/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50518982
>based Spain
why doesn't anyone chastise norway and sweden for spending 3x as much as spain for almost no improvement?

The deal is American are test subject goyim cattle and their tax dollars go to subsidizing research for other countries. They also are all unhealthy as fuck from the toxic cocktail of pollution, hormone damage, fast food, and a culture centered around being a fat pile of shit that lives in their car to avoid exercise. Finally, they're subjected to a nonstop bombardment of kosher media and social division that causes them extreme nonstop stress which is expensive to even try to treat. In short, they do it for free.

>>50518982
Americans are unhealthy and they have a large non-white population (guess who) that is majority obese.

>frequent shootouts
>frequent violent crime that involves guns
>materialism on overdrive
You tell me

>>50518982
CVICU charge RN here... Beyond the overwhelming amounts of lardasses we have; it's a culture issue that stems from narcissism. Everyone is so important that they cant imagine ever being subject to a medical emergency. Americans have this obsession with life - regardless of how shit the quality. For example, I just spent the last few shifts overseeing care for an 87 year old patient that finally died after 50 days in the CVICU following complications from open heart surgery. Everyone and their mother knew she was deadmeat after she was reintubated on day 7 of her postop recovery. Family didnt give a fuck though and dragged her rotting corpse through hell for 40 more days. This shit happens more often than you think and its a massive financial drain. Here, have a nice little pic of what goes on in an American ICU (patient was alive at the time this was taken)

>>50518982
Poor Americans are literal cattle that eat to their death

>>50518982
>Why doesn’t US healthcare spending seem to matter?

Niggers.

>>50518982
What year is, this from? The 70s?

>>50518982
american healthcare is a jewish scam that seed oil brains love to defend bc cant ever go against israel

>>50518982
The US has the best cancer survival rates, research publications/institutions, one of the best MRI/capita ratings, and some of the most new pharmaceutical drugs developed per year. But it's also extremely wasteful and Americans are unhealthy, so you can't expect a good life expectancy from the average population.

Best healthcare in the world if you're wealthy and healthy already though.

>>50519013
Yes

>>50519629
what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

>>50519298
This is actually the information you'd want to know.

the "dur Americans R dum" narrative breaks apart when you separate by race and you see blacks and hispanics bringing down the average.

However I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't all of the difference. All Americans are ... fat, quite frankly and the fact that it's never been a point of conversation between politicians should be telling. What ever they've done to our food is likely a crime against humanity, that they don't want to face. there are other factors (exercise, etc.) that matter but I'd be surprised if they explained 20% of the difference.

As President I'd hold food manufactures accountable for false advertising leading to the death of millions and likely execute many in the health/pharma/food sectors as crimes against humanity, live on all channels.

Thank you.

>>50519286
how much $ did they spend trying to save that corpse

>>50519642
I literally said nothing that cannot be looked up and proven to be true, you dumb poorfag. Get cancer, and die of it.

>>50519629
This is true, although you will also pay more for treatment than in socialized countries (good thing)

american healthcare spending subsidizes the rest of the world

>>50519742
Same RN here. I would guess a couple hundred thousand dollars. He had multiple amputations and was kept like that in the ICU for about 1.5 weeks until he died.

>>50519782
Yeah, it's very inefficient, partly because the 5 middlemen MBA's are taking their cuts before the money gets to the doctor and pharma cos, and partly because you pay a premium for the spics and blacks who can never pay their medical bills.

>>50518982
South American public healthcare is horrible. Primary care doctors know nothing and treat you incorrectly because they aren't residency trained and if you ever have anything even just a little bit complicated you will have to wait a good half year to see a specialist, even worse if you end up needing some special testing or surgery. You have to buy most medicine yourself.
Everybody goes to private doctors here, it is the only way to get any useful healthcare at all.
It's ironic but southamerican medical system is more capitalistic than the American one.

>>50519742
Even in South America you can usually asume around 1k/day at the ICU.

>>50519700

Whites are the LEAST (BY FAR) affected by being overweight compared to other ethnicities.

>>50519891
If you're not counting east asians because they're too small a demographic that's true. Picrel, average skinny asian.

>>50519891
>graph STARTS at 20

>>50519910

FAT Whites die at lower rates compared to other ethnicities at the same weight.
Being White means your body is optimized for carrying extra weight.

>>50519944
So he's gonna make it?

It's more about lifestyle than medicine. What a surprise

>>50519944
>>50519962
Also it makes sense, cause whites had to hibernate for the winter, probably.

>>50519962
>So he's gonna make it?

No, being morbidly obese will most likely kill you no matter what ethnicity you are.

>>50518982
Here is the actual answer:

Reason 1: Dollars in America are worth less domestically than abroad. Meaning, $100,000 USD worth of currency will get you a lot more stuff in Mexico than USA.

Reason 2: Obesity.

Reason 3: There is diminishing returns of how much capital you can throw at a health issue and how much healthcare you receive. Steve Jobs threw tens of millions at doctors and still died from cancer

>>50520128
Interesting fact, Steve Jobs got a rare gigachad form of pancreatic cancer (already very deadly), basically being all-but smited by god.

>>50519011
Their economy is better off but that doesn't mean quality of life is necessarily better. People use retarded metrics as a means of comparison

>>50518982
>N. America
>LATAM
Those fucking people...

>>50519011
gee dunno maybe it's not all about health expenditure per capita, maybe climate and social environment also play a role here?
stop eating PUFAs, sugar, hydrate, do moderate exercises, get your fucking sleep schedule in check, im not even talking about porn addiction, little by little all that shit take your entire life away.
stop being like other cattle that choose instant gratification over everything else
t. /fit/

US is the world leader of medical and pharmaceutical R&D by an order of magnitude. I read somewhere that when American companies patent new drugs, Euro and Asian companies will pretty much violate the patent and make their own versions super cheap, so the American companies would rather sell drugs and tech for cheap in those areas than sell nothing. To make up for this, American companies use Americans (a massive market with tons of health problems) to make all their money. Wonder how much an impact that has on this

>>50519298
This

>>50518982
It's the spic-nigger cycle at work

>>50519298
fpbp

>>50521615
you sound angry for no reason.

>>50519286
>he thinks being in the ICU ACKCHUALLY costs that much
that's the bill the patient receives. expenses are much lower than you think. most of the money flows to the top or for staff who were going too be working anyway.
t. former hospital managment

>>50519772
yeah thats american healthcare. The reason we have so many cancer survivors is because we have so much cancer due to the stuff they put in our food. look at the stuff thats banned in canada vs USA. colorings, dyes, pesticides. they sell you the cancer and then take everything when you get it. the cost of getting cancer is financially crippling, to the point where medical debt has become the #1 form of debt in america. Your statement "Best Healthcare in the world if youre wealthy and healthy already" isn't true either because even the wealthy know that profits will be prioritized over treatment. anyone who is wealthy does not go to an american doctor, they go to Denmark/France/UK.

>>50518982
Medicare and Medicaid.

In the 90s, hospitals charged public healthcare patients way more than private insurance or payees. Medicare sued Healthcare America (HCA) and they were ordered to pay damages. Now, hospitals charge everyone the same very high price.

Private payees go bankrupt if they incur a huge expense (even insured ones because all insurance in the US has 30% co-pay - could you survive a bill that's 30% of a million dollars?).

Publicly insured people (the poor [niggers], the elderly) do not pay a cent and the government never goes bankrupt.

So they charge $50 for an aspirin, $3000/night in ICU, and $100 for a plastic tube not because you or your insurance will pay for it. They do it because the government always does, and the government doesn't set a price cap (like other socialized systems do).

They write off your bankruptcy on their taxes btw.

>>50522995
This is why there's no middle class btw. Niggers get everything for free, at the expense of the middle class Whites. The only people free from this system are the very rich and government/military employees.

>>50519011
Siestas. Siestas are why. Many people, likely including here, have been memed put of the nap-pill. Naps are extremely good for you.

>>50523006
insanely dumb take, but oldest trick in american politics. the rich get tax cuts, refuse to raise wages, and constantly try to pass legislation that boils down to "more for us, less for you" and then the shrinking middle class is told to blame the poor. there are far poorer countries out there with much better social services then the US. France is a good example. defend money going to israel but complain if it ever goes back to you in any meaningful way

>>50521615
Peatards on my /biz/?

>>50523083
Being poor gets you free shit and being middle class does not. Why work when you are REQUIRED to be poor to get something at all?

You can either be rich enough to afford it, or poor enough to get it for free. Simple as.

>>50519011
norway is literally best in the world. their hospitals are like spaceships and top of the line. the spending is all government spending to the average person appreciates it rather than complains about it. its free to them.

>>50523098
it should be free for the middle class too dumbass, thats what youre missing. the scam is the middle class is being charged for it the first place.

>>50522995
this guy gets it.
also fun tip: just don't pay the hospital instead of going bankrupt. they'll still help you in an emergency and unless you're in a rural backwater there are other options. if you need something, go on a payment plan, pay a little, get your procedure done then go back to not paying. lel
>inb4 only niggers don't pay their bills
the jew cries out in pain as he strikes you

>>50518982
Healthcare doesn’t equate to longer life expectancy. You should see the shit we eat here in America. We’re all addicted to sugar and junk. Half the population is obese.

>>50523118
>the scam is people paying for goods and services
Without medicare and medicaid, it would be affordable to begin with.

I live in Germany and the service here is a nightmare. You get treated like shit. You pay a % of your income, so if you make more you pay more for the same treatments.

My wife had a fucking pregnancy scare and we had to stay outside the hospital at 2am with a crackhead whore because they wouldn't let us in during COVID.

I will forever be against socialized medicine. Fuck poor people, and fuck you.

>>50518982
first of all your chart is useless because life expectancy doesn't correlate with healthcare services in the first place
main point, government intervention in US healthcare has created the incentive to charge higher prices without delivering anything different, because the end-user who carries the policy doesn't ultimately pay
yurops don't seem to understand that they just look on reddit and see some retard leftist complaining about a very high bill. that faggot redditor either never posts his insurance statement that comes afterward, or simply isn't smart enough to just not pay when someone is clearly trying to take advantage of him, and negotiate a lower price.
the US system is not designed around costs which is why they run rampant. it is designed around immediate service. nobody in the US waits for more than a couple days to get a surgery done, even if they don't have insurance.

>>50523141
no it wouldn't. your services are at cost, ours are for-profit. the whole idea around american healthcare is not to treat people but in fact to create medical debt. how much do you think it costs to have a child in the US?
you also seem to be under the impression that having insurance prevents you from being charged, when often you are charged an unreasonable surplus after a procedure because "it wasnt fully covered by insurance." its a system run by jews to just create more debt, to argue for it is to argue for your life to be a product someone can profit off of and you're the customer that has to pay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kll-yYQwmuM

>>50523141
Same. I could not imagine needing life saving medical care and going to the equivalent of the fucking BMV for medicine. Holy shit it makes me shudder to think about

>>50523187
There was a button outside to press for a Nurse to come outside. We would press it every so often for 45 minutes. The nurse would just shout "WE KNOW YOU'RE THERE, BE PATIENT". There was nobody else around. Just us and the crackhead.

God I HATE this FUCKING COUNTRY.

>>50523187
now imagine needing life saving medicine and a jew being able to charge whatever they want for it

>>50519298
also this. bifurcated society, bifurcated system, bifurcated results. you can't average them together and pretend you have a result you can either take pride in, or criticize. in virtually every way of measuring human development and status, white non-hispanic US is far superior to most of the world and has been for 200 years. black US is a catastrophe.

>>50518982
Jews

>>50523196
I work in healthcare finance. That’s not how it works at all. You are retarded like all commies.

>>50523224
in the US thats exactly how it works, what do you think martin skhreli did that made him popular? it was literally that.

>>50523229
No, actually. Shkreli bought the rights to a drug which only about 100 people used. He made the price extremely high. People on medicare/medicaid got it for free as per usual. Private payees were sent it for free and he wrote it off on his taxes as a charity.

That's how it works. You charge whatever you want, the government pays it, and then usually private insurance negotiates a different rate. Shkreli just gave it out for free.

His issue was that he wasn't in the club. Only the biggest hooknosed crooks in the country get to do this scam.

The media BEGGED for someone to come forward who had been denied access to this medication as a result of Shkreli's actions. No one ever stepped forward. Ever. To this day. And he never got convicted for doing anything illegal related to the AIDS-related parasite medication he bought rights to.

>>50519700
checked and based

makes you wonder why goybeans are filtered on this shitty site. there is an industrial scale bimbo-sissification of the population and i am double timing it today to get enough dough for a cabin in the woods so i can rent out my nigger neighborhood house im shitposting from rn

>>50523254
okay yes thats what he did. he bought a drug, and monopolized it, and was able to set whatever price he wanted without restriction. he charged the government sure but thats not the point. theres nothing preventing someone from doing this with any drug. Want an another example? insulin.

>>50523325
>he charged the government sure but thats not the point. theres nothing preventing someone from doing this with any drug. Want an another example? insulin.
Correct. Delete medicare/medicaid, price will normalize.

>>50523336
wrong, prices were inflated before medicaid/medicare. this is the most jewish talking point in the world. why is canada able to fully guarantee healthcare to all people with 1/20th of the GDP and 1/10th of population?

Have you seen healthcare profits? look up how much they currently make. american healthcare is all about creating medical debt, not helping people. they have 0 incentive to lower prices, the idea of a free market is a lie, all of healthcare is owned by a group of jews who want everything you have when you get the cancer they planned for you to get

>>50523363
>prices were inflated before medicaid/medicare
No. No they were not. This was in 1965.

>>50523370
oh when america had universal healthcare?

>>50523376
You have no clue what you're talking about and I'm exhausted trying to explain things to you.

>>50523388
america had universal healthcare, and then made it for profit and inflated prices so it was no longer delivered at cost but for a profit. the profits came from inflated prices.

>>50523388
also the prices have nothing to do with medicare/medicare bc like you said with skhreli it just gets charged to the government. the government acts as the customer, its not a charity by the private healthcare company.

>>50523398
this. and it's interesting because hospitals are now more focused on the intangibles of having a good experience rather than raw outcomes. some of this is good like getting to the bathroom or pain management. others are just making it like a hotel which is a waste.

>>50523459
>intangibles of having a good experience rather than raw outcomes
Because of Obamacare. Hospitals get government money based on patient satisfaction surveys.

There's many weird things that are a result of Obamacare. For instance, they put people in diapers now instead of using catheters because UTIs are points off for Obamabux.

>>50519011
because in spain, a cripple in pain is considered healthy

>>50523568
again, medicaid and medicare are paid for buy the US government, at the inflated price. they do not raise the cost of operation from the private provider. the reason medicare companies dislike the government as a customer is because they do fully pay and they're unable to put the government on medical debt with interest.

Because most of those countries aren't morbidly obese.

Increased life expectancy requires you to not do shit like a lot of drugs while also eating at Heart Attack Burger in Las Vegas because they give fat fucks free burgers.

In Japan they explicitly come down on you, legally, if you are fat or a druggie or a variety of other shit. This is why healthcare works- because they prevent your dumb ass from creating problems that would cost money to solve. If you never have to use healthcare because you're healthy, it won't be a problem. It is only a problem for the muttnited states because america has fat mixed race communists doing crack at the taco bell while they wait for their next order of burritos crying that it's unfair their insulin costs money and that the healthcare system in the usa is a death sentence because it requires you to "not get sick" in order to stay alive. Which is how socialized systems already work since it takes months to get a major appointment if you fuck up.

Don't be a retard and get sick is pretty much the norm across the entire planet. Only in the USA do retards face consequences for it and only in the USA is there a culture of "you can't tell me to not be a fat fucking retard" which is why fat fucking retards die in the USA.

>>50523568
exactly.

>>50523262
newfag

>>50523631
its almost as if the food companies also own the healthcare companies, and theyre selling people the poison and the cure

I hate fat people so much
Greedy, selfish, obese fucks

>>50523017
Got any readings on this? I’m a big fan of taking a short daily nap but I never felt like it affected me much either way

>>50523655
People have to make the choice to not spend a fuckton of money eating out. They choose not to and they choose to eat chips and shit. Everything is a choice and everyone knows obesity is bad for your health. Avoid increased healthcare costs by avoiding obesity.

>>50523681
There are plenty of pubmed articles online you can find. But here's a menshealth article lining out all the benefits of napping. https://www.menshealth.com/health/g19546638/21-health-benefits-of-napping/

>>50523723
no sorry, thats very short sighted. You need to first of all understand that by design the most accessible food for people is unhealthy. most poor people work two jobs as well, and the only super market in their town is a walmart. The issue isnt even "too much mcdonalds" as much as soda is cheaper than water in some places. They want you to be fat, they want you to get cancer.
In canada, they ban things like pesticides and food dyes. here people live in towns where they dont even have access to food that isnt organic. the downtown restaurant is the mcdonalds outside the walmart. maybe an applebees. Look at what theyre feeding kids for school lunches. they say ketchup is a vegetable so its okay.

>>50523723
and to go back on your other point, none of this stuff increases healthcare costs for the taxpayer. these are customers for private healthcare companies. they just blame fat people for why we couldnt ever afford universal healthcare. Obviously thats not true we could easily afford it being the richest country in the world, just not at their inflated price point. the prices they currently charge for care are like 3000% above at cost which the government would pay in a non profit system. Also fat people existing isnt the strain on the system you think it is unless youre referring to those edge cases on my 600 lb life. most people just fat and then die at 50 from a heart attack, rarely requiring any special services.

>>50519013
This, just mentioning cycling throws americans in an extreme fit of rage for example.

>>50519298
Whites are only marginally more healthy than beaners and nigs. They eat the same trash.

>>50519286
I'm sorry did her fucking arm fall off? Is this gangrene related or some kind of gigantic clot or did she just stop perfusing her extremities that badly? Curious med/surge and step down nurse.

>>50518982
LMAO USA HAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>50520128
Steve Jobs went out of his way to avoid medical treatment and followed some meme fruit regimen from a naturopaht instead of listening to an oncologist.
He would still be alive if he wasn’t such a retard.