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My top choices atm: Banjul, Lusaka, Gaborone, Kigali, Windhoek, Ruhengeri.

I'm leaning towards African because I could save a ton.

>africa
enjoy getting aids, not having access to clean food or water, no emergency services, and corrupt police and gangsters that will extort you for all of your money and then murder you.

>>50273660
Honestly as long as you don't violate the time restrictions on your visa it shouldn't be a problem.

>>50274462
Lmao I'd rather live in all of the cities I posted than LA or NYC or Chicago. Way cheaper and safer. I'll pay for quality water and not drink water at restaurants. Kigali you can get unfurnished apartments in a nice part of town for 150 USD/month. Problem?

>>50274482
Yeah the visas are a headache. I want to rent a place 6 months at a time. There's not exactly a "live here while you work remotely" visa I don't know what kind of visa would cover me.

>>50274598
No visa will let you live in a foreign country and work as if you live in another. You will be breaking the law whatever you do. Nobody will probably care though so long as you keep it a secret. Also unless you get a permanent resident visa you'll need to change countries regularly.

>>50274630
Do you know if I can rent easily for 3 month leases in Africa? It's almost impossible in the USA but that'd be ideal in Africa. Every 3 months I'd switch countries and I'd only pay 150ish or so per month. I'd much rather find a way to get a long term visa but that's really hard and I don't want to break any laws in Africa lol

>>50274651
just do airbnb

>>50275016
I'm here to save money. I'm spending $0 on rent right now I can't blow money on accommodation like that. I'd need a low rent short term lease or find some way to get a 3 year multi visa.

You think it's cheaper but it's actually not. You have to pay for food and water which brings up the food costs to what they are in the west

>>50275524
I pay for food and water anyway

>>50274630
Bullshit. Super common to have US remote workers in Costa Rica. They even have a special visa for that. As long as your employer is fine with it (or doesn't know about it), you're fine working from another country. Countries care about you not taking their jerbs, they don't give two shits about you making money from elsewhere.

>>50275621
Do you think I'd have to tell my company? I've worked out of state many times traveling within the US. I wonder if IT would alert somebody if they saw me working in Rwanda or the Gambia lol

>>50275633
Use a VPN before you log into your work. Easy as. Wouldn't go to fucking Rwanda though lol. Unless you're black.

>>50275633
Also you need to be in a time zone not too different from your own country, so consider that.

>>50275678
I have a work computer they'd see I downloaded a VPN. And I'm white lol

>>50275691
Africa is the perfect timezone I'd work from 3pm to 11pm. I'd get to sleep in or wake up early and do stuff during the morning.

>>50273660
>>50274220
>>50274598
>>50274651
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>>50276224
This is b8 right? No one in their right mind would seriously consider moving to africa. You mentioned africa is better than places like chicago or nyc, but newsflash, the main reason those cities are so bad is because of negroes, you know, the type of people africa is full of. Kys retard and try harder next time

>>50276272
Retard go look up the crime stats in the cities I mentioned. I'm not moving to the congo I'm moving to cities that I specifically chose because they are safe and cheap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MgowWHkzZU

https://youtu.be/x_ySEVljWvo

These cities are fine.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Kigali
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Lusaka
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Banjul-Gambia

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/San-Francisco
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Chicago
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/New-York

>>50275621
Countries care a lot about you not paying them taxes though. If you're not in the country legally working you can't pay them taxes without tipping them off.

>>50276359
Yeah I head that's a common thing in UAE. People will work remote from Dubai the gov will realize what's happening and tax the worker and the company because they claim the company is technically doing business out of the UAE. It's a quick way to get fired.

>>50274220
Sounds fuckin cool, man. You have to report back if you do it. I haven't been to Africa yet. Vietnam and the Philippines were both awesome and cheap as hell. Turkey is great, too, but it was much more expensive than SEA. I'm in a simmilar situation to you, but my startup business is a bricks and mortar type place with my family, so I can't leave unless I mostly abandon the business. Otherwise, I'd already be living somewhere that looks like your pic.

>>50276327
>believing statistics coming out of african shithole countries

you know what? you sound like you belong with the brainlet niggers. have fun

>>50276422
That sounds awesome! I'd consider SE Asia if it weren't for the fact that I'd need to work on an east coast USA schedule for my 9-5. If my business works out I'm hoping to quit the 9-5 though.

>>50276482
Lol go watch the video of Kigali I posted and then find my a US city that's that clean.

If your specific goal is to move to a new place every few months, then I don't know how to pull that off without working remotely in secret. If you're willing to settle down somewhere for a while, then you can probably do that in almost any country in the world as long as you incorporate your business there. The big hurdle with that is making the leap from employee to independent contractor. In some cases, you'd be best off incorporating in a third country like the Bahamas. It all depends on the local laws where you'd settle down. You definitely need to get out there and visit these places as a tourist at least and imagine yourself living there. Start planning your vacations to these cities right now.

>>50276548

Kigali looks like hell to me. I can't fathom why anyone would want to be around that many niggers. The only reason why it bares some resemblance of civilization, is because whites still have a soft rule there economically. Look at pictures of their grocery stores. Quaker Oats. Rice Krispies. And that's just food. Who do you think financed all those buildings? What you perceive as civilization is just a thin veneer over niggerization. Be careful Anon.

>>50276804
>The only reason why it bares some resemblance of civilization, is because whites still have a soft rule there economically.
Lmao whites have more rule in West Africa than Kigali. What's wrong with German banks investing in buildings? They would only invest if there's going to be a good return on investment. Isn't it good that people have that much faith in Rwanda?

There are european countries less safe than Rwanda and cities like Paris and London are more dangerous than Kigali. Why are you so irrationally angry that Kigali is a good place to live to save money?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeOdHMPhZaQ

Are you mad it's cleaner than your city? I dare you to find one piece of litter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MgowWHkzZU

>>50276733
I’m working 9-5 now and I’ve already incorporated my biz in the USA. I guess I’d just have to work on my 90 day vacation

>>50273660
I'm also considering this, as I'm supposed to start remote work in the winter, but I'm leaning towards Europe rather than Africa because I'm not a fucking retard.

>>50277968
>but I'm leaning towards Europe rather than Africa because I'm not a fucking retard.
The cost of living cannot be disregarded. Also, Kigali is safer than Paris. I would only consider Eastern Europe but I've already spent a lot of time there. Africa will be new for me.

>>50277968
Also, do you plan on asking your employer if it's okay to work abroad? As long as you remain on tourist visa free entry it shouldn't pose a tax issue for them. I'm thinking I'll do short term lease in Kigali for 3 months, then Lusaka, then back to Gaborone, then Banjul, then maybe repeat the cycle or whatever. You just have to move with the visa free entries to keep legal.

In some places you can just cross the border every 90 days then cross back and get a fresh 90 days but that's a think in central and south america where they want to attract remote workers who will spend a lot of money while there. I'm not sure if it's a thing in Africa. It's not a thing in euro countries or the EU. So look into visa options if you decide to go the europe route.

>>50273660
hello, i am 23 years old currently living in belize. No capital gains tax here. I also went to swiss italy nyc and california. You're not going to regret it just make sure to read many catholic philosophers

>>50278760
>No capital gains tax here
Sounds nice!

For now I can't get residency because I doubt my company would allow it because they may have to pay taxes to that country as a result. But if I make enough on my new business to quit the remote 9-5 I'd be interested in getting a long term visa some place.

>>50278433
Do NOT come to Africa. I seriously can't stress that enough. I live in South Africa, the African country most similar to the US or EU and even living here is a nightmare. Frequent water cuts, scheduled blackouts because we can't produce enough power, loads of violent crime, corruption etc. You can find safer countries in Africa but at the cost of living in the bronze age. Everyone here with a normal amount of chromosomes is looking for the door. It's not worth it. Stay in the first world and thank christ you have that option.

>>50278874
You couldn't pay me to step foot in South Africa it's a total shithole. I'd go to Rwanda or the Gambia though.

>>50278788
>n't get residency because I doubt my company would allow it beca
Belize is the best option, it is british and u can just walk in and stay however long u want. No visa nonsense

>>50278900
I've also lived in the Congo, Tanzania, Ghana and Kenya and the trends are the same. Granted, they are safer, but the infrastructure is much worse. Dogshit healthcare, monstrous traffic, 2002 era internet and everyone will try to scam you (assuming you're white). Even if you're balling by their standards (i.e. middle class anywhere else) you're still always aware that you're king of the shitheap. Don't underestimate the little things like having access to non-retarded doctors or drinkable tap water that you know will always be there when you turn the tap.
I can't speak for Rwanda (which I hear is decent by African standards with a growing middle class) or Gambina but the trends across all the African countries I have lived in are pretty consistent: backwater shitholes run by corrupt retards. Don't underestimate how low African standards are.
There are plenty of low cost of living countries in Europe that would be a much better bet imo.

>>50279069
I haven't been to a doctor in over 8 years. I hate doctors and the medical scam industry. I buy and filtered water and distill it already I don't care if I have to go out of my way for good water I haven't drunk tap water my whole life.

>>50276327
nigga you gon get raped.

just go to Eastern Europe or Thailand like a normal degenerate

>>50279099
I've already been all over EE and I'd rather Africa than Thailand and anyway I can't do SE Asia right now because I have to stick on a 9-5 east coast schedule

>>50279112
Please tell me you're a nigger at least

You'll still get raped and robbed, but at least I won't feel bad for you

>>50279112
Also African pussy is low tier, doesn't matter how hot the girl looks. Being around them is yuck city

>>50279143
I'm white

>>50279153
I'm not going for pussy. If I was going for pussy or dating prospects I'd go to Europe or a comfy place in the USA.

>>50274598

Look man there's a lot of benefits to living abroad on the cheap but being safe or having good public infrastructure isn't one of them. If you want this to be successful you need to be more realistic about the tradeoffs you're making or like the other guy said you are gonna get beat up and robbed being a dumb tourist. There's a reason why these places are cheap outside of the fact the local job markets suck. There's a carry-on effect to not having an economy and you being from a first world country doesn't get around that, in fact it makes you a target

>>50279180
Rwanda's infrastructure is fine you can go from city to city for 5 bucks. They've got paved roads to all the major cities

>>50279162
Okay real talk then. I've done the digital nomad shit. Stuff comes up. In Africa you WILL have power outages. Can you handle not working for a day because you have no electricity? How about a week? What happens when you don't have running water?

What happens when the immigration officer turns you away at the airport because they think you're there to work remotely? Can you afford the plane tickets to do a visa run every three months? If you're going overland are you prepared for shit tier African infrastructure?

People will try to take advantage of you, if they don't outright steal from you and you can hardly blame them- you'll make 2-3x in a month what their average gdp per capita is on an annual basis.

Why do you really want to do this? You can find nice places at affordable prices elsewhere. Latin America for all its faults is unironically better

Africa is the lowest tier imaginable (except for nigger infested shitholes like Haiti, Brazil, and Detroit

>>50279180
And I don't care much about public infrastructure I'm going to be living in the city and you can get a moto taxi for a dollar and it's very walkable. And the bus network in Kigali is great.

>>50276997

this dude really thinks, as a white guy, he's just gonna show up to an african country where the average person makes 400 a year and not stick out like a fucking sore thumb because they can manage to not throw their trash on the street. lmao. there's literally security guards standing around with shotguns on dirt streets in the video he linked, and they look sketch as fuck AND the dude taking the video is an african black guy - not suspicious at all in that area. imagine a white dude taking this video

>>50279223
Read this.

OP, niggers WILL sodomize your sphincter. This is going to be a very sad white boy summer for you. Rethink your plans.

>>50279207
https://www.reg.rw/customer-service/power-outages/
Kigali biz district almost never gets power outages

I don't care about running water I don't drink tap anyway.

>What happens when the immigration officer turns you away at the airport because they think you're there to work remotely?
I go back home and keep living with my parents

>Can you afford the plane tickets to do a visa run every three months?
Plan to switch countries every 90 days

>Why do you really want to do this?
Ever read Heart of Darkness?

>Africa is the lowest tier imaginable
Philly, Baltimore, Detroit, LA, Chicago are all worse than the top tier African cities.

>>50276272
Africa is a large continent with many countries... Why are Americans so ignorant?

>>50276422
>Turkey is great, too, but it was much more expensive than SEA
Should be cheap now, look how much TRL devalued lately.

>>50279090
If I'm understanding you correctly, you buy filtered water, distill it yourself and drink that? Ignoring the fact that you can distill any water and get the same result, drinking distilled (i.e. pure) water is pretty bad for you (no electrolytes/minerals). Anyway, you seem to have your heart set on it in spite of what anyone who's been within spitting distance of Africa would tell you. So godspeed, anon, I hope it works out. Post updates if you go through with it.

>>50279223
Lmao you do realize lots of white people live in the big cities of East and Southern Africa. Kigali is already filled with white expats:
https://youtu.be/kGOP2zAAc3o

>>50279263
yeah okay man

>Can you afford the plane tickets to do a visa run every three months?
Plan to switch countries every 90 days

>reading comprehension

gl

>>50279270
And they're all filled with niggers. Even the ones that aren't filled with niggers are filled with niggers. Africa is niggertopia and a nigger is a nigger is a nigger. There's no escaping the niggers that nigger around niggerland so you best no be around niggers or they'll nigger you like niggers

>>50279289
America is half niggers and spics, and the remaining 52% of whites are mutts. Whats the difference?

>>50279281
>that creature
>white

He looks like a hobgoblin

>>50273660
I've been doing some research into this as well, I wouldn't even consider Africa unless there's a big white dominated city that's not expensive that I don't know about somewhere on the continent.
I looked into a few caribbean countries and permanent residency is relatively cheap ($150-250k), but of course demographics aren't great.
Thailand seems like the most inexpensive but you'd probably be treated like a tourist and charged 10x prices until you can figure out how to not get screwed over, or find a thai gf to help you navigate it. Seems like it's super crowded as well which sucks, but maybe there's some cities that are alright. At best it seems like you can only get a 20 year visa, but that's not too bad.
Eastern Europe seems alright, I'm eyeing Poland or Serbia. better demographics than the other countries I mentioned but not english speaking and prices seem to be 2x-5x more than thailand, so you won't save as much. Permanent residency seems less straight forward but there's business visas that are only about $100k euro investments, and seem to lead to permanent residence if you stay for 5 years.

I'm listening Kigali looks interesting.
Curious who actually knows the answer to this question. US citizen 150k/yr. Here are my disgusting questions:
Where are the women beautiful?
Where can I buy land and age safely with good medical care?
I don't care what color the people are

>>50276272
op mentioned that he is white so I don't know how the locals would react to him, but as someone who's visited africa many times for family, there are many "safe" cities and towns. The biggest problem is the lack of modern infrastructure and amenities. Unless you're in a big city, there are no gyms, the internet is extremely slow, all of the few shops in the area close at 10 pm, etc.
>>50273660
I'd recommend traveling to eastern euro countries over african ones in your case tbqh.

Bro just check out Balkans. Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia are all great choices for remote work, people speak english and it's much safer than Africa. I live in Bosnia and you could get fine apartment for a single man for 150$ a month

you realise SA is basically 2-3 cities.
if you drive 10km out of those cities you're in mad max territory

and it's not cheap either.

>>50279569
Malaysia has one of the best medical systems in the world and is still pretty cheap. That is Kuala Lumpur. It's a bit boring but the people are nice and it's very safe.

>>50276272
African blacks are not like American niggers

>>50273660
Yes but you need a normal timezone, don't do the evening thing. I've seen a few people try it and it looked like torture.
Check Nomadlist, google it. It has pretty accurate data on most cities. Some of my favorite places are Porto, Barcelona and Osaka

>>50279959
Barcelona is a shithole full of pickpockets and Nigerian drug dealers. As is Lissabon. Never been to Porto though.

>>50279995
never had an issue in 5 weeks of being there but I never took the subway so maybe that's why. Paris is the biggest shithole I stayed in EU, literally homeless niggers on every corner it was ridiculous. I witnessed multiple people taking a shit on the street kek

If things don't get fucked up in the next elections, you could move to Southern Brazil and live a pretty good life with $10K/year (yes, hookers included), saving everything else.
The language barrier won't be a big thing because you can purchase all that you need online and have it delivered to your door (yes, including hookers.

>>50279789
I've already visited a lot of EE. I would only consider spending long term in Russia (which I've done before) but that's very hard now.

>>50279959
Evening - night is ideal for me. I'd do stuff in the morning or sleep in.

>>50280160
I'd be interested in LatAm but I don't want to blow money on pussy. i've been to Argentina, Cuba, Chile, Uruguay, and Ecuador I've always wanted to go to Brazil.

>>50280194
You can get it for free as well.
I would check Curitiba and Florianópolis, both have the advantage of being close to São Paulo if you need access to a humongous city for some reason, while still providing a decent lifestyle that will be inexpensive for you.
You are looking at $5K for housing with utilities, $3K for eating pretty damn well (including constantly eating out) and $2K left for fun (spending money for fun twice a week, including money spent on the eventual gold digger).
If you are really frugal, investing in a bicycle will allow you to go to most places in those cities, with Uber still being a solid plan B for rainy days (I don't think that anyone looking to save money should waste cash on cars when they work at home).

>>50280060
It's not bad as Paris but it's going in this direction.

What about Japan? Can you actually live there without speaking the language?

>>50273660
If you're white, go to Poland. Everyone there is white and everything is cheaper than in north America. Girls are pretty too.

If you're not white go somewhere in south Africa where its the same deal except the girls are ugly.

>>50279162
>a comfy place in the USA.
what's an example of a comfy USA place?

>>50273660
>>50274220
Africa? are you crazy? I'm thinking of going to south america myself.

>>50280185
>Evening - night is ideal for me. I'd do stuff in the morning or sleep in.
so when everyone else is having a beer or chilling you will be working. You will hate it after a while unless you don't plan on socializing.
>>50280274
easy, Tokyo has almost everything in english. Osaka was a bit more challenging but they see many tourists so it's np. Outside of the big cities it's a lot of hand gestures/google translate but the main problem is not being able to read anything, I could often not figure out what I was about to eat or what the mens/women bathroom was

>>50280543
>so when everyone else is having a beer or chilling you will be working

i hate going out now at 31. i just want to sexo my wife every now and then and be with her and that's it.

>>50280543
Recently visited Japan (Tokyo and Osaka) and the xenophobia alone is enough to make me never want to live there. I had quite a few instances where I was refused entry into a bar three seconds after walking in. Tokyo is relatively english friendly but even there 95% of people outside of hospitality barely understand a word and will avoid you to save the embarrassment. Also, if you're anywhere near 6" prepare to be conspicuous as fuck and to not fit anywhere. It really does feel like loompaland unless you're a manlet. Riceballs are dope af though.

>>50280729
how? tourism isn't open yet, I've been waiting to go back for 2 years now. Idk man, I had a great time when I was there. I would not want to live there either but that goes for almost every country I've visited

>>50281063
It was in 2019 for the rugby world cup finals, so perhaps not that recently. idgaf about sports but watching the arrogant bongs get btfo'd by my country's team was worth the price of admission.
I also had a great time overall, powdered shins from all the walking notwithstanding. Even looking to go back at some point to see the stuff I missed last time. I just meant I'd never want to live there.

The cost of living in Europe can be very low, this includes countries like Germany or Spain, just move to a rural area, learn how to cook and don't waste money like a faggot.

>mfers in africa watching whitey load up on groceries every month without even carrying a machete

how do you work remotely for 50k? whats the job?

>>50280194
just go back to africa dumb nigger monkey

>>50279112
just stay up all night you faggot working in the evening absolutely sucks ass

>>50280543
I'll socialize on the weekends and go to the gym/practice piano/martial arts on week mornings

There are a variety of factors you need to consider when moving abroad. One of the most important of those factors is safety. I would not move to several places right now, namely Africa and Eastern Europe.

Remote work is great, but do you know what is even better? Not working and living off of staking rewards. I live remotely and yield farm daily. I currently earn 13% APY staking NEAR and several hundreds of dollars staking on DeFi platforms like Alchemix. When MAXX finance goes live, I will participate in their free claim and stake that too. All you have to do is hold ETH or MATIC in your wallet for example and you get free tokens. DeFi is really easy once you get the hang of it.