/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50519978
Because it gets hot for like 2 days a year and you think "man I wish I had AC" then it goes back to normal and you think "Meh I don't need it"

>>50519978
jesus asmongold has cleaned up

>>50519978
I don't invest in AC either. Imagine paying money for a machine, so you can pay more money for electricity. Instead, I train my mind and soul to suffer through the heat that god delivers to me.

>>50520172
That’s styxenhammer ypu mong

>>50519978
because electricity is like 30 yuro cents a kWh, also they killed a lot of their nuclear plants and fossil fuel infrastructure so the grid probably couldn't handle it.

>>50519978
I got one of them mobile units for €200 years ago but I almost never have to use it because my house is actually built well unlike American plywood shacks.

Never needed them in the past and suddenly installing them is expensive now

>>50520331
And honestly so far I didnt even need one this summer and I live in the middle of yurope, we had some hot days approaching 40 degrees C but then at night it was cold so my apartment didnt warm up that much
In the past there were individual days where an AC might have been useful but its kinda a waste of money to buy it and just use it like 5 days a year

>>50519978
What do you mean europeans don't invest in AC? they do, actually, it's just very few euros who do it, they probably invest far more in useful things like i don't know, lovelace and staking on loveloot. As for me, the AC actually gave me the flu a couple of times, or just straight up a snotty nose, it's just not worth it. Their infrastructure most likely wouldn't be able to handle it.

>>50519978
Anon it's a bad investment. You should know this.

>why dond yurobeans hab ac? :D :D
I got a portable one so I can run it before bed after a hot day. My apartment gets to 28+ C even on a relatively cool day.

>>50519978
>Why don't they consume instead of learning about human temperature and blood flow

>>50520163
This, just open windows for those 2 days.

Germany has no energy and their coal plants can't keep up to run AC. G*rmans are retarded.

>>50520178
>i change my own genome to face new environmental challenges

>>50519978
because it'd only be useful for 1-2 months where we mostly just use fans instead, is it really that much hotter in burgerland, or how often do you use it? installation and maintenance seem annoying

>>50520178
This. I stopped using AC this year. It's been going pretty well. Some days are a bit hot, but it's nothing horrible. Just suck it up a little bit.

>>50519978
Because the scientists say it is bad for the environment and it contributes to climate change.

>>50520163
>Because it gets hot for like 2 days a year and you think "man I wish I had AC" then it goes back to normal and you think "Meh I don't need it"
This. And our houses are insulated better because they are not build out of paper.

Pic related enrages and confuses the american.

>>50519978
Niggers are America's gods. Americans fear niggers like a mortal would fear God. They're not allowed to curse or speak ill of niggers, like how you mustn't blaspheme God or take His name in vain. They devote entire institutions in academia and media to remind themselves of their sins against niggers and beg for mercy, like you'd beg God for forgiveness for your sins. The only landmarks and monuments they're allowed to revere are parks, schools and statues dedicated to famous niggers, immortalized in marble like gods. While their ancestors expressed devotion to gods through offerings of food and drink, present-day Americans created food stamps for niggers for this very purpose. Jesus gets two annual days of reverence, while niggers get an entire month plus MLK's birthday. Americans prostrate themselves in the streets to appease niggers. This is because nigger worship is the official religion of America.

>>50521139
>duude windows lmao
Let me just open the window right now. Yep the air outside is hotter than inside. The only thing that's saving me right now is a fan.

Step 1. Import wog.
Step 2. Give wog fan.

t. Chaim Shekelberg, job creator.

>europoors don't realise that AC/heat pumps can cool and heat

>>50519978
The same reason they don't own cars and houses, They are serfs living in serf quarters, they consume only what is provided to them as pittance.

Because im not a weak faggot who's scared of a bit of hot or cold. Your parents probably didn't have central heating growing up, they wouldve had single pane glass windows which froze on the inside during winter when they were kids and they didn't complain.
Toughen the fuck up you queer cunts
Man cannot remake himself without suffering, for he is both the marble and the sculptor
Making it means more than just numbers in your bank account lads

>>50521235
>they don't own cars and houses
germans don't represent entire europe

>>50521159
>Let me just open the window right now. Yep the air outside is hotter than inside. The only thing that's saving me right now is a fan.
Confused and enraged.

>>50521140
>>50521273
what's that I can't hear you over the sound of my AC blasting keeping me cool
sounds like you have heat stroke and need a doc who can see you in 8 months for free

>>50519978
Because we would use it for like 5 days a year

>>50521139
Yo is the 3rd mode real?

>>50521854
>Yo is the 3rd mode real?
I have never seen 3rd mode in real life. But it probably is. Also not sure when you would use 3rd mode.

>>50520163
>>50520735
>>50521139
i live in côte d'azur and it's been 27 degrees IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT for the last 2 weeks lmao
literally everyone around here is starting to buy and run those shitty portable AC units
i doubt you shitmunchers are actual europeans

>>50522114
>close shutters during the day
>exchange air during the night
t. Dachgeschosswohnungsbewohner

>>50522135
>alien language
dismissed
krauts aren't real europeans. you're just barbarians of the cold north

>>50522135
also
>bro just spend your day in the dark with artificial lights on even though everyone works remotely now
>bro just don't enjoy natural sunlight at home even though this was the norm up until a couple years ago and you could keep enjoying it by just getting ac
how about you krauts stop manipulating the eu towards cheap energy for the sake of your net export home economy
i WILL get high-quality air conditioning home installations and i WILL run it anytime we're above 30 degrees and there's nothing you can do about it

>>50520178
Same anon!

>Earth is hot
>Use AC to cool down home
>Earth gets hotter

Why are Americans like this? I'd say the end result of this will be domed cities but I imagine it'll be domed houses instead with some poor nigger inside jabbering about how climate change isn't real.

>>50522169
>bro just don't enjoy natural sunlight at home even though this was the norm up until a couple years ago

This was never the norm. People don't enjoy direct sunlight beaming into their home and you're deluded for thinking that closing curtains/shutters during the day is new.

t.not him

>>50522139
>>50522169
We could be switzerland if it weren't for the french who blackmailed us into the euro.

"Oh no! everyone wants our currency what do we do?"
a) print more and spend it on stocks and infrastructure
b) print more and spend it on southern "europeans"

>>50522114
>lives close to Africa
>European
what did he mean by this

>>50520163
European logic is comfy

im european and i dont care if its hot, when im at home im always in underwear, i dont even turn the fan on because i want to make smoke circles with my vape, people who complain every year about the heat in summer and the cold in winter are not sentient beings

>>50521139
Let me just let all the mosquitos and 95 degree ambient temperature in my house instead of being comfortable.

>>50520163
Okay, but why are your leaders demanding the world eat bugs to lower temperatures by 0.01 degrees if the solution were so simple?

>>50520769
Air conditioners don't really require much maintenance at all. Installation is not particularly difficult or expensive.

>>50521273
ORAH

>>50519978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i61gSKmeQ74

>>50519978
Offense is the best defense, if all attackers are dead, you don't need high AC

moved into an apartment with ac and it’s life changing. sleeping in a cool room is heaven.

>>50519978
Because I live in the alps and it isn't hot here especially during the night

>>50519978
I'm not fat and my house is made of real bricks. I'm comfy up to 30°C, not that my flat ever heats up to more than 27°C anyway. Open all windows at night, keep em closed during the day.

>>50520178
Same. If it breaks 100 for a few days in a row maybe I'll throw in a window unit.

>>50519978
BECAUSE ITS COLD IN EUROPE YOU FUCKING RETARD.

>>50522114
>i doubt you shitmunchers are actual europeans
No, why the fuck would I want to be a Jewish footstool.
You say nigger at work and your life is literally over and Jew boy sends you to prison.

>>50520735
By opening windows with +36c outside ur akshually letting in heat dumbass.
You white trash niggers are no better than the feral champs in muttland.

>>50522114
>>50519978
>>50520163
>Europeans.
Yeah, because Andalusia, Sicily or Crete have same climate as Lapland or Norland.
Some places need it. Some don't. Some buildings need it, some don't Stop generalizing

Europeans are lazy and poor

>>50523623
>letting heat in
>open 2 windows
>have a nice breeze inside
???

>>50521139
This.
Pic rel also enrages and confuses the burgers

>>50521139
I have never seen this kippstellung ever before. literally what is the purpose and advantage over the normal ass kippstellung

>>50521509
Yeah I am confused, how is letting the hot air in supposed to help?

>>50525287
>letting the hor air in
are you retarded? like, actually retarded?

>>50520608
Change the fucking filters you mongoloid nigger.

>>50522950
i dont think europoors get mosquitos desu

>>50525642
Can you not comprehend that air inside can be colder than outside? Is it actually incomprehensible to you?

>>50525642
Followed this convo thinking I'd learn something. Thanks for wasting my time.

>>50526124
exactly

No one has yet answered OP
The answer is : the electricity is expensive in most EU countries so that makes it pricy for most people
Within next year heating our homes to 21 degrees celsius in the winter will become a luxury, it's not going to get better

1000% this

>>50522975
Because Europe's elites are still the illuminati

>>50526312
Electricity wasnt expensive before the ukraine situation and we still didnt get ACs, simply because we don't need it for the 5 days a year they would be on.

>>50520163
..and you think fuck me im fucking freezing

>>50519978
Because we are poor.
Anyone saying anything else is just coping.
If you earn a real salary (€60k minimum) then you buy ac because the two months or heck one month out of the year where it is hot is worth €1.000 to you or whatever it works out as over the lifetime of a unit. If you're poor, like most europeans are, and live on €22k a year which is €15 after tax then you literally cannot afford ac.

€60k might not even be a real salary anymore especially when taxes rape you for half of it.

>>50522069
It is real, i use it sometimes. But it isnt venting as good as the normal variant. I think it helps againts mosquitos or other insects. Also one downside is that the window gets easy shutted by low airpressuredifferences. I learnd this lüftungsmode from my mother, which she told me around 20 years ago.

>>50520163
Its called reverse cycle for a reason you fucking cum guzzling mongoloid.

>>50526389
>€60k might not even be a real salary anymore especially when taxes rape you for half of it.
60k euro gross salary is around 3300 euro after all income taxes paid (in France at least)
So yeah that's still poor

>>50520178
Sweaty Cope big time.
>t. comfy @ 72*

>>50519978
Their 700 year old houses aren’t designed for it

>>50526208
>>50526283
you open the windows at night and let your house cool down, then you keep the windows closed and your house stays cool because it's got double brick walls with wall and double roof insulation unlike american "houses" that are built like sheds

>>50520775
AC prevents mold buildup in your house. I guess you stopped showering too to prevent humidity

>>50521139
homeboy, wtf is that picture.

>>50521139
how?

>>50520178
>I'm going to suffer through this earthquake that god gave to me

shut up christcuck

>>50526856
Doesn't work. The low is 18 C, I leave the windows open and fans on all night (sometimes there's no wind) and the next morning it'll be 24 C inside, getting up to 28 by the end of the day.

>>50519978
Red tape prevents us installing one
Cost

>>50527283
Get a central (ducted) inverter AC system and ditch your gas boiler. Reverse cycle heating is literally the most efficient type of heating there is, you'll save a bunch of money over using gas for heating in the winter, this will offset your summer AC costs.
t. aircon guy

>>50520178
Take the industrial-fan-in-your-living-room pill

>>50527361
I'm a rentoid but I'll screenshot your post for when I buy a house in a year or two.

>>50519978
>invest
Unless you are elderly, heat is not a big issue. If not I could just hang out in a bar drinking better cheaper or beer or coffee than americans while eating better cheaper food. Life is really good.

>>50522114
>27
>hot
lol, anything bellow 40 is not even bothersome

>>50519978
Idk you tell me.

>>50521139
Also this

>>50520163

Holy shit, this

>>50519978
yuropoors still havent invented the AC, dont think they ever fullly recovered from those world wars or something...

>>50528430
Muslims are used to arid climates

>>50527361
What about a air-to-air heat pump system? It can both cool and heat, and heard they are very energy efficient. Worth installing as the only heating source?

>>50519978
Linus is hot. There I said it and I’m tired of pretending he’s not.

>>50528911
He's still wears earrings.

>>50529057
Yea which is weird since he’s not a homosex, has kids and he’s like late 30s

>>50519978
They secretly wish they could, but their 100 year old houses aren't built for it, and despite them talking about insulation itt, their old houses are poorly insulated so ac would cost an arm and a leg with their €0.5/kWh electricity.

>>50526856
>Just let in the 100% humidity air bro
Or you can live in the 21st century and have an air conditioner. They work ridiculously efficiently at night when things get cooler but still balmy and humid outside. Many thermostats can do overcooling down a few more degrees to take advantage of that, which makes sleeping very comfy and lets the thermal mass of the house carry itself through the morning and early afternoon without having to run the aircon at all. This works because houses in the US are extremely well insulated since 20 years ago. Like 2/3rds of every goddamn wall is foam and fiberglass. You should know this since you pricks are always laughing about our 2x6 framing.

>>50528853
Check pic related. If you live in a 30+ zone then a properly sized heat pump can do all your HVAC. If you live in a 20 or lower zone, you will need supplemental heat for a few weeks a year. A lot of people choose to use resistive electric heat for those times, which is the most expensive way to heat generally, but it takes a lot of years of resistive heat on the super cold days to make up the cost of sliding a 20kBTU/hr propane furnace into your HVAC stack.

>europeans actually just lie down and accept subhuman temperaturea of above 15C

holy shit lmao I guess you want to make the climate comfortable for all the niggers and arabs you’re paying to import constantly

>>50519978
> invest in AC
> "invest"
it's called "spending".
AC doesn't yield a return.

Why is this thread still going? wtf

>>50530076
>Just let in the 100% humidity air bro
why don't you relocate to any place intended for humans to inhabit then?

imagine living somewhere where the weather is so unbearable you basically have to 24/7 live in closed off indoor cuckboxes to feel remotely comfy

>>50530138
I live in new england, surrounded by forest and lakes. When it's 35C in the day, the air fills with water and gets up to 75% Rh. That makes for a dew point of just 30C. That's fucking awful. Trying to sleep with everything being damp, sweating but it does nothing because the air is saturated. It's awful. I remember well what life was like when I was a kid in a dirt poor family, and air conditioning was something I felt in stores only. Fuck that. I can spend a few hundred a year on having a consistent temperature in my house in the summer.

>>50530076
I live in Denmark in a 2 story house and really want some AC for the summer, but it would be extremely nice if it could double as my only heat source in the winter too. The avg jan/feb temps here are like 32-37 F with the coldest days usually 15-25 F.

Would a system like pic related run as a multisplit throughout the house (say, 2-3 indoor units) be enough for my heating needs? I should probably call a professional lol, I'd still like your opinion tho.

>>50530239
you didn't even answer my question. why keep living in that hellhole?

>>50530242
That unit is listed as 3kW cooling and 6kW heating capacity. That may be enough for denmark. Looking it up, your climate is 0C average night time low and -20C minimum, with the high being around 30? A heat pump like that, I'd expect to cover 120 m^2 in a properly insulated home. You would surely skirt the limits of the machine on the coldest days, and may even need to use electric space heat on the few days a year where it drops to -10 or lower. What is your current heating solution?

>>50530298
I am actually moving, but I'm going somewhere warmer lol. New england winter is terrible. As to why I haven't left until now? Family, work, friends, money. Why doesn't everyone live in the ideal places of the world? The answer used to be that moving across the world was impossible. Now it's that there are too many goddamn people so competition for good areas is steep (much more expensive than some climate control), and everything is all formalized so you can't just hop countries.

>>50530242
I live in the Netherlands and have a split unit for my living room (80m2) and my bedroom (20m2). The outside unit is a 5KW unit and is capable of cooling everything on 35 degrees (95 degrees for burgers) days. I also have a separate split unit for my office which works fine of course. I can’t tell you how well it would heat, as we have floor heating (with water) throughout the house.

>>50530347
Yeah those temps are right on the mark. The days over 30C are pretty rare, but become unbearable because our houses here are built primarily to stay warm in winter.

I don't know what the US equivalent is, but I have remote heating distributed by a "gas furnace" (not sure that's the correct term?) to radiators in the house. Like pic related.

It doesn't do anything for cooling, but don't know if a heatpump system would be more energy efficient for winter heating. I'm kind of stupid when it comes to this stuff.

>>50530457
Awesome can you tell me how much you pay in energy? Like cooling your house on a hot summer day, how much does it cost per hour to have it regulate the temperature to comfortable levels? if you know.

>>50520769
You don't need to use your AC year round, and by not doing so you actually extend the life of it dramatically, I use mine usually through mid/late may through mid/late sept, but I live in Texas, during the rest of the year I don't really need to use it and just open the windows, when it IS hot however I am thankful to God in heaven that I have it and pray every day that It doesn't go out

>>50520178
That's fine anon but you need to monitor the humidity in your home, you could end up with serious mold, mildew or insect problem with high humidity. my house before i bought it had crazy moisture problem and i had to replace basically everything wood in the house, all the floor joists, all the subflooring, most of the center beam, the floor seals and shit because it was allowed to sit like that with high moisture levels in the house for like 15-20 years. floor was literally falling in in places.

Redpill me on those Vornado fans, are they actually more effective than a normal fan is it all just shilling?

>>50519978

Eurotrash will be begging for American gas this winter while they cannibalize the weak and old in the streets. They won't be able to afford AC.

I got some fine American gas if they want it cheap. Pic rel.

>>50530076
>100% humidity
Lmao niggercountry

>>50530116
the only anon who understood
god bless u anon

>>50528853
>What about a air-to-air heat pump system
That's literally what an AC is.
>Worth installing as the only heating source?
Yes, it's the most efficient type of heating you can get. Any reverse cycle air conditioner will be more efficient at heating than cooling, because the way they work is they generate heat by compressing a gas in the condenser, then they dissipate the gained heat through a stack of fins and let it condense into a liquid, then they send that liquid to the evaporator and let it expand (drop pressure), and as you know gases cool as they expand. When you're using it for heating, your indoor unit will act as a condenser and you'll gain almost all of the heat that you've produced.

>>50521139
What on earth is this witchcraft???

>>50521139
Yeah let me just open my windows when the dew point is 75° f (24 C) outside and turn my house into a sauna.

>>50530116
Being in ideal room temperature/humidity leads to higher productivity and learning speed. So yes it's an investment yuropoor.

>>50520200
>tfw pay the highest electricity rate in the states and it's 25.6 freedom cents/kwh
i still put the ac on, pleb

>>50520178
Take the Jesus pill

>>50521139
>thinking this is how insulation works
this is just euro cope

>>50519978
does /biz/ consider Linus rich?

>>50533280

I am a Canada friend and we are on Hydrodams. I pay 0.05 cents per Kw.

>>50532880
>I pay money for ac so I can be more "productive" and make more money for my boss mr shekelstein
americans are deranged

>>50522840
Côte D'azur you fucking burger, not Côte D'Îvoire you massive niqqerfaqqot

>>50524170
The breeze will be hotter than your body temperature, it will just make things worse.

>>50527097
I'm not christian, and a small heatwave is not the same as a fucking earthquake you pansy.

>>50519978
>Why don’t europoors invest in AC?
Too poor, any other reason they give is pure cope. If they could afford air conditioning, they'd've bought it years ago instead of trying to find excuses for why they don't need it.

>>50532008
Literally the second whitest state in the US

>>50522114
KEK 27°C is actually cold from where I'm from.

>>50530787
My electricity bill isn’t representative for actual costs on a variable plan I’m afraid. Even with the few days the AC was on full blast for the past month, my electricity bill currently is only 12.15 euros thanks to a very low fixed rate and solar panels. The AC has been on 6 days in the past month.

>>50533378
>Thinks I'm a wageslave
kekw

>>50535011
Disgusting. Imagine the smell.

>>50519978
Get some good devices that can use all that heat energy to do work. You could use it to get some QANX and be alright.

>>50520163
Also, weaker currency now hehehe.

>>50521139
i..is that a window that opens?

>>50522139
You seething manlet frogs will never learn your place, will you?

>>50535011
Checked, my fellow 3rd worlder

>>50530116
It is if your job involves anything with a workstation pc

AC is like 2000€ installed fucking retards even a jeet could afford it. lmao

>>50537661
also you can use the same AC for heating in colder times. Amerimutts are retarded niggers.

>>50537679
I prefer using floor heating over AC during winter though. It’s more comfortable to stand on a warm floor, which the AC doesn’t really get done.

>>50525207
>>50521854
Windows open that way so if there is draft in you house it does not close the windows. It is not for mosquitoes there is net that is add on feature and it sits outside

We do just multi split is not that common because it is more expensive to purchase and maintain multi split that lesst say 4 mini splits. Also multi split is very very expensive if you want a good brand. I personally have 3 daikins like that on the pic.

>>50519978
>yuropoors
>people

kek, no, they live like the animals they are

>>50519978
I'm in Europe and I have it, what's the big deal?

>>50526388
Checked

>>50519978
Building is too old

>>50519978
Because Winter is more prominent than Summer.

Imagine being German and thinking you should spend more of your annual energy bill cooling down rather than staying warm.

AC is maybe good for a large office building since they'll compensate the cost with productivity/output. In a home, it's just an added luxury you'll use for maybe 3/12 months.

>>50519978
i don't get this joke, why would i invest in s o y air instead of just breathing fresh air from outside
>>50522114
27 degrees isn't high

>>50542108
This right here. I'm living in 93 yo building and the outside of the building is protected so you can’t get permits to install ac units. I bought one of those portable units tho. Got friends who live in newer buildings and it's hella less paper work to get the permits in those and they have ac units installed there.