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>>50497811
Don't worry, it will be rebutted by a larger scientific consensus

>something something broken disgusting society makes you mentally unwell then sells you cure something something live in a shack in the woods

>These findings together led the authors to conclude that there is "no support for the hypothesis that depression is caused by lowered serotonin activity or concentrations."

oh and in case you're about to throw your meds in the trash

>The authors also found evidence from a large meta-analysis that people who used antidepressants had lower levels of serotonin in their blood. They concluded that some evidence was consistent with the possibility that long-term antidepressant use reduces serotonin concentrations. The researchers say this may imply that the increase in serotonin that some antidepressants produce in the short term could lead to compensatory changes in the brain that produce the opposite effect in the long term.

long term SSRI users are basically like those bodybuilders whose testicals have atrophied from all the steroids
so u better hope serotonin doesn't do anything important

no refunds
enjoy your wean

>>50497811
can't bruise the cruise

On psychiatric drugs and diagnosis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXSoiziPdek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRj9CxkVrz0
https://archive.is/aCwbz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMi_s8hYRSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQegsqYhuZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-wMP2Q0Ifs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JQ8OVHVWA
https://ssristories.org/ssris/
https://ssristories.org/category/cause-of-death/suicide/
https://archive.is/KRK0X
https://archive.is/CPbZL

About SSRI drugs 01: https://files.catbox.moe/kpb2n2.mp3
About SSRI drugs 02: https://files.catbox.moe/8m8pbk.mp3
About SSRI drugs 03: https://files.catbox.moe/vdmjym.mp3
About SSRI drugs 04: https://files.catbox.moe/ddto2f.mp3
About SSRI drugs 05: https://files.catbox.moe/kak1pq.mp3
About SSRI drugs 06: https://files.catbox.moe/c42tmy.mp3
About SSRI drugs 07: https://files.catbox.moe/ma0v43.mp3
About SSRI drugs 08: https://files.catbox.moe/nm4ifq.mp3
About SSRI drugs 09: https://files.catbox.moe/u8zobq.mp3
About SSRI drugs 10: https://files.catbox.moe/14ldse.mp3
About SSRI drugs 11: https://files.catbox.moe/hgnzor.mp3

> Creating Your Own Mental Disorder

> First, let’s choose some common human experience that most people find unpleasant. How about boredom? Most people experience boredom as...

> unpleasant

> So — let’s get started and substitute the word “pathological” for /unpleasant/

> Doesn’t that simple switch start to give it that ‘disease feel’ already? Pathological boredom!

> The next step is to name our disease. How about “interest deficit disorder” or “motivation deficit disorder”? Better yet, let’s find a medical-sounding word from Latin to substitute for boredom. How about “Dysmoveria”? /Movere/ is Latin for motivation. By naming our disease, we are practically all the way to creating it. When you open a door to a new mental disorder millions of people will rush headlong right in and embrace it, as if they’d been waiting their whole life for just this opportunity. Suddenly they aren’t sad or anxious or bored—they’re afflicted with something.

> We have our disease named: dysmoveria. It sounds a little strange now but it won’t when tens of millions of people start using it and chatting about their disorder. “I’m taking Moveritol for my dysmoveria and it’s working wonders!”

> Next we need a symptom picture. What does it look like and feel like when you’re bored? Well, a bored person would probably experience some or all of the following:

> 1. A lack of interest in usual pursuits
> 2. Apathy about life
> 3. A pessimistic attitude
> 4. Feelings of “emotional instability”
> 5. Difficulty concentrating on ordinary tasks
> 6. A lack of energy
> 7. Chronic fatigue
> 8. Sleeping too much or too little
> 9. Feelings of boredom

>>50497811
Why do people trust pharmasorcerers with their mental and physical health? They literally turn you into a slave that cannot survive without them.

>>50498564

> How many of these must be present in order for us to “diagnose the mental disorder” of dysmoveria? Since obviously we want more rather than fewer people to fit the diagnostic criteria so that we can create plenty of patients and plenty of drug buyers for Moveritol, let’s make sure that only a few symptoms are needed in order to qualify—let’s say, five. Let’s continue pulling numbers out of thin air and say that these five symptoms must have been present for at least two weeks. Five symptoms, two weeks—sounds good.

> Let’s also make this negotiable. If only four symptoms are present and if they’ve only been present for twelve days, we’re not going to quibble. Heck, if the “primary” symptom is present—feelings of boredom—that’s really enough! We’ll call that looseness “professional discretion.”

> Officially you will need to display five symptoms and have displayed them for two weeks. We offer no rationale for these numbers, as no rationale is needed when creating a new mental disorder. Nor could any rationale conceivably be provided. Unofficially, all you need to do is announce that you’re bored—that’s all we really need to hear!

> Next, if we were doing this “for real,” we would gather a panel of clinicians—some psychiatrists, psychologists, family therapists, and clinical social workers—and we’d ask them, “Do your clients or patients ever report this symptom picture?” “Yes!” they’d cry in unison. “We see this all time!” “Great!” we’d reply. “We have ourselves a genuine disorder!”

>>50498578

> Next we’d work on “differential diagnosis criteria,” that is, on distinguishing dysmoveria from, say, clinical depression, which it quite resembles in its symptom picture. How would we know which was which? Naturally enough, we would know according to the self-reports of patients. The primary differential diagnostic criterion would be that if you reported feeling sad we’d go with depression and if you reported feeling bored we’d go with dysmoveria. Simple enough!

> Next, how shall we treat dysmoveria? Well, with some “combination” of treatments—this allows everyone with a clinical practice to have patients. Whatever your license says you are allowed to do, we will say “works.” Those clinicians like psychologists, family therapists and clinical social workers who can’t prescribe medication will be permitted to “talk it away.” Those clinicians like psychiatrists who can prescribe medication will be permitted to prescribe. We need not provide any rationale as to why a mental disorder should be treatable just by talking about it. Talking is a completely customary way to treat mental disorders and needs no rationale.

> Of course we’d get drug researchers right on it to create a drug that can reduce or eliminate the symptoms of dysmoveria. This is much simpler than it sounds, since there is no actual underlying disease to be treated. If you had a malignant tumor, you’d need to treat the tumor and not just the symptoms of its presence. Here we are just treating symptoms, since there is nothing present “underneath” except boredom. So our drug research can be up and running instantly, since our goal is the relatively simple one of eliminating or masking certain symptoms.

>>50498590

> An additional option, if we happen to have a few neuroscientists among our friends, would be to have them do a little brain scanning. You know what? They would discover that a brain looks different according to whether you do or don’t have dysmoveria! Wow. When you’re bored fewer parts of your brain light up than when you’re excited. This kind of observation thrills people and sounds very scientific. It is completely meaningless in and of itself—of course your brain will light up in different ways depending on whether you’re watching the shopping channel or doing calculus—but people take it to mean something. This is muddy cause-and-effect in action. So it’s quite a useful add-on!

> Naturally it helps in this process of creating mental disorders to be in a position of authority. Being a psychiatrist or having some association with a drug company wouldn’t hurt. But, really, anyone can pull off the feat. Just write a book that makes the case for your new mental disorder, hire a publicist, and let’s see how long it takes before patients line up! Wouldn’t millions of people suddenly discover that they were suffering from “internet distraction disorder” or “post-retirement dysthmia” as soon as they heard about it? You bet they would!

>>50498606

> Any unwanted human experience can be turned into a mental disorder by following the simple steps I’ve just outlined. Try it yourself with envy (invidia), rage (furorism), loneliness (infrequentia), or doubt (dubitarism). You can turn any normal human experience into a mental disorder following these steps. Sleeping more than usual? Going through the motions? Not interested in what’s going on around you? Apathetic? Bored? That exactly describes a teenager on a two-week summer vacation with her parents! But now we have a better name for it: dysmoveria. Isn’t it nice that soon there will be a drug to give your daughter so that she will be more pleasant and pliable when she accompanies you on your annual vacation to Nebraska?

> I think you can see the basic ruse. What is the phrase “mental disorder” supposed to connote? As it is currently used, it means precisely the following: anything not wanted. All you need to do is give the unwanted experience a medical-sounding name and describe its look and you’ve created a disorder. That look is called a “symptom picture” but that’s just a fancy phrase meant to sound more impressive than “look.” Give a human experience a fancy name and describe its look—that’s all that’s needed. The unwanted, troubling experience is surely real, but calling it a mental disorder is just a profitable naming game.

>>50497811
but will they pay for their crimes?
how about the pharma companies that pushed benzos? or oxys?

All the old white doctors I've had always pushed this shit on me for a routine check up. They definitely get some sort of commission from writing prescriptions from it

>>50498590
Read this all in House’s voice lol.

>>50497853
Yes. That's the answer despite how snarky and above it all you act like

>>50497811
Medication for mental stuff should have always been a last resort not a first choice. I've seen so many people benefit from therapy+behavior modification with an emphasis on self reflection and ownership.
The people who went straight to pills have all gotten worse, and their internal phobias rule their life.

>this study that disagrees with other research is right and they're wrong because it agrees with me
Okay, then someone should put forth a different hypothesis. They admit they don't really understand the brain and how it works. But there's a reason why when you do drugs you feel depressed the next day. Either it stimulates something in the brain which causes a crash when it returns to baseline, or it creates something that brain naturally produces that causes the brain to create less itself. If it isn't serotonin, okay. But what's an alternate theory?

>>50498572
Because they unironically think being a slave, being a sheep, part of "the flock", is a good thing. Not only a good thing though, but also that it's somehow sacred/holy, sort of part of the divine order of things, a feeling that it's the way should be. It's the result of generational christinsanity brainwashing instilling people with a slave mentality where they worship authority figures. They inherited it from their grandparents grandparents, etc, who lived like slaves and kneeled before priests etc during peak christianity, the dark ages -- the environment the currently living people grew up in and their own beliefs don't matter here, in what I'm talking about (the inheritance of the slave mentality). But of course the modern environment/society dumbs people down and brainwashes them as well. But mostly it just reinforces (via public schooling and mass media) what was already there, already inherited. To keep people trapped in that inherited mentality. 99.9% of all the self-proclaimed atheists are hence christinsanity victims too with that very same slave mentality (and they just switched the jewish messiah rabbi yeshua out with the "science" messiah jew einstein, switched the church and priests out with mainstream science and psychiatrists etc, switched the bible indoctrination out with politically correct brainwashing, etc).

https://files.catbox.moe/vfz1jm.webm
https://files.catbox.moe/re8je8.webm

>>50499010
It's a multilayered reason. Drugs alter brain chemistry, but they also lead to lack of sleep, poor eating, dehydration, and tons of other little things that stack up and lead to human body not working right.

The issue is if we explore everything wrong with a person (poor diet, lack of exercise, lack of sleep, lack of sunlight, soul crushing meaningless job) we might actually discover humans weren't meant to exist they way they do right now and that would mean the wagies wouldn't want to work. So no, they need drugs so they can go to that standup and do the work of 3 people for the pay of 0.75.

>>50497811

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>>50497811
one interesting test they did - induced serotonin deficiency in some subjects to see if depression resulted - nope. hahahahah

time for an update to book 'Pandora's Lab - Science Gone Wrong'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Offit#Books

>>50499455
>They also looked at studies where serotonin levels were artificially lowered in hundreds of people by depriving their diets of the amino acid required to make serotonin.
>These studies have been cited as demonstrating that a serotonin deficiency is linked to depression.
>A meta-analysis conducted in 2007 and a sample of recent studies found that lowering serotonin in this way did not produce depression in hundreds of healthy volunteers, however.
>There was very weak evidence in a small subgroup of people with a family history of depression, but this only involved 75 participants, and more recent evidence was inconclusive.
[spoiler] lol [spoiler]

>>50497837
Yup. Muh science is actually downstream from finance, politics, and culture. At least as an institution.

Holy shit this thread is based.

>>50498736
congraz on being brainwashed by tv I guess
>lol

>>50498785
No, literally just get a social life and hobbies. Social isolation is a cause of depression, not a cure. If you can't see that, then you're beyond saving.

>>50498572
It is the same people who believe that lobotomy can correct all mental illnesses and people should be sent to the insane asylum for depression.

>>50497811
>>50501750
Indeed. The best thing tho is that you can mix your hobbies with social life and your investments. Just look at me, i made far more friends with ultimate champions than i've made since investing in crypto in five years, imagine how much more money i could make when it lists finally

>>50501868
Pajeet

I'm not reading this schizo thread but the sheer number of people that take anti depressants and NEVER GET BETTER is common sense 101 that this shit is fake as fuck. Which Jew pioneered SSRIS? Sounds oddly familiar to the Opioid crisis by (((perdue))) pharmaceutical

You are living inside your room alone. You are not smart, you are pathetic.

>>50497811
i cannot believe people still trust SSRIs

>>50503322
has everyone else noticed a massive increase in this type of posting in the last week?

>>50497811
I used to take SSRIs. They were nice for a while, kind of an ecstasy high. Then it wore off and I became a braindead retard. It's basically a weaker long lasting MDMA high that doesn't run out of happy after 6 hours, but anyone who has taken MDMA a lot knows what that shit does to you if you abuse it. Taking SSRI's for a long time is not good. I will never go back on them. You know what did help? Having more money, no economic stress, family support, finding hobbies im passionate about, doing things.
99% of SSRI users would be infinitely better off having 1 million dollars than they would taking these pills.

>Mental Health Awareness
I can't quite label mental health awareness as a meme, because it is important, but I can't help but think this huge push for "asking for help" is just more people on drugs. Like if you're feeling down and decide to see a professional about it, most will instantly put you on drugs based on a 30 min consultation.

>>50497811
wow who could have guessed happy pills don't actually fill the void left by living a pointless modern life

>>50497853
yes but unironically

>>50501750
Nothing you said contradicted what he said

>>50498564
>>50498578
>>50498590
>>50498606
>>50498621
This, but unironically

>>50506751
>99% of SSRI users would be infinitely better off having 1 million dollars than they would taking these pills.
KEK
nice plebbit take

Bump good thread

>>50507301
That's 100% what this is. Go tell them you're suicidal and watch what happens. I'll tell you, your life that is shitty enough to make you want to kill yourself is going to get a lot shittier.