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>>50760177
i was wondering the same thing granted im not sure they ever intended for it to run games

>>50760351
they're constantly marketing their product as a world computer but it cannot run multiplayer games. did Dom betray us?

>>50760177
>>50760351
>>50760524
there is literally multiplayer games running on it right now that work good

>>50760177
i don't care about icp but the notion of blockchain games writing to the blockchain often is just false. Even in normal databases you would probably start creating proxies to the database that would pool requests into transactions that hit the database. So you could technically do that on icp eth or any database.

>>50760603
i'm talking FPS games. shit where milliseconds matter. 2 seconds update is not gonna cut it.

>>50760787
why does a multiplayer game need to write to the blockchain faster than 2 seconds? Every keystroke isnt being sent in a transaction, nigger

>>50760787
The game doesnt do any transactions its just hosted by the nodes. When they do something dAppy like charging icp for a gun skin and making sure you own the gun skin, that would be where you see a 2sec hiccup. But it would be done during menus and before matches not during gameplay.

>>50760895
Games on the ICP shouldn't just be dumb nft shit. It should contain everything

>>50760177
R1b no longer

ICP is a scam and Moonman is a scammer.

>>50760177
https://vocaroo.com/19FUI2vM4VmL

>>50760177
>>50760524

see
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>>50761150
Makes me smile every time.

>>50760177
Games will use ICP as an asset/achievement/whatever else ledger, the time sensitive stuff like player location runs through a low latency server, no need to have that run on a blockchain... However some people did suggest specialized subnets for low latency so it'll probably be tested at some point, again it's unnecessary though

>>50760177
Just store saved games and everything on value on chain and host the heavy lifting on a normal server.

CHAMP > ICP

>>50760895
Based nigger

Keep stacking piss marines

Give me an app idea to build on ICP where it:

1. Benefits from being ICP.
2. Benefits from being on ICP over Ethereum.

By Vishnu, I build it sirs, even if Dominic has to approve every node. (I am not going to use fucking Motoko though)

>>50764172
Clash of clans or monkey balloon type game. Or recreate Pokémon. Or use like Pokémon light platinum rom hack and make it multiplayer enabled where even icp can be on the line for bets. Make a cansister specifically for mobile play as well similar to GBA4iOs or delta

>>50764172
Hell you could just recreate Pokémmo

it's physically impossible to run inputs through a consensus in real time because of the latency differences between servers

>>50764206
>>50764220

What's the benefit of it being on ICP? Not trolling.

>>50764172
host single player oldies like red alert 2, or OpenTTD

>>50764237
Smart contract based Pokémon match bets. Where you’ll actually win money playing someone if desired. Custom Pokémon nfts similar to what pokemmo marketplace does but you might get sued by Nintendo but pokemmo gets away with it.
Other than that just bragging rights. You won’t get rich off of it.
Clash of clans if done correctly you could get rich but you can’t make an exact replica just recreate that style of game with different type of characters

>>50764275
>>50764282

What's the advantage though? That I don't have to take a paypal payment? And instead of a kid figuring out how to snatch their mom's credit card, they need to figure out how to snatch it, register on an exchange, buy a stablecoin, and then trade it to ICP?

>>50764172
Or just recreate gba4ios in a cansister and then users can link there internet identity and pay with cycle to store roms and save states.
You won’t make money off of it though just would be a cool project to do

>>50764322
Idk dude you’re asking for ideas for a project. If you’re trying to make fucking money come up with your own idea faggot.

>>50764339
>>50764329

>If you’re trying to make fucking money come up with your own idea faggot.

Well, I am trying to find a use-case for ICP, really.

>>50764373
Blockchain based cloud hosting. For the most part you can pretty much make anything thats on the web and put it on ICP. So come up pretty much with any web application idea

>>50764275
Age of empires, civilization

>>50764423

Fuck, any time I ask in these threads, I realize that there is absolutely no reason to use ICP over throwing shit over into S3 / Azure Blob storage.

>>50764423
>>50764667

Or App Services / Lambda. Unless they come up with truly strong incentives for individuals to host servers AND compete on price.

>>50764685
What's your price comparison for AWS vs. IC?

>>50764760
>>50760177
>>50760351
>>50760524
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>>50760962
Over 50% of icp's initial supply was sold between 3 cents (half of that 50%), 63 cents (20% of that) and 1 dollars (30%). $8.4 is overvalued as fuck and it is entirely possible to dump below $1 and maybe even below not accounting for 10% yoy inflation.

Personally my price target is around, $1 or under to start buying

>>50764760

None - you can't run on ICP without getting special approval yet and a company cannot even begin to guess at price due to ICP being between $5 and $750.

In other words, any "pricing" for ICP is complete bullshit.

>>50764667
>>50764685
Yeah you can use azure, aws, what ever service you want. You’re data though won’t be cryptographically secure, won’t be able to create governance tokens for your applications, and any application you host can get taken down by bezos for any reason at anytime.
web 3 is a non centralized version of web 2. If you don’t know this then you don’t understand icp. Hell even dfinity created a whole new webstack for icp that I think is much easier to use than traditional stack.
Basically the users get to control the space rather than 5 centralized monopolies. There are many other use cases for icp, ex: spinner cash is a huge fucking deal.
If you can’t figure out what’s great about this tech then don’t use it but this is a great time for developers to come over.

>>50764801
Do you not understand cycles?

>>50764810

>You’re data though won’t be cryptographically secure

It will be secure to any standard imaginable, both in transit and at rest, you can also control your keys if you want.

>host can get taken down by bezos for any reason at anytime

Bezos or Dom, does it make a difference?

>Hell even dfinity created a whole new webstack for icp that I think is much easier to use than traditional stack.

Now I know you are talking out of your ass. Motoko is shit and no one uses Web Assembly for anything irl.

>Basically the users get to control the space rather than 5 centralized monopolies

This is appealing, if it actually worked out that way.

> you can’t figure out what’s great about this tech then don’t use it but this is a great time for developers to come over.

Right, and right now no one is convincing me.

>>50764839

I read "The Language of Computer Hardware and Software" when I was 12 too anon. Understanding cycles and why Big(O) is hardware independent isn't exactly rocket science.

>>50764887
I don’t think you know what cycles are.

>>50764871
Oh well don’t use the tech. Stop coming into icp threads asking for ideas then telling people who give you ideas what’s the use case you fucking faggot

>>50764915

Cycle - one execution of a machine instruction, a basic one, like binary addition / subtraction. Varies wildly depending on how good your hardware is.

>>50764938
Dude you’re a retard. Go find out what cycles are on the icp

>>50764801

What? Are you talking about running a site on AWS or nodes? So what they are approving nodes until the network is supported and strong enough to handle your collection of Raspberry Pis. Who gives a shit.

Building a site is a no brainer in cost and hosting data isn't even comparable. IC wins both.

>>50764871
>It will be secure to any standard imaginable, both in transit and at rest, you can also control your keys if you want.

Bezos owns all your keys and your crypto

>Bezos or Dom, does it make a difference?

Yes Dom can't shut down your site unilaterally

>Now I know you are talking out of your ass. Motoko is shit and no one uses Web Assembly for anything irl.

You can develop in Rust and Azle is going to support typescript.

>This is appealing, if it actually worked out that way.

That's exactly how the SNS will work and how the NNS does work.

>Right, and right now no one is convincing me.

Go back to the TG you whiny bitch

>>50764972

>As discussed in Tokens and cycles, ICP tokens can be converted into cycles to power canister operations. Cycles reflect the operational cost of communication, computation, and storage that dapps consume.

Wow, you are brilliant.

>>50765020

>Go back to the TG you whiny bitch

What's a TG? Trade general?

>Yes Dom can't shut down your site unilaterally

Neither can Bezos if you have failover to Gates or Brin.

>You can develop in Rust and Azle is going to support typescript.

Right, and I don't understand why they don't just go with Rust out of the box and bother with Motoko.

Thank you btw, this is actually good discussion.

>>50765027
Now go apply that new understanding to the comment where you state the fluctuation of price and hard on companies to start.
(Same guy off to get my dick sucked)