/biz/ - Business & Finance

gtfo and kill yourself bot

>>50464781
lol you mad huh?

>>50464768
Campaign manager

>>50464768
Engineer. It fucking sucks.

>>50464768
How is "startup" a job?

>>50464768
Nice meme graph.
>counselor
Most counselors make $120 hr and that's not intakes or special shit like court appearance. Of course unless you work for your local hospital at the psych ward for $18/hr.

>>50464916
That's what I used to do, I hated sitting behind a computer all day.

>>50464916
>Engineer. It fucking sucks.
Software engineer here and agree it sucks, but I'm making moves to switch. My bull run gains gave me the confidence and tools to do so

STEMcel bros.....get out when you can

>>50464768
lol women like engineer as much as they like artists ! wtf

>>50464768
The one that allowed me to make 6 figures as a 20 yr old with almost no experience or degree

Manager B)

>>50464940
>>50464916
what are you two complaining about

Women don’t like being artists?
Sus

>>50464768
interesting to note, that law doctor require grad school degrees, whiles finance really doesnt.

>>50464932
faggot the source in in the image name, since you are too stupid to find it ill do it for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRWPqwyukGY

3:00

Confirmed bad shitposter.
Must be mobile retarded pajeet nigger.

>>50464989
>what are you two complaining about
It's a low class career vs what my friends pursued. I went to a top 10 university, so my perspective is skewed that way. comp sci was largely for trannies, gay autists, and poor/middle class kids. Then you get into industry and it's that + a billion pajeets and changs.

It sucks, in part, because of >>50464965
>The one that allowed me to make 6 figures as a 20 yr old with almost no experience or degree
I appreciated that the career had no barriers/no class protection before I was in it. Now I wish it had a little more protection.

A friend, and very good engineer, I encountered put it very well. "If you get to do what you want, you don't do software engineerng".

Then there's also the fact that it's a field that teaches us nothing about the human condition.

>>50464940
What you switchin to bro I need to get out myself

>>50465339
>low class is computer science
what is considered high class besides being a specialized lawyer/doctor/Trader at a firm? I have a Biology degree and was a med student before I switched and dont view it as low class and if you do relate it to changs and poos on H1B visas then ur working at the wrong company
>no protection
if ur shit and havent jumped jobs once or twice yes you havent established value and are likely replaceable
>If you get to do what you want, you don't do software engineerng".
I dont know anyone in this field unless they work for a placement firm like InfoSys that does this and they get paid Peanuts

>>50465527
>what is considered high class

lawyer, doctor, ibanking, ceo thats it.

>>50464768
this pic doesn't make me feel good as a neet with an accounting degree

>>50464768
I'm surprised finance is so high... it seems like almost everyone in finance is figuring out how they can get out of finance, even on wall street

>>50465612
literally accounting is a women's profession.

>>50464768
Actually a software engineer, looks like I'll lie and say I'm a consultant

a fucking teacher

>>50464768

health and safety manager. Not amazing but it's a decent living for a piss easy job. Spend most of my time chinwagging with people and WFH 3 days a week.

>>50464989
I think for me the biggest complaint I have with software engineering, is the inherent lack of respect from business people.
that being said, you only deal with those business trolls until you get enough experience.
then they have to beg you to do work.
doesn't stop them from looking down on you though.

Oh I'm gonna tell you about "Engineer". It's because it's actually hard and we do something tangible.

Fucking medical doctors mans; absolute scam; half of them don't even agree with each other.

That are literally murdering people left and right with their shitty advice and people still have the delusion they are infallible gods.

Oh I'm gonna tell you about "Engineer". It's because it's actually hard and we do something tangible.

Fucking medical doctors man; absolute scam; half of them don't even agree with each other.

They are literally murdering people left and right with their shitty advice and people still have the delusion they are infallible gods.

>>50466043
>business team treats you like shit
well yeah because they lie to clients on productions stories and expect you to fix their mistakes by doing extra work alot of the time. They also get mad that they may spec something out with an inexperienced dev or one thats not working on the story down the road and have to go back and alter it. Business Team, Design Team and Dev Team are just the best trinity of enemies because theyre all at each others throats for making sure the blame isnt on them whe something gets fucked due to lack of oversight or design.

The best way to get over this issue is not working at a giant corporation and having a smaller team that interacts with one another and also being personable with other Teams so they know youre not just another blank face pic on a slack convo.

tl;dr- I too hate business team but the best solutions is to be personable and make friends throughout the company and you wont feel alienated and hated

>>50466114
Consider this. For fucking decades: those fucking cunts had a "pyramid of foods"; we were force fed since toddlers that it's infallible god of nutrition; you must eat that way or you're fucked.

Guess what: it was all FUCKING BULLSHIT; and I'm not talking "irrelevant bullshit"; those fucking cunts caused an epidemic of diabetics that still have the delusion doctors are infallible!

>>50466114
software couldn't deliver shit in the 80's.
then we invented agile software development to track performance and have some tangible metrics.
part of me thinks the medical industry would benefit from a performance based model.
departments want you to write OKRs, why not doctors have objective results?
e.g. if the doctor kills you, you shouldn't have to pay the bill for the care.
but insurance companies have fucked the whole industry anyways.
we will never get affordable healthcare. (aside from employer paid insurance subsidizing)

>>50466191
>pyramid of foods
wasnt this a government concept made by the department of Agriculture, not a docs fault

>>50466043
software engineering is just another worker on the factory floor, thats how management see you.

>>50464768
it's all about the stereotypes of the people doing those professions. CS is full of unattractive autistic nerds but show them a CS chad and they'll have no problem with CS.

>>50466216
the medical guild the AMA prevents this.

>>50466230

Yes but the point is Docs don't really think, they just relay information.

>>50466172
product managers are the worst actually.
I interviewed for a software manager position recently, a product owner got annoyed with me because he asked how I conduct code reviews.
my answer, it's just to catch bugs, and if there are no bugs, I make up to 3 suggestions, which are really just that, suggestions, make the change or don't, I don't care, you're an adult, I trust you'll make a reasonable decision whether to incorporate or don't incorporate my suggestions on your minor feature.
>but is that how you would conduct them as a manager?
yea. I would. I trust and respect my coworkers.

>>50466216
the main problem is the medical "science" is still operating like literal witch-doctors in the jungle; they've turned the "correlation is causation fallacy" into their main things; those cunts don't even know how even aspirin works exactly ("it probably works.. sometimes .. just take it").

then normie people keep having the delusion those idiots are infallible; they don't even agree with each other; they are in constant war with doctors who do actually respect the scientific method.

at the end of the day most of them are not scientists; they are literally medical technicians; they deserve the respect a car mechanics would have over an actual mechanical engineer (no j/k).

>>50464768
engineer, kek

>>50466216
the main problem is the medical "science" is still operating like literal witch-doctors in the jungle; they've turned the "correlation is causation" fallacy into their main thing; those cunts don't even know how even aspirin works exactly ("it probably works.. sometimes .. just take it").

then normie people keep having the delusion those idiots are infallible; they don't even agree with each other; they are in constant war with doctors who do actually respect the scientific method.

at the end of the day most of them are not scientists; they are literally medical technicians; they deserve the respect a car mechanics would have over an actual mechanical engineer (no j/k).

>>50466232
yep. that's exactly as it is early on in career.
later on they at least try to conceal their resentment.

>>50466372
>>50466232
I think you guys are a bit dramatic on the resentment and if not you both should switch to a new company and get a fat pay raise with it

>>50466230
>>50466278
I don't remember the details fully, but IIRC the committee in charge of the pyramid fiasco had as head a literal vegetarian; good luck getting scientific advice from a fucking political vegan; those idiots don't even notice humans don't have the digestive system of the sheep.

and yes most of them have no relation to the science; they are just being told what to do by WHO and other such comities.

they are usually a combination of being (legally) scared to not follow those norms and being idiots who never check the science.

>>50466437
>docs are people following orders
agreed, dont blame alot of them though considering their grad school debt and shit lifestyle. Its a pretty sad existence to be in any medical field except maybe dentistry or optometry at this point

>>50466230
>>50466278
I don't remember the details fully, but IIRC the committee in charge of the pyramid fiasco had as head a literal vegetarian; good luck getting scientific advice from a fucking political vegan; those idiots don't even notice humans don't have the digestive system of the sheep.

and yes most of them have no relation to the science; they are just being told what to do by WHO and other such committees.

they are usually a combination of being (legally) scared to not follow those norms and being idiots who never check the science.

>>50466472
They still enjoy the normies having the delusion they are some kind of infallible god though; hence the OP pic; they are happy to get $1,000 for one minute's work when they have no idea if it's even the best approach because they never check and often they are not legally obliged to check.

I fucking hate them; it's like having a "structural" engineer who doesn't even know if a building would stand up; "they just gave me this pre-fabricated shit and I just build it bro".

They deserve the respect of a nurse; they are literally glorified nurses; they have no clue how the body even works (most of them).

>>50465571
fang eng makes more than all

>>50464768
work as quant babay!

>>50466623
dumb fuck, its not only about money its also about social status.
ibanker has higher social status vs an engineer at FANG. get a clue.

>>50464768
>Marketing higher salary than sales
>Government higher salary than sales
>Consulting higher salary than sales
>Fucking Start-up higher salary than sales
>HR higher salary than sales

>>50465339
>If you get to do what you want, you don't do software engineerng
sometimes i feel like i'm the only person on this entire board who actually enjoys software development. am i really alone here? discovered programming as a kid and never dropped it. i how have 4 yoe after college, and have worked on many different types of applications and used many different stacks and genuinely enjoy what i do.

my goal is to get more business knowledge and improve my speaking skills, and eventually get into a solution architect role that is equal parts business requirement building and engineering

>>50464768
>scientist
>at all high salary
absolute bullshit you get paid fuck all in most science positions
what the fuck is "art" too

>>50466732
It's fine (it's not my main job but I understand). I think people's main problem with it is that you don't have any particular exclusivity in terms of legality at what you do; meaning anyone can pick it up and do it; you have to be exceptional at it to even be noticed.
Many other jobs are illegal to be done without official paperwork.

>>50464989
Engineering is great except if your manager is some obviously midwit IQ nepotism business fag who's career consisted of graduating with a 3.1 GPA in engineering then daddy got them a job them couple promotions

Scientists don't have a high salary

>>50466723
Note that it is a chart for women. Agreeable people are terrible at sales.

>>50466691
>SOCIAL STATUS SOCIAL STATUS
ever think its not the status problem and maybe its just fucking YOU. you could literally just jump into fin tech and be the same social standing as a wall street trader because you basically are one Or better yet make your own fucking company and fuck off with the same money and status with a turn key operation after a few years depending on product.

>>50466759
I think when they say 'scientist' here, they probably mean the niche of american high paying research jobs are MIT and the like (which usually become high paying research jobs are private firms etc.).

By "artist" they probably mean also the actors; most of them are the poor itself; Hollywood has a very limited space for gay boys (big demand for butch male actors I heard).

>>50466732

If you like programming I don’t suggest being a solutions architect. He principle engineer or start your own crypto protocol.

>>50466841
good point. I missed that part

>>50465132
>calls it a meme graph
>NO IT"S NOT IT'S FROM A TED TALK
lmao

I run my own business and would never take an "job".

>>50466843
lol you mad, what does the evidence have to do with me? its simply the personal preferences of women.

>>50466940
ok keep coping.

>>50466839
this

>>50466800
Yeah that's a good point. I wish there was some type of legal education requirement or certification process in order to call yourself a "software developer", i've worked with too many retards who have a job in software that can't write code for shit. Having some additional barriers to entry would be nice for sure

>>50466863
I'm not interested in crypto as a technology to be honest, I haven't seen any real, tangible crypto products created that actually have benefits over what exists already. I'll have to look into the principal engineer route more, thanks anon

>>50467028
With what? You posting a graph from a tedtalk that focuses on women and then replying to every post?
I have coped and it was pretty fast and easy.
Hopefully this was a troll for your sake.

>>50464940
and go where? lmao

>>50467012
Im assuming youre a women then since youre making these comments
>software engineering is just another worker on the factory floor, thats how management see you.
>dumb fuck, its not only about money its also about social status.
ibanker has higher social status vs an engineer at FANG. get a clue.

>>50465527
You seem to think I'm a incel with little to no exp in the industry

>>50465527
>if ur shit and havent jumped jobs once or twice yes you havent established value and are likely replaceable
I've done this, got my compensation up to $300k/year full remote.

>>50465571
>lawyer, doctor, ibanking, ceo thats it.
That's a good starter list. You're correct that the list is going to be small

The simple test is to look at what rich kids that go to top universities mostly do. If you go to harvard, yale, princeton, etc and become a software engineer...something went wrong. Even the Stanford kids mostly want to OWN the startup, get funding, and tell you what to build. They don't want to work the project.

>>50466623
>fang eng makes more than all
>>50466691
>dumb fuck, its not only about money its also about social status.
Yep. Also, you don't need as high of a minimum IQ to succeed in those, which is a good thing. It's more nepotistic and class protected, so even if you have a 110IQ kid, they can follow your legacy. Tech is more of a pro sport where it's 95% skills and 5% who you know. Tons of short term skill learning and relearning. Little enduring value

A 200k/year engineer isn't even a rare thing.

Any incel can leetcode into FAGMAN or a fintech startup. Why are there so many roles all the time for individual contributor SWE? People find the work repulsive, even if given all the time in the world to complete it, with whatever tools they want, any snacks they want, amazing compensation, etc.

>>50465527
>>If you get to do what you want, you don't do software engineerng".
>I dont know anyone in this field unless they work for a placement firm like InfoSys that does this and they get paid Peanuts
what does "does this" mean in your sentence? You mean "says this"? I'm just trying to figure it out

>>50467125
You're the most retarded in this thread, for falling for this retarded ass bait.
>argues with someone that gets employment data from a dating ted talk

>>50467125
i dont work at fagman , but i imagine the social life is similar to that of nerds playing D&D in high school, they dont get high tier pussy, alot are still socially stunted guys with alot of money. wow what a boring and miserable life.

>>50467209
if you have alternate data plz post it.

>>50467105
what exactly is incorrect about those statements ? other than you dont like them?

>>50465345
>What you switchin to bro I need to get out myself
If you want to still stay in tech, look into product management.

Yeah it's going to be tougher to get a role, but the ones I talk to say it doesn't even feel like working. There's a reason it's harder to find a role: it's more desirable and from I've seen you can level up like crazy once you're in.

Just remember...3rd worlders will NEVER be allowed to talk to the user. We should be using that to our advantage rather than engaging in the 3rd world game of H1B coding

>>50465612
>this pic doesn't make me feel good as a neet with an accounting degree
accounting isn't amazing in the meta right now, but basically guaranteed job, lots of boomers retiring out of it.
Look to start your own biz eventually.

>>50467064
> Having some additional barriers to entry
I think it might end up to that when the industry matures; but it might need to reach a point that mostly maintenance and very big projects are done; now it may still be 'the wild west'.

It's like how up to the ~19th century: everyone could be a house builder; there were a few famous architects but that was the exception; most normies could just build whatever.

But now: you must have a structural engineering degree for most important jobs; nobody should trust random normies to build a school; it may literally collapse.

>>50464768
>>50464805
glownigger

>>50466299
>product managers are the worst actually.
Exactly why I want to become one. After seeing and talking to a couple and realzing how low quality they are, I figured I could beat em at the game.

>>50464768
>accounting
>low salary
>scientist
>high salary
whoever made this is retarded

The last bastion of masculine work

>>50464768
Changing smartphone screens in a small shop. Someone kill me

>>50464768
>doctor
really? they're all terrible

>>50467209
>You're the most retarded in this thread, for falling for this retarded ass bait.
I'm not basing this on the OP (which I agree is arbitrary trash lol).
It's my own experience. I attended the top uni, I saw who became an engineer, who went into private equity, who went into consulting, non-profit execs, etc

Now let's move on and engage in the discussion

>>50467375
the data on salaries comes from glassdoor.

>>50467484
>the data on salaries comes from glassdoor.
scientist is too broad
My sister is a scientist and negotiated her pay from low $30k to mid $30k. Of course, that was before her phd. We'll see what she parlays the PHD into, but it's bascially a decade of working for trash wages.

A random late career accountant in the midwest will earn high 100k and an accountant prioritizing TC can do much more.

>>50467456
>Now let's move on and engage in the discussion
Engage a discussion created and mediated by a troll based on employment data from a dating ted talk, who got their data from Glassdoor?
Yeah, you are retarded and should go back to plebbit.

>>50467484
i make six figures from home and i'm 4 years into my accounting """career""" with no cpa. many such cases. whoever made this chart is retarded.

>>50466800
It is true that any retard can do a coding bootcamp, get a job in tech and call themselves a "software engineers", the truth is that 95%+ of them are nothing more than monkeys with typewriters, basically the equivalent of being a factory worker assembling things from pre-made components. The money is decent (in comparison to other professions) but those people are highly replaceable and there is no job satisfaction.

When you meet software engineers that actually know shit about computer science and work on complex pieces of work, you'll see that, even though it's much harder work and there are moments of high stress, they enjoy their work and have high life satisfaction. Plus if you've been in a company for long enough and know the codebase you can get away with fucking around - my current salary is quite low in comparison to what I could earn, but I get away with working less than 8 hours a week.

I am speaking as an eurofag though, things are probably different in the states.

>>50467564
>Engage a discussion created and mediated by a troll based on employment data from a dating ted talk, who got their data from Glassdoor?
Naw. I'm saying to disregard that, share real lived experience, and discuss.
>>50467586
>whoever made this chart is retarded.
correct

>>50467349
You can say the same thing about teaching. Everyone has seen how much better some teachers are than others.

>>50467599
I've noticed some of those people. Many of them appear to do their own projects as private companies. Others are in big corporations but I don't know how many of them fail there.

After all: if you're that brilliant: why would you be on a wage basis?

Google was basically two good programmers.

>>50467711
>You can say the same thing about teaching. Everyone has seen how much better some teachers are than others.
I'm in full agreement.
What would be a basic level of giving a shit in engineering would dominate teaching, in my opinion
At least in my midwestern public school, only a handful of teachers stood out as committed and engaging.
Average would at least be benevolent, albeit very plain.

In any case, it's clear to me that teachers have very little performance management or what is there is just a theater.
No teacher was ever let go, so either our hiring was perfect or we just didn't really care that much.

>>50467711
>You can say the same thing about teaching. Everyone has seen how much better some teachers are than others.
Forgot to say that education is on my list as a potential field. The advantage of product manager is that you still get a nearly-SWE salary, private sector pay/benefits, can have an international career, etc

>>50464768
I’m a deputy sheriff

>>50467854
and?

>>50464768
>government
>liked
I work in government and this isn't true

Shitcoin trader
It's not going good

>>50464768
Most engineers are complete faggots and I hate working with them. They are always trying to poke at me with snide comments about what I do at work or what my politics might be outside of the office. Mechanical engineers are similar but less faggy and more inflated ego vs their actual value

>>50464768
Sales below government and marketing and media for salary? LoL

Compliance

Make 50k

Why?

>>50467938
>I work in government and this isn't true
This is part of why the chart is dumb
"government" isn't a job. it's a sector.

Congressman is government
Landscaping the capitol lawn is also government (ok maybe it's contract, but you get the point)

The chasm between these two is so wide that the term lacks any useful specificity

>>50464989
I thought mechanical engineering would be coming up with new ideas for cool contraptions to solve problems. Instead, I spend most of my time describing known things in great detail on technical documentation, only for the documents to be filed away and never viewed again.

>>50464940
>>Engineer
>Software engineer
ah, yes, "engineer". kys

>>50467564
if you have better data then post it.

>>50468368
>ah, yes, "engineer". kys
fair enough point, although orthogonal to the discussion

>>50468330
I’m going to need a 5 part trade study on this simple staking adhesive, by tomorrow, faggot

>>50467982
Sales probably includes call centers.

>>50464768
>>50468384
it's not. programmers make a lot more than engineers.

>>50468330
i'm a mechanical engineer trapped in a GIS position for the last 3 years. I'm paid like shit but at least i am gonna be able to keep working from home. I'll probably pick up coding and work on that so i can move jobs the next time my job puts in another BOOSTER SHOT mandate or some shit and I have to fight to not get fired or something kek

>>50465571
>lawyer, doctor, ibanking, ceo thats it.
>>50466691
>social status
in the 50s maybe. now people call them all kinds of names. doctors, lawyers, banking, CEOs are all corrupt jews

>>50466732
>>50467453
the chart in the OP is for women. I hadn't realized before posting

>>50464768
Grocery clerk.
Whole department is getting hours cut due to “budget” but they still can hire more people and afford brand new automatic hand dryers.

>>50464768
Am teacher, can confirm.

Corporate Lawyer in training (law student)

>>50467125
Why are you bitching retard? You clear 6 figs and can work remote doing fuck all, that's the dream of 99.99% of the working population. You shouldn't even need to invest to make it yet here you are.

Money and jobs is the least of your problems

>>50468820
What’s it like? I thought about being a lawyer, but I don’t think I have the discipline to do so. Is it comfy?

>>50464768
>finance
>liked
Kek
Also I’m a slave master by trade

>>50468420

If those are included then those menial government jobs that are low paying but you can't ever get fired from are also included

>>50467797
>it's clear to me that teachers have very little performance management
If anything the incentive is to be a lazy piece of shit and not rock the boat. Results just aren't relevant for 80%+ of teachers.

Im starting a teaching position after a stint as an Army captain. Its literally too fucking easy. Giving half a shit puts you above the herd, and I like what I teach.

>>50469310
>Its literally too fucking easy. Giving half a shit puts you above the herd
Glad you could give us the scouting report, captain
How did you get into the education field after the army? straight to teaching or did you do a masters, BSe, etc?

>>50464989
probably nothing a little bit of sunlight and pussy cant fix

>>50467982
>salary
wonder if they just didn't consider commission at all

>>50466114

>>50464768
I am a Secret Agent, I enjoy defending privacy in a fun and educative, informative way, and yes, getting paid.

>>50469372
He's the captain of a failed ship. Check well and do some research.

>>50469310
I enjoy teaching newfags joining the Secret Agency program and the I can't wait to start with the proposed Secret University

shitty fucking sexist dumb ass thread

fuck you op, where's the fucking chart for men you fucking degenerate body defiler ywnbaw ywnbaw immolate yourself you stupid faggot

>Web3 developer
developed a couple projects on ETH and now I’m working on something to build on Hedera.
Will contact HBAR foundation in a week or so. Wish me luck

>>50469748

>Men
>caring about the occupation of their gf

>>50469769
digits confirm most sacred sexual position

>>50464768
Scientist (in training).

>>50469748
this is going straight to my cringe folder

>>50464768
Im a developer and i tell woman im a <<consultant>>. Except consultants are always lazy niggers and gets payed peanuts, but whatever works

>>50469834
haha yeah, it was kinda cringey wasn't it? You should show that folder to all of the non-cringe friends you have, share a laugh. Y'kno?

>>50465132
Wow, that video is a hidden whitepill.

>>50468924
In Manhattan biglaw hours can suck but its pretty comfy especially if you’re very detail oriented

>>50467963
The other thing ive noticed about engineers/software programers is that they never leave high school. They are difficult to work with and forever have a chip on their shoulder because they arent chad. overall they are just miserable people. who wants to be around that ?

>>50470257
Exactly. I have a guy who I’m struggling to connect with at work right now, and I can tell it’s because of some deep anger he has at looking like a fucking dork, while I’m sort of fit and don’t care about him or his intellect

>>50464916
(Computer) Engineering is fucking great, no clue what others have to complain about. Maybe SW Engies in SV are surround by H1Bs but it's the white man's field in the midwest.

I'm guessing women like engineers less because they tend to be antisocial uncharismatic types, but engineers who learn people skills are unironically god tier and can do whatever they want.

>>50464768
>t. Government scientist

>>50464768
CEO of SNEEDSTORM&CUNTBASHER
what women like is irrelevant, their brains are impaired balls of mess, they would like to have sex with a chimpanzee if the jews would shill them enough how awesome the chimps are

>>50470822
Computer engineering is one of the god tiers