/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50173896
anon, crumb season isn’t for another 6 months

>>50173896
when 2k eoy

>>50173980
pink aws id

>>50173896
ICP vs ADA. ICP vs HBAR. ICP vs Godzilla. ICP vs cheesecake. These threads are the worst.

Right now it's ICP vs the inflationary death spiral.

They really screwed up the tokenomics

>>50174020
>ICP vs Godzilla
>God id

>>50174060
>Out id
ya death spiral that's why it's been crabbing for a month

>>50173995
we will go lower and higher from this point - not in any specific order

>>50173896

ICP is not needed nor desired by anyone. What part of this don't you understand? Nobody is interested in this pos outside of the 8 of you who start these threads & spam. ICP will never gain mass adoption. Not even 1%.

>>50174205
its not too late to buy back in lol

sold all my icp the second they took that guys mario game down. how is this different to aws if kikes control everything? it isnt

>>50174245
Those with money have sway over vote. The offset is the staking. You'd have to commit to 8 years to get max vote away power. But the thing is people will create neuron trading. And once that is done the Neural network system is dead floating in the water. All you have to do is buy in, make a vote, sell neuron. It's really that easy. It's not really a democracy, only those with money have any real influence, or those that started ICP. I know the ICP not for profit and the internet computer association are going to do the right thing. But they don't have to. Just like AWS does the right thing but doesn't have to. The governance and tokenomics to me are flawed but I don't think there is a perfect system for this.
>T. 3k ICP holder

>>50173896
https://vocaroo.com/19FUI2vM4VmL

>>50174060
>deaths spiral
This.

ICP functions EXACTLY like a Kohler Tresham.
Some have compared it to a TOTO CWT, but that's not exactly correct because it leaves out the "death spiral" (called "cycles" in the ICP system) as your money goes away.

Now, some say that literally burning your money is more efficient, but this really depends on local burn ordinances, so I'm left to consider it as the best system for going poor that exists.
By 2030 there will be no money left on the planet for anyone.
It's that much of a game changer.

>>50173896
by every metric conceivable, eth failed to deliver
why bother killing it?

>>50174356
nigger you won't be able to ever trustlessly trade neurons. It's not possible, it's cryptographically impossible. This is pajeet tier fud I hope people don't fall for this

>>50175073
The founder of icdevs.org says otherwise. Not like he knows anything. Good job you really know what you invested in.

>>50175160
bullshit fud you have no source. I repeat Neuron trading is cryptographically impossible

>>50175507
https://twitter.com/afat/status/1533264278236667905?t=5cuNApo7_CUP-N1j8F68VA&s=19

What's sad is that I actually do. Congrats you got me to dig this just so I could have a gotchya moment

>>50175825
google wasn't working for me thank you for finding the source. I'm market selling my neuron and all my ICP when this launches, thanks anon

>>50175825
this is a massive security risk wow Dfinity fucking sucks. Fuck this shitty coin I'm wiping my hands clean of it. Being able to trade neurons makes the NNS completely worthless. If Dfinity doesn't patch this then it's unironically over

>>50176003
Now imagine bribing a neuron owner to vote a certain way.

>>50176088
yea that's always been possible. How politics works as well. The neuron staking and inability to trade was the only thing the NNS had going for it compared to other systems. With ECSDA trading there's 0 reason to lockup now. Dfinity may as well just unlock all neurons. Bright side is we may see all the dissolving neuron VC's finally dump to get that over and done with

>>50175974

>AAAAaaahhhhhahahaha

You piss holders are a absolute joke. To think you are on the same level as btc or eth or the invention of a new internet & telephone. You're all sick. This scam will die off & none of you will make your money back.

>>50176305
yea it's fucking over all of us piss holders have been delusional from the start. I've lost all my money now I'm just waiting to market sell my neuron

>>50176088
Yes this is possible. Which in turn makes the neuron market kind of harmless.
One important aspect of regular democratic elections is that it must be impossible for a voter to obtain proof of what they voted for. The reason is that without such proof, there is no real market for people selling their votes, or for trying to coerce people on how to vote.
With governance on the blockchain, we either have to capture this thinking and make confirmation of what you voted for impossible even for the voter, or we learn how to live in a world where the governance is for sale.
The basic argument in favor of this type of governance is that when your vote power matches your stake, those with most incentive to keep the chain healthy and successful will have the biggest vote. I suppose this argument could extend to a neuron market, such that owners of neurons big enough to have an impact would have the least incentive to rent them out for a vote with negative impact on the network.

Icpinus presale launches on the 7th. Make sure you nigger faggots get in or your mother dies tonight or you might miss a moonshot, or both

when they integrate btc, think theyll go back to pursuing integrating ETH ?

>>50173896
There's really no point comparing ICP to ETH, that's why people don't bother calling it an ETH killer. It's like calling nukes a spear-killer in reference warfighting technology. Or calling trains a wheelbarrow killer in reference to transportation technology. It's so obviously a completely different league that making the comparison is pointless.

>>50176622
where do you buy it
also joking about market selling my ICP, it's going to be the new internet

>>50176663
Icpinus dot com fren. Just get into the upcoming icp defi game and make back your losses or lose your ass

>>50173896
The EVM market is saturated, every copycat Ethereum-wanna-be L1 is doing crosschain / bridges, trying to siphon liquidity through EVM. Even Vitalik is sneak-dissing cross-chains and telling you that they impose a fundamental security risk. From my understanding Vitalik doesn't believe in crosschain future, and he is opting for a Multichain future.
He is right, there was no innovation until ICP genesis. From my understanding. ICP is the real deal, BTC-Integration is the real deal because canisters can validate blocks on the bitcoin network, submit tx's directly to the bitcoin network, validate transactions. Seems like /biz/ will missing the next 100 x again.

>>50176962
biz isn't missing shit I'm market selling everything you're a delusional ICP baggie

>>50177085
Post your bags and hands. Guarantee your stack is shit and is all hosted on aws

>>50174224
it’s going to $1 in the next 6 months
save my post and get ready to cope and sneed

>>50176663
>it's going to be the new internet
$1 EOM

>>50173896
>>50173896
BTC is the biggest crypto liquidity pool on the market. 3-4 larger than Ethereum. I think the biggest selling point is that direct integration eliminates the fundamental risk of bridging. I can't see any reason why ICP can't go beyond $1000 within 3-5 years. It's 7x times cheaper to read 1TB of data - 1000 times.

Source

https://icp.guide/costs-on-the-internet-computer/

https://twitter.com/SuddenlyHazel/status/1411443237387071489
AWS is racking in $50-$100 Million dollars in cloud-subscriptions.

https://www.ic.community/whats-the-value-of-the-internet-computer-ic/
It's unlikely that traditional companies will move to ICP, but this doesn't change the fact that thousands of Dapps will be launched from the IC and the probability that a few of them will be unicorns is more than probable in the next few years. Netflix is operating at a loss, many tech stocks are overvalued.

ICP has dramatically reduced the cost of building / hosting / storing dapps. This is something you can't do with other L1's that rely are stored, hosted, on traditional cloud like AWS. It's 7x 10x times cheaper to build, host, store on the IC.

I firmly believe that protocols are the new companies. It enables the creation of worldwide market places The adressable market is the entire world (global audience) coupled with powerful network effects and Smart contract automation (minimum business start up cost.

>>50177571
My penis will be 2000 cm end of year

>>50177085
ICP is the next 100x
Nobody on this cartoon forum can refute the fact that AWS is not only centralized - single node = single point of failure but also (unreliable, costly, unsustainable) not the future of finance. You're bag holding a database token larping as blockchain.

https://status.infura.io/ (Ethereum)
https://status.avax.network/
https://status.solana.com/
https://status.fathom.video/
Cloudfare outage on 21 June took down all the ''eth-killers''
Truth hits 10x harder than any dumb midwit troll attempt.

>>50177508
i really hope it does go to $1. I would buy the fattest stacks of piss. omg. even buying now at $5 feels like cheating. its like buying eth at the beginning of 2017 only staking is already live and apy is so high anything you stake will more than double. so comfy

>>50177968
Aws is not a single point of failure. They have data centers all across the world with a multitude of services to help with roll over, durability and availability in case of a region outage. Do you not know anything about AWS?

>>50178341
it will stay in the $1-2 range for the next 12 years

ICP functions very much like a Kohler Tresham.
Some have compared it to the TOTO CWT system, but that's not exactly correct because it leaves out the "swirling" (called "cycles" in the ICP system).

Now, some say that literally burning your money is more efficient, but this really depends on local burn ordinances, so I'm left to consider it as the best system for going poor that exists.
By 2030 there will be no money left on the planet for anyone.
It's that much of a game changer.

>>50174751
I'm tired of reading this fud. It wasn't funny the first time and I don't think it's scaring people off. In fact, it probably has the opposite effect.

>>50178697
>>50178766
yeah this one sucks
take it back to the lab and come back with something better

>>50178697
yea this copy pasta sucks it doesn't make much sense

>>50177777

lets face the truth that hedera is superior to both and even has the hbar foundation supporting top projects to build on its network

>>50178970
I found the pajeet

Most POS nodes are hosted on AWS. One call from Biden to Amazon is enough to take down nodes. That is the single point of failure.
Biden calls Amazon HQ, Amazon shutdowns nodes. Nodes down -Validators that run staking nodes run the risk losing their entire 6-7 figure stake. (Not risky at all)
The single point of failure is trusting amazon.

>>50179040
yea agreed ICP is going to underpin web development in the future by HBAR is by far the best. I mean look at all their gayass partnerships

>>50179040
Lol Does biden have jurisdiction on all continents? Because AWS is everywhere. Behold everyone, this is the average ICP holder midwit. You deserve to lose all your money.

>>50178354
>>50179040

>>50179219
>>50179214

>>50179214
no but Bezos has jurisdiction everywhere

behold everyone your avg ICP midwit fudder

>>50179040
>Most POS nodes are hosted on AWS. One call from Biden to Amazon is enough to take down nodes. That is the single point of failure.
>Biden calls Amazon HQ, Amazon shutdowns nodes. Nodes down -Validators that run staking nodes run the risk losing their entire 6-7 figure stake. (Not risky at all)
>The single point of failure is trusting amazon.
the absolute state of IC midwits.
What a fundamental lack of understanding about how ANY of this works.

>>50179270

>>50179270
Thats exactly how it works

>>50176647
That was always the roadmap anon. They even tweeted today asking for community input

>>50179289
no it is not. your reasoning is being effected by your hubris, which is leading you to make the incorrect conclusion.

>>50178832
>>50178789
>>50178766
From totally ignoring it to several responses in just a few days.
I've broken your will.

I'm comparing it to a toilet for the dumb one of your bunch.

>>50179477
You don’t understand security risks at all and how they need to be mitigated.
Basically all these supposed to be decentralized blockchains have a gun pointed at their heads by a centralized entity where the trigger can be pulled anytime.
I don’t understand how anybody who supports crypto currencies and decentralization doesn’t think this is a problem

Real question, can either be upgraded to be quantum resistant?

>>50174224
Considering it's the only coin I've ever seen that only goes down with loyal bagholders.... it's mathematically impossible for it to ever be too late. There's always another VC dump coming.

>>50174245
He took it down himself.

>>50179786
we're helping you out - it sucks and generates no responses
you'll come up with something better champ

>>50179956
Under the advice of members of the dfinity foundation

Btw can node providers still see all data hosted on the nodes they run? I remember that being a concern near beginning of the year

>>50180059
yea, it's not like you guys are coordinated posters or anything kek
It was being ignored because every ICP poster is a shil otherwise I'd have been told to kms more at least a few times

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH

both are dog shit
>ICP: literally a rug pull
>Ethereum: inefficient/unsustainable

I think Hedera will end up taking out both of them eventually. Its much more sustainable and the ecosystem is growing so fast with HBAR foundation investing so many resources into it. Their ecosystem will soon catch up to that of Ethereum

>>50180292
good luck with your coupons bro HAHA

All Hbar niggers must hang.

>>50179270
That seems very plausible, how does this not work? Amazon is an American company, and makes most of its money from US, etc.

>>50177968

Being that it's dropped over a gorillion X on retail already (kek) being a 100x from here will allow some bagholders to recoup their money. You idiots are truly stupid.

>>50179383
thanks anon kun

>>50179214
This is easily possible. Biden doesn't have the authority to directly force Amazon to shut down nodes, but he and other leaders can force Amazon's hand with threats. The only reason they haven't done it yet is because the ruling class has chosen to tolerate crypto... for now. That can change.

>Ruling class decides crypto threatens them
>Tells political puppet president of largest country on Earth to threaten Amazon, an American company, with regulations or sanctions if they don't comply
>Tells political puppets in other countries to also threaten to regulate and sanction Amazon in their countries if they don't comply
>Amazon, at risk of losing a massive amount of income and destroying their business, complies and shuts down all crypto nodes

>>50181880
And how exactly what it be different from shutting down ICP data centers? Both AWS data centers and ICP data centers are susceptible to the same attack vector. The only real difference is that you'd have to vote through governance to fuck with stuff on ICP, which honestly would suck. Imagine other AWS users banding together to ban an AWS user through vote fueled by money. But thats besides the point. The main thing is that you are a brainlet, yeah, that was my point

>>50182277
> Decentralization isn't a spectrum
Ok bro

>>50173896
There are so many better options than this scam.

>>50174205
100% this. It is endlessly spammed here, even after the fact of being the most obvious scam in all of crypto history.
Is it just rubbing salt in the wounds or what?
Trying to get more retards to be dumped on again and again?

>>50182442
Name your stack then faggot

>>50182277
Because AWS is a single point of failure, idiot. ICP nodes are run by an ever-expanding list of INDEPENDENT data centers in many different countries.

Not only would it be exponentially more difficult to threaten hundreds or, in the future, thousands of independent data centers, not all of them would choose to comply, which means that the governments would have to actually go through with implementing their threats AND enforcing them, which would require tremendous amounts of political capital and would be challenged in court by all of the various parties.

And in the meantime, because that would take a very long time to pull off, the network can adapt by not only adding more nodes that the government would have to keep stomping down, but also loosening the requirements to become a node provider, so that someone could run them in environments other than datacenters, while not going full Raspberry-Pi mode to ensure network performance and stability remains adequate. And then the government would have to hunt down thousands upon thousands of individuals as well. It's simply not feasible.

>>50182520
I agree with this. But this is based on assumptions for the future. Not the current state of ICP. Once badlands comes, if it comes, then it will be very hard to physically do anything. They would have to find another attack vector. Like buying or renting neurons for a vote to take something down. Which even then I don't think would be feasible considering a large sum of tokens lies with the founders

the fact alone that these threads get over 100 replies and the fudders are relentlessly fudding is proof ICP will moon. It's doing something no other project is even attempting

>>50182761
Every single person to ever purchase ICP after mercury launch is in the red, and you are saying it will moon? A Unity Minecraft ripoff won the supernova hackathon, and you think this is alien tech that will take you from wage slaving? Dfinity has the new York times colluding with powerful entities to take them down and you think we can pump? We have literal exchanges and funds that are against ICP, and you think for a chance that number goes up instead of down? Have you taken an IQ test? Reality check fatty, it's us vs. the world. I hope you like losing money.

>>50182900
why is that skeleton coomer boomer wearing fucking vans

>>50182900
Which exchanges? Which funds?.

>>50182900
The fact that so many people are against it means the tech is a threat. The tech will speak for itself. Cubetopia is honestly not bad with what they are releasing and they are definitely a dev team that needs the funds. The other winner spinner cash is 100x better though and should have been the sole winner.
I believe ICP will win in the end just because how afraid ((they)) are of the tech

>>50183039
FTX started the manipulation then binance and coinbase hopped on the scam since they’re all rats and saw how easy it was to manipulate the price with how many coins were locked up at the time. Seed investors couldn’t even figure out how to get their funds at the beginning.

>>50183080
nobody is “afraid” of icp you delusional retard.
nobody GIVES A SHIT about icp in the first place.
literally nobody outside of like 3 people on /biz/ even talk about it.
meanwhile you guys are saying “It’s gonna take down Amazon” and “it’s like the invention of the telephone”
you will be holding forever because you entered in at $45

>>50183039
https://cryptoleaks.info/case-no-1

>>50183139
and that’s supposed to be a good sign?

>>50182761
No.
Everyone just desperately wants these threads to finally end.

>>50183209
This.

>>50183080
>The fact that so many people are against it means the tech is a threat
lol, most people are just laughing at your snake oil tech

>>50182900
fuck you faggot

>>50183209
>nobody gives a shit
>8pbtid

Literally everybody in this thread is a an icp holder. Just like every other icp thread. It’s just the same retards hyping / fudding each other.

t. 4500 piss stacker

IQ tests are a terrible assessment of general intelligence because someone could train their mind to become good at them. The real test of one's IQ is being able to decipher that ICP is the investment of a lifetime

>>50182900
oh woops was looking at the wrong screen it's actually 130. I'm borderline gifted hence I got past the midwit bellcurve and can see that ICP will unironically go to thousands of dollars in a couple years.

>>50183209
> 8 posts itt
> Not afraid/insecure
Pick one, simple as

>>50183616
barely made it

>>50183741
>>50183616
>>50183506
sniffing your own farts too much.
icp will NEVER go above $45 ever again.
save this post

>>50183906
Ok bro thanks for the warning, you can leave the ICP threads you're so obsessively following now, XD

>>50183906
Oh damn bro u should've told me earlier I just bought 100 pees, damn.

i just breached 1k

>>50183986
Same friendo.

>>50183986
get to 5,000 ICP don't lock it in a neuron keep it your piss liquid. Don't sell until 2024-2025

>>50179214
Why did Bezos buy the Washington Post and became a propaganda mouthpiece for US foreign policy?

Jeff Bezos LARGEST client is the US government itself, CIA, NSA, FBI datacenters all run on AWS.

Yeah, no symbiotic relationship here.

>>50173896
Soon ICP will be able to make HTTP requests directly from canisters. Few understand. So many blockchains are about to be rendered completely and utterly useless. The internet computer is crypto endgame. The foundation upon which web 3 shall be built. Nothing can stop what's coming. Nothing else compares.

>>50175825
He just says it's possible, doesn't give any details on how. Do you know?

>>50186909
Last month it was the hackathon. If you are hyping something new I can tell the hackathon was a joke without even checkin.

>>50186926
>> he mocks the power of the cubetopia metaverse

ngmi.

https://mqkdm-zqaaa-aaaah-ablsa-cai.raw.ic0.app/

>>50187174
It took almost a minute for this to load at "web speed"
It is a glorified flash game with a wallet integration. Worthless.

>>50183616
500$ ICP is 150B market cap

>>50186909
So.. What... You're saying oracles basically. I don't get what's so special about http calls. Can eth not do this for Dapps? Would seem retarded if not

Good thing is, ICP threads remind me of old link threads, this is why I'm in pissbross wagmi

>>50187332
>Can eth not do this for Dapps?
Not without oracles. ICP eliminates the need for middleware like oracles and integrates them directly into the protocol, like what they're doing with integrating BTC and eliminating the need for wrapping to enable BTC smart contracts.

>>50182520
> thousands of independent data centers, not all of them would choose to comply, which means that the governments would have to actually go through with implementing their threats AND enforcing them
AWS has already worked with governments worldwide to shape themselves to their rules. You don't need a clever technology to redo it.

>And then the government would have to hunt down thousands upon thousands of individuals as well. It's simply not feasible.
They literally already do this with hatespeech, pornography etc. What planet do you live on.

>404 Error: the cannister you are trying to access has been removed for hatespeech

Post yfw

Bitcoin integration when, and how much to make it?

>>50186926
>If you are hyping something new I can tell the hackathon was a joke.

Which is it Sam? Is it a dead chain with nothing happening? Because now you are complaining that too much is happening. I can't keep up with these mental gymnastics.

>>50173896
r1b

>>50174020
It's because no other blockchain can compete with ICP when it comes down to the tech. ICP even makes LINK obsolete.

>>50187174
>1mm start button
>name entry but no keyboard popup
Lmao this only works on PC. The boomer internet computer memes are real.

Only newfaggots in this thread.
Prove me wrong.
Post the 'chainlink secured meme' from 2017.
Yeah the one with the black niggas whoring themselves out to grandma's.

>>50192462
ICP is unironically the next chainlink. Anyone who was in Biz in 2017/18 remembers how heavily that was fudded and shilled. I fell for the fud hard when it was 50 cents a link. I got fucked. That's not happening again

>>50192867
except chainlink is actually useful and used by tons of companies in the space, while ICP is vapor shit and used by literally nobody.

>>50194747
It wasn't used by anyone when it was fudded at $.50

>>50194747
you're a low IQ mongoloid. Kek and seethe. ICP will slowly invalidate your chainlink

>>50195367
The same anon who was unaware of neuron trading. The same anon who was coping that he wasn't at least 130iq until he was validated by some free test online and did a 180. Your certainty is cringe. Nothing is certain, ever. /Biz/ never change.

>>50187273
how much did it cost you to connect your wallet?

Bad hackaton, nothing groundbreaking, no usecase in sights, dopamine running low, check the icp thread, same newfags posting the same vapor shit claims, fud becoming more and more realistic, you realise you made a mistake, c of course the whole internet is not going to run on fucking icp, what was I thinking?", it’s okay anon, just let it go. Find something else to focus on.

>>50197241
Name your stack then rajeesh

>>50183468
>128

Yikes, I thought this was one of the smarter subreddits

>>50197380
muh ranjesh.
the only people shilling icp are retarded pajeets and other shitskins that fell for the “we’re gonna remake the entire internet sirs”

>>50195367
Both ICP and LINK may never recover from this crash. Time to sell your bag normies and move on. Grab some metaverse lands, this is your best chance at a degen play. Otherdeeds, Honeyland, Decentraland

>>50197866
Kek those metaverse lands are shit compared to cubetopia which is completely on chain compared to yours that claim to be gamefi. I’m gonna be buying islands

>>50197866
Honeyland will unlock more lands over time. Open APIs goes far enough to make this shit a hub for other games.
>>50198048
Cubetopia sounds like some maze runner shit made for trannies

>>50198188
And everything you support as gamefi isn’t even on chain. Your games are joke

>>50173896
>ethereum competitor?
>no I said internet computer
>what?
>ICP
>insane clown possy?
>definity!
>bless you