/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50323485
>>50323485
>it’s banned on all exchanges for me as an Australian
Australians are not human, they're convicts so they deserve no freedom. enjoy

>>50323485
Who the fuck is this bean shaped headed retard???
Why do you people talk about normal people like they are God's?
Fuck this guy and fuck anything he thinks or cares about. Be yourself. Fuck everyone else. These kids are literally just that. Kids. And they don't know any more than you do. So fuck em. In the hairy asshole.

Faggots like you who don't understand why buying on exchanges is the problem in the first place are why monero is actually better than bitcoin. Monero is not magic internet gambling money. It's currency you stupid faggot.

>>50323545
Internet Sophistry at its finest.
ITT: Actual underage

>>50323551
>>50323559
brainlet cope

Would anyone here with XMR be willing to trade me some for some of my BTC?

>>50323485
Use localmonero.co (they have a Tor address, too).
Or, buy Bitcoin, and then exchange it for Monero on orangefren dot com.

>>50323647
Btw youd have to send me the XMR first no chance in hell I’m sending BTC first… I am a trustworthy person, I just want some XMR as a hedge against my BTC incase BTC ends up failing

>>50323664
Kek. Fuck off. Nobody sending you shit.

>creates a Luke Smith thread as a roundabout way of scamming people out of their Monero
Kek

Still ironically bullish for Monero though.

>>50323675
Is there any possible way to middle-man a xmr to btc transaction with someone on biz?

Or do I just have to use some DEX

>>50323696
Fuck you.
Use localmonero.co
orangefren.com
bisq.network
tradeogre

>>50323692
No. I only have a few btc. Want to trade maybe 0.25 or 0.5 btc for equivalent in xmr

>>50323629
You're obsessed with other normal people's opinions because you're so low on the status ladder. You are literal scum.
You probably get excited when you see someone 'famous' too. Fuck outta here

>>50323519
>Australians are not human, they're convicts so they deserve no freedom.
They know this. That's why thy elect fascist governments who lock them up for any reason.

>>50323696
Just send your btc to a CEX like Kucoin or Mexc

>>50323708
How do I know these aren’t scam sites? Exactly.

I hope some Moneromaxi is here whose willing to help me properly

>>50323726
>How do I know these aren’t scam sites? Exactly.
They aren't.
Use orangefren.com to exchange your 0.5 BTC to XMR, if you are a real deal.
>I hope some Moneromaxi is here whose willing to help me properly
Scamming jagoff.

>>50323726
Try with small amount first, see if they work. If you're really paranoid, just repeat on that small amount until you make it. It's automated after all.

>>50323485
Brainlet newfag question here. Does Monero have a capped supply? Is there an infographic of XMR vs BTC?

>>50323647
>>50323664
You must be kidding.
Stop posting now. Lurk for another 5+ years or stay in the YT comments section and never come back.

>>50323753
If you are indeed willing to learn, watch Dr. Daniel Kim's Sound Money Safe Mode presentation:
https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4

It has great info regarding the supply & supply schedule of XMR vs. BTC.

>>50323742
>>50323749
I know it’s normalfag as fuck to ask this but is there any social proof of those sites being legitimate and used, and not just some fishing site that will install something on my device that tries to sniff for my private keys ?

Not worried because I use a hardware wallet and my keys have never been on my computer or phone but yeah I’m still concerned about using sites I’ve literally never heard of

>>50323485
Faggot detected.
He explicitly said many times that he doesn't hate Bitcoin, it's just that Monero is vastly superior.
>But I’m so scared of buying Monero… it’s banned on all exchanges for me as an Australian
You have no spine, ngmi

>>50323781
nigger do your basic due diligence and look for reviews of the listed services.
https://leddit.xyz/r/Monero/search?q=orangefren.com&restrict_sr=on

Now either exchange your BTC for XMR yourself or fugoff.

>>50323485
>But I’m so scared of buying Monero… it’s banned
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THE GOVERNMENT SAID MONERO = BAD

>>50323860
Man shut up you know what I mean…

The fact it’s banned everywhere means a lot of shifty scamming cunts will try to offer ways to get it to you, which means I have to be smart about how I try to get some, not just auto-trust any site

Monero has turned into what Bitcoin used to be in the old days before exchanges had it, you’d end up getting scammed most of the time you tried buying Bitcoin off someone

>>50323485
Wow even retarded normies are wanting to buy xmr now?

>>50323892
Monero is not "banned everywhere". Certain countries prevent centralized exchanges from listing it. Do three seconds of research and transfer your Bitcoin on sites like on kycnot.me.
There is nothing illegal about Monero. Stop being a cuck for the state.

>>50323485
if your crypto isn't banned by the government, then its shit

>>50323781
>but yeah I’m still concerned about using sites I’ve literally never heard of
You have never heard of Bisq?

>>50323781
Off yourself.

>>50323934
>I DEMAND MORE REGULATIONS

>>50323485
These stupid nogs, basically everyone in this thread, doesn’t understand supply/>>50323485
distribution, lindy, and the ability for bitcoin to fork to anything it is competing against.
>but monero is anonymous
Doesn’t fucking matter- bitcoin has potential to compete with anything with a far better history. If you don’t buy bitcoin you are buying a literal knockoff, cheaply made with scammy intentions. Face it, everyone is trying to get rich and convince you to hold their bags. Including this bald faggot

>>50323969
>He doesn't know the dark nets are obviously trending to Monero and will be entirely Monero only in the not so distant future.

>>50323485

>>50323988
>entirely Monero only in the not so distant future
This makes no sense. Cope loser

>>50323779
Thanks anon

>>50323485
I would prefer scrt over monero any day, monero is banned in my country too.

>>50324017
The largest dnm is alphabay2, which is Monero only.
Literally every market has Monero as an option these days.
Go on dread and neck yourself afterwards you coping buttmaxi.

>>50324040
monero is just used by the dark net, kes be employed with them and use them,
>>50324040
I prefer their private nfts, they are giving jpegs some use case too.

>>50324040
>I would prefer scrt over monero
here comes the pajeets infesting Monero threads...

>>50324074
why do you just feel jealous, shit coin cannot be accessed any day

>>50324017
>This makes no sense. Cope loser

Get with the times, grandpa.

>>50323485
Literally who? Lmao is this some attempt at shilling some nobody youtuber?

>>50323485

>>50323485
He's a retard social media influencer who doesn't understand how Lightning Network works or even what UTXO are.

>>50323519
>>50323722
Unvaxxed Aussies are superchads & mog all u sorry cunts

>>50323485
this guy is a loveless boomer who gives people shit advice. his entire narcissistic personality is centered round appearing intelligent.

>>50323485
>>50323647
>>50323664
>>50323696
>>50323710
>>50323726
>>50323781

>>50324212
>appearing intelligent
that bald faggot Luke is legit smart, anon this take is sussy no bussy ong

>>50323485
literal christ cuck brainlet. even if his opinions on xmr are based. still, there are no redeeming qualities of christ cucks. lost cases

imagine actually listening to late adopter poorfags talk about bitcoin/altcoins on youtube.
no wonder you still think your little sub-4 digit bag of monero is going to make you rich

>>50324366
Monero is not an investment you absolute moron.

>>50324256
neil degrasse tyson is also smart but he is not smart enough to talk like he does. luke smith is a similar case. i make this point as someone who does not work in a gas station.

>>50323664
sent

>>50324671
>decent reader who learned Latin as a kid for fun
>not a "space is rad" bug like Neil (actually has some discernment & feel for metaphysics)
>tech savvy
>decent at teaching; not some detached nerd
>possesses common sense & values local community, ecology
Anon only an actual midwit thinks this guy is dumb -- his doofy opinions on Bitcoin notwithstanding.

>>50323485
what is wrong with this guy's skull?

>>50323485
Monero baggies are delusional. This coin will never get adoption. No one gives a shit about privacy. How can you not understand that? Seriously, sell all XMR and just buy BTC you fucking dumbasses

>>50325238
suck my dick

>>50325238
>xmr will never get adoption
if you have no clue, stfu

>>50325238
Can you buy drugs on the black market using BTC?

>>50325479
The logic is, btc allows permission transfer to xmr, so you would still hold btc if you want actual gains, swapping to xmr only to make a purchase. Are large is the dark net market of active purchases. Do you really want to make an investment thesis on this sole concept?

>>50325238
>Monero baggies are delusional. This coin will never get adoption. No one gives a shit about privacy. How can you not understand that? Seriously, sell all XMR and just buy BTC you fucking dumbasses

I'm actually impressed.

>>50323551
>>50323559
hi luke. monero is alright but i really like keeping my portfolio in bitcoin.

>>50325017
my opinion can be boiled down to the fact that he talks too confidently about things that he has staggeringly little knowledge and/or experience of.

this includes but is not limited to

technology, finance, mathematics, physics and physical fitness. in a nutshell, he is the /g/ 'im smart' linux user. I was not clear in previous posts: I do not think him stupid or dumb. hence the comparison with Neil in that he is certainly intelligent but he thinks of himself as far more than that, just like Neil.

>>50325815
I haven't watched a lot of his videos, but from what I've seen he appears more self-aware & lucid than most. I think you just don't like the cunt in general.

>>50325688
Monero is both my Store of Value and Medium of Exchange.
Monero makes it easy: no more juggling beeteecee and XMR.

>>50325238
>No one gives a shit about privacy.
that's one of those fundamental things smart people value right away and dumb people ill learn to value. Monero is one of 4 coins i can think of besides stables that should be a thing.

>>50323519
Fpbp. Aussies are cucked.

>>50326181
>Monero is one of 4 coins
what are the other 4?

>>50326196
Unvaxxed Aussies are Ubermensch, cope.

>>50325709
>down 90% against BTC
>cope

>>50324671
NDT is not smart kek, in fact he strikes me as below average

Luke is def above average

>>50326242
so übermensch that you rush to puff your chest at every post that mentions aussies, that's some inferiority complex behaviour kek

>>50326257
>>down 90% against BTC
shit metric

>>50326257
>>down 90% against BTC
>>cope

>>50323485
He's a low iq IT bro
Monero not needed

>>50324598
tell that to the retards still holding that old ass alt having never actually used the privacy features they won't shut up about

>>50326372
I cannot help that my superiority has been the cause of some controversy.

>>50323485 >>50323969 >>50325238
Let's see how the bitshit experiment is going:
>picrel
Oh no, so much for decentralization lol I guess bitcoin's only purpose is to be financially spied upon 24/7. "censorship-resistant" LMAO

>>50326466
so being a failed store of value doesn't matter when you use it as your store of value, then?

you're literally the quintessential monero holder.

>>50326705
I highly doubt they've never used xmr, you're just coping extremely hard.
Monero's privacy features: send and done, while being private and anonymous. It's that simple.

>>50323545
He's the guy who gets made when you use a computer to automate RuneScape classic

>>50326737
>exchange supports bitcoin
>so much for decentralization

another quintessential monero holder

>>50326777
>so being a failed store of value doesn't matter when you use it as your store of value, then?
Failed what? I started stacking this bear market and I don't have lambo dreams like you bitcucks.

Now go back to submitting your selfie ID for KYC asking permission from your big daddy govt. to transact with your freedom money LMAO.

>>50326819
Exchange is not even mentioned on the picture, you absolute retard. Missed the entire point.

>>50326811
>coping
always the same feminine shit from you monero children. cope this cope that.
us early adopters aren't the ones emotionally clinging to these failed altcoin projects, we're the ones that were actually using monero before you ever heard of it.

>>50326873
>and I don't have lambo dreams like you bitcucks
its good you at least have realistic dreams unlike other late adopters.

>>50326876
what do you think el salvadors little third world quality app is? its just an exchange tied to a lightning wallet they discourage you from actually using.

>>50323726
localmonero has been around for years. If you want to test it out, you can get some xmr on kucoin without kyc.

>>50326934
>>and I don't have lambo dreams like you bitcucks
>its good you at least have realistic dreams unlike other late adopters.
I don't give a shit about cuck-bucks valuation of Monero. Now go suck the banker dick more. Maybe they will grant you a wage-pod KEK

>>50325951
Money is winner take all. You will take heavy losses by not being in the best money. Monero is a copy of bitcoin, similar to how a copy of the Mona Lisa is worth much less than the Mona Lisa. Does it have utility? Sure. Is it a store of value? Not when there is bitcoin, which does a much better job. You’d have to be dumb to hold it beyond spending it

>>50325238
monero baggies ARE delusional. How the fuck are you supposed to make the price go up when the only people who can buy this coin are 3rd worlders. Burgers can't really buy this shit easily. You need buying pressure to make anything go up, and plus most people forget about the paper futures market where you can short infinite monero depending on your margin. The only utility for monero is literally for chuds and polcels to buy shit on tor black market. I buy all my drugs in real life with cash $usd, there is no need for me to own this trash.

lol I love how the Bitfags think Bitcoin will magically retain relevancy even as it continues being rejected by the only 100% crypto-based commercial sector in the world.

>"Sorry, we don't accept Bitcoin anymore"
>Bullish!

https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin

that nigga got water on the brain or what?

>>50326981
maybe reassess your emotional attachment to random altcoins and their communities. you can take advantage of everything moneo has (and hasn't) got to offer without having to sacrifice your own wealth at the same time.

>>50327008
monero isn't a copy of bitcoin, that's litecoin. ironically monero if anything has a worse position because it's a utility, it needs constant developer attention and massive overhauls every few years to maintain its utility and thus relevance, and thus price.

>>50327054
you know when a monero fangirl has lost the argument when they start posting that turbo cringe website.

>>50325017
This. I agree with many of his sentiments and enjoy his podcasts. I've only disagreed with him on a few things. One of which being his overuse of the term "bugmen" which is designated for chinks. Not just anyone who does something differently then his ancestors. Because by that very same logic, Abraham was a bug man for not killing his son. Just seems like useless and vague terminology that can be used to attack people you don't like, rather than something objective. But what do I know, I don't even have linux installed or have my own website.

>>50327173
>bugmen
pretty ironic for somebody with brown eyes to talk about "bugmen"

>>50326878
>us early adopters aren't the ones emotionally clinging to these failed altcoin projects
>we're the ones that were actually using monero before you ever heard of it.
Contradicting yourself in one sentence lmao. If you actually were an early adopter of xmr, you wouldn't say such things. Monero has become better, yet you say "failed altcoin project". Stfu already, no one believes you.

>>50326934
>what do you think el salvadors little third world quality app is?
Again, irrelevant.
>they discourage you from actually using.
The government even give you bitcoin so that you use the wallet, they tried hard to gain adoption (and financial control) but failed miserably.
LN is even more centralized and retarded. Over half of LN capacity is now controlled by 5 entities.

>>50327135
>it needs constant developer attention and massive overhauls every few years to maintain its utility and thus relevance, and thus price.
That's how technology evolves, are you using the same tech from 10 years ago or a better option/improved version? Exactly.

You are a complete fool.

>>50327135
>monero isn't a copy of bitcoin,
I mean this in the since that all ledgers external to bitcoin are copies of bitcoin, but sure…
The point being, as bitcoin is the real Mona Lisa, anything else trying to label itself as money is a cheap copy

>>50323485
>And he does make the best argument against Bitcoin and why Monero is better

it doesnt matter what Ponzi scheme is 'better'.

it only matters what profit you can make by selling this trash.

>>50326469
this is a cope. Your shitcoin has the same price action as any other shitcoin

>>50323485
wtf you talking about he loves bitcoin if it wasn't for monero he'd be a maxxi, he even dropped his position on ethereum

>>50323485
Bitcoin is the original shitcoin. There's no reason for anyone to use it, it's slow, expensive and requires enormous energy to mine. It's antiquated and needs to be killed off for the good of the crypto ecosystem.

>>50327546
>this is a cope. Your shitcoin has the same price action as any other shitcoin

kek who cares about short-term price action when long-term adoption trends are so promising?

>>50327546
>this is a cope
>price action
Circle back to that image you retard, you just proved his point.

>>50323485
>But I’m so scared of buying Monero… it’s banned on all exchanges for me as an Australian

Don't buy on exchanges then?
Bisq will let you swap bitcoin for monero
unstoppableswap.net does it with atomic swaps
kycnot.me
orangefren.com
Both of these sites aggregate trusted swap sites to use, many of which are accessible over tor

>>50327624
>short-term
lmao

>>50327644
>achshually i don't care about money.jpeg!
lmao x2

>>50323485
Buy dero and wownero

>>50327603
Bitcoin is a response to inflation. Whether you like it or not, it is a contract with mechanisms that will not allow for inflation. Any copy of this is an attempt at inflation and thus, less valuable. People choose the best money, it’s winner take all

>>50327672
See >>50324598

>appeal to past price action
Someone should make a chart of maxipad logical fallacies

>I can't buy XMR
You can buy LTC and BTC and swap them to XMR using something like cakewallet

>Luke Smith
Annoying contrarian that tries to appeal to the 4chan crowd. It's clear he cares a lot about optics and is the type of person that follows all the fads without even realizing it. He's now fallen for the "trad christian LARP" because it's the next 4chan trend. When this blows over in a couple of years he's going to change again and make fun of this time. He isn't self aware enough to realize this though.

>>50323485
btc is literally the reddit of crypto

>>50323485
Kucoin anon, thats where I stack Monero as a fellow Ausfaggot fuck this country though. Apparently you can use cakewallet and convert Bitcoin to Monero in it so I’m gonna try that too to stack Monero. As for selling I’ll just sell it on Kucoin if need be. I want to reiterate FUCK AUSTRALIA

>>50327856
>Any copy of this is an attempt at inflation and thus, less valuable. People choose the best money, it’s winner take all
I don't really like Ethereum at all and consider Vitalik to have questionable judgement, but I will be so happy if Ethereum flips Bitcoin to end this retarded Saylor-ite shit.

>>50325238
>This coin will never get adoption.
It's the most widely adopted cryptocurrency (in terms of accepting merchants), it's already been adopted
>No one gives a shit about privacy
Yeah I guess the exponential growth in Monero transactions is just happening due to people pranking the blockchain.

>>50327019
>How the fuck are you supposed to make the price go up when the only people who can buy this coin are 3rd worlders. Burgers can't really buy this shit easily. You need buying pressure to make anything go up
You're looking at it from the wrong angle. Monero is growing in adoption DESPITE it not being available and hard for the average person to get its hands on. Can you imagine what is going to happen to the price when that stops being the case due to proper and user friendly atomic swaps.

You essentially pointed out Monero's strengths and lack of downsides here while showcasing the huge amount of potential upside.

>>50327173
>But what do I know, I don't even have linux installed or have my own website.
You should really get onto that. I just don't understand crypto people that aren't technologically involved. Why are you even in the space if you don't engage with technology and know the fine inner workings of how these things work?

this is the second day i'm seeing this faggot looking hat wearing bald cunt
fuck this prick i'm still waiting in on ETH 2.0 and in the meantime getting royalties from Artlink

>>50327856
>Bitcoin is a response to inflation.
Bitcoin is an attempt at limiting the amount of money that can be printed by central banks. You might think this is the same as "a response to inflation" but it's not.
>it is a contract with mechanisms that will not allow for inflation
It's a blockchain with a mechanism that prohibits total spend to exceed 21 million BTC. That is NOT the same as not allowing inflation.
>Any copy of this is an attempt at inflation and thus, less valuable
If I have 1 USD and make a copy of it and now 2 USD exists. Is the 2nd USD bill worth less than the first or are both devalued simultaneously?

Also Monero isn't a copy of Bitcoin, it's not a fork and it inherently works differently and on different principles. This is like calling a fighter jet and a bicycle copies of each other because they are both modes of transportation.

>People choose the best money, it’s winner take all
I agree, which is why XMR is slowly pushing out BTC from marketplaces. People choose the best money and only accept that in their commercial activity which is why Bitcoin is slowly being phased out in favor of Monero.

>>50328093
all of that shit doesn't really matter as long as monero is still priced in dollars and anything that really matters has to be bought in dollars. Until you can buy raw commodities on cme with crypto directly, it's all irrelevant. None of this shit is a store of value. If u understand how market imbalance works, monero chart looks awful on higher time frame. We can go into single digits during this recession and going into the single digits will balance the market. I would buy only then.

>>50328293
>Also Monero isn't a copy of Bitcoin
You’re missing the point, any currency that creates its own ledger is a cheap copy of bitcoin. It’s inflationary in its own right and thus a contradiction. Anything can be trustlessly swapped with bitcoin, and thus bitcoin fulfills it’s role as the best money. But continue to miss the point and hold monero, it’s almost as good as bitcoin (a copy, if you will)

>>50328653

And yet the "cheap copy" just keeps on displacing the immaculate original lol........

>>50328653
I did understand your argument as it was common in the early days of Bitcoin when chains like Litecoin started going online and people making the argument that every chain created is just diluting the value over more blockchains.

However I explicitly disagree with that and refute it by showing that different currencies fulfill different purposes and therefor don't even target the same value. How much extra value is generated by Monero by having all transactions be private? How much extra value is generated by Monero by being fungible in nature? How much extra value is generated by ensuring mining will ALWAYS be profitable through tail emission.

Monero has a long-term vision, something which Bitcoin lacks. You're right that the best money eventually displaces the rest and wins out. Which is why we're seeing Monero replace Bitcoin when people actually exchange it as a currency.

This realization and seeing how the traditional strongholds of Bitcoin are being replaced with Monero extremely rapidly over the last couple of years has made me switch as a long term Bitcoin maxi to a Monero maxi.

The entire spirit and original ethos of Bitcoin is completely gone from the Bitcoin community and Monero is the closest to the original feeling and vision of what Bitcoin originally is.

Smart people jump when the ship is sinking. And Bitcoin being replaced from darknet markets by Monero is the Iceberg collision event in this methaphor.

keep you meme guy on /g/

>>50328834
>displacing
Displace?
Bitcoin stands alone, as the other coins change forms and dilute themselves into oblivion.

>>50327231
He's a J2 oriental. Never listen to orientals.

>>50328861
Monero is tech. The moment there is a better tech, people will stop using it.

Bitcoin is above those things. If you don't understand this then you deserve to keep bleeding against BTC.

>>50328861
>different currencies fulfill different purposes
All which can be trustlessly swapped with bitcoin. And thus people will hold bitcoin. What is so hard to understand about this?

>>50323485
>>50328834
>>50328653
imagine buying this shitcoin @ this level lmfao.
>picrel

>>50328954
>Displace?

Yeah, like pic related.

>Bitcoin stands alone, as the other coins change forms and dilute themselves into oblivion.

Bitcoin can't stop losing utilitarian marketshare to an altcoin, which pretty much says it all.

>>50329034

Dunno about you but I prefer to buy low.

>>50329097
>>50329121
>reddit spacing

>>50328980
>Bitcoin is above those things.

>bitcoin is above tech because....it just is ok?

>>50329034
Now do it for bitcoin so we know when to buy

>>50329157
>2022
>he still thinks it's about tech
tell me how I know you joined this bullrun

>>50329150

How does it feel seeing headlines like this?

>>50329211
Doesn't feel like anything, the only thing that matters is the long-term price action. Everything else is noise.

>>50329240

And long-term price action depends on what?

>>50329196
Is this the part where you tell us about the put option on energy meme?

>>50329121
yep, wait for single digits b4 u buy.
>>50329157
btc is even worse lmao, but it needs to take out the 2019 low.

all of these shits are ponzis at the end of the day because of the price action. we are just arguing semantics at this point btc vs monero. u can make money from the ponzi only if u buy low and sell high.

>>50329311
Willingness of people to hold the coin as an asset. That's why all alts bleed against Bitcoin long-term.

They compete against each other in their niches, but each bullrun, their ceiling in sats becomes lower and lower.

>>50329321
Nope, I already said what I meant.

>>50329211
exit liquidity.

>>50329394
>Willingness of people to hold the coin as an asset. That's why all alts bleed against Bitcoin long-term.

Why would people keep holding a coin that keeps bleeding utilitarian marketshare?

>>50325017
The biggest lesson here is that being a good student does not equal being intelligent.

>>50329516
Those same criminals swap right back into bitcoin. Don’t you understand what is being repeated?

>>50329567
hilarious circular logic

>>50329516
Same reason why they don't hold ETH. Utility coins don't go up against Bitcoin long-term.

>>50329591
If your theory doesn't explain the reality then it's time to update the theory. I've been hearing exactly the same arguments from XMRfags 4 years ago.

>>50329591
How is it circular? Makes complete sense. Once the utility of the coin is complete you (trusty, without middlemen) swap back into king bitcoin. This is a reflexive process that makes everything bleed into the best money

>>50329567
>Those same criminals swap right back into bitcoin.

lol no they're not, touching BTC is strongly discouraged by the DNM Bible (supreme darknet OPSEC authority) as of v2.0

Makes sense when you consider that swapping back into BTC defeats the purpose of using XMR in the first place.

>>50329723
If you look around the table and don’t see the sucker, you are the sucker

>>50329723
So XMR is so broken that when you exchange it for any other coin, the privacy becomes broken? lmao what

>>50329773
good luck spending ur monero lmao.

>>50329768
>If you look around the table and don’t see the sucker, you are the sucker

Suckered into what, having God-tier banking secrecy?

>>50329857
You've been doing nothing but getting btfo, changing subject and posting propaganda pics whole thread kek

>>50329857
suckered into buying something expensive which can be bought for under $10.
> biz has no knowledge of markets whatsoever

>>50323519
>Stockholm syndrome
>Canberra syndrome

>>50329773
Yes in the same way that you break your privacy when you take your untraceable cash to the store to buy a cell phone that tracks all your movements and inputs. It's almost like it's not the cash that's the problem but the literal tracking device you're buying.

>>50329835
>what is coincards

>>50330146
i just checked coincards and wtf is this shit lmao. u guys can't be serious. im not that deranged to have to launder my crypto into fkn giftcards, its just not feasible to move $10k+ into giftcards. i don't want to hold 20 giftcards in my wallet either for every single business i interact with on a daily basis. you are literally cucking yourself here instead of just holding straight paper $usd.

>>50330146
>untraceable cash to the store
It’s almost like you’ve never heard of atomic swaps. Bitcoin is p2p if you want it to be. Of course you can sign your name to an address but that is only an option

>>50330284
Bitcoin and monero both have that 'how do i spend?' problem when it concerns needing usd. Coincards helps with that. For bigger amounts you can just use things like bisq or localmonero, or buy gold to swap for cash like everyone else does.

>>50329889
>You've been doing nothing but getting btfo, changing subject and posting propaganda pics whole thread kek

lol I've been posting media headlines documenting the slow but steady death of Bitcoin in OPSEC-critical markets.

Meanwhile, you've been trying to argue that IT TOTALLY DOESN'T MATTER because Bitcoin is magical and doesn't need to sustain utilitarian adoption in order to maintain its market value. Just being Bitcoin is enough!!

Furthermore and even more amusing is the assertion that the advent of the Monero-only standard in OPSEC-critical markets is meaningless and will totally have zero bearing on XMR's price in the coming years even though ALL DNM buyers will eventually be forced to buy and use XMR in order to do business, not to mention all the ransomware payouts that will also be XMR-only.

Common sense and historical precedent clearly indicate what this trend means for long-term prospects.

>>50329951
>suckered into buying something expensive which can be bought for under $10.

Monero-only is the emerging DNM standard now. So you can't use any other privacy coin. Take it or leave it.

>>50330787
>Just being Bitcoin is enough
This is where you continue to miss the point.
Bitcoin can swap between all currencies without middle men. With that being known, and with bitcoin’s immaculate conception, why hold another currency? There is no need to hold anything else and thus it is against your own interest to do so. You can ignore this at your own peril

>>50330952

Bitcoin is non-fungible, meaning swapping INTO Bitcoin always carries with it the risk of having tainted coins dumped on you. No thanks.

>>50331004
Then by your own argument, all of monero is always tainted. The only people black listing bitcoins are centralized exchanges who have already blacklisted all of monero

>>50330787
>Just being Bitcoin is enough
Yes.

People who need the utility of washing their money can swap BTC -> XMR -> BTC.

The only people who hold XMR long term are the whales who dream about exit liquidity.

>>50331071
>Then by your own argument, all of monero is always tainted. The only people black listing bitcoins are centralized exchanges who have already blacklisted all of monero

Monero blacklisting is binary: either ALL coins are tainted or NONE are, so you are spared the Russian Roulette ambiguity BTC holders are forced to endure. You won't find yourself in a situation where you deposit your coins on a CEX only to discover they've been seized because some fuckheaded chain analysis bot has decided they're suspect.

Centralized exchanges also take marching orders from governmental bodies like OFAC, who can arbitrarily taint your coins just because they feel like it. You won't even know it unless you regularly check the blacklist

Furthermore, depending on centralized exchanges to remain viable is just asking for trouble, which is why you see such an emphasis being placed on DEX-ification among MoneroChads, we actually want to see XMR be banned/delisted across the board on ALL centralized exchanges to finally be rid of that dangling threat.

>>50331459
Congratulations you gave plenty of reasons to not use cex’s. This is not relevant to the original point, however

>>50323485
you are the peak definition of an npc

>>50323551
>infinite supply

all of you are arguing about centralized vs decentralized. you guys need to realize its 99% centralized from the basement up. the internet provider youre using, the graphic card companies to mine, etc etc its all centralized. there is no such thing as decentralized.

>>50329677
>This is a reflexive process that makes everything bleed into the best money
The best money in this case is Monero. At some point, the thing with the most utility will take over as the best asset to hold. You guys are losing ground in the markets that propelled interest in bitcoin in the whole first place.
>>50331645
The tail emission is mathematically irrelevant as time goes on.

>>50331185
>swap BTC -> XMR -> BTC
>attempt to spend coins or send to exchange
>'your coins do not have enough known history behind them so we can't accept them :)'

They already do this with suspicious physical cash

>>50330828
dnm are for retarded incels who don't want to leave their house and half the vendors are glowies anyways and you end up doxing yourself by giving up your address to the vendor. if you live in any modern american city, you can get anything you need in person using $USD cold hard cash.

>>50323485
litecoin is like bitcoin but with the option of őrivate transactions

there, enjoy

>>50323545
/thread

>>50331531
>the original point
It's ironic you think this isn't the point when the entire reason bitcoin was created was to AVOID central authorities fucking with the supply and exchange of money. CEX's being obvious points of failure is just a symptom of a much larger problem that, as it turns out, bitcoin is not cut out to solve.

>>50323485
How do you know Lenin’s opinion of Bitcoin ?

>>50323485
I have now seen this bald fuck's face on /biz/, /g/ and /sci/, if you're going to post about him please post a less nauseating image

>>50323647
Bro just use swaps. Tons of them have monero

>>50332916
topkek he actually looks like a cucked version of lenin