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STOP MINING IN MINEXMR
>START MINING IN P2POOL
STOP MINING IN MINEXMR
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shutdown/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't; It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. When P2Pool reaches 51% of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.


YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL DIRECTLY FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET!

If you have a PC or laptop:

1. Download Monero GUI
https://i.imgur.com/ZGefPef.png

2. Pick 'Advanced' mode
https://i.imgur.com/4c0uSE4.png

3. Set up your wallet
https://i.imgur.com/4lMKh00.png

4. Keep the default Daemon settings "Start a node automatically in the background"
https://i.imgur.com/maACmmT.png

5. Once sync'd, go to Advanced->Mining and pick 'P2Pool'. If you have a laptop or low-end PC (~50 kH/s) pick "Mini" pool, else pick "Main"
https://i.imgur.com/E60JeMG.png

P2Pool-compatible remote nodes if you do not have your own local copy of the blockchain:

>p2pmd.xmrvsbeast.com - (Western Europe) (rpc-port 18081, zmq-port 18083)
>myxmr.net - (Northern Europe) (rpc-port 18081, zmq-port 18083)

OTHERWISE SWITCH TO A SMALLER POOL, IT TAKES YOU 30 SECONDS AND YOU CAN JUST SOURCE A DIFFERENT CONFIG FILE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FUCK UP YOUR EXISTING ONE.

Many inexperienced miners think that big pools give better profits which is not the case. Your profits in the long run depend only on your hashrate, not on the pool's hashrate.

https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.


>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://monero.com/marketplace
https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/
https://acceptedhere.io/catalog/currency/xmr/

>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/


>Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors

>AlphaBay
http://alphabay522szl32u4ci5e3iokdsyth56ei7rwngr2wm7i5jo54j2eid.onion

>Asur Market
http://asuradsh6gbnppvmsqyfumjdux7iwwo54w5tkgcdspjsnvcm6oepxvqd.onion

>Chimera Market (recently launched, exercise caution)
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>Cloud Market (recently launched, exercise caution)
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>Darkmoon (recently launched, exercise caution)
http://dtn7r5a7okjqk4pgsetbn2runtgq5yl7avzkj6wi3rv7uu3eyreyfsid.onion

>FilthyFellas
http://filthygerfvjetqrkjg2mpsqhepmb2ndrhhj6n3266ju4xh6uir2kiad.onion

>Mellow Market (recently launched, exercise caution)
http://mellownx5c2tkrmrvvsnbfdnm3zvp6ozqdyuwwtgd7ivaae5noavwoad.onion

>Retro Market (recently launched, exercise caution)
http://retrom75eccxmlh2sg6xkfv4hp7y6nwoqkdilgckxqlvon4rmefk5nid.onion


>Poker Club: play no-limit Texas Hold'em in real time with 2-8 players over the safety of Tor with the privacy of Monero! No user account required.
http://dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/d/PokerClub


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://magicgrants.org/funds/monero/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

>The irrational exuberance of cryptocurrency investors

Irrational exuberance is characterized as a hype-fueled mania that causes investors to massively overestimate an asset's real-world value. In this delusional state, investors tend to become so smitten with expectations of greater profits that they disregard the assets’ potentially weak fundamentals and drink the proverbial Kool-Aid.

This then leads to them recklessly and repeatedly buying into whatever asset is currently rising in the charts, thereby triggering and/or sustaining an asset bubble. This bubble is kept inflated solely by the mass delusion that the market price is justified and will only keep going up in future, effectively becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Note that bubbles can last for years, especially in an age of easy investor on-boarding. However, when history inevitably repeats and the bubble bursts that optimism invariably turns into panic as the asset crashes back down to its real-world value.

In finance, the "greater fool theory" suggests that one can sometimes make money through the purchase of overvalued assets—items with a purchase price drastically exceeding the intrinsic value—if those assets can later be resold at an even higher price.

In this context, one "fool" might pay for an overpriced asset, hoping that he can sell it to an even "greater fool" and make a profit. This only works as long as there are enough new "greater fools" willing to pay higher and higher prices for the asset. Eventually, investors can no longer deny that the price is out of touch with reality, at which point a sell-off can cause the price to drop significantly until it is closer to its fair value, which in some cases could be zero.

This effect is often further exacerbated by herd mentality, whereby people hear stories of others who bought in early and made big profits, causing those who did not buy to feel a fear of missing out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

>>50620666
checked

REMINDER TO MINE ON P2POOL (MINI)
>REMINDER TO MINE ON P2POOL (MINI)
REMINDER TO MINE ON P2POOL (MINI)
>REMINDER TO MINE ON P2POOL (MINI)

The hashrate of P2pool Mini have dropped in the last few days/weeks. Please consider mining on it

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

Reminder to not feed the troll.

>>50620666
I hold BTC only. should i convert to LTC then send to CakeWallet or can I do BTC -> XMR directly via Cake. Or better yet, on BTC->XMR on TradeOgre

>>50620952
Good reminder, have a (You)

>>50621006

Consider buying Zcash instead, its basically a guaranteed moon mission.

>>50620952
Amen

>>50621006
BTC->XMR on TradeOgre sound good. You can use LocalMonero to get XMR for BTC quicker, if you are doing a smaller amount.

Tapping in

>>50621545

sheeeeeeeeeeit, negro, this is a tasty burger!

>>50620859
P2Pool Mini
I'm doing my best with my 1100 H/s
Running it 24/7

>>50621206
Railgun is leading the pack with respect to Prifi, retard.

>>50621902

lol as if, Failgun is just a jeet rugpill that rips off our tech and tries to repackage it as something unique.

Accept no substitutes, folks, only Zcash is the real deal

Poker Club nose whats up

reminder XMR is the most used cryptocurrency on the darknet since russian DNM Hydra was dismantled on April 5

keep the monero generals alive, I've learned so much from them, thanks to all of you
also keep the wifus too

>>50621227
Anything wrong with CakeWallet?

>>50623260
It is considered a beginner wallet because you can use it as an exchange and swap between Monero and Bitcoin/Litecoin etc. The Monero.com wallet is a better version of it for mobile as it is Monero only. I wouldn't recommend using Caje for holding anything other than Monero, and swapping into other cryptos on the spot if needed.

Reporting in

tor irc- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/tzm4s
Aliases- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/bjbx3
Extras- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/daxte
Nodes- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/ke2k8
Mining- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/c7na4

>>50623409
How about monerujo? I'm thinking of creating a detached setup where I have my own full node and I have my the wallet in my mobile device.

>>50624725
I would say that having your main wallet on your phone is not the best idea. Your mobile wallet should be a fraction of your total holdings. I like to keep a mobile wallet to tip friends to get them into crypto, or if I want to buy a gift card through coin cards and I am on the road. Your main hot wallet should be on your desktop. I'd recommend the cli, the gui, or feather, and you should also consider having a cold storage wallet for extra security.
That said, Monerujo is definitely a better choice than cakewallet. They have been around for a while and are trusted within the community, and they are more Monero focused (cakewallet is bloated with shitcoins and they have had problems in the past with bad RNGs which lead to people losing Bitcoin...which is why holding anything but Monero on Cake is a bad idea). Like I already said, Monero.com is a better alternative than cakewallet I haven't used it personally but I have heard good things. If you want to do this type of set up, I would experiment with either Monerujo or Monero.com and see which one you like better.
There is even a fork of Monerujo called Shruum that is new but even more hardened (though it is new so be aware of that). I haven't used it but I have been meaning to try it out.

>Zcash General
Archived 15 / 5 after less than some hours.
Ecactly as i mentioned earlier. LOL

>>50625248
Thanks anon, I will look into that.

wasn't this shit supposed to hedge against inflation?

>>50626643
Nah nigga, this be hedge against armageddon.

>>50623016
based

>>50623016

>>50624725
>>50625248
>>50626510
Phones have a much much better security model than PCs (Windows/Linux/Mac, all the same shit)
On Android (and probably iOS too) apps have very little permission to do stuff with the OS or other apps. Each app has its own secure storage, there is a OS controlled encrypted secure storage (+2FA with biometrics/fingerprint), all apps are jailed and can only do stuff via secure APIs.
On Windows/Linux each program you start can modify all your files, record your screen, clipboard, etc.
The Monero wallet file on your PC might be encrypted, but when you enter the password any application on your PC can see your keystrokes, see your process list, copy your files, etc.
So you have to trust every single application to not steal your funds, also every library and dependency they use. It's ridiculous.

Use the latest version of Android, encrypt your phone and use cake wallet.

>>50623132
>also keep the wifus too
Monero gains not only new ATHs in transaction count and merchant adoption during a bear market, we also hit new ATHs in Monerochans.

We literally have the most recession-resistant coin of all time.

>>50620952
Gotchu

>>50627809
>Use the latest version of Android
My phone right now can only support Android 8 though and I don't have the money to get a new one at the moment.

>>50627693
A Jabami x Monero-chan crossover would be nice.

>>50628045
that sounds absolutely horrible
but I guess at that point you wouldn't have a lot of XMR either, so all good lol

maybe your phones life can be extended by a custom rom?
it weakens the securitty model a bit:
need to trust the custom rom devs, however it's all open source and lineageos, arrowos, etc. (big ones) have lots of devs and a long trusted history

>>50628179
>but I guess at that point you wouldn't have a lot of XMR either
Who knows, lol. I like to use my gadgets until they're broken beyond repair.
>maybe your phones life can be extended by a custom rom?
Yeah, I've looked into it and sadly my phone is not popular enough to have anyone bother create a custom ROM for it.

>>50628212
>Who knows, lol. I like to use my gadgets until they're broken beyond repair.
A phone that runs Android 8 is broken beyond repair.
Android 8 is end of life, that means dead. No security updates.

I use a Poco F3, under $300 on sale.
Very good HW and custom rom support.

>>50628270
>A phone that runs Android 8 is broken beyond repair.
>Android 8 is end of life, that means dead. No security updates.
It still turns on.
>I use a Poco F3, under $300 on sale.
>Very good HW and custom rom support.
I will look into that.

Reminder to buy Zcash if you actually want to make it, ZKP is the future.

>>50621118
>tummy hnnnnnggggg

>>50625248
>There is even a fork of Monerujo called Shruum that is new but even more hardened

Unfortunately, Shruum Wallet got abandoned.
Check the website: mayumi dot one

Monerk ecosystem can definitely use a monero hardliner wallet that is unashamedly cypherpunk and is unashamedly for the darknet market usage, for android.

>>50628484
*monero
*can definitely make us of*

>>50627809
>On Windows/Linux each program you start can modify all your files, record your screen, clipboard, etc.
On windows maybe but i can only see this happening on linux if you infect yourself with random shit. As android is based on linux i'd say the two are similarly secure

>Use the latest version of Android
>manufacturer drops support for your phone behind you
>heh, nothing personel kid
Phones are a lot more secure than people give them credit for but they come with their own problems. I never liked the idea of using biometrics to unlock your phone, and I can't understand how after 12 years no one has figured out how to increase the password length past 16 characters.

>>50628716
>On windows maybe but i can only see this happening on linux if you infect yourself with random shit. As android is based on linux i'd say the two are similarly secure
Nope, the apps can't access any of the Linux APIs on Android.
They are fully jailed and have no way of escaping their little cuckbox.
On Linux you can see everything that is running under the same user.
Android is way way way more secure, it's just built super different - with distrust in mind.

And yeah you probably won't get malware on Linux if you aren't a retard.
But it's enough that one dev pushes a malicious dependency somewhere and infects millions of PCs.
In the age of crypto currency this can be extremely profitable, as they can make millions within a few days and nothing can be done against the stolen funds.
This is not possible on Android, you can install all kinds of random .apks from the Internet and your wallet will be safu.
Meanwhile on Linux a steam game can steal your shit.

>>50628824

>>50621731
absolutly based

>>50623473
based

>>50626237
as planned. they only live through trolling on Monero general. No one cares about zcash. Im glad that any Monero Chad replied to them on this thread. Keep going and ignore them at all time

>COME AND MINE ON P2POOL (MINI) WE NEED YOU RIGHT NOW.
I'M CONSIDERING MAKING AND SHARING A TUTORIAL + BATCH SCRIPT TO EASILY MINE ON P2POOL MINI. ANY OF YOU GUYS WOULD BE INTERESTED ?

>>50628887
Here I just went through cake wallet source code to confirm this:
https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/blob/dd784a78290e678c432d17841e6ce6fc910e0055/lib/core/key_service.dart

>FlutterSecureStorage _secureStorage;
-> https://pub.dev/packages/flutter_secure_storage
>AES encryption is used for Android. AES secret key is encrypted with RSA and RSA key is stored in KeyStore
-> Android keystore system: https://developer.android.com/training/articles/keystore.html
read this document ^
On a PC you could have this level of key security with a TPM
But none of your applications are sandboxed and many of them have administrator privileges too so it can be easily attacked.

Read this also about android security:
https://www.iaik.tugraz.at/wp-content/uploads/teaching/mobile-security/2021-04-22-Android-Platform-Security.pdf

>>50620666
N

>>50628975
so basically:
create your wallet using cake wallet on an up2date android phone
write down the key (without using copy & paste) on a piece of paper, store it in a safe

About copy & paste, since Android 10 this is supposedly fixed:
https://developer.android.com/about/versions/10/privacy/changes#clipboard-data
> Unless your app is the default input method editor (IME) or is the app that currently has focus, your app cannot access clipboard data on Android 10 or higher.
So only your keyboard has access to the clipboard.
You may safely copy&paste your private key into a private bitwarden note.
But don't install any 3rd party keyboards on android if you are going to copy your seed!!!!

>>50628824
>On Linux you can see everything that is running under the same user.

Use Qubes OS you fagit

>>50628951
>they only live through trolling on Monero general.

figures as they are parasite tapeworm themselves

>>50629076
No sane normal person uses Qubes.
Meanwhile everyone uses Android.

Why would I have to run multiple operating systems in VMs to not get my shit stolen by rogue code?
Desktop PCs just have terrible security due to legacy reasons.

>>50620810
Stop posting this retarded copypasta please. Transaction fees exist. I am a monero maximalist, but this makes us look dumb.

Google Zcash for the truth Monero chuds don't want you to know.

>>50628484
>Shruum Wallet got abandoned.
Did it really? I don't see anything on the website, last update was on June 5th.

>>50629381
That's not a refutal and that copypasta serves as a redpill for alot of Bitcoin maxis. You don't fool anyone.

What are some good monero podcasts out there?

>>50621206
>The only privacy coin to survive regulation
by bending over for regulation.

sorry but zcash is not to be trusted

>>50629117
Just finished reading a bit more into everything you posted. So android basically uses SELinux to jail every app so you don't accidentally yourself? That's actually pretty neat.

>>50630434

Non-compliance = no institutional adoption = no moon mission.

But I guess you chuds have to find that out the hard way.

>>50629010
I

>>50630825
top kek no one uses zcash.

>>50631106
>/zcash general/

>>50631144

Really makes you think.......

>>50629037
I think you are missing the point of what was being said earlier.
Of course, using phones is what you make of it. If you know what you are doing you can have an extremely safe wallet in any medium. But for the average user, recommending they keep all their Monero on their phone is a bad idea. Most noobies don't take phone security seriously so advising that they have a hot wallet on their desktop and a cold storage wallet is usually better practice.
Additionally, desktop wallets are much more customizable and rich in resources. Feather or the CLI shits all over the mobile wallets based on features.

>>50631275
You don't get it, read through what I posted again.
On a phone it's almost impossible (by design of the OS) to steal your private key. So ESPECIALLY for normies it is so much easier to have a secure phone, just set a good password and enable fingerprint biometrics -> done.

Meanwhile on a PC any software you run can steal your private key, unless you go full autism.
Lets say you join a Garrys Mod server, your client downloads a lua script that exploits a vulnerability in the game.
Boom, you now you have malware on your PC that can access all of your data and mess with other programs. <- not possible on Android, even if you directly install some virus.apk
The next time you start your monero wallet the attacker will have access to all of your funds.

DAILY REMINDER:
>holding hands with monero chan

>>50631169
>How much will the tranny suicide rate rise when zcash inevitably ruggs?

Not by much because nobody uses it.

>>50631420
i don;t like, anime

>>50631412
>On a phone it's almost impossible (by design of the OS) to steal your private key.
You are acting like it would be difficult to access a normies phone. You can easily figure out a person's numerical password by being looking over their shoulder and many people use universal passwords for accounts.
Additionally, you run risks of actually being attacked in real life. ("oh look, dis nigga has Monero because I see he has cake wallet" etc).
Third, and most importantly, the majority of your funds should be in cold storage.
I have extremely little concern about my Linux setup being an issue and I am careful with encryption etc. I understand that most people just download things on windows and don't care about their privacy but there is a reason that 99% of these attacks are literally simple malware clipboard hacks. Additionally, YOU SHOULD NEVER TYPE YOUR SEED. As long as you look out for these things I really don't see the concern.

>>50623016
>Poker Club nose whats up

Have you tried this out yet? I'm thinking about organizing a MoneroChad Poker Night every Saturday evening when Poker Club has its weekly event:

Poker Night Every Saturday 6:00pm EDT / 22:00 UTC

>Buy-in
1000 - 2000 c

>Buy-in
1000 - 2000 chips [0.1 - 0.2 XMR]

>Blinds
2/5

>When
Every Saturday
6:00pm EDT
22:00 UTC

>Where
/d/PokerClub

*Buy-in and blinds may change to keep game under 50 USD

>>50631540

>>50631597
monero is fo reveryone

>>50631572
gib link, nigger.
what about xmr.poker?
Otherwise, based, I am in.

>>50631572
That could be comfy

>>50631655
>gib link, nigger.

Link is posted here: >>50620762


>what about xmr.poker?

Had no idea this existed. Can anybody confirm this is legit so I can add it to the services list?


>Otherwise, based, I am in.

Cool, hopefully others will join and this can become a regular weekly thing.

>>50631749
Would be awesome, m8.

>>50631749
rake?

>>50631749
>what about xmr.poker?
I've played there, took like 24 hours for my winnings to come through but I did get them. Seemed legit

>>50631886

Not specified on the site, they have a donation address so there might not even be one. That's why I asked about user experiences.

>>50631991
>I've played there, took like 24 hours for my winnings to come through but I did get them. Seemed legit

Yeah, seems legit. At least they specify the rake (1%).

Is there a chat function?

>>50632143
>Is there a chat function?
yep

>>50631749
From the creator's reddit post it looks legit. Albeit I haven't tried it myself.
>No registration
>Anonymous
>Low Rake of 1%
>Immediate Withdrawal
>Compatibility – open-source app
>No withdrawal fees
>private server renting

More information on said post:
https://teddit.net/r/Monero/comments/p1z95e/xmrpoker/

>>50632200
>>50632297

All right then. So, I figure we could alternate between sites to give them both some traffic e.g. one week Poker Club, next week XMR.poker.

Hopefully this catches on and word spreads, online poker/gambling is potentially a highly effective way of onboarding significant numbers of normies who otherwise have no interest in darknet business.

>The Department of Justice maintains that, under the Wire Act, all Internet gambling by bettors in the United States is illegal.

Just gotta emphasize and explain how Tor + XMR keeps them safe and they'll come rolling in.

>>50631572
>>50632413
Tard here, how sweaty are you guys gonna be? I know how to play but I've literally only ever done it with buddies for shits and giggles and like zero monetary value. I don't even remember the odds of the different hands happening, other than that like pairs are gonna be 40-45% of the time ish or so I think.

How do "real" games usually go, do most people also just wing it or when real money is involved should I expect everyone to go full tryhard and wipe the floor with me?

>>50632413
Normies would fuck us up with their GTO BS. I think GTO fuckery is less likely within our small honorable community.

>>50631412
So a phone with no SIM card would make a decent alternative to a hardware wallet that is normie friendly and doesn't require you to trust a speciality third party like ledger? Asking since I've been trying to figure out a way around buying one. My thought is that one could have a 'view only' phone and a 'cold' phone both running syncthing to pass txs back and forth, and since syncthing is e2ee and p2p there's no way for glowies/haxxors/virus.bat/etc to snatch anything mid transit or on device since it's all jailed anyway.

>>50633126
>I don't even remember the odds of the different hands happening
If online poker is anything like other online games you will lose money.
You can't be casual in ranked or when money is involved.

>>50633228
Damn alright gay
>you can't be casual in ranked
Well, depends on the game, in cases where there's no money it can be entirely viable to play relaxed in ranked games. You just won't rise to the very top. Of course there are esport bait games like valorant or something which are literally only played by tryhard streamers and their tryhard followers, but not every game is like that.

>>50633217
It sounds like a cool idea in theory.
A few possible issues:
- if you don't sync often enough it's gonna be dick slow when you need to, most phone cpus aren't that great
- be inclined to use your old and outdated phone (though not that big of an issue if you only use it for cake wallet)
- keeping it charged while it's in a safe?

i don't know of any phone wallet that allows exporting a transaction so that you could sync it, I'd just submit it to a trusted remote/local node from the phone

multi factor/multisig wallet would be cool
you would need to sign your TX with your PC and phone (or phone 1 and phone 2, etc.)
there seems to be this: https://rino.io/ for cloud MFA
but apparently proprietary and not yet in production

>>50633217
>>50633543
it sounds like a good idea in general to have a "getaway phone" in your safe too
a phone that you never use but is loaded with your monero wallet, bitwarden, contacts, etc.
in case your phone gets stolen/broken, you have to gtfo without being tracked etc.
can also serve as a secure backup (full disk encrypted android)

>>50633215
>Normies would fuck us up with their GTO BS. I think GTO fuckery is less likely within our small honorable community.

I meant in a broader scope, not necessarily about our specific game night. We could always set up our own private rooms.

Online gambling could well prove to be Monero's other killer app. So far, the darknet has been limited primarily to (narcotics) commerce, which is great and all, but there is an entire other market there to exploit, many more millions of people worldwide would partake if they felt safe enough to do so.

Let that be a challenge to darknet developers out there: if you can build a provably fair Tor-friendly casino you've essentially built a bona fide money printer.

>Online Gambling Market Size to Achieve USD 172 Billion by 2030 growing at 11.6%
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/07/11/2477692/0/en/Online-Gambling-Market-Size-to-Achieve-USD-172-Billion-by-2030-growing-at-11-6-CAGR-due-to-the-Increasing-Penetration-of-Mobile-Phones-Globally-Exclusive-Report-by-Acumen-Research-.html

What the fuck is the point of bitcoins if I can't even buy them without giving my passport and social security number to some website probably owned by feds? This shit is retarded. Can I use XMR to buy shit actually anonymously I'm just tryna pay for my online shopping without getting assraped by the us government

>>50633217
Monerujo is actually working on a phone hardware wallet. It got funded so should be out soon.
>>50633740
Use local Monero

>>50633608
I figured there might be a few issues, but it might be a concept worth exploring for poorfags or techfags with old phones and other devices lying around.
And yes a getaway phone + charger should be in everyone's go bag

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!

>MineXMR is shutting down August 12th, and referring members to use P2Pool. Change ASAP.
"The mining pool is closing on August 12. Please reconfigure your miners to use another pool. We recommend transitioning to the decentralised p2pool"

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/wb7a9s/minerxmr_is_shutting_down_august_12th_and/

This is a HUGE step towards P2Pool hitting 51%.

>>50634158
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>50634158
Imagine p2pool getting to 51%, monero would be super hardened against shenanigans at that point

>>50632413
Can you access pokerclub through Tor? If so, were all set. I agree that it should be rotational, to use both services.
It could definitely catch on, completely anonymous poker without anyone knowing? The propositions and marketing write themselves, it's that easy. Just another market for XMR to conquer.

It's like Molly's Game, but anonymously online lol. Maybe the name should be something like that.

>>50634158

>>50634158
this makes me happy like you wouldn't fucking believe.

>>50634158
LET'S FUCKING GO, only thing missing now is p2pool on 51% or higher.

>>50634158
HOLY FUCKING BASED.

>>50634344
>Can you access pokerclub through Tor?

Well yeah, both sites are darknet sites i.e. only accessible over Tor, would be perilous otherwise.

>It could definitely catch on, completely anonymous poker without anyone knowing? The propositions and marketing write themselves, it's that easy. Just another market for XMR to conquer.

Yep, Tor shields your identity while Monero shields the money trail, win/win. Bitcoin simply cannot compete.

The infrastructure exits, the lack of activity really seems to be down to just lack of awareness, its exceedingly hard to market darknet vice to normies who never leave the clearnet. It's why I listed Poker Club in the services list, the more people that are aware of the option the more people will use it and tell their normie friends, which gets them buying Monero and trying it out, rinse & repeat.........

>>50634158
Noice

>>50634158
Plan status: trusted

>>50634158
I've transcended to comfy levels never thought possible

>>50634158
Based.
One less FUD to worry about.
Just get the swaps and some DEX ready and we are comfy for the next decade.

>>50635400
ewww 3dpd.

>>50634158
>check site
>it's real
Holy shit this is yet another large milestone Monero will claim in the entire cryptocurrency sphere.

>>50620666
>Bought lottery ticket
Okay here's the plan.
>Win the 650,000,000 dollars lump sum
>Obliterate the Monero order book on Kraken with a 50,000,000 order volume
>Obliterate the orderbooks everywhere dumping the whole 650m pre-tax into Monero
>Tax season
>Where tf did Anon go?

My bois
Did you hear of this shit?
Check out pixelon, an Elon Musk nft project. Web and tg is pixelonbsc.

CA: 0x52B3bC6674e7dB801e32bF72688F58e2E59bD4BD

You better hurry

>>50635697
Unironically also buying a fuckton of XMR if I win. Slowly, non-kyc and not using any exchanges. I'll make 1000s of small transactions by hand if I have to. Holding and spending only. Never selling.

>>50634158
This is game-changing. Summer of XMR continues...

>>50620666
This was shit to mine satan.

It would be cool but I think it's a turd.

>>50635960
It's specifically like that to discourage ASIC development and network centralization.

>>50623132
Ditto. The guy who posts links with his "reporting in" or "checking in" and the messy hair smol brain pepe in the priest shirt has taught me some shit

>>50635960
>NOOOOOO I CAN'T JUST MAKE $50 A DAY OFF OF RUNNING A $1000 SETUP
>NOOOOO, MINING IS SUPPOSED TO BE FREE GIBS ME DATS

Mining is the shit-tier job you task your computer with in the background while you do actual things to EARN Monero as payment. It's a monetery system, not a free ride for computer nerds.

>>50636160
I meant this guy >>50623473
But I'm a little retarded and forgot to look for him

>>50636160
If there's anything you think I've missed, or anything that needs clarification or expansion let me know, I amend the guides over time.

>>50636187
Wait what you make 50 dollars a day? With what? Maybe I should put my 5800x into P2Pool instead of just solo mining... That's 2 XMR a week almost!

>>50636253
No, I was mocking people who think mining should be massively profitable to the point where a few grand invested in hardware works out to like a part time job in payouts.

I'm pulling in like $1 a day off of a ~$2500 setup, nearly a 7 YEAR ROI assuming prices never move. I think this is better, because it forces people to stick around and continue mining for long periods of time. These rigs are going to run either until they die, or until new chips can pull at least 5x the hashrate for the same price, even then they'll just be transitioned to file servers or nodes.

>>50629037
Ty anon. There's a lot here for a security noob to read about

>>50634855
>The infrastructure exits, the lack of activity really seems to be down to just lack of awareness, its exceedingly hard to market darknet vice to normies who never leave the clearnet.
I agree, it needs diversification of markets to achieve the next levels.
Another potential market is the donations/subscription-based social media - like only fans or twitch. There's two options: by either lobbying or creating similar services that are xmr only.
Incentives like those aforementioned and discounts when buying with xmr are quite useful, since people always want to pay less for things.

It has along way to go in order to fully absorb quotidian activities, but that is the end goal.

How do sites like
https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
and
https://pools.xmr.wiki (?down?)
work?

How do they keep track of how much hashrate each pool has?
Do they just scrape the pools' sites for the reported hashrate?
Or do they just know what addresses belong to each pool and scan the coinbase transactions for those addresses?

>>50628317
>ZKP is the future.
my biggest bag outside Ethereum that has been making pretty insane profit
i have Ada and Vet too, and just added Axl, but not gonna lie, it's fixed staking rewards drew my attention to it.

>>50634158
>largest Monero mining pool VOLUNTARILY shuts down and encourages miners to use a distributed, trustless, open source pool that can't harm the Monero chain
Monero's community is everything Bitcoin's should have been. It's over, glowies, you lose.

>>50639406

What is it about the /XMR/ Monero General that attracts all the shitcoin shillbots?

>>50620666
how much longer until xmr is outlawed?

>>50620952

>>50639667
>>50639667
Most based action of the year

>>50620666
>>50620666
Checked

damn i really got temp banned for tipping the person who made the laughing whores pic the other day

Please buy Zcash to support the special humanitarian operation

>>50639975
Fuck jannies. They probably also banned the anon who drew the pic.

>>50620666
Frens, non-frens and lurkers,

lend me your ears.

We present to you piconeroj.eu. An XMR only P2P clear net market place that does not require javescript, cookies or milk.
Tor and VPN posting is permitted.

Could you try it out and try to break things?

The marketplace is currently in Alpha version and we want to find and iron out as much bugs as possible.

Try to post Buy/Sell ads of all decent things you can think of.

Also please let us know the flaws that are inherent right now.

>>50640396
Holy based!

>>50640396
very nice

don't mind if I do

>>50640396
were you the reddit accounts /u/xmradmin and /u/Unknown5nc? did they get banned?
ps: if you give me explicit permission via email (so I can not be a criminal) I am happy to run my toolkit on the web app and see if I can fuck anything up.
>t. went to school for cybersecurity/networking

>>50640396
>>50640606
oh my mistake I didn't see pic and thought you were this user:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/w6660n/moneromarket_website_buy_and_sell_legal_items/

>>50640652
xmradmin's website has bells and whistles and requires fees for posting.
Piconeroj is P2P. Think of it to be an XMR only Craig's list. You will pay the buyer/seller directly.

>>50640561
>>50640568
It is nothing but a modified image board. Meant to serve as an XMR only Craig's list.

Monerobros, do you ever take profits?
I've been in the market since 2017 and I've never sold anything, I've only ever accumulated. What if I sell and the entire crypto market decouples immediately afterwards?

>>50640173
yeah i figured he would get one because he posted his address
>>50640801
i dont sell my monero for cash. i trade it or things

newfag here, I have some btc in a coinbase account that I'd like to convert to xmr

I've created a wallet using the official xmr gui, now what do I convert btc to xmr in my monero wallet

>>50640873
kycnot.me for all sites you can swap to xmr for a ~1% fee.

tradeogre is a non kyc exchange, just need an email. withdraw immediately

>>50640873
>>50640934
this, except I'd like to reiterate that you need to get that money off the exchange as soon as possible.

>>50640934
sorry could you give me the step by step because im retarded

i have a monero wallet and a bisq wallet and a coinbase wallet, now what?

>>50641117
okay so youre swapping through bisq?
>send btc to bisq wallet
>create buy order btc for xmr
>get xmr
>withdraw to gui

desu i havent used bisq in a while because the UI is dogshit and tedious

>>50640934
i want to be able to do this without using any email other than that registered on my coinbase btc wallet

>>50640606
>>t. went to school for cybersecurity/networking

Just a quick question: darknet markets that require JS should not be trusted, right?

>>50641176
honestly sending your btc over to changenow.io or flixedfloat.com its almost instant and way less of a headache than bisq. no email. you just give them the xmr address that you want sent to, than it gives you the btc address to send to

>>50641225
This

>>50641214
correct.

>>50640396
>Rule 4.k
Best rule by far

>>50634158
Absolutely based. I never doubted they were the good guys.

Check out Zcash for the technologically most advanced coin in crypto.

damn dude
your general is doing so well you even have your own ztrash spambot (>>50620939)

>>50634446
The main xmr pool is closing soon and recommending to their miners to go p2pool. I'd say 51% is only a few months away.

>>50634158
>This is a HUGE step towards P2Pool hitting 51%.

what does it mean for Monero once P2Pool reach 51% of hashrate ?

>>50643876
>no central, authoritative node
>literally can't launch attacks

There's always the possibility of some kind of bug, but I'm very very optimistic about this change. This is also proof that the Monero community is so fucking based that some members are willing to commit financial seppuku to keep Monero safe.

they cut themselves off from a massive income stream and have completely changed my perception of them, I laud MineXMR and their sacrifice will not be forgotten.

>>50643876
If I'm reading it right, 51% of the hash rate will be owned by miners that can't launch an attack on the main chain because they're mining on a side chain.

>>50644053
>>50643963
>>50643876
>>50634158
Note, this is a referral. It doesn't suddenly mean everyone on minexrm goes p2pool.
P2pool requires running a full node, a lot of low investment miners will not do this. A lot of zombie machines will not do this. Some attentive miners will migrate. Many will just evaporate.

Prepare for what's coming. Net hashrate WILL drop. This means more rewards, but it also means less security. If someone wants to attack this will be the time.
Bring out older hardware and get it ready, if only to shore up the net hashrate until things settle down. Consider renting VPS for a month or two.

Alright guys, last I knew a few years ago XMR already was only worth mining with at least 4 or 8 GB VRAM.

I've got a 6700 XT with 12GB VRAM.
Is there any point mining after the crypto crash hopefully getting rid of some of the farms, or is it ASICs only now?

>>50644474
Don't mine XMR on a GPU

use moneroocean.stream and mine eth, or whatever else happens to be most 'profitable', letting them convert to XMR for you.
Hashing randomX on a GPU is a waste of electricity.
You can get some algo switching going for MO, but I'm a smooth brain and could never figure it out.

It is profitable? Depends on your electricity rates, but, yes. Especially with 6700xts, being the most energy efficient GPU for mining most algos, and among the top 3 across the board.

>>50644598
Is MO better than NiceHash? It looks like I can only make $20 or so per month after electricity offset with NiceHash. I keep hearing about MO but never tried it before.

>>50644644
If you're king smoothbrain, NH is fine, especially if you aren't a burger and can use their own exchange to effectively pay out in something other than BTC (and likewise withdraw without proportionally paying through the dick on BTC tx fees).

But realistically for all of the convenience NH offers in painless algo switching, you're probably just CPU mining XMR, and GPU mining ETH, no matter what.
So it's completely undermined by BTC being unfit for purpose. So I just mine gpu ETH on MO to bump the XMR value through automated exchange while CPU mining XMR directly p2pool. No algo switch.

>>50644148
i've seen that pruned nodes are 1/3 of total blockchain so it could be a starter. I don't know the exact size of the pruned blckchain. Also blockchain scanning has been improved. Maybe we could set up a way to generate torrents of the blockchain/pruned and have them updated every week or so to ease people
the blockchain is already available to download on https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#blockchain but i can't see any pruned blockchain download or torrent file

>>50644644
it's more or less the same, you'll mine ETH while it lasts, but you'll receive btc with nicehash and xmr with MO. if you mine with a GPU only eth rentability counts. in case you have a regular CPU you can also mine on P2Pool (Mini) to help the network

>>50644793
afaik each pruned blockchain is different and stores different data, so not really possible to torrent.

>>50643202
Z

>>50644773
I'm a burger with a software degree, just have been using shitboxes the last five years or so.
I remember when BTC was $5 and I didn't know how to buy it, $20 and I thought the payment method might be a scam, $100 and I didn't buy any because I was in college and didn't have much cash and I thought it would surely fall to and stabilize at $50 "once the hype died down".
I also had an early MC server and didn't think to make content or make a public server and monetize it, kek
>>50644793
I want XMR so I'll set up MO. I was using a small pool before so I never tried MO previously.

I thought CPU mining was always just a way to pay more in electricity, even with XMR's "resistance"?
I have a Ryzen 7 5700G, will I make enough to break even with P2Pool? Will I make more with MO or is it GPU only?

>>50644837
the point is if you want to be efficent and if you only want XMR you have to mine the most profitable crypto with your GPU (ETH so far). CPU mining isn't proftable "right now" with Monero. But as you mentioned if you "knew", you would have kept mining BTC with you CPU and earn ~0.004$ per day when we where in 2011-2012 (1 BTC around 5-15$ equals ~0.005 BTC now)

>>50644148
>P2pool requires running a full node,

Sure about that?

>>50629681
>nigger
>woman
>globohomo artstyle
The 3 things I hate the most combined in one

>>50645855
checked, and it tells you all you need to know about that crowd.

>>50623052
DNMs are only a couple billion a year in volume though. It isn't really the levels of adoption needed to dethrone BTC.

>>50645778
Through the GUI? pic rel. Only available on local daemons. IE: running a local node.

Maybe it's possible via command prompt, but we're talking about low investment miners. Unless there is a way to flip this one way or the other with a toggle the average minexmr miner isn't going to know CLI or tweaks to p2pool mine without needing dozens of GB of blockchain data.

>>50646214
DMM success sets an example for ther big boys that might want to join in on the fun.
There absolutely is enough money in shady stuff to make btc irrelevant

>>50634959
I really gotta redo that gif, fix the white edges in the glasses.

>>50634959
>>50646373
There, fixed it. Been meaning to do that since I made it.

>>50640173
I made a drawing of bobo fucking a chart, I think it was of a dogcoin like qom, I was banned for almost a month
biz bans art

I <3 Monero-chan

>>50646240

We need a guide for using remote modes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/wb7a9s/minerxmr_is_shutting_down_august_12th_and/ii6iemk/

>>50646525

Nicely done.

I hear some anon is selling retro vidya and peripherals for Monero....

>>50640766
Wanted to sell a beautiful white painted villa there, but it's still not made public.
Is there such a high delay?

>>50646827
Good thing now we can use https://piconeroj.eu/ for this kind of thing.

>>50631106
L1 privacy smart contracts > Privacy coins.

>>50626643
...

>>50622011
No point comparing the two. Railgun enables on-chain privacy on Ethereum, BSC and Polygon while ZCash is simply a desperate wannabe privacy coin

>>50631572
>>50631749
>>50632200
>>50632413
>>50633690
>>50635160
So are we playing Poker tonight, frens?

>>50648692
>L1 privacy smart contracts > Privacy coins.

lol what is an attack surface?

>>50648852
>So are we playing Poker tonight, frens?

Currently working on the official announcement, stay tuned.

Scheduled for 22:00 UTC aka 06:00 NYC time.

>>50648930
Attack surface?

>>50639696
Banning privacy solutions should not even be a question. Makes no sense, since privacy in itself is supposed to be a standard.

>>50648942
Shiiiiit. I will not make it today.

I dunno how to play poker...

>>50648692
>L1 privacy smart contracts
With a long term focus, in terms of adoption, it's likely to be more accepted

>>50643609
That's fairly optimistic. The recommendation doesn't mean that they will all go to p2pool. I'd say that, realistically, it will take between 6 months to 2 years. It's up to us to continuously push for it.

>>50649061
>Shiiiiit. I will not make it today.

That's simply the time when Poker Club has their regular game night, more people to play with.

I suggest commencing next week we use a rolling schedule that starts earlier to accommodate NZ & Ausfags, so basically ALL Saturday = Poker Night and people can come and go in sync with their respective timezones.

So start time would be, say, 6PM Sydney time and continue the rest of the day until the burgers catch up.

Thoughts?

>>50640396
Why did you delete the threads, bro?

>>50648995
>Attack surface?

Adding extra functionality like smart contracting to a system increases its attack surface, which weakens its privacy guarantees.

>One approach to improving information security is to reduce the attack surface of a system or software. The basic strategies of attack surface reduction include the following: reduce the amount of code running, reduce entry points available to untrusted users, and eliminate services requested by relatively few users. By having less code available to unauthorized actors, there tend to be fewer failures. By turning off unnecessary functionality, there are fewer security risks. Although attack surface reduction helps prevent security failures, it does not mitigate the amount of damage an attacker could inflict once a vulnerability is found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_surface

A new Monero trailer just dropped.

https://is2.4chan.org/wsg/1659184220018018.webm

Second one.

https://is2.4chan.org/wsg/1659184509441355.webm

>>50649284

Do You Want Total War?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCWO8xRv5uQ

>>50649280
The correlation is very weak. The only concern I see with smart contracts is the security risk with bridges. But when that is taken out of the picture, then it's worth it, as long as it enables anonymity.

>>50631655
>>>50645855
Rule 2.) No racism outside of /b/.

>>50649336
>The correlation is very weak.

lol every extra line of code that is running is more real estate for an adversary to probe for vulnerabilities. So why add anything non-essential at all?

That said, I don't actually mind smart contracts as long as they're not being added to Monero.

Is there anywhere I can buy XMR for other crypto that's not on a CEX?

>>50649341
stfu, nigger, kike, spic, pajeet, beaner, gook, nip, chink and etc...

>>50649225
Sounds good to me. Hope anons join. VoIP would be awesome too. Jitsi is cool and end-to-end encrypted.

>>50649284
Based and Kriegpilled.

>>50649464
>VoIP would be awesome too. Jitsi is cool and end-to-end encrypted.

Great idea. Is it easy to set up and use? Like somebody just creates a room and everybody else joins?

>>50649225
Yes, this is the best for all parties.

>>50649506
>Is it easy to set up and use?
Yes, no account required.

>>50649447
Lmao based

>>50649438
localmonero.co find a peer on the cryptocurrencies tab

>>50649284
Based

>>50621545
>three burgers
how fucking fat are you

>>50621545
>>50649872
Monerochan getting high carb gains.

>>50649872
They lift together and they want to bulk before it gets cold.

>>50651230
Pretty good stuff, could use less bugman stuff and more Monero-chan though

>>50651518
i agree, i snagged this from the board a month or so ago, been meaning to edit it

*****/XMR/ Monero General Poker Night*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Poker Night*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Poker Night*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Poker Night*****

Hang out and play Texas Hold'em with fellow MoneroChads safely over an anonymized network and hopefully win some XMR along the way! 100% zero KYC!!!

>WHEN
22:00 UTC

06:00 PM New York City
00:00 Berlin
08:00 AM Sydney

Starting next week Poker Night will commence much earlier to accommodate players from different time zones.


>WHERE
Poker Night will alternate between Poker Club and XMR Poker to give both services traffic. This week Poker Club is the designated host while XMR Poker is the backup should there be technical issues or all rooms reach capacity.

Neither service requires JavaScript.

>Poker Club
http://pokerggxmrvzecuo6afhucjwdljuve5eoavxdxdr6zedyejd6mvz5wad.onion

>XMR Poker
http://xmrpoker3icphjr7c6dgct3by44ph4xvxrds4jzwjkjh7h2owdf6icyd.onion

Be sure to read the guides on either site to familiarize yourself with how things work.


>REQUIREMENTS
You will obviously need to download and install the Tor Browser to access the darknet.

https://www.torproject.org/download/

You will also need an unknown amount of XMR to play. Don't stake more than you can afford to lose.

Optionally, you can voice chat and coordinate over Jitsi for a more authentic social experience. Jitsi is FOSS and end-to-end encrypted.

https://meet.jit.si/
https://desktop.jitsi.org/Main/Download.html


Note that unlike with clearnet gaming, playing over Tor with Monero is by far the comfiest way to play because your identity, IP address and money trail cannot be established so you don't have to worry about legalities or about the tax man coming to collect his share of your winnings.

Good luck and have fun!!!

>>50623052
>>50646214
>It isn't really the levels of adoption needed to dethrone BTC.
monero marketcap is only $2-3B its nowhere close to dethroning lmao. taking over the darknet is already huge progress for such a small cap

>>50649241
I did not delete the threads. Some one reported each thread 10000 times and it got automatically hidden. They have now been approved.

>>50648598
The delay was due to someone reporting all posts and replies 10K times. It should work now. Can you confirm?

>>50652944
>Some one reported each thread 10000 times and it got automatically hidden.
lol wtf?

>>50649048
consider the desire of governments, police, and banks to track the flow of money. monero interferes with that

Why doesn't my hardware wallet support your coin?

>>50620666
>bitcoiners really expect you to read 36 hours and familiarize yourself with niche tools to achieve a fraction of what we do by default
We literally already made it boys. I know it feels surreal. I know you don't even believe it, even those of you with big bags. But this is it.
This is the energy. The smell of the room. The "vibe" as the zoomers call it. This is the calm before the storm.
2023-2025 you're going to see some serious shit.

>>50653001
merkato asked us to try and break the site, so this isnt surprising

>>50653146
Possibly this.
>>50653001
>>50653042
>>50653073
Can you guys please try and confirm if the tripcodes and secure tripcodes are working per expectations?

>>50653073

It was over for Bitcoin the moment it lost the confidence of actual OPSEC gurus, which makes all the "muh Lightning Network/L2" cope that much more amusing.

>>50640396
was it your intention to support animated pngs? As they seem to work fine.

>>50653584
It was not intended. It appears to be a feature of TinyIB of which piconeroj.eu is a vanilla fork.

>>50653073
>2023-2025 you're going to see some serious shit.
Next year TM.
In all seriousness everyone with half a brain know btc is dinosaur that is fucked long term.
The only question is if it's dead is going to kill all crypto or not, but I'm optimistic it won't since monero has genuine use case even tho it's a niche market.

Does someone here also use r-ddit?
Could you please create a post on r/monero and r/moneromarket announcing piconeroj.eu?

Thanks.

>>50654195
Bitcoin will destroy the market, but it is a necessary purge. Everything will fall, but what will "rise" from the aftermath are the genuine projects with real world usecase, like Monero. This is crucial for the crypto market in the long run. People will generally become more careful before putting money on projects.

A lot will happen, I'll have money ready when that time comes to buy XMR at an amazing discount.

>>50654195
I think Monero will really kickstart if they introduce CBDC. I think even normies want to avoid being tracked on every purchase

This is what happened after i announced piconeroj.eu on matrix

>>50654464
>>50655077
Why make it just for selling? I'd love a lainchan ype of board but for monero/privacy related topics, also it's open source it could just be forked

>>50655200
Making a lynxchan board is on my potential to-do list as part of monero.place/monero.press

>>50655077
You need some form of moderation anon.
For example, make them fill a form according to the needs of a consumer or buyer. Perhaps an algorithm to figure out if its legit or not.

>>50655268
Having an exclusive image board would definitely be interesting, but I'm not too sure about the amount of posts it would get, as there are already technical image boards, although not with too much talk about Monero. Also if you are making an image board, please adopt the "no-external memes" guideline of nanochan. It's just a much better experience and encourages the development of inside memes.

>>50655200
It is not just for buying/selling. Individual 'boards' have already been installed and tested.
For example lounge.piconeroj.eu will be about discussion butiko.piconeroj.eu/art will be about buy/sell ads of art and so on.

>>50655480
There will be loungue.piconeroj.eu once it hits a critical mass of users.

>>50655077
>NIG GER
Based

Idiot here.
I really like the concept of Monero and would like to put my savings into it eventually for .
That being said I don't see why one would want to speculate with it.
It's got utility but why would I want to buy and hold for the sake of making profit?

>>50655359
>make them fill a form according to the needs of a consumer or buyer.
That is in the works. It will be applied once the number of users hit triple digits.
> You need some form of moderation anon.
I will ask around for volunteers once the number of posts hit more than I can manage.

>>50655750

You're absolutely right, don't buy Monero, dog memes seem more your thing.

>>50655787
Gotcha.
I'll be back no later than 30 years from now.

>>50655975

Make sure to spread the word!

made this this morning
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSD7oN_QIME

>>50656392
Kek, so cute!

>>50655480
ehh, someone has already bought xmrchan.org and monerochan.org without building anything on either.

>>50655769
>That is in the works. It will be applied once the number of users hit triple digits.
Cool, get it up dude. I'm sure it'll be better in the future.
>I will ask around for volunteers once the number of posts hit more than I can manage.
Would you be opposed to introduce a small fee so that you pay the moderator(s)?

>>50653073
Jfc what the hell is this picrel

>>50649048
The ban of privacy will leave so much to be desired because there is literally no projects that can replace onchain privacy across multiple chains that privacy protocols provide.

>>50658084
>across chains
You don't get it. In a world panopticon, all chains except Monero and whatever standard chain CDBCs / tokenized securities exchanges are built on will go to zero.

Is monero an investment for most users or is it actually used as a decentralised currency for buying/selling?

>>50658450
Monero is a decentralized, anonymous, private and censorship-resistant cryptocurrency. It is not an investment nor a ponzi. No moon faggots allowed.

>>50658450
Its mostly used as an investment, hence the baggies who shill it all over the fucking internet.

The transaction count is people transferring xmr between exchanges to use a speculative trading instrument.

Every once in a while one of those transactions is used for a darknet marketplace

>>50658625
So monero is a cult?

>>50658683
That's sad
Are there any cryptocoins that haven't just been made into a get rich quick investment scheme?
I'm confused why Luke Smith shills Monero

>>50658714
Same reason why most people get in. Monero has the closest narrative associated with bitcoin (biggest competitor). And Monero has a smaller marketcap, so there is potential for larger gains. Once you buy in to a token, you become free marketing labor for that coin/token.

Cryptocoins that arent actual ponzi are the ones where you have to buy it to use network resources, mainly, compute or storage or both.

>>50658818
>Cryptocoins that arent actual ponzi are the ones where you have to buy it to use network resources, mainly, compute or storage or both.

This is called AWS and is basically free

>>50658916
Aws is neither per.issionless or censorship resistent, nor can it be used to transfer a real currency like USD

>>50659410
It transfers USD from you to AWS.

>>50659410
>set up wireguard on AWS
>link to phone
>send paypal transaction
You're right about it not being permissionless but that's a tradeoff to have something that actually works. You can't use any of these smart contract platforms the way you use AWS

>>50659589
Huh?

Lambda supports javascript, there are smart contract chains that support javascript.

>>50659606
Can it run cryptokitties without crashing the network or $500 gas fees?

>>50659861
No. Lambdas can only run for 15s at a time.

>>50649284
Seem to me like Monero is going obsolete and does not really have some easiness that RAIL brings the privacy niche, for example , th is not token gated so you dont need to hold the coin to be able to ave access to privacy

If I had a button to kill every shitcoiner I would break my finger pressing that button.

moneromarket.io - similar to Ebay but with monero payments only. Anyone can buy and sell

>>50658450
Monero can be multiple things. Primarily it's a currency.

>>50658683
>The transaction count is people transferring xmr between exchanges to use a speculative trading instrument.
Most transactions are pvmpp
p2p or DN purchases

>>50660876
No illegal items allowed

>>50656392
Very comfy song choice + video, great work anon <3

>>50660876
Looks very nice.
Is Tor/VPN/noJS allowed?

>>50661660
Thank you for the support. VPNs are fine, the site is only available on the clearnet. No JS is not yet support but we may look into that.

The mods have prevented me from posting on r/monero. Not sure why they are being like this. Cheers

>>50661766
plebbit is owned by the Chinese Communist Party

>>50660152

Monero is obsolete but Failgun isn't any better, Zcash has the tech AND the team that will propel it to the moons of Jupiter.

Too bad biz doesn't get it yet....but they will.

>>50658698
No. It is only a tool.

>>50648692

Look into Zcash shielded assets.

>>50643202

Zchads know the score.

>>50662702
I had to, now coom to your (You)

>>50662810

Sneed in obscurity, pedocoiner.

>>50662702
>>Zchads know the score.

XMR-only markets: 8
ZEC-only markets: 0

>Z.Cash chads
>Z-Cash General tanks within a few hours with: Archived 15 / 5
Lol.

>>50663162

Cope. The darknet is insignificant compared to Wall Street. Enjoy having zero institutional adoption.

reminder to add "zcash" and similar variations of it to the filterlist

I love how these faggots forget that transnational organized crime is a multi-TRILLION dollar industry that doesn't have to play by the rules.

>>50663281

You still don't understand: all these markets and use cases will end up in Z-Town on account of the visibly superior tech and dev team, not to mention clear regulatory status.

Monero is basically on borrowed time and we can expect a flippening within the next couple of years.

>>50662962
Why tf do zcash fags advertises their coin by claiming their privacy coin is not being used by criminals? If you're so sure about that, is it really private?

>>50663351

Because no darknet/criminal adoption supposedly makes it easier to market to regulated exchanges and Establishment finance.

They're basically sell-outs with no interest in actually fighting a revolution.