/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50240984
>We have the tools to stop greedy companies from gouging prices.
If it works in wartime, why shouldn't it work all the time? WE COULD LITERALLY JUST MAKE INFLATION ILLEGAL, GUYS!
please don't consider the men behind the curtain

>>50241201
>If it works in wartime, why shouldn't it work all the time
that was literally the argument behind central planning after ww1 and 2

>>50241251
>the government decide how many boots i should lick
>the government decides how much i should lick every boot
>the government decide if i should start smelling farts instead of licking boots
>see guys everything works on paper just ignore every single time said policies ended up in surpluses and shortages but at least capitalism is made by the state now and not by private individuals

>>50240984
What's with all the Pro big government posts recently? Is the CIA worried ?

>>50240984
do you have a measurement for what constitutes a company and does a government match your model

>>50241583
People are pro helping the people.

>>50241361
yes good point, i'd rather put my faith in the free market and allow rootless cosmopolitan jews with foreign citizenship (or the capacity to get foreign citizenship) can dictate everything in my life, never to my advantage, while they dangle false choices and treacherous dead ends in front of me.

>>50241251
Big Gov and Big Corp in USA already does this, they just let people in on the plan.

>>50241707
People are pretentious faggots.

>>50241759
>rootless cosmopolitan jews with foreign citizenship
What kind of brain tumor do you have to think jews are behind everything except the government? Fucking socialist shiller.

>>50241707
Big government only helps the government and the elites though. Price controls only create scarcity and break business, especially small businesses. Like I said, what's with all the CIA posting recently ?

>>50241583
>CIA
>"pro big government"
lmoa, the CIA exists to enforce the interests of businesses

>>50241759
At least they’re motivated by convincing you to purchase something by offering value. The alternative is daddy govt putting a gun in your face and saying “do it because I say so”

>>50242161
>Big government only helps the government and the elites though.
Meaningless statement. Of course the people that control the government use it to enrich themselves.
> Price controls only create scarcity and break business,
How much scarcity was there under Nixon when he did the price-wage freeze?
>especially small businesses.
I am not a small business and thus do not care

>>50241764
Lol not really, we all know they do it but most of their shit is decided behind closed doors. They couldn’t care less what the people think

>>50241759

unironically yes, private sector does it better

>>50242242
jews are actually good because they are subject to the free market, god i love libertarians

>>50240984
muh capitalism

>>50240984
That’s communism and yes seethe lolbertarians

>>50241759
Based. But not redpilled.

>>50242161
The government is only a tool, if the people take control of the tool then the people will use it to help the people. The problem is that so many people have been convinced by extremists that government is bad unless the capitalists control it.

>>50242795
brainlet take.

Are people not aware that it was a disaster the last time we tried it?

>>50243465
this time is different

>>50243524
Smack: just one more hit
Immunity: just one more jab
Communism: just one more purge

>>50243583
america is over

>>50240984
>why is nobody willing to do whats right for the people?
Because too many people are getting rich from price gouging and more generally from neoliberal capitalism as it is.

>>50242795
>The government is only a tool
>if the people take control of the tool then the people will use it to help the people
Why do governments around the world fight tooth an nail to remove the tools to control that govt (aka free flow of information and arms)?
Maybe governments develop a life of their own to subjugate citizens.

>>50244730
you're crazy, anon. all we have to do is just to elect better leaders and everything will work out fine.

>>50241759
>yes good point, i'd rather put my faith in the government and allow rootless cosmopolitan jews with foreign citizenship (or the capacity to get foreign citizenship) can dictate everything in my life, never to my advantage, while they dangle false choices and treacherous dead ends in front of me.
The problem doesn't involve economics anon.

>>50244753
Nobody needs leaders, the only thing a country needs are determined, industrious and free citizens. Everything else will come by itself. "Leaders" misdirect resources form the areas people value the most to the thing, the system values the most, in militarized counties the military, in socialist countries excessive welfare or whatever the new bullshit fad may be.

>>50241707
Yes anon. People are pro help people. And *we* are the people. I mean we *Are* the people.

>>50240984
price controls don't work.

>>50241251
>6. everyone starves

>>50242795
>>50244855
check'em
>>50244730
>>50241759
Let me tell you something I have learned more, about America from scrolling through image boards than all the subreddits in the country.
https://youtu.be/161Unns1Xlk?t=54

>>50244730
>>50244691
Whatever is is you should clean up /b/. It's like an open sewer here. It's full of filth and SCUM. Sometimes I can Hardly take it. Whatever-ever becomes the president should just {HONK} *REALLY* clean it up know what I mean?


https://youtu.be/161Unns1Xlk?t=80

>>50241759
>>50241361
>>50241201
Sometimes I scroll through /b/ you know I see a gore thread and I - I get headaches it's so bad you know and they just never go away. I just think that the president should clean jp this whole mess here, HE SHOULD JUST FLUSH DOWN THE TOILET, you know?

>>50241759
This retard is probably vaccinated

>>50241201
>>50241251
This but unironically, there's no getting around the fact that it undisputed was a massive success for China

>>50240984
That’s how you end up with shortages.
Imagine this shit with GPUs and PlayStations was food and medicine.

>>50243465
We use price controls here in Norway for many things though including, and most importantly, our healthcare. (We have price caps for insulin, for instance) No disasters and we've been doing it for nearly a century now.

>>50245677
Laws preventing scalping fixes this.

>>50245796
Price controls have never worked. They have tried this all the way back to roman times, it only adds to the chaos. Why do you stupid fucks keep advocating for the same dumb policies?

>>50245848
Because they do work and capitalists need to revise history so that their price gouging will never stop.

>>50246546
>shortages are a capitalist conspiracy theory
This is why people kill commies instead of trying to reason with them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_on_Maximum_Prices

Fun watching things that don't work get tried over and over again. I could forgive the Romans as they had no idea.

>>50244730
>>50246546
you stupid communists always want slavery. Why don't you come clean my house for me and I will set a fair price that I feel like paying you.

>>50242161
What policies actually help small business then? Capped prices destroy them in theory, uncapped prices have destroyed them over the past 50 years so what do we need? One set of rules for small business one for big business?

>>50245243
Wouldn't it be fair to call China a mixed market example. Command aspects as the backbone and control mechanism with the free ish market doing most of the day to day things?

>>50246600
I tried once. They ended up just saying they'd kill me and anyone else opposing their revolution, hence pointless to reason with them

>>50248113
I mean, people did small amounts of business in lots of centrally planned economies, its not like communists ever get rid of markets, they just use them differently. The only people who actually seem to want to abolish markets are like, technocrats who want pure rationing or those currencyless voucher systems and shit. Or people who want like, ancient tribal stuff i guess.

>>50248160
That much is true. What I meant is in a lot of their industries they really do seem to allow free market competition so long as it benefits them. Take for instance their public private partnerships or their 49-51 foreign partnerships. I'm saying they seem to choose to be hands off whenever it suits them

>>50248207
I see what you mean. There's certainly an argument to be made about the extent either way. China certainly does more stuff in this sort of area than the other famous central planners, so whether or not they did it, china does way more of it you are absolutely right.
The foreign stuff is the most interesting part to me. Because thinking about it, the cold war and its legacy has left most central planners having a hard time trading with non central planners. China's mixed system arguably let them seem more "friendly" and we all started trading with them.
I wonder if the system itself is responsible for their wealth, or if the system simply provides access to us as trading partners, and that is the majority of the benefit. There's probably economics papers on the subject somewhere its just a thought i had I'm sure someone else has thought about it better and has an answer.

>>50241707
'no'

>>50244855
Based and blessed

>>50248328
I would argue that the main reason for their prosperity is that their system allows for the best of both systems for China (and worst of both for everyone else). The no holds barred free market capitalist aspect of their economy allows their companies to undercut, outmaneuver, and pretty much do every underhanded business practice Western companies haven't been able to get away with so blatantly since the industrial revolution. The central planning aspect (and unmatched petty corruption) may sometimes step on companies for state benefit or political faction interests, but it also means major industries have the informal if not outright backing of the state in the form of subsidies, breaks, trade policy, espionage, overlooking crimes, and anything else if they know the right people.

Tldr their companies have it great, no meaningful regulation and simultaneously state backed and protected, at the expense of everyone else

>>50248328
Side not I had to do a thing on those foreign partnerships when I was in college. Tldr they force you to give majority stake to a chink firm of you wanna access their markets, that's manufacturing or retail or service. That way they (a Chinese company which is required to have a CCP member among its leadership cadre) control the operation, control allocation of funds and revenues, and most of all, can have unadulterated access to any proprietary information. Now most of them at ball to a degree, ad your chunk partners are of course people you chose to partner with, but ultimately they have control and you're more or less along for the ride if it comes down to it. Assuming my memory isn't THAT off

>>50248635
*Most of them play ball to a degree, and your chink partners are of course
Damn drunken typos

>>50240984
>Set price controls
>Price is set artificially low
>At first just directly above costs
>Costs rise
>Now directly at costs
>Costs keep going up
>Nobody can afford to sell at these costs and so they stop buying
>Producers have no buyers and stop producing
>Industry is kill and now there are shortages
>If you're lucky this doesn't happen to a necessary like flour

>>50248704
Why would costs rise when the costs can be set? This is why all these arguments fail. You can plan an economy and set prices. Corporate greed can't factor when they are prevented from gouging prices.

>>50240984
>to do whats right for the people.
You speak so clowny that it's obvious you're larping.

>>50248788
Because unless you procure all ingredients, fabricate all machines and their parts, assemble everything, and have your own fuel source to do all of this shit within your own borders, at some point you're going to be hit with outside costs that are subject to the free market.
Furthermore, even if you set prices on everything that you magically produce in your one country, you're fixing costs which fixes efforts and rewards the lowest performers at the determent if the best preformers. Why work harder for more efficient output if you're going to get your 2 rations a day no matter what?

>>50248842
Not only that but think of what happens on the demand side of price controls. When something's in desperate demand and the prices don't reflect that people hoard, destroying supply even faster. And before that retard says rationing literally every rationing program has a black market spring up just as quickly

>>50245743
That's a nice homogeneous society you have there

>>50240984
juicy bait anon, but if you're serious take a look at argentina to see if price control actually works

Price controls never work, that is economics 101.
Pro-tip: minimum wage is just a form of price control

>>50248788
These are the ppl you take crypto advice from lmao

>>50241583
Zoomer communists from discord who came here to flip shitcoins, got burned and now spam their gay "GIVE ME MONEY YANGGANG" shit.

>>50240984
It totally works guys. Every time, like clockwork. Just need enough cops

>>50240984
Every communist jew itt needs to shot.

By and large, price controls are a bad idea.

>muh capitalism bad
China, which is run by communists, gave up on most of its price controls, and only has them for metals and a few other raw materials now.

>>50248788
>umm why worry about reality if we can just force it to not exist?
The absolute state of you.
Return to where you came from

With price control you can buy more (obviously), if you can find anything at the store.