/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50615853
DUDE IT'S THE GREAT RESET

Rent an electric pod/car

>>50615853
Learn to walk, lardass.

>>50615853
you will load up on ze bugs and you will peddle on your bicycle to work

>>50615853
you vill work from ze pod, BUT you will have to have eye tracking/key logging software installed so they know you're not slacking off

Warning! Your scheduled Uber RideShare arrives in 10 minutes. Please ensure that you are Vax-boosted before boarding.

>>50615853
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrEUzKTt7j0

And you will be happy

>>50615853
u will be born in to it
it will mold you
u will become part of it
u will become one

>>50615853
SO when do we tell these guys to shut the fuck up?

>>50615967
Bicycles are wasteful and selfish. You can also go anywhere with a bicycle.
No, you vill ride ze bus and be happy.

>>50615853
if you're working a white collar job stop commuting to work. the covid remote work revolution was the perfect opportunity to massively curtain the nigger cattle daily commute, but now it's going the other way. filthy kike executives are demanding wagies go back to the cagie to pump their commercial real estate holdings. goyslop eateries are crying anuddah shoah to local jewish government because not enough wagies are eating their $15 sandwiches or $23 salads. sad!

You will buy the bugs

>>50615853
For me it's the so.ymobil

Vhat a zilly queztion
You vill take ze state kontrolled transportation ofc

Or ze electric vehicle vith ze state installed monitoring and kill switch program inztalled

>>50616162
Powered by Chainlink™

There's a massive subreddit called /r/FUCKCARS that wants to ban cars.

There's also popular youtubers like Adam Sonething that want to ban cars and think free markets are evil.

>>50616284
When did the Reddit come into existence or see a massive spike in activity?

>>50616428
When bots became popular.

>>50615853
on cuckbike ofc

>>50615853
>You vill walk or take ze bike.

>>50616428
I don't know but I feel the timeline started to shift about ten years ago, there's now a critical mass of mentally ill chronically online people that band with each other and bots and every single website feels kind of a shitty eco chamber, including this one.

You vill eat ze realmeat° and be happy. Realmeat is a succulent delicacy with many health benefits, which contains 100% recycled , foodgrade protein. *Verified by snopes

>>50615853
You will live in ze pod inside your factory

>>50615853
Honestly, once cars are fully autonomous and they're in abundance, I have zero problem not owning a car. As long as they're generally available and ubiquitous then its probably a better deal.

>>50616837
Is the factory Amazon?

>>50616103
Based Bill

>>50616859
Shut up and die fgt.

>>50615853
this will end in minecraft

>>50616859
>and they're in abundance
They won't be, they'll cost more than it costs to drive right now and that's the point. the world WEF want to make is one where any money you make in a month is drained by the end of the month. You rent your clothes, your transportation, your home, your furniture everything. You won't have any saving and having any will be pointless since you literally can't afford to by anything even if you wanted to.

>>50615853
rather than getting mad at some random stupid shit the WEF comes up with you should get mad that car companies are increasingly colluding to become terrible. BMW and the payed subscription of heated seats for example

>>50616945
this.
At first, there will be plenty of shared cars, but once everyone is using them, the pool will be thinned out over time to save the environment™

anduvil IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT ZE BUCKZ
anduvil LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII VINAPOT
anduvil OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN NUTING

>>50616154
Don't forget the assort local big city government types who are scared of losing the property tax revenue from no longer needed office buildings. Or from WFH types fucking off to cheaper locations.

>>50615853
zzz bugzz zwill comezzz too youzzz

>>50615966
There be a fine if I do sir.

I literally don't give a shit.
I'd eat bugs
If public transport was better I'd take it everywhere
Highways are ugly, cars are dangerous, exhaust fumes are disgusting
The environment is of vital importance and the world could definitely use more green

I just wish this shit wasnt peddled by a bunch of globalist liberals
I want all of those things and a white homeland too

>>50618210
JAYWALKER RIGHTS NOW!
DEFUND THE POLICE!

>>50615853

>>50616284
Free market doesn't even exist bruv
>inb4 lolbert
Banks pump their favorite goytoys with infinite bux thus nullifying any concept of """free market"""

The only free market is the black market / uncounted economy and cash.

You VILL buy ze digital assets
You VILL reject ze dark economy
You VILL submit your privacy
You VILL embrace everything Reddit is

>>50618289
Basically this
It's the greediest people leading the charge and promoting social change.

Imagine owning nothing not because it's environmentally friendly, but because the people promoting it doesn't apply to themselves

>>50615853
That's the fun part. You don't.
You and I are the carbon they want to "reduce". All the while creating more emissions in their private jet trip to tell you this than you'll make in a year of driving your car.
The answer (as in countless times throughout history) is rope for them, and a technological solution for the environment. We can easily launch a solar shade or some other stop-gap to repair things if it gets to that point.

Some of the CO2 emission reduction ideas include nutso things like eliminating concrete and dropping world shipping to zero (see absolute zero 2050 if you want the know the real plan). I really don't have positive things to say about the WEF any more, They're basically an IRL bond villan hell bent on depopulation and Neo-feudalism.

Fully owning something doesn't generate cashflow, which is bad for their assets. Everything will turn into a rental system. You will own nothing and be happy. You will pay 80% taxes. You will eat the bugs. You will be happy.

>>50616859
you’ll be forced to carpool with niggers. sure you’ll enjoy that!

>>50615853
You first.

>>50616103
>you will have the documents
>you will disobey globalists
It’s almost as if right wing libertarians are a contradiction.

>>50620217
Right wing Libertarians are the only consistent ones.
There is no such thing as a left wing Libertarian.
It's funny that we stole the name back from authoritarian socialists that think enforced collectivism is good and all hierarchies should be banned by the state.
All "ancoms" are friends with tankies and sympathize with them.
Take Noam Chomsky and Vaush for example.

>>50616144
I will minecraft anyone who says I need a permit/RFID etc for my bike.

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if these fuckers started entering the cycling realm with all this bullshit

Who builds their roads, railways and infrastructure? Big fucking projects in remote places etc. Like everyone will have to get the banana bus to work.
Ain’t happening any time soon.
They are in fucking dreamland these cunts. Absolutely bonkers.
Fuck right off

>>50618289
>I'd eat bugs
kys

>>50615853
Uber tricycle.

>>50615853
>You vill valk and you vill be happy!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
How am I gonna have hecking freedom without a car! THIS IS COMMUNISM!!!!
>*$700 loan payment to the bank each month*
>*pays $150 on insurance each month*
>*pays $300 on gas each month*
>*pays $50 on parking each month *
>Dies in a car crash because lol drunk driver*

>>50615853
Why won't this fucker die already?

>>50620447
>It's funny that we stole the name back from authoritarian socialists that think enforced collectivism is good
Everything is enforced, individualism is enforced, you can't have a non-enforced political system, this is meaningless.

>and all hierarchies should be banned by the state.
The state is a separate organization, apart from the rest of the population, that enforces things. Hierarchies would be banned in an anarchist society but it would not be a "state" doing it.

>Take Noam Chomsky
Noam Chomsky has vehemently criticized the Soviet Union his entire life, and tankies despise him.

>>50620997
>Everything is enforced, individualism is enforced
Sure. I should have used the term voluntary and involuntary. Leftists want authoritarianism and for things to be involuntary.

>Hierarchies would be banned in an anarchist society but it would not be a "state" doing it.
This would be the state. "an"coms pretend their community patrols or whatever are not the state, but they clearly are. These people are fucking delusional and should be fought against violently.
If you want to use violence against people participating in a voluntary hierarchy, you are authoritarian. It's very simple.

>Noam Chomsky has vehemently criticized the Soviet Union his entire life, and tankies despise him.
FUCKING LMFAO
So what? He's worshipped authoritarian socialist regimes. He denied the cambodian genocide. He met with hugo chavez.
I can't wait for this old authoritarian piece of shit to finally die.
He is a compulsive liar.
https://jim.com/chomsdis.htm

>>50618210
Jaywalking is a made-up "crime" made up by the automotive industry, you tard. People used to walk back and forth across the street all the time until cars started showing up and hitting them, and in an effort to shift the blame onto the victims rather than the car owner, they called it jaywalking (jay, meaning a dumb person) and lobbied to have it criminalized. I thought you guys were all about calling out fake made-up crimes.

>>50620997
also, chomsky AND vaush both said the unvaccinated should be removed from society through force

lmao how the fuck do people still think they are anarchists? They're not.

>>50615853
You will live onsite in corporate dormitories. The cost of shelter will be deducted from your weekly carbon allotment.

>>50620881
all cheaper and provide more utility than "public transportation that is much slower and doesnt get me where i need to go

Haven't you noticed? Your home is becoming your wage cage. You might think "WFH" stands for "work from home", but it actually stands for "wage from home".

>>50621151
>I thought you guys were all about calling out fake made-up crimes.
Since when? No, no, no.. we're all a bunch of jays here.

>>50621140
>Sure. I should have used the term voluntary and involuntary.
You shouldn't have, because those terms are just as useless.

>This would be the state.
Incorrect. The state isn't just "when anything violent happens".

>If you want to use violence against people participating in a voluntary hierarchy, you are authoritarian.
There's that useless word again, "voluntary".

>https://jim.com/chomsdis.htm
>certificate error
not clicking that shit nigga

>>50621140
>Leftists want authoritarianism and for things to be involuntary.
FUCKING LMFAO

>>50621185
>BUS DONT GO TO SHART MART AT 3 AM
>THIS IS CLEARLY GOMMUNISM
>CHECKMATE, LIBS

>>50621167
The funny thing is that the younger generations will actually love this. It's like college dorms all over again. They will structure it in such a way that it becomes appealing.

>>50620447
>hasn’t ascended
Only after you grow up and see that politics is professional wrestling for brainwashed adults, can you be liberated.

Fly private

>>50621151
Because people were walking out in front of cars and getting hit. There were no crosswalks or walk signs/signals and people were just walking out into the road with oncoming traffic. Dumb may be an applicable term if you have to be convinced not to walk in front of an oncoming car under threat of fine or jail.

>>50621167
>live in oligarch cockroach motel high rise
>go downstairs to oligarch cockroach motel businesses
>grocery store and bank also owned by cockroach oligarchs
>if required to go further, ride cockroach public metro

You vill eat ze balut unt you vill zike it.

>>50621279
>because those terms are just as useless.
No they aren't. I guess you're just too stupid to understand basic concepts like this. I guess to you, buying an apple from a farmer is just as voluntary as the government locking you in a cage for no reason.

>The state isn't just "when anything violent happens".
I never implied that. The state is a monopoly on law. An "an"com society would have a monopoly on law and that law would use violence against people engaging in voluntary behavior.

>There's that useless word again, "voluntary".
You can keep crying about reality but you're going to be in a world of hurt when people rise up to kill you people for trying to enslave them.
Left wing anarchists are just statists.

>not clicking that shit nigga
okay pussy here's another
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/250chomskylies.pdf
https://cupdf.com/document/top-200-chomsky-lies.html

>>50621287
lmao imagine seething over reality
go live in north korea, china or cuba if you hate voluntarism so much

>>50621151
>t retard from fly over vill

>>50621306
you're actually cheering over the fact people's choices are restricted and their living standards have been reduced

lmao what a fucking cuckold

I'm not living in the pod or eating bugs, cry about it.

>>50621458
>I guess to you, buying an apple from a farmer
I can't have the apple. I have to buy it. This is involuntary.

>is just as voluntary as the government locking you in a cage for no reason.
This is also involuntary, but I would dislike it more. This is just an emotional appeal.

>The state is a monopoly on law.
The state is a SINGLE ENTITY with a monopoly on law.

>okay pussy here's another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxhT9EVj9Kk

Ignore bunkertrannies
Stop replying to bunkertrannies
sage bunkertranny threads
>no feedback

>>50621542
>I can't have the apple. I have to buy it. This is involuntary.
Ah so you're an egoist retard that thinks everyone should be his slave. Got it.
When people say "voluntary" they mean it respects individual rights. Stealing the apple would interfere with the individual rights of the farmer.

>The state is a SINGLE ENTITY with a monopoly on law.
Yep and this is what happened in every example of "anarcho-communism" in history, including catalonia.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxhT9EVj9Kk
How does this refute anything I posted?
The guy was an authoritarian hypocritical liar. He cheerleads the state whenever it does things he likes. He advocates state socialism. He advocated removing the unvaxxed from society using force.

Are you actually a chomsky fan? How fucking embarrassing to worship the people enslaving you like that. IMAGINE worshipping the state.

Don’t tell me you wouldn’t eat this

If you are a socialist, you are not an anarchist.
You need a state to enforce collectivism. Never in the history of humanity has a stateless society been collectivist.
It makes literally zero sense.

>>50616154
Living alone in UK in a flat with no pets, balcony or air conditioning, and a long distance relationship. WFH was miserable, I can't do it more than 2-3 days a week.

>>50621595
>When people say "voluntary" they mean it respects individual rights.
There you go, I have an individual right to vote on the apple farming policy in my commune. Thank you for seeing things through, comrade.

>Yep and this is what happened in every example of "anarcho-communism" in history, including catalonia.
You got me there, ancap, coming from the only ideology even more fictitious than anarcho communism.
>inb4 he posts a list of historical "ancap" societies which in reality were soaked in violence and theft


>He advocated removing the unvaxxed from society using force.
>town of proprietors kicks someone off of all of their properties
>OMG FREEEDOM
>commune votes to exclude someone
>NOOOO MUHPRESSION!!!!!

Ignore bunkertrannies
Stop replying to bunkertrannies
sage bunkertranny threads
>no feedback

>>50621676
>I have an individual right to vote on the apple farming policy in my commune.
Sure, if you actually own that commune with your cock-cage enjoying comrades.
You don't have the right to steal the work of others.

>Thank you for seeing things through, comrade.
All communists deserve helicopter rides.

>You got me there, ancap
Of course I did.
These places were all authoritarian shitholes with barely any production.
https://reaction.la/cat/serf.htm

>the only ideology even more fictitious
KEK
Then why did it exist countless times for many years and was extremely successful? Imagine crying over this fact.
Examples:
French Acadia
American Midwest during 1800s.
Cospaia 400 years
Free Frisia 700 years
Neutral Moresnet 100 years
Ancient Ireland 2000 years
Medieval Iceland 400 years
African Tribes using the Xeer legal system to this day
The San
Zomia current day population: 150 million
Cheran Mexico current day

>which in reality were soaked in violence and theft
lmfao what kind of cope is this? The exact opposite happened. Read a book.
https://www.amazon.com/Not-So-Wild-West-Property/dp/0804748543
https://mises.org/library/not-so-wild-wild-west

>>commune votes to exclude someone
>NOOOO MUHPRESSION!!!!!
I'm not even against this in theory. Hoppe's version of physical removal makes a lot of sense, the difference is that it would rarely happen, certainly not for something as minor as not taking the vax.
Chomsky advocates the STATE force the unvaxxed off their own properties and into containment facilities or something.
It isn't surprising because chomsky has advocated state violence countless times before and denied the cambodian genocide.

You people are a fucking clown show.
I'd have much more respect for you bootlickers if you just admitted you were authoritarians like the tankies do.

>>50615853
You have the right to remain unemployed. Anything you say on social media can be used against you in work. You have the right to have your own wagiecagie™ installed in your home. If you cannot afford a wagiecagie™, one will be assigned to you when employment begins if you wish. If you decide enter employment now without a wagiecagie™ present, you do not have the right to stop working at any time.

>>50621811
>Sure, if you actually own that commune with your cock-cage enjoying comrades.
>you really do have the right to vote on everything if you actually do live in anarcho-communism
T-thanks...?

>You don't have the right to steal the work of others.
Of course.

>Then why did it exist countless times for many years and was extremely successful? Imagine crying over this fact.
Oh look, I called it.

>lmfao what kind of cope is this? The exact opposite happened.
lol
lmao

>the difference is that it would rarely happen, certainly not for something as minor as not taking the vax.
>ancapistan is when most people are forgiving about vaccines

>Chomsky advocates the STATE force the unvaxxed off their own properties and into containment facilities or something.
Lol I'm rewatching what he said and he said nothing of the sort.

>I'd have much more respect for you bootlickers if you just admitted you were authoritarians like the tankies do.
There are no non-authoritarian societies.

>tfw run a car rental business
>realise this is actually a good thing (for me)
You will rent the old corolla and you will be happy
And no, the AC does not work

>>50615853
You von't. You vill get up, brush ze teeth, then vork from ze pod.

>>50621971
>>you really do have the right to vote on everything if you actually do live in anarcho-communism
You have the right to do this now if you own the property. In fact shitty communes exist in the western world where naive communist idiots vote on everything. The thing is though, they are very poor because communism is inefficient and worker co-ops are trash at production.

>Of course.
Yes and this includes the profit that businesses make from hiring working and selling the products that are made.

>Oh look, I called it.
You called the fact you would get BTFO? Good job I guess.

>lol
>lmao
LOL
LMAO

It's like you're afraid to actually look these examples up or something, typical religious cultist behavior. These places were/are quite peaceful, far more peaceful than states are.

>>ancapistan is when most people are forgiving about vaccines
Not sure what you're getting at here. I just think you had to post something, anything. You aren't even countering any of my points here, I only see pure cope.

>I'm rewatching what he said and he said nothing of the sort.
Wrong.
Why are you defending this authoritarian state worshipper?
I'm sorry to pop your cherry on this but chomsky is an authoritarian barbaric animal. It's time to grow up.
Read something for once in your life.
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/250chomskylies.pdf
https://cupdf.com/document/top-200-chomsky-lies.html

>There are no non-authoritarian societies.
This isn't true and even if it was, shouldn't the goal be to reduce authoritarianism as much as possible? You're implying north korea is just as authoritarian as Switzerland.

i'll minecraft anyone who dares to touch my straight 6

>>50622120
>You have the right to do this now if you own the property. In fact shitty communes exist in the western world where naive communist idiots vote on everything.
>be a worker
>own nothing
>work for a capitalist
>be poor
>try to form a commune
>still own nothing
>still be poor
whoops, it looks like revolution's necessary

>Yes and this includes the profit that businesses make from hiring working and selling the products that are made.
No, but nice try.

>You called the fact you would get BTFO? Good job I guess.
Yes, I called that I would get BTFO by historical revisionism.

>Wrong.
>Your ears are wrong listening to what he said because of my PDFs
whatever retard

>This isn't true and even if it was, shouldn't the goal be to reduce authoritarianism as much as possible?
My goal is to distribute authority evenly

>>50615853
Guillotines motherfucker
Guillotines

its time to end all this wasteful broadcasting of retard fuckhead personal opinions

>>50618210
Land of the free
>No you CANT CROSS THE ROAD ON YOUR OWN, THATS DANGEROUS
>That'll be $19.99 plus $29.99 tip
>Do you want a free AR15 with your litre of cola sir?

>>50622207
>>try to form a commune
>>still own nothing
You're poor because you're fucking stupid and a communist. Communism wouldn't increase your living standards whatsoever. You're literally crying about a one time 5-8% (typical profit margins)increase in monetary gains for the workers, ALL of which would get eaten by by price increases anyway. You'd advocate totalitarianism because you think you're going to get this tiny increase in living standards even though you simply won't. The workers ALREADY receive the full product of their labor. They receive virtually all of the consumer goods and services in the economy. What more can you get than virtually everything? Stop confusing money with resources.

>whoops, it looks like revolution's necessary
Fuck around and find out bootlicker.
Remember the right wing owns almost all the guns in this country and wouldn't hesitate to slaughter you if you tried to enslave them.

>No, but nice try.
Yes and nothing you can say will refute this. You don't get to steal from people just because they have produced more than you. The labor theory of value was refuted by bohm bawerk ages ago.

>historical revisionism.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Holy fucking COPE LMAO
So countless books written about these areas are just "historical revisionism" because they make your feelings hurt? You truly are a religious cultist. Just kill yourself already.

>whatever retard
You're calling me a retard because you're scared to read the over 250 lies chomsky has stated. You're too scared to read how much of an authoritarian cocksucker he is. He literally meets dictators that caused mass suffering and praised them. He supports extreme levels of government control over our lives.
Don't want to read? Fine.
Watch this short clip.
https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1659050946139485.webm

>distribute authority evenly
That's literally impossible. Your goal is to enslave others because they produced more resources than you.
You're a parasite that must be physically removed.

>>50622311
not Guillotines, helicopters!

>>50622401
>You're literally crying about a one time 5-8% (typical profit margins)increase in monetary gains for the workers,
Context or data for this figure?

>Stop confusing money with resources.
Where was I doing that?

>Yes and nothing you can say will refute this. You don't get to steal from people just because they have produced more than you.
>own land
>rent it to farmers
>the land grows 50,000 units of wheat
>half of the revenue goes to profits
>each stupid farmer can only individually grow 500 units
>feel good about working 50x harder than the farmers
all in a good day's work

>So countless books written about these areas are just "historical revisionism" because they make your feelings hurt? You truly are a religious cultist. Just kill yourself already.
Countless books have been written about the USSR, China, south american banana republics, nazi germany, ancient despotic societies, all containing positive opinions about them that you wouldn't like.

>Watch this short clip.
Most of the stuff in that clip was either based or correct on a technicality.

>>50622540
>Context or data for this figure?
>https://www.brex.com/blog/what-is-a-good-profit-margin/
>An NYU report on U.S. margins revealed the average net profit margin is 7.71% across different industries.
So lets say the labor theory of value was true(it's not, bohm bawerk and time preference theory refuted it) the most the capitalists are taking from you is around 7.71% a year.
KEK How much resources did you think they are taking from you?
Leftists delusionally think once they took over the means of production, they would each get a trillion dollars or some shit.
Pic related is actually how dumb leftists are.
>Where was I doing that?
It's what you are doing subconsciously. You see money the capitalists are saving and assume it can be magically converted into consumer goods for the working class without affecting prices or the supply of existing goods(which 99% of which are all going to the workers anyway).

>>own land
How would you have gotten this land in the first place? In a free market, you have to homestead it or buy it from someone.

>>feel good about working 50x harder than the farmers
Brainlet, the work was done prior to this. Working to save wealth to purchase the land in the first place is obviously work.
The vast majority of capitalists were previously workers who saved and invested. You think underconsumption and planning the structure of production isn't work? Of course not, you'd rather consume any wealth you get immediately and not make society better off.

>>50622540
>Countless books have been written about the USSR
Sure and many other books have been written to counter those books and now we have a general historical consensus that the USSR was bad.
Where are the books critiquing the areas I mentioned? They don't exist.
Are you claiming all of the authors who wrote books on french acadia and the american midwest are all liars? Pretty big claim.
Where is your PROOF?
Face the facts, the majority of times statelessness was tried in history, it was MARKET BASED and CAPITALIST.

>Most of the stuff in that clip was either based
So you're defending the cambodian genocide, you think jordan peterson is literally hitler and you think working at a warehouse 40 hours a week is far worse than being genocided by stalin?
All communists are brainlets that enjoy being enslaved, no exceptions.

>>50622664
>You see money the capitalists are saving and assume it can be magically converted into consumer goods for the working class without affecting prices or the supply of existing goods(which 99% of which are all going to the workers anyway).
I wasn't though, I was thinking about factories and land and mines and shit. You seem to be the one talking in monetary terms (profit margins and the like)

>How would you have gotten this land in the first place?
Inheriting it from a long line that originated in medieval conquest or early modern enclosure

>Brainlet, the work was done prior to this. Working to save wealth to purchase the land in the first place is obviously work.
Beyond a certain point it's impossible to work a gorillion times harder than everyone, and most wealth is inherited (which shouldn't be allowed). Also this isn't how markets work. The standard oil monopoly got like $600 billion, but that was not reflective of how much labor it took to acquire that monopoly.
>inb4 "real muhnopolies are impossible" nonsense

>You think underconsumption and planning the structure of production isn't work?
The big capitalists have employees that plan everything

>>50622687
>Where are the books critiquing the areas I mentioned? They don't exist.
lulz

>Face the facts, the majority of times statelessness was tried in history, it was MARKET BASED and CAPITALIST.
for the majority of the 100,000 year long existence of humanity, all societies were stateless and non-market based

>So you're defending the cambodian genocide, you think jordan peterson is literally hitler and you think working at a warehouse 40 hours a week is far worse than being genocided by stalin?
Holy shit, your command of the english language is atrocious

>>50622858
>I wasn't though,
Doubt.
Leftists do this constantly, I see it all the time.
>I was thinking about factories
The purpose of factories is production for the wants of individuals. At the end of the day, the goal of taking over the factories is getting more STUFF from your work. Well you aren't going to get more stuff, it's impossible.

>You seem to be the one talking in monetary terms
kek
So you're acting like you don't care about increased living standards and only care about owning the means of production.
If the workers owning the means didn't benefit them. Why would they want to do it?
Isn't the goal of communism for the workers to get the "full product of their labor" or whatever?
I explained how at the end of the day they would be getting nothing at all and their lives would be worse off. Where is your response?

>Inheriting it
The vast majority of land/businesses are bought or created, not inherited.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/majority-of-the-worlds-richest-people-are-self-made-says-new-report.html
>Only 8.5% of global high-net-worth individuals were categorized as having completely inherited their wealth.

>enclosure
The enclosure acts were actually kind of based and radically increased food production, leading to less starvation.

>Beyond a certain point it's impossible to work a gorillion times harder than everyone,
Nobody is saying they are physically working that hard brainlet lmao.
It's about how much subjective value they add to the production process. Saving resources for years as a worker and coming up with a business plan is obviously far more important to production than simply showing up and turning a wrench.

>and most wealth is inherited
DEBUNKED

>(which shouldn't be allowed)
KEK you truly are not an anarchist
I bet the rule list in your "anarchist"(read: totalitarian state) is a mile fucking long

>>50622858
>standard oil monopoly
Standard oil was never a monopoly. By they time they were broken up, they only had about 63% market share. They were also extremely based. We need more standard oils to increase efficiency and lower prices for workers.

>>inb4 "real muhnopolies are impossible" nonsense
It's fucking true though and you can just cry about it. You need a state for monopolies to form. They can't form without government intervention.

>that was not reflective of how much labor
The amount of labor has nothing to do with it. Labor is not homogenous. The labor theory of value is false. Someone can work their ass off digging ditches and then filling them back up again. This is obviously a lot of labor, but it creates ZERO value. Someone can put in a lot less physical effort designing an improved design to an iron smelter or something and it would created MUCH more value.

>The big capitalists have employees that plan everything
They initially came up with the plans and are the final decision makers. You totally ignored my point about underconsumption kek

>lulz
HAHAHA so you have no fucking argument and are just going to cry about it. All of my examples you're just going to go NNOOO IT'S NOT REAL, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE REEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
I'm legitimately watching you cope in real time over being wrong.
You can't even read a book or a simple pdf.

>majority of the 100,000 year long existence of humanity, societies were stateless and non-market based
You mean when tribes had 30 fucking people in them? lmao
Also there was still trade and currency during a lot of this period.

How do you cope over the fact the majority of times statelessness was tried in history, it was market based and capitalist? Do you think people would just stop trading with each other if the state didn't exist? You people are religious cultists.

>>50622858
>Holy shit, your command of the english language is atrocious
HAHAHAHAHA
What kind of fucking response is this?
You just ignore things and post something completely irrelevant.
Chomsky is an authoritarian state worshipping clown and you're doing mental gymnastics to defend him lmao

>>50615853
This Motherfucker, picrel, has gots ta go.

>>50616945
That's about right Everything is a subscription, and you'll have zero afterward.

>>50615853
If cars can be eliminated to a large extent, suburbs and rural life ceases. Live in Detroitopia or orr grid. Sad

>>50615853
The nigger busses are good enough for you, pal.

>>50623110
>Leftists do this constantly, I see it all the time.
don't let me but into the argument with the leftist in your head.

>The purpose of factories is production for the wants of individuals. At the end of the day, the goal of taking over the factories is getting more STUFF from your work. Well you aren't going to get more stuff, it's impossible.
Alright m8

>So you're acting like you don't care about increased living standards and only care about owning the means of production.
>If the workers owning the means didn't benefit them. Why would they want to do it?
You have no idea what you're railing against if you think there's money involved.

>The enclosure acts were actually kind of based and radically increased food production, leading to less starvation.
Oh yeah, shit like the hungry forties. Leading to the 1848 revolutions. That was a really based increase in food production. Irrelevant though, Stalin massively increased food production and you think he's satan.

>It's about how much subjective value they add to the production process
Capitalists aren't fucking selling "subjective value" you clown, they're selling the right to use land and mines and forests to laborers, then selling the products of the laborers back to them, and pocketing the difference.

>KEK you truly are not an anarchist
Every single left-anarchist is categorically against inherited privilege.

>https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/majority-of-the-worlds-richest-people-are-self-made-says-new-report.html
Impressive if true, but they still didn't labor for the majority of that.

>>50623124

>We need more standard oils to increase efficiency and lower prices for workers.
Can't just say this without a source breh. And a source that wages didn't go down as well. (Adjusted for inflation of course).

>It's fucking true though and you can just cry about it.
"There are no natural monopolies" is the confession of faith of the rightoid

>The amount of labor has nothing to do with it.
Correct, because things besides labor are bought and sold. Capitalists sell things that are not the products of labor.

>They initially came up with the plans
No, they paid someone to come up with it

>and are the final decision makers.
They usually don't give a shit

>You totally ignored my point about underconsumption kek
It's largely based on a fiction.

>HAHAHA so you have no fucking argument
You claim there is no criticism for places including: the american midwest, catholic theocratic french canada, and sub-saharan africa. I reiterate: lulz.

>You mean when tribes had 30 fucking people in them? lmao
???
>literally all of humanity
>30 people

>Also there was still trade and currency during a lot of this period.
There's exceptions to everything, which you ignore at your leisure.

>How do you cope over the fact the majority of times statelessness was tried in history, it was market based and capitalist?
By recognizing I wouldn't want to live in any of those places.

>>50623145
>You just ignore things and post something completely irrelevant.
You'll maybe figure it out if you compare the contents of the video with your claims a few more times.

>>50615853
Well then buy a vehicle that is not wasteful to environment
Private plane for example
They will never ban those

>>50615853
On a bus or train sitting next to an unconscious homeless nog with diarrhea leaking from his shorts while held at gunpoint for your phone and wallet, and you will be happy, because (((they))) provided will give you no choice

>>50615892
I don't know if this is meant to be a joke about the great reset, but you don't think taking cars from everybody is remotely tyrannical? How are you that retarded or that evil?

>>50621465
>He thinks people walk in flyover land
30 minute drive to Walmart. Hence flyover you dumbass.

>>50621458
Based I hope we are turning over a new leaf in the history of /biz/ with this libertarian revival.

>>50615853
Yay, a bicycle and mass transit paradise, no clogged roads or pollution.

>>50624235
/biz/ is too stupid to understand libertarianism, austrian economics etc

I can only try so much, but the strawman arguments are too retarded and powerful :/

The commodities/precious metals threads are pretty libertarian/austrian though

>>50615853
You will ride the bicycle

Pov all cars were banned and you now ride a bicycle everywhere

>>50615892
DUDE, THIS ONE TIME WHEN IS WAS GERNALISMIMING A GUY TRIED TO KILL ME. IT WAS LIKE THAT ONE PART IN AVENGERS SOMTHIGN OR ANOTHER.

>>50616886
This nigga abbreviated faggot.

>>50624292
/biz/ is retarded and doesn't understand libertarianism etc. Those systems are still retarded larps though.

I own 2 cars and 4 motorbikes. All are old pieces of shit

>>50623932
kek it took you over an hour to reply to me, just give up you fucking loser

>leftist in your head.
kek, it's literally every leftist ever
you're just denying reality at this point

>You have no idea what you're railing against if you think there's money involved.
What? We're talking about communist's issue with existing capitalism, not the end goal of moneyless communism.
Marx's exploitation theory simply states that the workers aren't paid the full value of their labor and he uses money in his theories. I am simply saying that if marx's theory was true, workers after the revolution would get a measly one time 7.71% increase in resources(not money, resources) if they got rid of the capitalists and owned the means directly.
It's incredible you don't even understand my argument.

>Leading to the 1848 revolutions.
Correlation does not equal causation. Most of these acts were implemented years prior to 1848. These acts mainly gave private property rights to peasants and solved the tragedy of the commons. If these acts were never put in place, food production would be even lower.
Why in america, which had superior private property rights(homesteading) was there a massive increase in food production and consumption, far beyond europe?

>Stalin massively increased food production
I thought you weren't a tankie and here you are repeating tankie propaganda lmao
Every fucking time ahahhahaha the mask slips.
Stalin caused massive famines and even after the famines, the food consumption was a lot smaller than the capitalist west. Capitalist nations increased food production and consumption far faster and higher than any commie shithole.
inb4 that "cia document" that communists misunderstand

>>50623932
>Capitalists aren't fucking selling "subjective value"
They're are proving resources and work that massively increases the productivity of the firm, far greater than the workers would have obtained alone. Lets say workers are digging holes by hand and a capitalist comes along and brings them backhoes. The capitalist's actions have drastically increased value to the firm, far greater than what the workers would have obtained alone. You're clueless.
>they're selling the right to use land and mines and forests to laborers,
kek what? You're acting like land and labor are the only inputs in production. The main thing capitalists provide is CAPITAL. Some firms don't even HAVE land. Also, the capitalists had to previously accumulate resources to be able to buy the land in the first place. The workers did not do this. Do you think capital accumulation just magically happens?

>then selling the products of the laborers back to them
FACT: 99% of the end product of production in the entire economy is consumed by the working class. The workers are receiving what they put into the system. You cannot get more than virtually EVERYTHING.

>>50623932
>and pocketing the difference.
7.71% difference which comes from underconsumption, investment, ideas and providing workers an advance on the profits of goods not yet sold
Imagine trying to start a firm without a capitalist and having to wait years to become profitable lol

>you clown
You're a communist in 2022 lmao. Fucking clown.

>Every single left-anarchist is categorically against inherited privilege.
Then they AREN'T anarchists. Someone should be allowed to provide resources to their children you authoritarian manchild. You don't want a stateless society, stop fucking lying.
Just admit you aren't an anarchist. You're a statist that wants to control the actions of people out of nothing but primal envy.

>Impressive if true
Of course it's true.

>but they still didn't labor for the majority of that.
KEK Okay.
Imagine living in your ideal society where there is no underconsumption, investment etc and people live hand to mouth. What a fucking idiot.

>>50623963
>Can't just say this without a source breh. And a source that wages didn't go down as well. (Adjusted for inflation of course).
pic related, real wages for workers radically rose during this relatively free market period
prices constantly fell
Even wikipedia agrees
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age
>The rapid expansion of industrialization led to real wage growth of 60% between 1860 and 1890, and spread across the ever-increasing labor force. The average annual wage per industrial worker (including men, women, and children) rose from $380 in 1880, to $564 in 1890, a gain of 48%.

>"There are no natural monopolies" is the confession of faith of the rightoid
lol this is like telling a little kid there is no santa
Monopolies are not possible in a free market. Especially "natural monopolies".
https://mises.org/library/myth-natural-monopoly
You legit cannot even give one example.

>because things besides labor are bought and sold.
No dumbass, because value is subjective. I literally just explained this and you ignored it. Labor is not homogenous.
Capitalists make more money because the LABOR they provide to the firm is more valuable.
Saving money for 3 years and coming up with a business plan provides far more value than turning a wrench.

>No, they paid someone to come up with it
Wrong. Initially, it was them who came up with the plans. They can sometimes pay people who come up with ideas, but they are still using their funds they worked for to do this.

You will sleep at your workplace

>>50623963
>They usually don't give a shit
KEK Why would they not give a shit about their billion dollar companies and just let them fall into bankruptcy?

>It's largely based on a fiction.
LMFAO
It's basic logic. 1+1=2 kind of thing
You think you can consume something before it is produced? Because this is precisely what you are implying.
In order for a firm to be created, a large amount of money needs to be generated first. This requires WORK. Typically capitalists had previously worked for other capitalists themselves. Businesses don't just magically appear out of thin air.
Also, workers would have to work harder and longer in co-ops for less pay. Countless studies of real life co-ops show this. Unless you're one of those "anarchists" that think markets should be abolished entirely, and to that I say KEK

>>50621653
>Living alone in UK in a flat with no pets, balcony or air conditioning, and a long distance relationship. WFH was miserable,

Your life sounds exactly like mine but you have a ldr, thats more than me. Things will get better anon, in this world or the next

>>50621976
>>realise this is actually a good thing (for me)

Why is that good for you? You wont be able to accumulate more than $1000 a month. You will still be expected to keep working

>>50623963
> I reiterate: lulz.
HAHAHAHAHA Where's your fucking criticism then? WHERE?
fucking LULZ HAHAHAHA NIGGER you don't have ANYTHING
You're seething hard about basic history at this point.
https://www.amazon.com/Not-So-Wild-West-Property/dp/0804748543
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acadia
https://mises.org/power-market/republic-cospaia-anarchist-renaissance-city

>literally all of humanity
>30 people
OH MY FUCKING KEK
Obviously I was talking about the tribes themselves, and I wasn't saying there was only 30 people on earth back then.
PLEASE fucking kill yourself. PLEASE. There is no reason for your pathetic life to exist.

>There's exceptions to everything
It wasn't the exception, it was the rule.
There wasn't enough people to come together to make a true functioning market in the sense we know it today. If it's just 30 people, there will still be trade and property rights, but it makes no sense to have things like currencies etc. When the amount of people in these tribes increased to the point full on markets would be required, they naturally formed markets and currency.
Anarchism is capitalist, anarchism is markets.

>By recognizing I wouldn't want to live in any of those places.
You wouldn't want to live in places that had a lower murder rate than even Japan does today? You wouldn't want to live in an area where there was no state to steal your shit or send you to war? You wouldn't want to live in a place where even basic laborers had some of the highest living standards in the world?
No wonder you are a cuck.

>You'll maybe figure it
You had no point. You just defended the horrible and retarded things he was saying because you're a true believer and love authoritarianism.

>>50615892
>>50615853

DUDE A GREAT RESET JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

>>50624643
Because I have a fleet of cars
If normalfaggots are convinced to sell their cars to save muh planet that means they'll have to rent from people like me

>>50615853
Public transportation. That you still have to pay for of course.

BTW statists burn in hell (and that's a good thing!)

>>50625313
>BTW statists burn in hell (and that's a good thing!)
BASED

>>50624603

>>50625411
Wait.
Amazon is going to drive healthcare costs down.
Why are those twitter cucks saying it's a bad thing?

>>50622350
>free 2k gun with my maccas
and somehow burgertards still manage to be poor

>>50615853
by taking a bus that does a 15 minute by car ride in 50 minutes. twice a day. but you'll actually get there in 40 minutes riding your bike until its gets stolen

>>50616428
It’s not organic views on that site buddy

>TFW these assholes trolled you into eating a high protein diet
>TFW these assholes trolled you into lifting
>TFW these assholes trolled you into learning to hunt
>TFW these assholes trolled you into becoming finically independent
>TFW these assholes trolled you into becoming based and Chadpilled

>>50622417
just as well

>>50625461
Well if there’s one thing corporations love and I know this it’s lowering costs

>>50615853
>own my car in full
>own my house in full
>have decentralized water and heating
>only buy local(prices have remained stable for the past 6 years btw)
>neet retired
I will drive through the mountains whenever the fuck I feel like any god damn hour of the day I please and burn as much wood as I want

>>50625815
>businesses are slave masters, BECAUSE THEY JUST ARE OKAY

Are you that same china apologist commie from the other day? lol

>>50615853
So they want me to ride a donkey to work and fuck the donkey when I get home at night? Why? I mean I'll do it but I'll have to get a soda stream because I don't want to put that much weight on my donkey coming back from the store.

>>50617449
undjewville be 'appy

>>50615853
/r/fuckcars will defend him

>>50625260
Nope, ur gas cars are going to be illegal and u’ll be forced to recycle them. EV will be the only allowed type of car.

>>50615853
You vill live in ze cage.

>>50625260
aside from >>50626352
it will also just be very difficult to buy and get gas, as gas stations will be mostly a rich person thing for people like Jay Leno, and it won't be convenient

>>50624189
The fundamental idea isn't to just take cars away, but create infrastructure where you don't need one just to live a basic life. Some absolute dumb fucks will try to do so, and they should be resisted. Motor vehicles will always be needed for some people. They don't have to be needed for the majority though.
Right now, barring a few cities, you NEED to own a car to progress in America. That's an enormous expense and it is a barrier to economic growth. We're done with horizontal growth. Now things can only go vertical i.e. making society more efficient. Unless we holocaust a couple billion people or just decide to fuck over every future generation, we have to become dramatically more resource efficient. This is one way to to it. The WEF has some useless ideas, but they're not moustache twirling villains. They're trying to front run the coming societal collapse with changes to prevent it.

>>50615853
Take public transportation with urban youth

>>50615853
you wont leave in the first place

>>50615853
you can't stop the plan. 3 more years. you will eat ze bugs.

>>50615853
>Zis trillion dollar industry zat has a foothold in every country on ze planet and is ze forefront of technological innovation vill be kaput, completely voiding ze infrastructure of all said countries and crippling ze verkforce, because I say so and I have ze degree in ze economiks!
What a dumb fuck. As if car companies are going to liquidate, every major road on earth is going to be demolished or redeveloped and at least one mode of public transport will be arranged to connect every human settlement in the developed world because this old queen and his fag cronies say so. Plus, government regulation and fiscal policy is already fixing the fossil fuel debacle as is.

>>50615853
>economics?

>>50626621
>The WEF has some useless ideas, but they're not moustache twirling villains.
The other way around. They are moustache-twirling villains, but they have some ideas that are not useless.

>>50627994
i dont like the WEF or anything but that is absolutely related to economics
>elaborate
no

>>50621446
Well it's basically living in eastern europe, we only don't eat bugs (mediterranean cucks already it them though)