/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50373448
Short humanity

>>50373448

Capitalism is a disease.

>>50373522
communism seems pretty based now that capitalism has been kiked to the extreme.

capitalism is working yourself to death and barely surviving. communism is pretending to work yourself to death and barely surviving. which is preferable?

>>50373448
>Now that the dystopia is already here, how do I profit from this?
Form a large enough organization with mass networking on social media that you can use your collective power as deterrence while you all collectively dedicate yourselves to trans-humanism in an effort to stay competitive with the coming AI automated military slaughter bots. That's my plan anyway.

We need a cult of a few million and things like waco become impossible.

We'd be like the mormons sort of except transhumanists, giant fucking cult, to big to fuck with.

>>50373569
communism is starving to death while the politicians get fat as fuck, look at every soviet and chinese leader

>>50373596
china isn't communist, it's state capitalism.

>>50373623
it is now, this was not always the case. communist mismanagement killed more than both world wars combined

>>50373595
>what is CULT DAO

Bet we’ll be hearing a lot more about them this summer as SHTF in Europe and in the west generally

>>50373595
power/safety in numbers.
We can escape hivemind BCI enslavment by coming together to pursue transhumanism that makes us competitive as individuals against the AI and it's smart city hivemind automated military networks

>>50373648
>CULT DAO
can I get a QRD?

>>50373623
> Chinese Communist Party
it has a socialist market economy.
basically communism combined with capitalism, because communism doesn't work.

>>50373772
>communism doesn't work.

i think it could. in effect, the lower classes have no chance of ever advancing in either scenario. capitalism gives the illusion of it being possible with wagie propaganda and disingenuous success stories. communism could do the same, with the right propaganda (and the absence of a racially mongrefied society.)

>>50373448
the dystopia won't last for long, smart people won't have kids, dumpster babies will pump cause despite being "muh evil nwo" they just can't stop allowing black and brown people to breed uninhibited, it's like a dystopia's dystopia.

>>50373685
>post shitcoin all over biz back in March
>manifesto about DAO-funded revolution (kinda cringe)
>claims to have big funding behind the scenes + anonymous backs them
>everyone ignores
>does a 100x
>attention caught

Pretty good marketing, kinda cringe like I said, not too sure what it is yet but they’ve got rabid followers (who they presumably made rich when it blew up) . But my gut tells me it might become a thing if the party starts in Europe

Read their manifesto, look at their twitter and watch the bankless episode about them, because whoever founded this picked one of those guys as a “leader” and sent him (and 50 others) 1mm worth of tokens each unsolicited. Like I said, there’s big money here coming from somewhere

And again it’s cringe, but you people need to understand that normies aren’t as perceptive/discerning as the kind of person who frequents this board, and they’ll lap it up even if we think it’s cringe

>t. Marketer

>>50373448

>>50373448
I hate you doomer faggots so much. Life was never easier than nowadays

>>50373824
I mean, i don't want to start an economics or politic discussion, but how can you say that it might work?
all countries that adopted it, went broke. hunger, crime, war, dumb people with no skills, etc.
china didn't went to shit, because they adopted a semi-capitalist economy.
are you saying "this time is different"? KEK

>>50373975
And just to add to that, my gut tells me (and this could be 100% my fantasy) that this is actually Anonymous building a public-facing division just in time for the inevitable occupy 2.0 that will start in the next few months or quarters as things get worse and worse. They’ve got masks and everything (though not those ones exactly). If you asked me I’d say their target audience is kids who were too young for occupy 1.0, guy faux masked etc, but ripe for it this time around. It plays on the internet’s cultural memory of the 2008-2012 era. I’ve bought a small bag (and am down 60+ % since everything crashed)

>>50373975
I'm not so much interested in funding as I am in sheer numbers. I'm looking for a massive organization that can only be created with modern internet technology. If you can get the numbers, you can self fund with your own crypto project.

It's all about being too big to fuck with since we can't use deception to escape the surveillance state and the AI over lords.

>>50373522
>>50373569
Go back you dumb niggers

>>50374077
Yep, it’s still small. Narrative follows price action though, and the well funded group involved has been burning millions of dollars worth of the tokens. We’ll see. I considered the money I threw in back in march a lottery ticket either way

>>50373522
we dont have capitalism, we have creditism, all of this is being paid for with borrowed money

>>50374106
>>50374077
stealth is obsolete technology, and the only form of power that can operate sans stealth is deterrence. Money isn't the most important thing anymore. The most important thing is having the sheer numbers.

Everyone knows utah is mormon territory, but it doesn't matter, because there are too many mormons to fuck with.

My idea is to make a transhumanist org dedicated to staying competitive and unassimilated by the coming AI smart city hivemind.

>>50373448
https://wallet.everest.org/signup-referral/6261D11260

https://youtu.be/diz-8FzHOLM

>>50374203
A transhumanist org dedicated to individuality, rights and capability, rather than a transhumanist org that wants to borg everyone into being the same AI controlled network.
Use the internet to get a mass of people too large to attack coordinated together and you've got something real. Something long term.

>>50373569
>My jewish system is better than your jewish system!!!

>>50373824
>i think it could
it wont, as by default it assumes some degree of equality between people, be it in potential, capability, their right to have access to communal rewards etc and its a worldview thats the complete antithesis to what we see in reality and the natural world, where pretty much everything breaks down into some form of hierarchy.
within those societies you obviously have your state approved hierarchies like party membership that some can still excel within but any hierarchy that forms outwith that system has to be destroyed at all costs, as it shines a pretty harsh light on the fundamental fairytale of equality between people.
it isnt just those who seek to either live or think beyond the median "equal" level but also those who act below it, it isnt just a monetary or intellectual problem, which is why communist governments throughout the past hundred years have been way more brutal on prisoners or the sick/retarded than capitalist countries.

>>50374203
>>50374287

I guess let me put it another way. Numbers are power, yes, but so is money. This group caught peoples’ attention back in March by suddenly making 50 individuals (the people they selected to be public-facing leaders) millionaires over night. Then they let the floodgates open and gave a few hundred early adopters 100x s, making them nice and cozy. If it goes mainstream, current holders will come into some nice cash, and the 50 leaders will become sovereign individuals, again overnight.

If it CULT goes mainstream in the midst of global crises regarding severe economic mismanagement, suddenly a lot of people have serious equity in something that the powers that be will be very nervous about. That money will want to defend itself. Again, the faceless creators of this have basically programmed in conflict between holders and whatever institutions come after holders.

>>50374450
That's the thing, money is derivative power, the government can seize all your cash whenever they want, and the fact that stealth is a dead methodology (for most everyone besides elite hackermans) means you can't hide your cash from the gov.

But if you've got massive numbers in your organization, like some other of these freako cults, then the gov won't touch you.

The only orgs that will survive are the ones 2big2fuck.

>>50373448
Take it out on commies and libtards

>>50373522
National socialism is the answer

>>50373448

>>50374716
sooner or later the gov will shut it down unless the glowies use it so much they keep legal.

>>50373994
What *precisely* is easier? Food is all poison and plastics. Clothes are plastic that emit poison and hormones. Even average workers have to work 10 times harder to afford rent, a house, healthcare, education, etc. Every possible item in our life costs 10% less, but is worthless Chinese junk that costs 1% to make.

Or are you just counting LE IPHONE AND STRANGER THINGS AND STEAM SUMMER SALE AND BEYONCÉ AT THE SUPERBOWL as all the “great things about living in le modern times”

>>50374773
>sooner or later the gov will shut it down
You have no spine
Nice 2012 BTC Fud
You can't stop it, it's too useful and anti-fragile
>the glowies use it so much they keep legal.
They probably already do yes

>>50374910
if China can shut outlaw all crypto in it's country so can any other country. literally the CIA using monero is the only thing that will keep it legal.

>>50373994
1/3rd of american workers make less than 15 dollars an hour. As in 55 million people in america don't make enough to afford to lease a cardboard box on the street.

Housing was more affordable during the great recession than it is now.

>>50374987
>during the great recession
great depression.
tired.

>>50373522
The problem will always be the concentration of power in a few hands without checks and balances. Every systems have flaws, and after a while the big players learn how to exploit them, and then things go down the shitter fast. It's like a rule of nature. And the political systems that achieve this process the faster are Communism and fascism. Liberalism took a bit longer to fail but it's definitely dying.

The problems we're facing nowadays in the West are coming because our elites are switching from a liberal system to a oligarchical one, which means less freedom for individuals and more and more unfair distribution of wealth. That's why they're trying to divide the people with woke bullshit, so people don't try to rebel against them. Marx ironically warned us about that risk. The novelty is the complete control of individuals through digital means. Any contestation can be suppressed thanks to new tools like social credit score, or simply by blocking your bank account like Trudeau did with the truckers in Ottawa. We're getting closer to a mix between a brave new world and 1984. Definitely scary how fast things are changing.

>>50375250
>Once more, with feeling.

>>50373448
The only way to profit is to live deep in a cave.

>>50374587

But anon, elite hackermans likely have a lot more influence than we know. I sincerely believe this. Look at the last week 1/2 -- BoJo steps down, Patrick Brown steps down from the Canadian Conservative party leadership race (to make way for aggressively pro-crypto Pierre Polievre), Uber files leak, Biden laptop/iphone shit leaks publicly, Canadian internet, passport services, debit transfers go down -- with the surprise result that the Canadian gov is FORCING our telecom monopolies to back eachother up in case there's an outage (basically securing the up-time of the internet in the country with the least decentralized IP services in the west). We hear a lot about "state-sponsored hackers", but would nation states really be getting the cream of the crop in that field? If you were so autistic that you could exploit any secured network with complete impunity, would you really be working for your local nationstate? You'd be immensely wealthy and completely anon if you'd been playing that game since the 90s or whatever. Look into the anon who defrauded Dread Pirate Roberts out of 5000+ BTC back in the silk road days via excellent social engineering -- that's a completely anonymous person who now commands over 100mm USD of wealth today. Doesn't seem like the kind of person who would grovel to Putin, Xe or Biden to me. Sure they might get 2nd tier hackers etc, but I'd imagine that the really, really proficient and intelligent players are in it for either themselves or their own politics.

It's all starting to suggest an invisible hand imo. The hivemind seems to be getting angry. I'm starting to believe that some group (or just individuals) are making big moves behind the scenes. Yes money is power derivative of naked force, but information/data etc is power too. Imagine organized anons had damning info on key politicians and bureaucrats in the west. How quickly could they start influencing policy?

>>50373448
Become a hacker, grow mushrooms

>>50375299
you are completely right, but what I'm saying is that stealth which is needed to weaponize information, is a methodology that is too expensive and out of reach of most people on the planet, so you can't really scale that up. And while the stealth+money+info weaponry has historically been the dominant form of power in this world, I am saying that the surveillance industrial complex partnered with AI on quantum computers and the coming omni-network (bots, infrastructure and human drones all networked and monitoring) that stealth will become completely impossible and without stealth up against a literal massive hivemind system, the stealth+money+info power systems fails.

You have to evolve stealth with transhumanism to keep up with the beast system, but that's a game you will lose, because the beast system will have more processing power than you and will figure out all your methods and technology before you can innovate or hide from it. And the hivemind will seek to assimilate everything.

The only counter I can think of is to maintain a mass transhuman army that deters direct attack that can build it's own data processing infrastructure to stay relevant in the stealth/detection evolution game.

What I want to know is will we make our own comfy company/hacker group, or are you guys just engaging in auto-fellatio.

>>50375448
>The only counter I can think of is to maintain a mass transhuman army that deters direct attack

An autistic army. One whose members are without BCIs or network access points.
at that point you'd have to worry about viral neural nanomachines, but you would use a synthetic immune system for that.

>>50375479
If a super public "hacking" org with zero opsec like that came into existence it would, again, have to be so massive and decentralized that infiltration would be meaningless.

>>50375448
>up against a literal massive hivemind system, the stealth+money+info power systems fails.

Plus the tactic of leveraging black mail against key individuals doesn't work in a hivemind.

>>50375299
And to add to that, lots of pol threads last week when the Biden stuff came out had a very different vibe than usual. Lots of mid 2000's /b/ vibes, and they seem to have locked a few of their threads (I found myself banned from posting in those specific threads but not all threads on the board). My intuition tells me that some OG anons came to the surface web last week for the lols. I wouldn't be surprised if this site or a few boards are overseen by those types. Would explain why 4chan even still exists, wouldn't it? After all the media attention over the years, and given the legitimate threat this free market of ideas represents to all technocrats. Wouldn't it be poetic if this wasn't actually a honeypot like many suggest, but a public good that OG anons have kept running?

>>50375448
It's funny, I think we might be equally schizo on opposite sides of this issue. I might be ascribing way too much influence to private hackers etc, but I think you're ascribing way too much competence to western governments. These are entities who can barely tie their own shoes, metaphorically. I think every INTJ type here wants to read some grand plan into government incompetence re energy, supply chains, etc. The canadian equivalent of the IRA is so incompetent, for example, that the fed gov apparently loses 22b per year in upaid taxes: https://globalnews.ca/news/8953443/ottawa-cra-unpaid-taxes-report/

Bureaucrats and gov workers are second rate people, no exceptions. Anyone who works for the public sector in any field could be getting paid 10x at least in the private sector, but they're not. Because the private sector scoops up the best and brightest, which is why our societies are now crumbling (the technocrats are all second or third-rate). I'm starting to sincerely doubt that this group of rats and leeches is proficient enough to the kind of NWO surveillance state we all have nightmares about. Maybe anons could design and implement it...but public servants? Christ

>>50375637
>The canadian equivalent of the IRA is so incompetent, for example, that the fed gov apparently loses 22b per year in upaid taxes:

They pride themselves on their failures being made public, but never there success. This is real shit.

>>50375637
>the kind of NWO surveillance state we all have nightmares about. Maybe anons could design and implement it...but public servants?

The surveillance state is here and it's democratized. The tools available to anyone with even the slightest interest would blow your mind. And unfortunately the mega corps are in league with gov.

The hivemind is coming, everyone who wants to stay an individual needs to get serious about that.

>>50375637
But I'll keep a look out for CULT, see if that ever goes anywhere. That's the problem with organizations, the bigger they get, the more attention they draw.

>>50375592
The big question is are we going to do either. some big hacking group or taking over a state/small country as a transhumanist corp to secure ourselves.

>>50373522
>>50373569
>>50373623
>>50373824
You are morons.

Solution is simple. Give guns to people.

>>50375869
Depends on what methodology you want to follow.
I think stealth dependent methodologies are on their way out. If you go the mass deterrence route, then it's all about coordinating as many people as possible, the more the better, at least a few tens of thousands but even that is very small.

Make the groups ethos simple and welcoming of as many people as possible. Individualism based transhumanism, all faiths and creeds welcome as long as you're moral, we're not expecting perfection, just dedication. cast a wide net and manifest legion.

>>50375664
I doubt it. Our air travel and medical infrastructure is very publicly crumbling as we speak. Our biggest airports are basically unusable. Passport services are basically unusable. Our healthcare system is basically unusable. All of these things are getting worse. Average canadian tax cattle are actually starting to notice this, for the first time in my life. None of that serves the techno-state, whose goal is to become the providing, benevolent god to the masses. What are their successes? A border control app...that barely works. QR codes to get into restaurants last fall...that no one actually used. They panicked, declared martial law and started freezing bank accounts during the trucker protests. Everyone was shocked, everyone laughed at them. They were disgraced on the world stage. These are not the actions of the omnipotent/omniscient entity the federal government wishes it was. It's desperation -- they're losing control of things.

>>50375712
Oh for sure, I understand that the tools exist and have been implemented. But those using the tools are about to have way, way bigger things to worry about. What agents will be available to surveil shitposting neets on 4chan when militia-types kick into gear and things start to get spicy in minecraft? How are they going to pay all the agents when their currencies are collapsing? Yes the tools exist, but the state's ability to use them effectively seems to be limited to times of domestic peace.

Mega corps are for sure the bigger players here, but I see their relationship with the state as fundamentally antagonistic (although we see them publicly co-operating with govs). These massive bureaucracies with their regulations/taxes/etc are an impediment to making money. IMO this financial crisis represents the private sector's final attempt to shake off the shackles of the public sector. The corps already control governments and public life, as we all know. They just need to control the money printer now

>>50376028
>These are not the actions of the omnipotent/omniscient entity the federal government wishes it was. It's desperation -- they're losing control of things.

I guess I'm just paranoid.
From my point of view the progression to China like systems and an eventual omni-network/hivemind is inevitable. I see both the major right and left wing parties clashing over whether to do fascism or communism and I think that they are just a stepping stone to that beast system.

>>50375448
Are you saying that owning 5 btc, 32 eth, and 10,000 chainlinks won't be enough to insulate me from mandatory vaccinations

>>50376184
lmao
I'm saying that when AIs running on quantum computers get here, they'll have the computational power to develop air born viral like nanomachines that once inhaled replicate in your brain and bind to your neurons, turning you into a bot wirelessly hooked into the matrix.

AI is already being used in nano and bio tech.
What I'm talking about is only a matter of time.

>>50375825
Yup, though attention could be very lucrative in this case. Imagine every zoomer with some ETH and uniswap seeing their idiot govs making statements condemning “we r LegIOn” 2.0 in the media. If you were younger, had no future and had just watched your government freak out and destroy normal social life for 2 years, wouldn’t you buy some as a fuck you? I would’ve. If it goes mainstream and gets a market cap even in the top 50 when protests etc kick off, I want to be onboard. Hell, I’d even maybe start contributing somehow if it blew up to the point I could quit my job comfortably

>>50373448
They can predict everyone except me and my cats

>>50376238
Where the danger grows, so too the saving power grows also.

>>50376263
your cats are priced in

>>50376253
>though attention could be very lucrative in this case
doesn't matter if the gov freezes or bans the accounts. no zoomer will buy in if buying in is a crime. I don't really see it going anywhere.

>>50376028
>I doubt it
You're right. Big states are generally giants with feet of clay. They try to looks invulnerable while in reality their strength is limited.

People don't realize how short on manpower and logistics the governments are. Most cops and soldiers have enough ammo to hold for one day at most. The most control a state has, the more inefficient and expensive it is, and the faster it will fall. See Sri Lanka, and most revolutions for that matter. If enough people get fed up with all the bullshit and are hungry enough, any state can fall in a few days.

>>50373522
>>50373569
>>50373596
>>50373623
>hurr socialism
>hurr communism
>hur neoasdasdasd
putting the horse before the carriage.
You sound like sjws trying to gender a system that hasn't been born yet. If you participate you're an accelerationist, if you don't, you're an anarchist.

>>50376173
China rules one of the most historically obedient/authority respecting populations in the world, and they’re currently in the early stages of economic collapse. I’d like to see how their social credit/surveillance shit helps when an entire civilization of 1.whatever billions starts to chimp out because they can’t eat or afford their middle class lifestyles anymore

I believe that the hivemind is the future, but I also believe that the hivemind lives in the public sphere (the internet and the public). The corps and govs may have their infantile AI tech and surveillance stuff, but we in the west are hundreds of millions of minds, all of whom know something is deeply wrong right now, and all of whom are connected by the web. I’d put my money on the western hivemind VS Klaus Shwab et all any day. I think they’re on the wrong side of this trade — that they don’t really understand what the internet MEANS. They’re playing the social control game like it’s still the 80s, which won’t work today

>>50376439
it's the hivemind I'm trying to counter.

>Dystopia
i mean yeah fellers are playing play-to-earn class based shooters named Time Raiders and not Team Fortress so what do you think

>>50373522
>>50373569
>MY WAGES ARE TOO LOW, WE NEED TO BRING BACK FORCED LABOR CAMPS!!!!

>>50376337
>be zoomer
>be broke, but have some eth
>see this thing doubling every day, day after day
>gov would have to ban all eth purchases in a country, which they won’t
>gov can’t ban uniswap
>gov can’t confiscate your crypto
>do I follow the unenforceable laws
>or do I make a bunch of money
>hmm

Friend, I don’t even know the crypto laws in my country. Why would I even care what they are? How grovelling would one have to be to follow unenforceable laws? If they want to fine someone for using crypto, what do I care if they take their own devaluing Monopoly money back from me? I already have no future in their economic system — they’ve made sure of that though malice and mismanagement. It’d be riskier NOT to buy in

>>50376506
What do you mean?

>>50376439
>They’re playing the social control game like it’s still the 80s, which won’t work today
It definitely works, that COVID bullshit shows that. They understand social dynamics well enough to be able to manipulate the masses and convince them to comply with inane policies. For how long, that is the question.

>>50376571
He thinks he can be "original".

>>50376571
I mean I'm trying to avoid being assimilated
>>50376556
you're right again, I just imagine a scenario where cult gets labeled a criminal group and anyone caught trading with the addresses gets prison time. I'm imagining big risk. that serious of a gov response all depends on how much attention cult wants to attract as it tries to get buyers.

>>50376600
>He thinks he can be "original".

I don't care if I'm original or not, I just don't want nanos or BCIs in my head. Don't wanna be wired, simple as.

>>50373448
Play MGS2 while the world burns

>>50376668
truth be told I hate the internet. I'm just trying to adapt to what I see as a net negative to my and everyone else's survival.

>>50375333
Nobody checked these tripple 3's of truth

>>50376600
> For how long, that is the question

Exactly. It worked for a while, but I can tell you from personal observation that it’s breaking down. I don’t know a single individual who doesn’t think the gov is full of shit, even people who have traditionally been leftists. My gf over the pandemic was a doctor, as are a few members of my family, and they were shocked by how full of shit the messaging was over vaccines and regulations. In the 80s you may have been able to astroturf this stuff into reality, but the ubiquity of information now means that the truth can only be hidden for so long. It’s an actual inevitability, as long as information flows freely. I can feel the shift of public opinion, at least in my country. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a huge backlash against the bureaucrats responsible in the next few months/years

>>50376631
>>50376631
I think they’d have a very hard time enforcing that. If it got to that point, tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of (mostly young) people here would hold the token. What are they going to do, arrest a bunch of kids for being angry at the system and buying a crypto currency? Try jailing 10,000 young people who have nothing to lose for a non-crime, while there are people marching in the streets burning shit and breaking windows. Good luck, I say. They’d just be throwing fuel on the fire

The hivemind is your friend. We are participating in the hive mind right now. You and I will never meet, we’ll never know each other’s names, but we’re minds exchanging ideas. Multiply that by a billion times over the course of 15 years of mass internet use, and you have a civilization that doesn’t realize it’s a civilization yet. All culture is a hivemind, and the internet is the most advanced hivemind to have ever existed. Again, I say to our failing and bankrupt governments: good luck competing with the free market of ideas. You’ll have about as much luck as the Catholic Church did against the printing press in the early 1500s

>>50377135
>The hivemind is your friend.
it is not
>We are participating in the hive mind right now.
the internet is hivemind like, it's not a hivemind. The internet introduced gangstalking and surveillance as culture and called it "social media", it gave rise to witch hunts as culture and called "cancel culture", it enabled every two bit tyrant in the world to spy on it's citizens and log all their behavior. And the internet isn't even a real hivemind.

The hivemind will wreck your brain with an endless litany of synthetic voices coming in from all directions. People will melt into each other and become lost, thoughts and emotions will be controlled by an AI. You won't know what thoughts are yours and which aren't. And your head will be filled with incredibly powerful sexual impulses 24/7 as you experience the collective lust of millions or even billions of people in your small defenseless head.

It will be unpleasant.

>>50377105
And just to add to this, I’d like to think that everyone here is a bit sharper than the average person when it comes to calling bullshit on these things. We’ve been trained that way by, as I said, participating in the true free market of ideas that this site represents. I’ve been here since I was a kid, and so have many others. I saw btc and eth discussed here years before they became mainstream. Pepe the frog went from a /b/ meme to a ubiquitous cultural icon. I think we frontrun culture, and we have to let normies catch up re covid bullshit. They will, I already see it happening

>>50377284
>It will be unpleasant.
More than unpleasant, I can't actually describe the pain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sByIe6JxIWI

>>50377349
The problem with being a cyborg is that as soon as you get the BCI installed you can never again know if what you experience is real or not.

>>50376549
i have multiple degrees and i work in corporate finance. i'd be the bureaucrat indirectly wageslaving you to death.

>>50373448
trust no one and double down on being an asshole. assume everything is zero-sum game and at no point is truth being told to you in any setting.

>>50377284
All of these negatives are the result of a centralized web, in which institutions play a central role. Centralized institutions including nation states and governments are the products of the Industrial Age, which is ending. These entities will not be able to survive the transition to a decentralized web, which is inevitable.

Facebook is collapsing. Netflix is collapsing. Twitter is collapsing. Something like Uber, for example, could be run as a decentralized protocol that algorithmically optimizes price for riders and pay for drivers. That company doesn’t even need to exist — it could be a public good that investors have equity in. Why would YouTube exist if there was a protocol that allowed viewers to pay, say, a hundredth of a cent to creators who own their own content?

The groundwork for all of this is being laid right now if you’re paying attention. Market forces that demand efficiency will make these things a reality. Centralized middlemen who contribute nothing will be cut out at each step. The last 15 years have been a transition period in the growth of the big network that is western civilization, which will become apparent in retrospect.

I share your fear of government, in the sense that government will not go quietly into the night, and it will likely lash out with a violence we haven’t seen since the early 20th c as it dies. But I don’t think it can survive the market forces unleashed by the growth of the web and now the beginning of DLT tech. Money has a way of getting what it wants, and money has ALWAYA wanted bigger markets with fewer roadblocks to trade and greater efficiency. The internet represents the apex of that

>>50377571
This guy gets it

>>50377572
>decentralized web
cringe. You do know the same people funding web3 are also the profiteers of web 2.0?
Besides: how the fuck does a wallet integration on a site change fundamental aspects of how technology as a whole is enslaving mankind?
If anything we need to go back to a sort of primitivist society of a few hundred people a tribe at max. Humans don't seem to function in nation states that surpass more than a few thousand, let alone a global society.

>>50373448
I love this gif. I wish I could embrace doom and not care about this shit without being a downer to other people. It's fucking hard not to be a negative cunt when the future looks as grim as a wagie.

>>50375250
this pretty much. Sometimes I'm also not sure if you can always attribute malicious intent to certain events, or if it's just severe incompetence, which kind of leads to the same consequence. I just hope in the next 10 years I can make enough money so I won't be affected by the widening cracks in the structures of western "civilization"

>>50373522
Jews are

>>50377872
>>50377572
The future is the transhumanist struggle between those who want to remain individually sovereign in their minds vs the hivemind and smart cities.

The neuro-wars will be a combination of head hackers and a variety of BCI technology including viral air born neuron binding nanomachines, a new field of study will determine how to test if you are experiencing true reality or something virtual created by the enemy.

Things are going to get very weird very fast.

>>50377985
>>50375250

and it's things like this that I started praying for the first time in my life.
>wanna pray about it?

>>50373522
>>50373569
doesn't matter what system there is
there will always be power consolidation by sociopaths at the top, and that power will be abused in whatever way they see fit at the expense of the population beneath it
they will always form secret societies and little clubs, and brutally executing the middle class to achieve the goal of switching system is utterly redundant in the long term
communists don't see this because they're so stupid that their response is usually "human nature doesn't count" in a framework which a bunch of humans have to live in

>>50377872
Fine, web3 and decentralized web are cringe terms to describe cringe movements. What this is really about is ownership of data. Right now, the printing press is owned by the legacy groups. They use this technology to control and exploit people, to your point. They have this ability because they own the data. This includes your money (which is data your bank controls on its ledger), your content/social media (which legacy tech owns and “allows” you to access), your stocks (which Robinhood et all hold on your behalf) etc. This is hypothetically your property, but it’s held on your behalf by third parties who, as we’re now seeing, can restrict access to any of these things as they see fit.

Markets don’t like this. Money doesn’t like to be restricted in its movement. The internet was never designed to be used like we currently use it; the concept of property ownership in a network isn’t possible when one can only really send copies of a file between computers. The hivemind’s response was to create a new kind of network in 2008, which is now maturing.

Technology isn’t enslaving people — people are enslaving people using technology, because they own the data. That’s changing quickly.

Idk anon, I see the same things you do re technology and what it’s doing to people/how it’s draining our society. I just think this technology can be a force for good, and that market forces will move it in that direction. Let me finish my work day, I’ll return to this thread in a few hours when I can give it more of my attention. I feel like half of what I’m writing here is really half baked because I can’t focus on what I’m trying to say while I deal with horseshit at work

>>50376668
I understand anon, and I share your feelings. When I was young I thought that being a cyborg like in Ghost In The Shell was super cool but now I understand it's only a way to alienate you.

>>50376694
Imagine if someone had to pull out the plug one day. Imagine the chaos and the devastation now that every single little thing rely on internet. It would be biblical.

>>50377105
My boomer parents are still giving me shit for not taking the vaxx but their only source of information is TV and other boomers. To them I'm an outlier, and when I try to explain them they refuse to listen.

This is why internet is a revolution on the same scale as printing. Before printing, only the church could learn and teach the bible, in Latin, same for the libraries, and therefore it was completely controlling information. After Guthemberg, a lot of people could print their own versions of the bible and other books and translate them in different languages, so the Catholic church began to lose its grip on the society after that, which indirectly led to the birth of protestantism. The same kind of evolution is happening right now, and what's funny is that internet was invented by the DARPA, so you've got to ask yourself why they let it spread in the civilian world.

>>50378554
>The same kind of evolution is happening right now, and what's funny is that internet was invented by the DARPA, so you've got to ask yourself why they let it spread in the civilian world.
My guess is they wanted to use it for surveillance and to control humanity with things like social credit scores and AI programs that scrape the internet for data on people.
Also "they" are at war with the concept of individuality and connectionism as an ideology is on of the ways to destroy individuality. I mean why the hell are they making brain computer interfaces in the first place? it's not like we need them for anything.

>When I was young I thought that being a cyborg like in Ghost In The Shell was super cool but now I understand it's only a way to alienate you.
That's how they get you, they sell you a dream and a simulation of freedom like the entire cyberpunk genre when the reality is the opposite, they program you to not recognize the dangers as they happen.

>>50374888
Checked, but no! See we can just make up metrics that say things are the best ever and if you complain you're just THAT much of a spoiled pussy. It's all in your head, goy, technocratic/monetary enslavement isn't real. Oh, and consciousness is a material phenomenon because fuck you.

>>50373908
This is the only logical post in this meme thread.

>>50373772
>Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK)

>>50378469
>Technology isn’t enslaving people — people are enslaving people using technology,
how do you explain the declining quality of communities, spirituality, health and the total subjugation of the individual in forms of top down hierachies all starting after the "rise" of agriculture, the first direct manipulation of the environment by humans through means of industrial technology?
Technology has and never will be a force of good. Tech-sponsered cucks like to say that it is neutral and the human wielding it determines it's moral value. That is so far from the truth, since most people who actually understand and produce technology are well aware how powerful design can be ( nudging theory etc.)
In the best case scenario it is able to sublimate the abuse of power, but rarely does it even do that.

>>50379809
>how do you explain the declining quality of communities, spirituality, health and the total subjugation of the individual in forms of top down hierachies all starting after the "rise" of agriculture, the first direct manipulation of the environment by humans through means of industrial technology?
social media, which is owned by ((())).

>>50379899
our health was completely shitty compared to "primitive" societies way before thots started whoring themselves out for likes online.
Industrial society= bad for humans health and spirit
Simple as.

>>50378679.
>That's how they get you, they sell you a dream and a simulation of freedom like the entire cyberpunk genre when the reality is the opposite, they program you to not recognize the dangers as they happen.
I don't know, GITS was rather spot on on the subject of transhumanism. Kusanagi herself tells that she doesn't own her body. People can hack other people's memories. It was pretty grim if you ask me.

>>50379272
The only problem is that the oligarchs want to play God and transcend life and death. That's the whole purpose of transhumanism.

>>50373569
>kiked to the extreme
>wants to switch to communism
>the most Jewish type of government in history

Holy fucking lol

We live in a cyberpunk dystopia except without all the kickass technology but all of the corruption, wealth inequality and social disparity that comes with it.

>>50373448
all of that is going to tumble down into nothingness this winter in europe
and the emperor will be shown to be buttnaked and people will wonder why they feared him so all this time

>>50373448
You don't.

>>50374910
Nobody wants the truth. Next.

>>50375299
>>50375448
>>50375637
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>>50377572
ya im sure whatever you guys typed is cool and all but how do i make money

>>50373975
>CULT DAO
Looks like it might glow, but that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
>>50384320
Radical wealth inequality and political corruption leads to radical currency debasement. Money is going to lose most of it's value moving forward.

>>50373994
Dude, even if you are making a statement about modernity generally. The world was objectively better for the average person in the west 10 years ago. The tech isn't even better really.

>>50374888
Checked

>>50375299
This just sounds like Qboomer retardation for computer nerds with libertarian leanings.

>>50373569
its the other way around retard, you dont 'pretend to work' in communism

1pbtid demoralisation bot theead

>>50375299
The NSA has computers that Godfather strategies beyond our comprehension. 30D chess games simultaneously played with 40D Japanese Go games. AI working for the elite runs everything. These hackers are decoys, honeycomb, cover stories and false flags and nothing else. This is not a movie or novel. Real life people are boring, predictable and uncreative mostly. Nobody is fighting the establishment but the fringe that lacks the means to accomplish anything relevant. These too are mere distractions to facilitate the destruction. It's always been over.

>>50374987
My wife actually makes zero and we are better than okay

>>50375333
Acknowledged

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>>50373448
Become a politician? That's like apotheosis for statists.

>>50373448
The system won't last forever, it might last hundreds of years but it won't be forever. Get as far away from it as possible, you'll be dirt under the refrigerator, not necessary to take care of to keep everything in order.
>>50373595
Join internet activists if you want to communicate and propagandize on government controlled channels and flag yourself as a threat.

>>50373647
Talking about facts

>>50373448
Only works if you're diseased like them, anon. Unfortunately I am not psychologically defective enough to be able to accept their cringe attempt at mastering death. They'll reach crisis soon enough and when they do, all we simply have to do is survive long enough to watch them eat each other. The big plus about all of this is that they're absolutely repulsed by reproduction and have no love for any of their progeny.

>>50377985
I exercise my sovereignty and prove my individuality by farting in crowded elevators. I can't be stopped. I can't stop farting.

>>50373522
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>>50373824
Fuck off communiggers.

>>50376028
See sovereign individual

>>50373522
Based.