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>Facing Up to Scarcity offers a powerful critique of the nonconsequentialist approaches that have been dominant in Anglophone moral and political thought over the last fifty years. In these essays Barbara H. Fried examines the leading schools of contemporary nonconsequentialist thought, including Rawlsianism, Kantianism, libertarianism, and social contractarianism. In the realm of moral philosophy, she argues that nonconsequentialist theories grounded in the sanctity of "individual reasons" cannot solve the most important problems taken to be within their domain. Those problems, which arise from irreducible conflicts among legitimate (and often identical) individual interests, can be resolved only through large-scale interpersonal trade-offs of the sort that nonconsequentialism foundationally rejects. In addition to scrutinizing the internal logic of nonconsequentialist thought, Fried considers the disastrous social consequences when nonconsequentialist intuitions are allowed to
drive public policy. In the realm of political philosophy, she looks at the treatment of distributive justice in leading nonconsequentialist theories. Here one can design distributive schemes roughly along the lines of the outcomes favoured--but those outcomes are not logically entailed by the normative premises from which they are ostensibly derived, and some are extraordinarily strained interpretations of those premises. Fried concludes, as a result, that contemporary nonconsequentialist political philosophy has to date relied on weak justifications for some very strong conclusions.

I can't tell if it's just trying to sound smart or shes actually a genius

so basically nonconsequentialism (if i'm understanding it correctly after 2 minutes of Google research) is the ethical philosophy that says an action's goodness isn't necessarily determined by whether it is normatively positive for individuals. i.e. powerful people can hurt individuals or groups if it is for "the greater good"

ironically, Barb's son, Sam, is putting this philosophy into practice by screwing over thousands or millions of crypto holders by manipulating the entire market so that he can consolidate his control (via partnership with BlackRock, who are perhaps the premier example of nonconsequentialist theory-in-practice via their ESG philosophy), presumably then he will use his ill-gotten gains to engage in "effective altruism"

to me it reads like Malthusianism, or Chicago school neoliberal free market economics. this is a theoretical platform purpose-built to justify the abuse of the weak by the powerful. "your complaints about your rights being violated don't matter, because it's for The Greater Good"

incidentally it is fucking hilarious to me that SBF was raised by two high-powered Stanford lawyers. Probably groomed for the role he's playing since he went to Stanford experimental lab school for pre-K and they gave him brain enhancing biofeedback or whatever.

after doing 2 more minutes of research on nonconsequentialism i have determined that it is indeed an excuse to abuse the population by the rich because the rich know better than them, specifically it will be used to justify vaccinations, social credit scores, censorship, movement restrictions under the guise of carbon neutrality, pod living and bug eating

>Consequentialism is an ethical theory that judges whether or not something is right by what its consequences are. For instance, most people would agree that lying is wrong. But if telling a lie would help save a person's life, consequentialism says it's the right thing to do.

>>50750771
>>50750811
is the book not a criticism of that kind of thinking?

>>50750771
Jewry by any other name is still jewery. They see non jews as cattle to be ruled and exploited because the goy aren't real people.

>>50748092
PURE JEWRY

>>50750811
"The ends justify the means"
Basically, as other astute anons have already pointed out, we are dealing with the same old jewry as we always have

>>50750832
sounds like the book is about it being bad from a public policy point of view. naturally, the consequence of abandoning nonconsequentialism is the elevation of the individual motive over a nominally collective motive. this argument against nonconsequentialism isn't so much about its effects as it is about reasoning - how often are motives for personal enrichment and empowerment presented as a public good? arguably this has been happening for the entirety of human history, which presents a significant logical hurdle since so many systems of ethics implicitly or explicitly justify the powerful exerting their will over the meager "for their own good.". It's subtle, but Sam isn't collecting wealth for "the greater good", he's quite explicit about his wish to take money from others to implement what he personally believes is good. it's more honest than the usual nonconsequentialist fallacy that everyone wins when the powerful win. the reality is that for one vision to be imposed, other
visions must lose, and whether or not that is "good" depends on what the individual stands to lose or gain. there is no such thing as a "greater good" and the idea has always been used as a fallacy to justify policy

>>50749376
>trying to sound smart or shes actually a genius

idk it reads like that intellectual jargon upper class people churn out when trying to sound smart. I think it stems from their desire to cover up their class privilege as intelligence

then there's actual geniuses like richard feynman who always tried to read the room and make things accessible for others instead of circle jerking themselves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjHJ7FmV0M4

>>50750771
>>50750811
spot on
someone should really play minecraft with SBF
hey, it's for the greater good (unironically this time)

>>50748092
After studying the Abrahamic religions of the Middle East, Judaism has the only provision to look after oneself. Self preservation and sin doesn’t exist to them. As a concept it’s a Christian thing. Modern Academia was rooted in Christian moral thought. It’s not bad it’s just a different way of thinking.

>>50749376
>I can't tell if it's just trying to sound smart or shes actually a genius
none of those. it's just typical academic jargon that is too complicated for the low IQs to understand

>>50750771
>brain enhancing biofeedback
it's just called being raised by clever parents

>>50748092
AHHHHH IM GOONNNNNAA
HAVE NONCONSEQUENTIAIST THOUGHTS
AHHHHHUHHHHHH

>>50750771
>that says an action's goodness isn't necessarily determined by whether it is normatively positive for individuals
Nope, not even close.

>>50750771
>>50750811
You couldn't be more wrong.

>>50754191
>the consequence of abandoning nonconsequentialism is the elevation of the individual motive over a nominally collective motive
Literally the opposite, retard.

>>50754503
Imagine being this clueless and retarded.

>>50759090
>>50759110
>>50759138
>>50759164
>you're wrong, goy

>>50749376
aka utilitarian midwittery

>>50759090
>>50759110
>>50759138
>>50759164
This person is a jew, beware, you may call my schizo but I have an awakened kundalini and opened third eye and could sense it as I read the posts

>>50757772
>After studying the Abrahamic religions of the Middle East, Judaism has the only provision to look after oneself.
That's how I see it too. Christianity has no respect for the Individual, so its hard for me to take it seriously. Weak links make for a weak chain after all...

>>50750771
high iq

>>50759164
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>>50759090
4 posts and 4 rebuttals with no actual argument

>>50760957
like a page right out of the Talmud

>>50750771
You kinda have it backwards.

Nonconsequentialism is necessary for any higher values system. Whether that be a Christian view that certain actions are sinful and intrinsically bad even if they produce some positive utility, a Stoic view that you should accept things without judgement and live according to virtue, or the essentially Libertarian principle that was most highly represented by the founding fathers, that personal liberty is a right in itself not to be infringed upon for some idea of greater good.

Consequentialism is the rejection of all higher values and inherently measures only in terms of practical utility - whether that's utility to the ingroup, to society as a whole, or just to the individual.

Nonconsequentialism was used to justify some fucked up things: go forth and commit mass murder in the name of allah, and give your daughters to the prophet for his harem

Selfish utilitarianism was the default system and was also responsible for some horrors - Genghis Khan was maximizing his personal utility to the complete disregard of all higher values as he killed millions.

It wasn't until the industrial era and socialism that utilitarianism emerged as a form of consequentialism with some claim to moral righteousness.

Of course in a modern society there must be a balance between utilitarianism and higher values such as liberty.

This book seems to be maximum turbojewry, claiming that based on the state religion of scientific materialism, consequentialism and higher values cannot be tolerated and must be abolished for the sake of utilitarianism and the greater good.
Of course, the greater good is defined by the experts at the WEF and their governmental and corporate agencies, and even if they have to oppress and murder people to consolidate their power it's morally justified because once they abolish higher values and have total control they'll do what's for the greater good that they defined. It's the principle that justifies Chinese communism

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>>50760957
>reasoning logically makes you a Jew

>>50761709
i am jewish and youre just retarded

>>50761772
What "rebuttal" do you want, Shlomo? You don't know the meaning of a basic term. Instead of writing a nonsensical post, look it up next time.

https://law.stanford.edu/publications/?primary_author=Barbara%20Fried&page=1

>>50761850
Literally the meaning of nonconsequentialism is a moral system where value is determined by reasoning other that the value it generates for you/for society

Sam goes against this line of reasoning with the idea that he may use "unfair" means to take over crypto to shape the industry according to what is best for everyone: consequentialism in action

>>50754191 does get it kinda backwards but at least his moral sense is sound

The fact that you're defending both elitist fart-sniffing verbosity and the idea that consequentialism is good and for the people while nonconsequentialism is evil nazi oppression does not help your perception of Judaism

>>50761964
>Literally the meaning of nonconsequentialism is a moral system where value is determined by reasoning other that the value it generates for you/for society
Lol, no.

>Sam goes against this line of reasoning with the idea that he may use "unfair" means to take over crypto to shape the industry according to what is best for everyone: consequentialism in action
Meds.

>>50761964
>The fact that you're defending both elitist fart-sniffing verbosity and the idea that consequentialism is good and for the people while nonconsequentialism is evil nazi oppression does not help your perception of Judaism
WTF are you blathering about? Lol. You must be talking to the voices in your head.

>(((Fried)))
I literally don't need to know more : it's trash, perverted and demonic by virtue of jewishness. Simple as.

>>50761964
>elitist fart-sniffing verbosity
any specialty needs its own technical jargon, your plumber too. philosophical jargon only seems elitist because people aren't used to really think at that level

>>50761850
>You don't know the meaning of a basic term. Instead of writing a nonsensical post, look it up next time


>Here one can design distributive schemes roughly along the lines of the outcomes favoured--but those outcomes are not logically entailed by the normative premises from which they are ostensibly derived, and some are extraordinarily strained interpretations of those premises

Would you travel to the past and fuck Sam's mom in order to avoid Sam's birth?

>>50762209
Low IQ alert.

>>50762015
Ah, you're just a midwit trying to pretend to understand something you don't really get to feel smart.

My apologies for making you read all that!

>>50762163
Technical language can be used to clarify or to obfuscate. In this case, it's quite clearly being used to obfuscate so that midwits like Yk8OiRFh have to put so much effort into reading it they'll go along with it to make them feel smart despite the premise serving the most diabolical of ends

>>50762564
>Ah, you're just a midwit
Stopped reading here. Learn what the term means before talking shit, brainlet.

>>50762564
>In this case, it's quite clearly being used to obfuscate

>>50762564
the book's target audience isn't the non-intellectual pleb.

>>50762224
maybe it's because im a STEM fag so when I read something like

>that contemporary nonconsequentialist political philosophy has to date relied on weak justifications for some very strong conclusions

I laugh because if I ever wrote that in an email I would look retarded I would just say:
>it's bullshit

>>50762707
>hours of pilpul countered by a few minutes of autistic scrutiny
this is why the jew fears the STEM fag

>>50762707
Sure, but you can't just call an opposing position "bullshit" in an academic paper and walk away. That applies in STEM and any other subject.

>>50762777
Back to plebbit, stemtranny.

>>50762784
Academic papers don't host arguments.

STEM papers present evidence and draw conclusions. This is a book intended for midwit laypeople like yourself who clearly aren't intelligent enough to be comfortable using philosophical jargon, but enjoy reading it and blindly going along with it all to feel smarter by association.

his father interviewing the ripple ceo. the plot thickens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiq2w7fCVZI

>>50762964
HAHAHAHA you have no clue what you're talking about.

>Academic papers don't host arguments.
That's exactly what they do.

>STEM papers present evidence and draw conclusions.
What do you think an argument is, retard?

>This is a book intended for midwit laypeople like yourself who clearly aren't intelligent enough to be comfortable using philosophical jargon, but enjoy reading it and blindly going along with it all to feel smarter by association.
LOL, I double-majored in mathematics and philosophy and I have a PHD in mathematics from a top 10 university. I haven't read the book but the excerpts posted in this thread are perfectly comprehensible to nonretards. Sorry you never graduated high school.

>>50763067
>the excerpts posted in this thread are perfectly comprehensible to nonretards
it’s a communist apology and an excuse for kike subverters to feel morally justified to screw the goyhm
>why robbing and enslaving the goy is good for the world

>>50764470
Low IQ detected.

>>50749376

thats a real long winded way of saying shes a retarded communist

>>50764483
COMMUNIST APOLOGY

>>50748092
OY VEYYYYYYYYYYY
Jews banished from kingdoms: You can help expand this list

>>50764627
>COMMUNIST APOLOGY

>>50748092
Clearly addressing several schools of philosophical thought from a programmatic and post-formal perspective.
Although it does sound preachy, I will now read your book.

a low for heroku gpt3 bot threads

>>50762564
why?
>Yk8OiRFh

>>50749376
>If 2 people want the same thing and they can't both have it that's bad for at least one of them.
>therefore all these previous philosophers are dumb
Is this what modern philosophy is like or is it just being a woman?

>>50750771
First google search shows it's actually the opposite of your post.
>Nonconsequentialism is a type of normative ethical theory that denies that the rightness or wrongness of our conduct is determined solely by the goodness or badness of the consequences of our acts or of the rules to which those acts conform

>>50764983
Not remotely what was said.

>>50748092
Thanks, I just pirated it. I won't read that shit though

>>50765097
>she argues that nonconsequentialist theories grounded in the sanctity of "individual reasons" cannot solve the most important problems taken to be within their domain. Those problems, which arise from irreducible conflicts among legitimate (and often identical) individual interests, can be resolved only through large-scale interpersonal trade-offs of the sort that nonconsequentialism foundationally rejects
You are a retard. QED

>>50765154
I actually understand English. You appear not to.

>>50765204
so better summarize the idea she is stating here then faggot.
sounds like anon had it correct.

>>50765365
Rejecting consequentialism entails rejecting society-wide interpersonal trade-offs, without the use of which equally legitimate yet conflicting individual interests cannot be reconciled.

>>50765417
Just say you're a statist. No need for semantics.
>Verification not required.

>>50765437
Are you retarded? Neither the cited quotation nor I in this thread have said anything about "statism". Capitalism, and indeed the entire field of economics, is purely consequentialist. This is what happens when low-IQ people try to read books rated above the 5th grade level.

>>50765417
black white nigga.
Rejecting consequentialism entails rejecting society-wide interpersonal trade-offs why?

>>50765485
Read the book. By the way, since no one else in this thread has demonstrated even a rudimentary grasp of the concept of consequentialism, here is what it means:

>Consequentialism, as its name suggests, is simply the view that normative properties depend only on consequences. This historically important and still popular theory embodies the basic intuition that what is best or right is whatever makes the world best in the future, because we cannot change the past, so worrying about the past is no more useful than crying over spilled milk. This general approach can be applied at different levels to different normative properties of different kinds of things, but the most prominent example is probably consequentialism about the moral rightness of acts, which holds that whether an act is morally right depends only on the consequences of that act or of something related to that act, such as the motive behind the act or a general rule requiring acts of the same kind.

>>50754503

Your criticism is retarded because the audience of the book is other academics, not some dumb fuck that happened upon it on the internet and doesn't like the big words

>>50765484
So then what form of society-wide interpersonal trade-offs are you condoning? Why not allow the individuals to compete or come to their own terms of agreement in their pursuit of individual interests when scarcity is the issue?

>>50765582
>So then what form of society-wide interpersonal trade-offs are you condoning?
I'm not condoning anything. I didn't write the book nor have I even read it. You will have to read the book if you want to understand the details of the author's line of argument.

>Why not allow the individuals to compete or come to their own terms of agreement in their pursuit of individual interests when scarcity is the issue?
You are so seriously off in left field relative to the topic at hand. Consequentialism or its negation have zero implications regarding substantive political or economic issues. It is a meta-ethical theory on how normative claims are justified, not a normative claim itself.

>>50765643
Oh 22 posts is a lot for shitposting in a thread like this. Guess I took the bait, so have one final (You)

>>50765484
>Neither the cited quotation nor I in this thread have said anything about "statism"
But you are and we know it

>>50766387
Nice projection, mongoloid.

>>50748092
Lemme guess
>Thoughtcrimes of the Cattle

>>50766843
What’s your political and economical orientation?

You all are a bunch of fags in here mentally masturbating each other it’s laughable

Get some pussy touch some grass

Unironically

there 2 moral frameworks that ethical theories fall under, consequentialist and deontological

consequentialism puts value on the end result, while deontology's put the value in the action itself

only the most out-of-touch people (academics) think morality can be reduced to pure consequentialist or pure deontological theories, they are both indispensable to both individuals and institutions

>>50766914
>23 posts of pseudo-philosophical masturbation while calling "low iq" anyone that can read between the lines
>smells like a statist commie from a thousand miles
>kvetch uncontrollably when people call him a statist commie
>"noooo i got a PhD in philosophical masturbation, being a statist commie is not a topic of the conversation, nor i mentioned it anywhere, it's totally unrelated to this discussion"
>narrator: he was a statist commie

>>50749376
Its just another structuralist hegel fuck for power for fags. It is a slippery slope but if you fall down with it your son will be gay. The OG nonconsequentialists will say "whatever retard" and not get their knickers in a not like Jordan "Daughter Question" Peterson

>>50750811
Excellent. I liked your observations but you should have gotten as much from the fucking blurb in OP. It's essentially a strawman against people who don't eat bugs / suck cocks. You vill eat the bugs or you vill be the bad gUy.

>>50764983
I think its a "we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, we know they know we know they're lying" kinda moment. They just churn out the globohomo discourse so that even when you're trying to do research on Jstor et al you cannot escape it. Undergrads eat it up and get indoctrinated. Is it really not obvious? I'm a research assistant now and they say "coomyewnist" instead of "communist" because it doesn't trigger the undergrads natural defense against genocide and mass murder when they want to shill globohomo shit.

>>50767993
Oh and about the 'we know they know' etc. OP's subject is like a refutation of praxeology, which the marxists try over and over again. Because human will is antithetical to communism. But while you have humans you will always have human will. That's why it's always a fucking bloody shitshow.

Meanwhile they hired me and I'm completely btfoing globohomoshit in such a way that goes way over their fucking heads and they don't get it. And I'm churning out 10k words of political research essays every month.

Some of the dumbest shit ive ever glanced over.

You are all retards.

>>50768005
>I work in academia
I'm not buying it. There is no way you could hide your power level from these people. Not unless you are some kind of minority.

>born vagina
>thought
>pick one

>>50768886

Millennials:
>need books and videos to learn body language
>hang shit on their body
>tattoos everywhere
>dress retard
>talk retard
>write even more retard
Thefucks with these meaningless ugly neologisms like
>nonconsequentialists
It's all so inconsequential.
Really, really, dumb motherfuckers.
Universities in this century are a disease.

>>50767993
>and they say "coomyewnist" instead of "communist"
wut

>>50748092
A bunch of gobbledygook bullshit. But good on her fleecing retards for $70 a pop.

>>50769097
I studied political science and history at university.
I now work in customer service.
You can call me lazy and not ambitious or just misguided. I’m intelligent but I chose the spiritually and financially wrong thing to do for university but I couldn’t have known at the time. Economics school or even a finance degree would have been the better option. Politics is somewhat predetermined by the way, has been for many decades before Trump. I wasn’t at university for his tenure to study why he was elected but his election probably set political discourse up to discuss the political marketing industry being a huge game changer in the space.

>>50761251
This it’s Jewish excuse making.

>>50749376
This is why philosophy is horseshit. Life isn’t that complicated. This whole blurb could easily be cut in half and in more readable language. Philosophy is just people using a thesaurus.

>>50771398
>I studied political science and history at university.
>I now work in customer service.
Same, but I majored in making 3Dart for video games. At least I make 92k a year working less than 20 hours a week max so I'm probably better off doing this at home then selling my soul to work for a game studio for half that pay.

>>50773239
Yeah I’ve heard the industry for 3dart is all just ad hoc. You ever thought about being an in house graphic/digital designer? Stable job but probably have to be a corporate gig with not a lot of creativity involved.

>>50749376
im dumb as fuck and this just sounded like "you're gonna have to eat ze bugs and own nothing for the greater good"

>>50765484
>Capitalism
>consequentialist
Don't take the word "consequentialist" literally. People who practice the mysticism of historical dialectics decide what words mean each time they write something. This has been a long time coming with Chumpsky et al.

all jews are Bolsheviks but especially your secular jews in the US.

>>50769832
They're trying to trick zoomies into supporting communist by subconsciously associating it with cooming which they are all addicted to

>>50750771
Kantian, Rawlsian deontological ethics means do your job first and ask questions later. decisions are driven by duty, integrity and responsibility to the greater ideal behind the human condition. ESG is not the social contract described in leviathan, which states humans willingly sacrifice and forfeit their civil liberties to maintain the existing social state as long as the state isn't directly threatening their subjects with torture, violence and death. ESG is the antithesis of enlightenment idealist economic institutions

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>>50776638
Ah, this midwit is back to post more pictures showing his extremely lacking mental state while failing to string together a coherent thought or even understand the terminology on a high enough level to communicate with other posters.

Tell me anon, did you touch grass since yesterday? Even for a minute? You didn't, did you?

>>50776668
>using logic means you're a midwit!

>>50776638

>>50748092