/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50546294
Without overpopulation, there is no justification to eat bugs.

>>50546303
there is no overpopulation, there is fucked up wealth distribution coupled with crazy money printing

>>50546303
Makes sense.
Musk is acting like not having kids should be criminalized. Seems like we have enough people on the planet already to me

I don’t think there’s enough people to kill in a mass ritual slaughter to bring upon whatever weird occult bullshit they’re up too. And that’s basically the only reason this is being allowed even on the “fringe” right wing. Because they definitely want us eating bugs and think there are too many of us.

>>50546322
Our economic system not being able to support more people in its current state is over population.
Until they fix the problems you mention, why should I add to the problem?

>>50546322
>there is no overpopulation

>>50546294
Anyone who says "overpopulation" isn't real obviously never been in traffic.

They need competent people to prop up the economy but most first world countries are dying due to its hyper competitive materialistic nature and complex economic stucture. Its a paradox because they need productive people and consumers but this also results in dead societies where only the best can reproduce.

You ever wonder why Roe v Wade was randomly overturned now and why China ended their one child policy in 2015?

>>50546338
>>50546359
>>50546368
All great points. I align with this more than the BS musk is spewing

Elon is literally using this as an excuse for his degenerate coomer lifestyle of having so many random kids (many of whom hate him and 1 is unironically a troon) and chuds online are buying it. Dont get tricked by his african culture of having multiple baby mamas and being an absent father. Quality over quantity when it comes to children

>>50546372
Too late! Once thr demographic death spiral starts its no longer reversible. Well hope they like their African and Pajeet imports.

>>50546391
I think he has a point.
In order to generate talent or anything you first need to be able to generate life itself. A system where people can't generate life is inherently broken.
But this is the where the nature of corporate capitalism and hyper competition comes in and breaks everything.
First you have people that specialize so well they can literally game entire systems for vast amounts of wealth.
Then they manipulate the system in their own favor and create worse conditons for the plebs (declining wages, high real estate cost, high wealth to raise kids in decent non-nigger cattle hood). They force women to go into unis and jobs to contribute to their economy but it cripples them and creates a female dominated pussy society where gender norms are out of balance.
Europe and NA are already done.
Elite imported way too many mud people and raped its own middle class.
Know many competent 30-40 year old engineers/compsci/business folks that will never have a family.
Hopefully the imports will do a good job.

Our economy is based on an ever increasing population. This was reasonable at the time this system was put into place, now things are different. If natives can't provide the numbers, government will *fix* the problem with massive immigration. What's your choice?

>>50546294
I'd love to have kids. Too bad houses in canada cost 1 mil in a city and 350k in a shithole with no jobs.

>>50546484
The government and its handlers are directly responsible for low birth rates.
They are the ones forcing women to go to uni and take on jobs.
They are the ones culturally subverting the masses.
They are the ones breaking social structures.
They are the ones turning everything into a complex economic zone where even people with two degrees have a hard time financially.
Turns out you can't just continuously rape the populace for growth and efficiency and also expect population sustainment.

>>50546538
I guarantee if you had kids they would not end up homeless. Stop making excuses and start breeding.

>>50546603
Canada is one of the lowest fertility places on the planet (if you don't count the imports). Canadian women are highly arrogant, entitled, whiney, whorish, and also kinda gross.

>>50546294
Problem is they don't see correlation.
>People must be having less kids because they're selfish
Or maybe because it's unaffordable. Or maybe because you told them to focus on their careers instead, etc.
>>50546352
According to the recent census, birth rates in the US are the lowest they've ever been in the nation's history.
>the U.S. birth rate fell 4% last year, the largest single-year decrease in 42 years, to the lowest level since statistics began more than a century ago.
If you're talking about Asia and Africa, yes. But the US has the reverse problem.

Pysop to call sterilization a lifestyle choice. They'll shame you as they destroy you.

>>50546538
>>50546623
> maybe because it's unaffordable
This is the biggest reason not to have kids for me
Maybe if I had $10 million I would feel differently but boomers could work a factory job, pay for their kids college, let the wife stay home and not expect medical bills to bankrupt them.
Times and costs have changed while wages haven’t gone up faster than inflation
Also overpopulation doesn’t mean population growth
The current population could decrease and we would still have too many people
I don’t think population is unique and only goes down or up. Population growth is dependent on many socioeconomic factors
The population death spiral is a myth because future generations can always start reproducing like previous generations if things improve

>>50546322
The birds and bugs would disagree.

We could support 20 billion if we had some one-race lebensraum paradise with 1860s tech+fertilizer and every woman barefoot, but that’s not the reality. The reality is we raze all the wilderness and kill all life to have mexicans build suburbs for niggers to rob and in which goys may slave.

The world had a pretty good equilibrium going before the Holocene.

population collapse is a PC way of saying "there's not enough white people"

>>50546696
Except they will never improve because the gov will just import people. They want you to have lower wages, more competition, etc.

>>50546706
Not enough competent people really. Asians are also going through the same collapse. You simply cannot have secular highly economic zones with female liberation and a sustainable birth rate.
Immigration also creates a further death spiral since r-selected species will suck up social services faster and murder the compent species on a cultural level.
Everything post 1960-1980 is basically a get-rich-quick pyramid scheme.

>>50546294
Elon needs more cattle to buy his slop. That's all it comes down to. It turns out that if you run the economy into the ground for the lesser classes in a first world country, people stop breeding. Crazy isn't it? Not like people were having trouble fucking in the 50s, 60s, or 70s in the West.

>>50546807
I think it's a self-correcting problem. The system has simply become too complex to be compatible with traditional western society. So there's this disconnect and the younger generations can't get a foothold. Either some major collective compromise needs to be made to mating, or the system will have to undergo some localized collapse to simplify it.

>coppulation /pol/lapse

>>50546901
It will not collapse due to mass imports.
As it turns out other species are far more accepting of slavery and poor conditons than first worlder europeans/asians.
Why do you think all the trillion dollar firms are so obsessed with ESG and diversity?
They know the first world demographics are done for.
What will actually happen is simple.
For the masses, life will simply get worse and worse. Less material wealth, longer working hours, more mental and physical illness, lack of stable communities, etc. The wealthy class will absorb the best of the world and live in complete comfort in isolation from the trash of the world.

>>50546332
Congrats you naturally unselected yourself

>>50546294
Yes, world population will peak in 2030 and by 2055 it'll be approximately half what it is today.

>>50547016
>The wealthy class will absorb the best of the world and live in complete comfort in isolation from the trash of the world.
Even the wealthy have trouble believing that. They can't even come to a consensus on which country to hide away in if SHTF with their 24/7/365 emergency private jets.

>>50547016
No, what a shitty nihilistic perspective. there are diminishing returns on imported labor, and not everything hinges on that either. europe is ending chain migration too. they can't contain the economic shitstorm anymore. along with the war in Ukraine. life will be different by fall.

>>50547112
They can afford to live on private isolated islands you don't even know exist.
>>50547166
How can they stop migration if a ton of their ruling class is composed of migrants that want more migrants? Look at the UK or US for example.

Well I mean who’s gonna pay for their social security and Medicare

>>50547211
Lmao alright Epstein

>>50547047
Good
Some of us don’t want to pass on our genes
My family is fucked up

>>50547047
It’s always the dumbest people who have the most kids
This idiot is probably a super proud bozo who shits on his country every chance he gets but he still needs to reproduce because durr must pass on my genes

>>50546294
GOD NO!!! The root of the world's problems from the environment, to famine, to pandemics and wars is the fact that the human population has exceeded the carrying capacity for its ecosystem. Musk just wants a bigger disposable workforce he can profit off of.

>>50546901
capitalism is not currently compatible with biology. now i truly believe that if you work hard and invest you will make money eventually, but it might not be until 40 or 50, and by then its too late biologically. so us millennials are faced with two options, have kids poor, but then you are stuck poor forever and your kids will be stuck poor too. or wait til you can build a career which takes decades these days.

>>50546549
>Turns out you can't just continuously rape the populace for growth and efficiency and also expect population sustainment.
don't worry, the niggers on welfare, mexican landscapers, and african savages will replace all the doctors and engineers. fiat money wasn't a failure, if people can't save then they are more productive. clearly the entitled middle class are not having children because of their white priviledge. we don't need skilled breeding stock anyways, we can solve this by printing more money for Israel and Ukraine.

>>50546294
Theyre right in a way of using advil to help a dying limb.

Smarter people tend to have less kids because they unconsciously realize the ponzi like system that we live in. All western nations are on a decline including china because people are catching on. Look at countries that have exploding births.

>>50546322
fuck you

>>50546294
This is literally capitalist propaganda. The drive to increase population is to ensure a massive oversupply of workers so we never have any leverage in bargaining for higher wages and can be fired/replaced at a moment's notice. This is also ultimately the rationale for GOP ensuring that poor people in conservative states wont have access to abortion and many useful types of contraception, while the rich can take a week or two to travel elsewhere and get their guts vacuumed like Ivanka Trump did

>>50546347
how are they not? in the USA atleast, honest question. Thr christian ministry gives out more free food than I can eat each month, and if zoning laws were less stupid I think housing wouldn't be such an issue or overpriced here. Other countries? I'm not sure, maybe thats what you mean.

>>50547650
They video calls out people getting abortions too
You’re dead on brother
They’re trying to shame us into having a family of 5-10 so we work 3 jobs

>>50547660
You think they are fixing things?
It really seems like things are getting better to you?
You must be young and naive

>>50546347
This is cucked thinking and wrong. The current system is more than capable of supporting the world population--- terrible wealth distribution is the essence of capitalism and ensures that there is always artificial scarcity that keeps people thinking that we need to keep laboring and expanding. Read up on BF Skinner's behavioral sink and his experiments where he created a full city for mice enclosed in a lab. The idea is that this city provided the mice with more than enough resources for all of them to thrive and be happy, but what happened was that small groups of the mice found ways to hoard those resources and cut the rest off from them so only those few could have them. This behavior resulted in the total collapse of the colony

>>50547712
> terrible wealth distribution is the essence of capitalism
That is current system idiot
You guys act like op referred to the size of the planet
Anons point was the socioeconomic system needs to be fixed
The same pints you make dumbfuck

>>50547016
It wont work with mass importation. The speed of the internet & information will have people at best come to make money and then leave.

Even if you convince the first generation, second generation & beyond will nope the fuck out. This is happening now. Problem is simple, people get smarter and wiser and they cut back.

>>50547712
you missed the point and then proved his point with your mouse model
the way we are currently running shit is not sustainable
look around you, everything is poisoned, trash building up, the whole world is miserable, working longer hours and more jobs with increased productivity because of the uneven wealth distribution

>>50546294
Who's gonna wageslave in Tesla's factories if you don't have kids? Now be a good goy and have five.

>>50547166
>europe is ending chain migration too.
1M migrants just showed up in Italy today.

>>50547780
You're right, I read his post too quickly. I agree that the current mode of production is unsustainable but I do think there is more than enough resources/wealth for the working class to live in much better conditions while working considerably less and also producing and consuming a lot less

>>50546294
This isn't /pol/ chud. Wrong board

>>50546322
Indians and nigerians would disagree with you. Their population explosion is a byproduct of production and demand from other countries and would implode without it

>>50546619
Why are they like this?

>>50547832
I agree with that but have no faith in the people who run this world
>>50547839
What the fuck are you even talking about? Population and demographics have a direct on economics
Are you a glowie or just sensitive?

>>50547839
stop trying to misdirect people
op was asking an economic question and the issue is being championed by musk under the guise of future economic development

>>50547904
The fell for the (((propaganda)))

>>50546294
Jordan Peterson is on Ben Shapiro's payroll. That's all I'm saying

>>50547959
Likewise. That's why I believe in the right to own guns and the need for the working class to organize. This better future with equitable division of wealth and resources will never be voted or asked into existence

>>50546719
This.

>>50546294
>people here unironically worship these people ?
peterson is a mental case

>>50546696
>Population growth isn't actually stagnating if you look at it on the socioeconomic factor chart
You're gonna have to explain that one to me. Smaller population means less people paying into the system.
>>50546719
Shrinking population is one of the reason they have become reliant on importing people. With enough people paying into the system, it isn't sustainable.
They're not just importing people because they hate you. They want these people to pay taxes
>they know they won't
The reason the government funds English language programs and job skills programs, which are free for immigrants, is the end goal being they get a job and pay taxes.

>>50548321
>*Without enough people paying

>>50546294
only sexy people should have more kids

change my mind

>>50548321
You misquoted his post because you don’t understand what he said. It’s pretty clear he was saying population doesn’t need to or shouldn’t grow
They don’t need population growth for taxes, they just increase the debt
Or charge more taxes on consumption
Or return to tariffs
Or better yet cut spending
Or best of all stop paying central banks interest to create money from nothing

You guys are so cucked you think a debt based system is the only way.
Fiat is trash and income taxes were instituted when money was backed by gold
After the ending of the gold standard, income taxes became unnecessary

>>50546294
dude your head is up your ass pretty bad.
nothing in society now is "pro-parenthood" hasnt been for at least 2 solid decades now.
none of these corporations want anyone who isnt in their cabal to have kids.

>>50547685
I mean "how are we not able to support our current level of population?"

>>50548321
We have a shrinking population because of hyper competitive capitalism and anti-natalist culture to maximize the economy (women are free, women must study/work, men are socially crippled, have to compete with the entire world for limited local jobs).

>>50547959
>umm are you a glownigger??? just let me post in my thinly veiled nigger hate thread??
only thing worse than wignats is closeted wignats trying to intellectualize it beyond saying nigger being funny
smoothbrain faggot

I CANT BREED (unironically)

>>50546332

white and asian middle-class is the backbone of the world economy. hopefully african starvation reduces population to manageable levels, but here in the US basketball americans will grow and crowd out the tax-generating middle class by helping to drive up prices through reliance on EBT, sec 8 housing, medicare, welfare, etc.

elon runs a tech company which survives on the backs of upper class whites and asians. he's a asshole but he's not wrong calling for certain people to marry and reproduce.

>t. nonewhite

>>50546347
you're wrong and you should only add to the nonexistant 'problem' if you want kids instead of gimping yourself over some low-tier breeding fud
breedlets should just shut the fuck up and stay out of it, you're not part of some moral crusade, and you're opinion is not wanted like all those kids you supposedly refuse to have in your wonderful and fulfilling life which is so great that you don't anyone else to witness

In the 90s they told us that shit was all fucked up because of overpopulation. Now they tell us that we need to import hundreds of millions of people from the third world. what a joke.

>>50546294
Not if you are not white you shouldn't.

>>50546294
Yes. Basically the domestic population of every first world nation and some first world nation peripherals need to all raise their replacement rate or the world is going to be a huge globohomo shithole with Indians and Africans and assorted other similars making up the majority of the population.

>>50548064
Wealth inequality creates an economic calculation problem.