/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50263764
Who lied to you? Lol all delivery jobs pay trash

>>50263768
Topped out drivers are making 42+ an hour and have a pension, get overtime, etc

You’re the idiot

Family member has worked for them for 30 years and gets over two months paid vacation a year. Makes 90-100k but hes a tractor trailer driver.

>>50263764
Unions.

>>50263781
I’m ngmi

>>50263776
You have to grind for 10 years to make that much, meanwhile most coding jobs now start at $100K

>>50263856

>>50263856
Most is not true, the average software engineer probably starts out at 70k. If you manage to get hired into a big company, you could theoretically make 150k+ starting, but those people are the minority.

>work at warehouse
>new release product
>fill his entire truck up with packages
>fill it to the top
>this is just one stop on his day
Sometimes the boxes were plastic minis, sometimes they were nothing but books or magazines

>>50263856
There's a 4 to 5 yr overhead (maybe more if you suck at interviewing because uni doesn't prepare you well enough) and this >>50263898

It’s no surprise software cucks try to come in a flex
>stare at screen all day
>women are sooo attracted to programmers
>be out of shape faggot
Or
>make six figures to deliver packages
>be outside
>get to see dogs
>women love delivery men and you can larp about delivering your package (cock)
>in shape because you’re getting paid to work out

>>50263764
N

>>50263764
>not using stem to produce your own research/work/passions
Stop expecting handouts, moron.

>>50263764
Their job is harder and more valuable than yours

>>50264073
I

>>50263764

UNITED Parcel Service.

I work for usps, I work a lot of overtime. Two weeks pay

>>50264329
How many hours mr wage cuck

>>50264380
12hrs a day at 20/hr kek

>>50264329
Driver or something else?

>>50264274
G

>>50263801
Unions are for libtards

>>50264474

Yeah, and since 98% of people (and 99.5% of the people here) aren't geniuses those unions cut a pretty good deal.

>>50263898
>If you manage to get hired into a big company, you could theoretically make 150k+ starting, but those people are the minority
I think you mean brown. Which I must remind you is -not- a minority globally.

>>50264676
Indians and East Asians probably do make up most of big tech devs, but they are still a minority of all devs

>>50264075
>>not using stem to produce your own research/work/passions

Where did you think drugs come from Anon, the moon?

>>50264696
this

>>50263768

a

>>50264474
>Working with your fellow man to resist your boss is for liberals, me I prefer to live in a diverse shithole with so low social cohesion that we could never band together to negotiate for better wages
Kill yourself shitskin scab

Pretty much every entry level labor wagie job that requires some basic credential like a CDL pays equal or better to entry level college degree based office work nowadays, even for STEM jobs. The argument is always "but over a lifetime your maximum earning potential is greater" but that's retarded if you took out loans to get a degree in -faggot bullshit-. Entire system is fucked up.

>>50263856
Ya while working a job that is 20x more stressful. Stem isn't stress free by any means.

>crypto down
>entire board turns into /wagie/ general
kek. y'all some one trick ponies

>>50265537

>>50263764
Cope

>>50265938
this

>>50264474
stay poor to own the libs

>>50263764
I am old now, 45
When I started work it was as an apprentice for $5.07 per hour.
Now I own a ten figure business.
Work to learn skills.not to make money.
Later use the skills to start a company.

>>50263856
>You have to grind for 10 years to make that much
Corp UPS manager here
It really depends on the area and their churn but the only way it'd take you 10 years is if you're in literal nowhere

>>50263764
Volume

>if you want to be a delivery wagie you have to work as a part time package handler for years while you wait with your name on the list
Damn

>>50263764
Teamster Union
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Guys I need a fucking job please help

Something entry level that pays good. Or something that just requires an easy certification or something. Please.
Prices are way too low not to be neeting, waging and throwing entire paychecks into crypto.
Should I just get a warehouse job?

>>50266322
see
>>50265163
dummy

>>50266322
Yes you dumbass faggot. The nearest UPS will put you on for $21 hr starting. If they are low on wagies and they probably are you can get unlimited overtime and overtime starts after 5 hrs on shift not 40 hrs a week if you are a part time worker. You'll still get a good health care and dental plan though which is why the UPS union is so based. Also package carriers aren't drug tested so if you're a degenerate you can still do meth or weed or whatever and make up to $80K in a year.
>>50263764
Because they do something useful and every soft handed faggot in the country is to weak to pick up a heavy object or look a grown man in the eye. Leaves wages just going up for wage cucks like myself.
t. CDL B trucker that makes $75K annually in a LCOL

>>50266329
>40hr is a lot
Kek

>>50266382
Warehouse package handler?

>>50263764
Idk but my ups driver is a goddamn fucking retard, always forgets he has the fob to the fucking building and I had to put a sign out front telling him, if he forgot the fob, it goes round back. He just doesn't fucking listen and instead of redelivering, or letting someone more competent redeliver the next day, he brings it back to the fucking faggotass ups access point. I hate ups so much.

>>50266417
Get fucked delivery cuck. Once the UPS guy finishes fucking you he went to go fuck your mother

Yes. Word of advice it sucks physically though. Don't plan to make it a long term career even though the money is decent. It should only be a stepping stone to become a UPS driver or stacking cash to do something else to include a skilled job like programming. My current role now as a CDL B driver I make about the same as if I was working all that overtime at UPS but physically its only 90 percent of the effort. Why? Because not many people can or will drive a HAZMAT truck. Easy money in it though. Ironically enough I'm still aiming to do the learn to code meme but without any student debt and with a paid off house *before* hand.

>>50264380
Just under 30 right now. Not ideal but I’m saving for a house

>UBS parcel distribution representative
>83k starting straight out of school
>Career promotion within 5 years to 125k
>38h week
>Love joking with my colleagues or as I call them 'Family'

Why am I supposed to learn how to code again?

>>50263764
unionized

>>50266470
The real reason is to start your own business within software development and that way you have a technical basis to evaluate your wagies performance and project management status. You don't need to get a BS in CS to do that though. Programming is a cheat code business in the sense that it provides near permissionless leverage to scale and is far easier to scale than meat space businesses like if you wanted to start a trucking company for example.

>>50266499
Checked and no. FedEx doesn't have a union and pays comparable wages.

>>50266509
*comparable* Also known as less than.

>>50263898
start out at 70k? is that whats it like in burgerland? lmao people get paid like $10k/year in this third world shithole. $70k for some fresh grad retard who knows nothing really is the american dream

>>50263776

They're union which helps.

It's tough and physically demanding work, though. And STEM can make more than $42/hr after 5-10 years in the workforce, you don't hit a cap there.

>>50266577
Checked you nigger faggot. FedEx pays their warehouse workers $21/hr here BUT they have to learn forklift which is actually physically easier and their overtime isn't unlimited. So while you are pedantically right you are also a faggot who I would torture to death if I ever got the chance.

>>50263764
I work for UPS part time and had health insurance, a nice salary and they paid my tuition for a STEM degree. I wasnt a delivery driver, I was a tug driver at their airport hub driving packages inside from the planes and diff places in the facility. Get gud faggot

I mean I get 8 hours pay min every day I work even if I finish in 4 hours. Sucks to be fat

>>50266691
*worked

>>50266417

Nah just lazy. Fuck you and your notes I hate commercial building I bring it to the wrong place on purpose what they gonna do fire me lmao

>>50266454
Man, some of you just really love being slaves

ups = teamster union

>>50263856
>that codenigger who inflates his salary by 35% minimum every time he talks about money (which is several times a day)

>>50263764
Because they didn't skip leg day and you did, faggotron.

>>50266827
Love being slaves? Uh a bit yeah actually. It's actually comfy. I make a living wage. I'm paying my house down early. I've already bought my car in cash. My coworkers are cool dudes and the company owner isn't a dickweed but looks out for his employees. The day to day of my job is chill just listening to podcasts or music while driving. So yeah it's nice. I'm not doing it long term if you read up thread but it's not that bad. You all are such niggers you can't see the benefits of having humility to take an L in the short term to reach a long term goal though. So much gay black and white thinking on this board. Either you're a NEET millionaire or kys. Either you're a $200K WFH chad or a min wage cuck etc. Many including yourself have the mentality of small children or retarded tribals on these type of issues.

What the other anons said is correct. You have to put 5-8 years in before you get a full time driving position with UPS. Granted, you will make $35+ an hour but you're carrying around heavy ass boxes all day in the worst weather imaginable.

Drive a semi instead. In the AC 100% of the time. Make $100k in a couple years

>>50266953
Bonus points if you go through a company program like Wal-Mart or FedEx they're paying $100K out the gate these days.

>>50263764
UPS drivers are the best drivers in the business. They hire all alphas

>>50267168

>>50263898
The majority is like me who is a chad and makes 200k practically doing nothing every week except for a few lines of code and work from home

>>50264070
As senior software dev you just might do 2-3h coding a day or even a week from home and say you spent a whole week on it, get paid easy 100k+ if not 200k.

Rest of the free time you can spend in gym and hooking up with gays

>>50263776
Still not worth it to be a UPS driver

>>50263764
how badly would the economy crash if everyone ITT signed up to become a delivery driver then didn't deliver anything.

>>50263898
College is what now? 30-40k /yr? No thanks. It was around 20k for a good school when I was that age and it still looked like a rip off. And that’s just tuition.

>>50266288
Checked and former ups coordinator here, it’s a trash soulsucking xompany, glad I left

>>50269204
i just applied to be a manager in their accounting/finance department. is the entire company shit, or just the logistics wagie side of it?

>>50269238
>atlanta

>>50267916
You will be the first to be jobless in a crash, especially when you brag about not working

>>50263764
Because you have to do years of back breaking work inside the warehouse making $15/hr part time before you ever get a chance to drive, and then it takes years from there before you start making any of the big bucks.
t. ups warehouse monkey

>>50269292
>not gambling on that 1 in 10,000 chance of fucking white washed std-free 10/10 nigger pussy in HOTLANTA

>>50263856
>most coding jobs now start at $100K
Most coding jobs start at 0 (unpaid internship so you can put something on your resume). The only way you _start_ at $100k without making experience is if you have a master’s degree and won some coding competition.
I’m so sick of this learn to code bro meme. Entry level in this field is way way oversaturated and you have very little chance of making it.

>>50264329
mfw been a zogbot for 14 years and you make more than me.

>>50269311
enjoy sitting in horrible traffic wagie

>>50269337
the role said location flexible. if they don't let me work remotely then fuck them.

>>50263776
lol I made $45 an hour as an intern with ~12 hours of easy programming work a week last year, not to mention it was also WFH

>>50269368

>>50269344
this is the correct answer. How can npc's live a life commuting like that every day is beyond me.

but muh hustle and bustle of the big city!

>>50263768
UPS drivers make a lot. Easily over six figures with overtime. It's a shit job though, long hours, horrible on the body, and you're constantly being pushed to deliver more and deliver faster.

>>50267725
The majority of early 20's 4chan LARPers who are still in school, yes.

>>50266241
>Everyone just own a business and make a gazillion dollars, it's that easy!
Ok boomer. What useless business do you have? Saas? "Consulting"?

>>50267725
Lmao only time I hear this shit is from people in anonymous websites. Very few people get paid multi 6 figure salaries for a few hours of work. For every one person doing that, thousands of others work their 40 hours, get paid well, but earn it.

>>50269824
Yeah I hate that too. It's literally impossible for everyone to own their own business.

>>50269976
i'm a accountant and i've thought about making my own bookkeeping business. i could easily charge $75/hour. the risk of being sued and dragged through court, even behind an LLC, puts me off the idea. and this is a business with basically a $0 startup cost. i have no idea how anyone in this day and age can start a business that requires any capital. unless you're bribing politicians and are basically untouchable from a legal perspective, it's such a massive risk that it might as well be avoided.

>>50270019
You have a higher chance of getting hit by lightning than getting audited and worrying about law suits. Do it, but its omega boring work.

>>50269332
I only make 30 an hour. I worked 60 hours one week and around 50 the other. I have also been with the company for about 10 years

Stemcels are just butter at the UPS bulls.

>>50269809
>six figures
no, no they dont
the semi drivers yeah
but the local brown truck drivers get 50-60k, long hours, body problems
they all have a "walk"
but eyyyy man no pee test
>t. ex ups

>>50266953
>5-8 years
also nope
you just have to use personal relations to get ahead
i knew a guy who got driver position after about 8 months, just because they were short on drivers at the moment
>he gets fired for being drunk a few months later
the "put in your years" memes are something the lords tell the boomer truck loaders so they stick around
>yea sure, two more years and you get to drive
>get back in the trailer were backed up again

>>50270019
>complains about massive risks
>spends his life on a Mongolian basket weaving forum gambling his entire life savings on dog-monkey-man-bear-pig-nigger coin
wat

>>50266656
60-65k per year with OT
pretty much drop that shit and get on with
the chad Teamsters at UPS
you foul mouth anonymous poster.>>50267025
>>50267025

>>50269303
i know your pain bro

>>50270785
your very misinformed. after 4 years and you are a RPCD regular package car driver top rate is about 39 an hour. youre going to get ot like everyday. most guys gross approx 100k some more so and others less.

but they do hurt and in many places walk around 8-12 miles a day

>>50263764
I was a UPS driver last summer and I made less than 32k annually.

Who the fuck told you this straight up lie?

>>50272274
>less than 32k annually
was this UPS Somalia? lmao.

>>50272298
You've never worked an actual job in your life.

>>50272317
i make $100k a year from home at a company you've definitely heard of.

>>50272327
Sure you did little man.

>>50264070
>”paid to work out”
>sit in a truck all day
>lordosis hunchback
>soggy porridge glutes
>pot belly
>tight hips make you shuffle like a 90 year old
>tired from a long day even though you did little physical work so you never go to the gym
Lol come on dude

>>50272343

>>50272372
>trying so hard to impress a stranger online he inspect elements his paycheque
Stop I'm gonna bust a gut

>>50266288

The only way you become manager is if you're a nigger... unless you're in literal nowhere.

>>50272372
Are you bragging about earning 95k? Lol

>>50272435
no i actually feel poor as shit

i just dont understand how this guy can make "less than" $32k a year as a UPS driver unless he's doing routes in mogadishu

>>50265449
Assuming you work lots of overtime at your labor job...

>>50266317
? That's not how UPS works, and if ur part time they still offer the same bennies

>>50272317
see
>>50265163
Why do ya’ll talk out of your ass and larp so much

>>50272485
No, he's right. I worked there and it's a shit hole pyramid scheme to trick people into stacking the boxes more than anything. Management will literally conspire to keep you in the box pushing shit also because no one wants to fucking do it. You can't just go into driving, because there's a shit load of box pushers in front of you.

>>50272459
There's literally no magic job where you work 1 hour a week and get paid 200k plus stock options and a complimentary Vietnamese hooker for your sexual needs. All those threads are fake. I hate 4chan because it peddles meme-tier line-cutting bullshit like "just program on github and you'll be a senior software dev in no time" when actually going to college and putting in the time to build a network and work history would be more productive than shilling your shitty RPG clone game like it's a meaningful thing.

>>50266382
>The nearest UPS will put you on for $21 hr starting.
You are full of fucking shit you retard. They start you at $15/hr now and your benefits don't even kick in until a year of wasting your life there.

>>50272456
You don't understsnd because you never worked for UPS as a delivery driver before you pretentious skidmark.

I certainly wasn't making 40$ an HR but I was busting my ass during the hot summer months with plenty of mandatory OT and was getting raped with taxes

>>50272564
>pacheque
are you in the UK or some shit?

>>50272576
No, you gay bastard
Typing on phone and stopped caring about fat fingering the keyboard

>>50272576
Dude is larping rpcd starts at 21 and 4 year progression to 40+hr
weird to lie but whatever

>>50272871
,could care less if you little kids still surviving off trust funds or mommy and daddy's allowance believe that a UPS driver doesn't make 200k starting
18$-20$ is the realistic average and anyone that says otherwise is lying pos

>>50272911
the union cobtract is public you subhuman >>50265163
>>50265163
>>50265163
>>50265163
>>50265163
>>50265163

>>50269809
a local UPS driver with 10 years of experience makes at least 75k if not closer to 100

it's not really a hard job if you can manage your vehicle well and are in shape enough to stand up/carry packages/ for 7 hours a day. It's not that bad really compared to someone who does hard labor. You never get exhausted or anything.

>>50272274
Faggot who doesn’t know what classification to get hired at. Even off the streets make more
>>50266953
Current wait time in my building was about 1.5 years from start date to 22.4 driver making 28hr. 3 calander years after your first day driving, you “top out”. Current top out will be a little under 42hr
>>50266454
Iv been there 20 years now. I have a comfy residential route. If walking from your truck to the front door and back Is an issue, you are overweight.

The first 5 or so years driving are hard though, apartment and industrial routes. >>50264329
2 weeks? You must be a Canadian faggot. We get paid weekly. >>50272871
Only people who start rcpd are rare off the street hires. 22.4 is usually first.

I have made over 100k a year, I have enough seniority that I now only work 3/4 days a week. I get first dibs to go/stay home if there is enough staffing. 4 weeks paid vacation, 8 personal days on top of that paid. 0 cost health insurance, low deductible.

>>50272416
>The only way you become manager is if you're a nigger... unless you're in literal nowhere
These days yah sorta, or a woman, but I'm an olderfag

Teamsters bud, Unions make this possible. Worked there for about 5 years, went into management but you can start out as a package handler and move into driving and clear 80k + during peak with essentially unlimited OT.

An average UPS driver makes about 90k a year at top scale, 41$ an hour in my state. If you want to work 60 hrs a week you can easily make 120k. Combine that with 5 weeks paid vacation a year, benefits and a pension
T~ been doing this shit for 13 years

stressful dangerous job.

>>50273337
It’s amazing how soft people are now and days. It’s not easy work…… but there are 300lb fat fucks and women that do the job.

>>50273337
I worked 3 days at a UPS facility, and it was bullshit.

Safety is our number one priority and use proper lifting methods, now watch us crank the belt and give you 3 trucks to load.

>120k in the hole
>make 100k at 24
>in NJ
JUST

>>50263764
They work them to death is why. They don't a gym their JOB is the gym

>>50263764
A lot of niggers do this kind of job so jews artificially raised the rates for these niggers.

>>50273337
Oh yeah?
Try delivering a pizza in 30 minutes, faggot.

>>50273001
>in shape enough to stand up/carry packages/ for 7 hours a day
Yeah those packages people order from Ali Baba with clothes are so heavy..

>>50273442
>give you 3 trucks to load
You're a weak pussy

I've been at UPS for 14 years, 3 car load is easy, you're just a zoomer faggot unused to hard work

>>50273666
Checked. Anything I don’t feel like carrying, I get the hand cart out. All of my peers are fat and bald, I’m in my late 30s and in the same physical condition I was my early 20s, and look the same minus a couple gray hairs coming in. Constant vitamin D keeps me healthy, happy, and with a head full of hair. Getting at least 1 hour or sun per day is one of the most potent redpills around. I get 8.

>>50273166
what's 22.4 ?
asking for a fren

>>50273883
Our pussy ass union made 2 separate full time driver classifications, and 2 different pay rates. 22.4 is basically an entry level full time spot. You work Tuesday-sat. Rcpd aka regular full time drivers have Mon-fri, and have overtime protection (if you don’t want to work all night)

>>50269809
You also deliver to the martin luther king Blvd

>>50273909
check and thanks.
Teamsters will be forced to create a tiered work
force to stay competitive with the non union
FedEx and Amazon deliverers
If the Teamsters could organize those two
company's that tier non sense would stop .

>>50273917
I worked in the hood for a couple years. Overrated. Nobody fucks with the ups man. Lots of low iq street dudes didn’t get the memo and use UPS for drug shipments. Iv been approached before, I knew where the convo was going (wanted my involvement), I cut them off… told them I don’t wanna know anything about anything nor do I care. And that was that. Always entertaining working in the hood.

Now I work in one of the most wealthy zip codes in the country.

Someone rename this board to wage cucks. 9 out of 10 of you have never even been self employed. I just want your wagie banter off of here I’m tired of reading it.

>>50266609
reletive to your shithole ronjeet 10k usd is a fuck tun

>>50274105
I also hold more than a made it stack of link. I actually enjoy my job except for July and august when the heat is brutal. I need 3 mil before i retire.

>>50263764
What's the best tractor trailer career path bros?

>>50274262
pic related

>>50264474
You can whine about it as much as you want, meanwhile UPS drivers are walking away with $40 an hour and the best benefits this side of the Atlantic.

>>50272372
You look more pathetic going out of the way to post this. Clearly seething

>>50264075
absolutely this

i'm studying mechanical engineering so i can be a mad scientist.

i can't believe people are in stem and not trying to do some nefarious with it! We need robotic pussy!

>>50274262
Personally I would try to get in at FedEx freight, old dominion, averert, central (or maybe it’s yellow now idk), and t force

In my area all of those companies are hiring. I think they all start off between 25-30hr. You will be employed by the company = bene’s, pto ect. Those are local delivery jobs. 9-6ish. You can possibly find An OTR millage oportunity, but it will likely be a sleeper team and your life will be in the hands of another guy who might have done too much cocaine on the weekend and will fall asleep and kill your both while your in the bed in the back.

If you can find a good broker, Or good connections for steady well paid runs, buying your own truck and being an owner operator pays. Buy a 2 year old peterbuilt/Volvo in good shape, and let the money rolll in. True trucker life.

>>50273612
kys, no joke

Mailman here. We had a Carrier last year make $119k with overtime. She basically worked 7 days a week during short staffing

>>50274465
i'm curious, when you americans say this "119k"/year, this is before tax, right? who actually gives a shit about pay before tax?

>>50274465
Do you niggers follow the 6 day 70hr max DOT rules?

>>50263764
ask them about their piss jar in the back of the package car.

>>50274479
Unless otherwise specified, Americans discussing pay are always using before tax figures.

>>50274360
thanks bro, gonna look those up

>>50274522
Checked. It’s piss bottles my guy. On days I’m in money mode I will drive 15 min to the nearest public bathroom to piss, and 10-15 min back to my area. On days I’m trying to get home I slap my dick in a bottle.

>>50274537
what's a typical % of tax they pay?

>>50274576
My effective income tax is 20%ish. I live in a free state so no state income tax.

>>50274576
Varies depending on your state and number of dependents, but according to the paycheck calculator site I just checked 119K would net me (a single childless man in a state with a 5% state tax) 83K.

>>50274480
Not if it means the mail does not go out. I have 23 years of service and was forced in on a Sunday for 8 hours recently for Amazon packages. Finally getting more staff onboard. We are hiring everywhere. It is a non political place really.

>>50274522
Piss Bottles. Word to the wise. Don't put your mail where you eat, it may be filthy.

The company runs a masive blatant wage theft operation against their part time employees and the union just allows it. They also had to settle on a fraud lawsuit leveled by the government recently. This company is criminal and owes billions in taxes.

>>50274576
Nigger, I made about $85000 last year, plus about $15,000 from rentals and side business. Due to fully funding my 401K (26,000 year after age 50) and both our traditional IRAs we paid zero tax state or federal. Tax benefits of rentals are great, you lose money on paper while gaining equity. Also use our residence as place of business so write off 20% of everything as a business expense. Bought a furnace and A/C unit this year. I can legitimately deduct part of it. Just saying tax rates can vary wildly based on ability to use every deduction in the tax code.

>>50272355
I used to be a deliver driver and sadly that's true. There's lots of loaded carries on the job, so that's a kind of workout, but you also get injured, constantly pull some muscle or other, etc.

>>50266460
wut? 30 a week?

>>50274710
It's impossible to profit on parcel services alone. They worked so hard to destroy USPS because it's unironically the only company in the field whose business model actually works (using mail to subsidize packages), and part of it is that they aren't out to profit. They were making everyone else look bad.

>>50263764
>stem meme and make less and have 30k in student loans
If you dislike the STEM you studied, you should either become a codenigger or drop the STEM path entirely. Go become a project manager or something (a really good one) and get paid similarly for much less work

I got tired of (pretending to) code, so I'm switching over to product team. I realize product niggers barely know anything and get paid ~85% and it's MUCH EASIER to promote.

>>50266609
>start out at 70k? is that whats it like in burgerland?
ya that's honestly low.
I make 300k and barely know how to code. 6 yoe

>>50263764
I worked as a helper for UPS for the holiday season one year and it was fun but you breathe in so much dust and dirt that it is simply not worth the pay. I would often cough and get black particles in my mucus. It would be interesting to determine how many people develop respiratory problems later in life after working for UPS.

>>50269300
>You will be the first to be jobless in a crash, especially when you brag about not working
I will be too, but my net worth is $800k, so I'll just take unemployment and book a vacation

t.300k/year for almost zero lines of code

>>50269323
>Entry level in this field is way way oversaturated and you have very little chance of making it.
Haven't seen anyone trying not make it.

of course, I've never seen more than 1 person over age 22 properly "try" learn2code. zero over age 28 (they exist, but rare enough I have not met them)

>>50270831
> i knew a guy who got driver position after about 8 months, just because they were short on drivers at the moment

No shit thats just how it works almost anywhere you don't have to know anyone.
There's literally a sign up list everyone has access to. Average in my building is two years for 22.4 driving
then you still have to work for a few years to catch a RPCD. Openings come up once or twice a year
even though the lists will have like 40+ signups cause its a hard af job and new drivers usually quit.
Then you have to drive RPCD for years till you can get a good feeder(semi truck) bid unless you wanna take night/preload routes.

You won't have airconditioning ever. A guy just died this week from heat stroke. It doesn't matter even if your in Phoenix or Anchorage you'll be doing ~10hrs in everything pretty much no exceptions and no real breaks. They do not give a fuck its common on the inside to have people throw up during the summer from working in the trailers.

Then its just a straight up hard job. Worst I've seen is 250ish stops in one day no helper. Nonstop running unless you're driving.
Random underpaid handlers load your truck like dogshit before quitting after a few days. Complete gamble if its an unbelievable shitshow
when you walk in so you'll have to check every single package cause your the one respossible for their fuck ups i.e. if you miss a super tiny small hidden behind the clusterfuck that is a loaded truck you HAVE rerun your route and deliver it, even if you have multiple misloads. Good loaders are a godsend and drivers practically bribe them to stay on their trucks but are rare cause no one wants to wake up at 3am to work for minimum wage for only 20hrs a week.
TLDR; Unbelievable dumbfucks think its easy money. Don't bother unless you think roofing or the military are easy money too.

Only real tip; apply for package driver on the outside they hire a % of outside applicants WITHOUT having to be a loader.

>>50274262
Anything Teamster that isn't UPS, LTL companies will be home daily if you want that. Otherwise get specialized like tanker, oversized, hazmat etc. for better pay.
OTR and dry van sucks dick 90% of the time.
Owner Operator only if you really know what your doing and want to deal with the overhead.
OTR driving schools will stick you with an absolutely shitty contract. Try to do one with a teamster company.

I used to be a driver for UPS and if I could get paid as much as I do as a software engineer I'd go back immediately. Desk jobs are awful.

>>50267025
>>50271435
You dumbasses saying to drive truck are in for a rude awakening in 20-30 years when your back is shot, you’re probably obese because the vast majority of truckers are due to sheer boredom, and your wife probably left because you’re always gone driving.

t. son of a semi driver

>>50263764
>welding inspector chad, reporting for duty
>5 days on/5 days off - 12 hour shifts
>chill in a comfy office until you get a call saying the welders are ready for inspection
>hurry up and wait is our motto
>in a 60hr work week, I do MAYBE 8hr of labour
>$130k CAD a year

>>50276371
This coding meme job has been around a lot longer than you think.

>>50278721
>This coding meme job has been around a lot longer than you think.
What do you believe I think that length of time is? I feel like we haven't even discussed it

>>50274479
If I recall correctly Americans have to submit their own tax, even as employees and the tax and mandatory 'health and pension' contributions are not deducted from the pay automatically by the employers. On the one hand, more headaches, on the other you know exactly how much the state wants to rob you.

That headache is why they do not get to an approx 50% difference between before and after 'tax' income.

Is UPS in the UK as good/bad as elsewhere?

>>50263768
The trick with UPS and FedEx is to drive the trucks for at least ten years. They scale up pay, and its so ridiculous that there are boomer delivery drivers making six figures to drive the trucks while passenger newbie zoomies actually load and unload.

The supply chain is important and probably the backbone of the economy.

>>50281496
This

>>50279486
Health benefits through work, as well as 401k are deducted from your paycheck automatically.

All we have to do is files taxes 1 time a year and it takes 15 minutes. Unless you have a business and you need to file receipts as business expenses then thats a bit different.

>>50263764
These fuckers make bank. I worked seasonal for them and one of the drivers was making 50+ an hour before overtime

>>50263776
This. But it's very hard work

>>50269303
hired at fedex as a driver with no previous driving experience making 25+/hr

>>50288463
ground or express

>>50288491
the latter

>>50288525
u must live in a high col area cause express hiring most people at 18-19

>>50288558
seattle

>>50263764
One just died in his truck here from exposure lmfao. Fucking go for it delivery nigger.

>>50263764
imagine comparing sitting in the hot sun for 8 hours a day to literal meme coding WFH work

>>50288620
figures