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For me, it's the Federal Reserve Notes (ticker: USD). No second best.

Is this bullish for the future of stocks and crypto or no

>>50171009
this is not good

just means other places are getting hit worst, right?

>>50171076
>My money is worth more
Why is this not good? Deflation should be encouraged.

>>50171009
The Euro did rug like a bsc scam thats all!

>>50171076
I don't understand.
Inflation is absolutely crazy right now, but the USD is up????

>>50171076
Kill yourself retard

>>50171097
The euro inflation is worse

>>50171009
What does this mean? good or bad?

>>50171114
So we win?

>>50171097
Its up compared to the venezuelan peso

>>50171009
triple top

>>50171097
Dollar index is relative to other currencies so it means other currencies are shitting themselves harder than dollar.

>>50171009
how do I short this coin?

>>50171097
Dollar milkshake theory coming into effect. The basic gist of it is that as global uncertainty rises, the high amount of liquidity favors currencies that are better established and more readily available, ergo most debts default to USD. Said debts must be paid with USD + interest, which causes the dollar to stay strong and get stronger in times of global commodity crises. The demand for USD in this cases outstrips the supply, even though the dollar is inflating and overprinted during 2020-2021 from COVID. This doesn't exclude stock market crashes from happening, since strong currencies do not insulate them from internal crashes (especially if it's from rampant speculation like the current housing markets, bonds, etc.), all that guarantees is that every other economy using the USD are going to feel it too.

>>50171097
Pretty much every other national currency has more inflation
Pay attention
Cash is still shit mid-long term

>>50171009
Scam pump

>>50171097
If everyone's money is worthless it means we're all doing great together.

>>50171153
>>50171168
>>50171193
>>50171223
>>50171278
So how does this affect the trout population?

>>50171097
There's an entire offshore dollar system that requires global trade to be running for the dollars to circulate. When dollars stop circulating they become more expensive.

>>50171147
If you define "winning" as being the least fucked in the long-term in the upcoming economic turmoil, then yes.
>>50171223
Not true, the USD being used as a reserve in the short-term liquidity pool only strengthens its continued use in the long-term. What we've seen in the last 2 decades from the early 2000s were multiple attempts from currencies such as the EUR, GBP, and JPY to wean itself and establish themselves as reserves, especially after the 2008 recession in which the USD caused a chain reaction. The problem is that these other currencies cannot sustain debt like the USD can and thus inflation bites them even harder. Even the CNY, long vaunted as the main alternative for reserve purposes, cannot be fundamentally trusted due to continual price pegging and frequent devaluation of debt through governmental controls, which severely limits its presence in global financial systems.

>>50171009
test

a pack of hot dogs is like $10
they used to be $2

>>50171090
Retard

>>50171419

>>50171090
>>50171102
DXY goes up when everyone sells assets, DXY going up means a recession you dumb fucks. Also it means that EU is fucked

>>50171457
This. Hot dogs are free if you know where to look.

>>50171331
Bullish short term, bearish long term, trout will soon be worth $700/trout on the international market, but no one will know this until they realize the trout in the stream are free and try to sell them.

>>50171090
>deflation = things cost less there GOOD??
>signaling deflation means that it's better not to buy things now, but later
>people not buying things fucks sellers and producers over
>sellers and producers can't afford operations, people get laid off
>chain reaction happens where less people in the economy able to spend money
>feedback loop happens until the economy implodes
I can't believe I have to share a fucking board with you shitcoin dumbasses who don't even understand the most basic economic principles.

>The U.S. dollar hitting 20 year highs against other currencies*
FTFY

>>50171097
This >>50171168 . DXY is a boomer scam. It only measures dollar strength vs other currencies, not actual important things like food/home/goods. DXY is "gaining" because everyone else's fiat money is hyperinflating faster than dollar. The dollar is also inflating though, just "a tiny bit" slower.

he can be president

>>50171097
It's hardcore Amerilard cope
>this chart says we are doing just fine bigots!

>>50171009
so what does it mean? Deflation?

>>50171009
>this is not a scam
>usd
self awareness low

>>50171076
This is a global recession.

>>50171213
so buy bonds?

>>50171009
It means USA currency is rugging less than other currency, specifically the Euro, purchasing power of USD is still getting worse as inflation eats people's savings. This is an example of the USA sneezing and the entire world getting sick.

>>50171213
why is it called the dollar milkshake theory tho?

>>50171592
He's unironically more powerful than the president now. Chairman of the Economic Central Planning Committee.

The US is blatantly and ruthlessly manipulating its currency; the thing it accuses China of doing. How is this okay?

>>50171553
These problems stem from a debt based ponzi. Deflation in itself isn’t necessarily bad. In principle, improved efficiency should reduce costs and therefore prices over time. “People saving=bad” is a psyop to support the debt system

>>50171577
>It only measures dollar strength vs other currencies
Not even that, DXY is mostly euro, and also some pound, yen, Canadian shekel and other minor bullshit. It basically measures how dominant USD is in US colonies around the world

>>50171664

>>50171669
Because eventually the world rejects dollar and sends them all back to US in exchange for dollar denominated assets.

>>50171747
This is what will cause the "melt up" in housing and the stock market, and mass, third world-style impoverishment of Americans that don't own assets.

>>50171577
This. We're supposed to give a fuck if a Dollar can buy more Euros when it still can't buy more Food. It's insulting.

>>50171632
It means foreigners are deleveraging, driving up the value of the dollar compared to other currencies.

>>50171009
>US fucks up
>everyone else fucks up even harder so the dollar looks better by comparison
its a race to the bottom

>>50171747
What does that have to do with milkshakes though? I never really thought about the name, it really doesn't make sense does it.

>>50171009
what part of BUILDING BACK BETTER didn't you understand?

>>50171009
>Biden is actually doing a good job
I'm sorry democrat bros, I'll be voting blue down the line

>>50171831
Because the dollars get sucked up by the US like a milkshake through a straw. US drinks the world's milkshake.

>>50171663
Generally, yes, but you want to make sure you get bonds that you can get a good return on your investment on. If the government starts advertising and offering bonds to the public to reduce inflation rates, those are by far the safest option to purchase.
>>50171669
You ever heard the song "Milkshake" by Kelis? Because it brings all the boys to the yard.
>>50171685
The fact that you have to use psyop as a point is fucking stupid. You and I know better than most people that businesses and people in general skittish and prone to dropping bags when the going gets rough. It isn't necessarily bad in theory, but in an inadequately regulated market, there's going to be people getting fucked left and right by deflationary measures due to rug pulls by people being too risk-averse.
>>50171747
Second most retarded post I've seen today, nobody is going to send the US dollar back for assets. This post smells of a coping RUB investor.
>>50171790
Third most retarded post, you shouldn't quit your day job writing fanfiction like that.

>>50171949
Take it up with the milkshake man. That's the theory.

>you cant hurt me
>Nanobankers son

i thought it was the theory that a milkshake will always cost $1

>>50172150
maybe there are two different dollar milkshake theories

>yield curve inverted
>usd mooning
>six digit captcha
if you only knew how bad things are going to get

>>50171009
Watch for the triple bearish divergence. Shits going to drop this summer very hard.

>>50171669
Because absolute faggots come up with this terminology.

>>50171097
The "value" of the dollar in the DXY is just a composite of its value against other currencies, not against goods and services. The dollar's purchasing power of said goods and services is plummeting

>>50171097
inflation is an increase in the supply of money. if nothing else changes, this erodes purchasing power over time, because the dollars do not sit in savings or investment accounts forever.
"the dollar" on that chart is actually DXY. this is a rote mathematical function of other currencies, the sum of weighted figures. it's an index that you do not trade directly. this is a proxy for price, not for value.
it is not a fundamental valuation of the dollar instrument itself. a fundamental analysis would be something like "currency A has the force of government behind it and that government levies taxes which cannot be paid in anything except A, versus currency B which an anonymous dude made-up then used to settle value-for-value barter exchanges for drugs." the price of currency A can thus be derived from the facts about it, because said government has X subjects and Y tax rate and Z cash flows and so on. it is not being priced relative to other things, because this is a real valuation.
this is not to say that "devaluing" and "inflation" have nothing to do with DXY, but only to point out that you cannot have an instant price of dollars like DXY in that way, and if you want one, you need a FOREX market where currencies trade against each other, based on, in part, the "basket" function.
>The U.S. dollar index started in 1973, and today is a basket of six currencies—the euro, Japanese yen, British pound, Canadian dollar, Swedish krona, and Swiss franc. The euro is, by far, the largest component of the index, making up almost 58 percent (officially 57.6%) of the basket. The weights of the rest of the currencies in the index are—JPY (13.6%), GBP (11.9%), CAD (9.1%), SEK (4.2%), CHF (3.6%). During the 21st century, the index has reached a high of 121 during the tech boom and a low of 71 just prior to the Great Recession.

>>50171599
Checked

>>50171553
1-3% peak deflation and inflation are both fine. Ideally the direction would be a random walk, so saving for a decade to buy some shit cheaper isn't a great plan, but neither is just dumping cash into the S&P for a decade and expecting returns like it's owed to you. Line go up and line go down are both ponzi builders. Crab is the only truth in this world.

>>50171097
DXY is measured against other FIAT
and other FIAT is just a clump of EURO+USD

>>50171009
>20 years high
Against even shittier currencies

>>50172999
but this is still not satisfactory (unless you are a retard) because, after all, i haven't yet clearly stated why an instrument can go up in price even though everyone knows it "should go down" in consideration of just how high inflation has been running the past couple of months.
unfortunately other countries are in even worse condition. the future outlook is dire. and so even though the US has problems, the three- and six-month outlook of its dollar is stronger than that of the EUR, where they too have been inflating, and are just now starting to reach the peak effects of the loss of purchasing power that came as a result, which can linger for some time as the markets adjust to it.
with hard and fast inflation, labor suffers, because wages follow the price of everything else. only in a gentle deflationary environment does this dynamic actually serve the laborer: wages fall nominally, but the purchasing power of the dollars they already have increases faster. in the 2-3% inflation world that modern governments want, the wealthy are served first.
the certainty of these latter two scenarios does not fuck with forex markets, but the uncertainty of rampant high inflation drives all international investors to the safety of the single best currency, worldwide. and it looks like that's still the US dollar. without any change in its valuation, its price skyrockets, but only in the short term. long term, like i said, the dollars paid out won't sit there. they will leak out over time into all consumer prices.

>>50171818
correction, the FED does A, every other central bank NEED to follow to stay competitive on the international market.

>t. Jews

>>50171097
>fox news told me we were going to have hyperinflation, wtf is happening!!
Hahaha get fucked dipshit. gg no re

>>50171009
DXY raping niggers.

>>50171075
No. It's really bad.

Time to accumulate US dollars?

>>50171009
ATH compared to other shit pieces of paper
milkshake theory is correct
buy silver, gold, and any limited quantity useful assets
(im looking at you BTC, chainlink, KDA, (not) ETH)

>>50171684
literally every developed country has been doing this horse shit

>>50171457
bitch that's the tubby custard machine

>>50171640
underrated kek

>>50171684
It's called stealing.
>>50172287
Will my addiction to (you)s lead me to eventually slavishly fill in the 17 digit captchas?

>>50171009
What's it being valued in?

>>50172143
kek

>>50175004

its a basket of foreign currencies, but it's like 60% euro and euro is dumping which is why we see pump

>>50171097
>Fed prints 40% of the USD supply in 2020
>Market prices in future inflation and 0% interest rates leads to a speculative frenzy. Everything goes up in value. From stocks to used cars
>Fed decides to raise interest rats and initiate QT to remove some of the liquidity the injected into the system in 2020
>Market crashes. Everyone rushes to the safest harbor: the USD

That is the main cause. With a few additional variables thrown in that makes an already bad situation worse, like the Ukraine war and supply chain issues

>>50171009
Woah! I'm E U P H O R I C over there value of the dollar! What does that mean?

>>50171009
>or even a scam

>>50177238
Dollar milkshake theory confirmed. We're in the end game, boys.

>>50171553
>deflation bad because you literally can't have an economy with deflation
it's bittersweet knowing the world is filled with morons like yourself

>>50171009
looking forward to how much more ASIAN PUSSY i can buy with my U.S. GREENBACKS

>>50177869
>thai
*ladyboypussy

>>50171709
Damn RIP medshitters.

>>50178657
a-at least gamers will get their GPUs

>>50171087
yes. US is still fucked, but other countries are fucked worse. we're lucky oil is traded in USD or some shit, that's probably the only thing saving us

>>50171009
Cash is king retards

>>50179062
>cash is king
>retards
LMFAO this fucking guy is hilarious

>>50171090
>>My money is worth more
But it isn't you brainlet.
You can buy less than before.
More than some other fuckers.
But less than you could.

Dxy to hard assets/equities is like tether to btc.....more liquidity in crypto assets btc/coins, tether goes down....people sell coins, cash gors back into tether....more equities/assets bought, dxy goes down...more assets/equities sold, dxy goes up.....dxy is traditional economics form of tether

>>50171097
Yen has inflated 50% in half a year

>>50171009
This doesn't mean usd is good, just that assets are worse

>>50171664
But why is nothing doing better? Swiss francs, Saudi riyals, Norwegian krone, whatever. Everything is worse.

FED will do a 180 but not before they drag this out long enough to trap virtually everyone into cash. Then it's rugpull. Watch.

>>50180316
I should add
>not before they drag this out long enough
It won't take much longer

>>50180316
spell this out for a financial retard.
What does rugpull mean? what action will the federal reserve take?

>>50180316
it's a rugpull once the yuan or ruble take over.
at which point, everyone tries to cash out their USD, and the banks collapse because fractional reserve banking is a lie.

MIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>50173133
>with hard and fast inflation, labor suffers, because wages follow the price of everything else. only in a gentle deflationary environment does this dynamic actually serve the laborer:
falling rates have been a disaster for the working man because he can't buy a home and escape rentiers.
we haven't had a low inflation environment. we've had high housing inflation, but they don't really include this in the inflation stats, and people just use the official definition.
The official definition is by design because they exclude land prices then say to people "hey you can only really borrow against land".

>>50171553
>chain reaction happens where less people in the economy able to spend money
We're already there.

>>50171669

USD will be slurrped up like a milkshake

>>50171457
is he ok?

>>50171553
Nobody will stop buying a tv or a car because they think it will cost 5% less in 1 one year

>>50182514
This. For self proclaimed smart investors they do not understand necessities and normal faggots. Will Becky stop shopping at Ross, Starbucks, target and Panera just because she sees on NPR that we have 2% deflation? NO! Will Joe and his buddies stop going to the shooting range or football game? NO! Will households hold off on food and energy? NO! The only thing that deflation hurts are the ones that steal with inflation.

>>50180381
It's a symbolic act that has to take place before the start of infinite dollar printing. They will pull the rug that sits at the entrance of the FED's Chair office (currently Jerome Powell).The rug will be taken to another room where the whole board of the FED will hold a meeting for no less than 8 hours. During that meeting they will deliberate if they want to print infinite dollars (known as the Rugpull Option). The meeting itself has been held only twicve in history, at 1929 and 2008 and both times the board ultimately decided against the Rugpull Option.

>>50184037
This kind of satire is what will redeem humanity afterwards.
Well done anon.
>>50180274
gold and rubles are pretty much the only things holding up okay, but nothing beats cash when everything is going to hell and defaults are everywhere.

>>50171669
You will be able to buy a milkshake with a dollar. see brent johnson

>>50171831
A milkshake will cost one dollar

DXY is nothing more than an indicator of how shitty the euro is doing

>>50171684
Actually no. This is is strengthening the dollar which is the opposite of China's weakening the Yuan. Technically it is a form of manipulation but is not what people are tallking about when they talk about manipulation.

>>50171747
Other countries default and have to pay the debt with usd--> usd is in demand so it rises--> the excess of liquidity then goes into stocks causing the stock market to go up

>>50171009
Dxy compares us dollar to other currencies.
us dollar is dogshit, but other currencies worldwide are failing which is why it gives the impression that the us dollar is doing well when it's actually dying too.

>>50171527
>the trout in the stream are free
No they're not, every river and pond in America is stocked by fish and game.

>>50171553
>>people not buying things fucks sellers and producers over
>>sellers and producers can't afford operations, people get laid off
>>50171553
>shitcoin dumbasses
Actually retard, when people aren't buying sellers tend to sell things for less than what they're valued at.
You're a fucking moron, "MUH SHITCOIN" get a better buzzword you NPC.

>thread full of cope
dollar is here to stay and theres nothing you can do about it

>>50179663
they fucked over the yen and all of the current things going on have undermined the currency, or so they say. i trade a little in yen because japan is pretty good for electronics

>>50171009
>the U.S. dollar
>not a scam

>>50171009
no need to insult meme coins with this comparison

>>50186617
You low IQ retards don't actually know why dxy is pumping, kek

>>50171009
So I should be able to buy gold at 2002 prices.... right?

>>50171213
How to profit from this though?

>>50171669
there will be blood (2007)

>>50171097
DXY is mostly about Euro and Yen, both of which are cratering.

>>50171009
just went all in on the dollar to the moon baby!!

>>50171087
Yep. It's USD vs a basket of other countries. AKA other countries are inflating harder.

Explain in crypto terms

>>50171935
faster

>>50171553
wtf a USD death spiral? fucking USD was a ponzi scam after all

>>50171797
kek

>>50187459
BTC.D is DXY
ETH IS EURO
ALTS ARE OTHER COUNTRIES
SHITCOINS ARE AFRICA

EVERYTHING FUCKING SUCKS, BTC SUCK THE LEAST

>10% inflation, everyone panics
>???% deflation, biz panics

>>50171831
it's like the song by kelis "my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard and their like is better than yours, damn right, is better than yours" wherein the dollar is the better milkshake that brings all the boys to the yard.

>>50171009
>eu policy makers shit the bed
>money migrates to safer havens(primarly usd) because people see they're unable to deal with whats currently happening
simple as

>>50171075
Bearish in a vacuum. Bullish because we have a central bank.
>>50171076
It's actually very good (if you're a bull). The fed has legit reason to pivot back to cuts and can write off inflation as a necesaary evil rather than a consequence of reckless policy. It's a get out of jail free card.

>>50188126
ETH/BTC IS EURO/USD
DXY IS HIGH BUT BTC.D BUT USDT.D AND USDC.D HIGH MEANS BTC.D IS STILL HIGH REALLY IF U DONT COUNT WHICH MEANS BTC.D HIGH AND DXY HIGH AND STABLE COIN HIGH MEANS BOTTOM NOW.
AFRICA IS DOGE COIN, IT GETS HYPE WHEN SOMEONE TWEETS ABOUT IT.

>>50171381
>If you define "winning" as being the least fucked in the long-term in the upcoming economic turmoil, then yes.
That is the exact definition of winning in an economy and most other multiplayer games/situations. It's often never about whether you're faster than the bear, but whether you're faster than the other guys who are also running from the bear.

>>50189706
> it doesn't matter if all of us get eaten alive, what it matters is who gets eaten last.

>>50190088
>all of us get eaten
Thats where you're wrong kiddo. While the next man is being eaten you've earned yourself some prep/escape time. Everyone getting eaten assumes everyone's a retard who will sit in place and wait their turn to get fucked up.

The other day while driving thru town, besides the usual homeless and street people, I noticed a couple in their 30s on the side of the road with a bunch of suitcases arguing. Caught my eye because the female looked fuckable, not like a total dirty street whore. Then a few miles later I saw another similar couple with suitcases on the side of the road. The another with all their belongings in trash bags. Then another. I realized, it was the 1st of the month. And these were people whose lease expired and did not have a place to move to. New homeless people.

>>50190309

california? big surprise.

>>50190309
you pull over and ask the woman
>hey you need a place to stay
then you fuck her and make her eat all the eggs
then you drop her off with her husband the next day

>>50190309

You don't get kicked out of your house the very next day retard. Evictions take months.

>>50190849
during the subprime mortgage crisis they did when landlords fled with loans using their real estate as collateral

>>50171553
When thinking about inflation vs deflation, I always point out that inflation can be infinite, while deflation cannot. Never had a proper response to this fact.

>>50191212
deflation can be purchased

>>50190967

No, that is bullshit, I know several people that lived in their apartments for months for free because the landlord had left the country and defaulted on the mortgage.

>>50171684
it's called which country are the jews manipulating this time

>>50171790
imagine actually believing in the melt up theory

>>50171655
exactly. we've been in a recession for at least 5 months now (since the initial numbers saying the US and Chinese economies contracted for the first time in a decade+) but the news just isn't reporting on it yet because a mass panic would be counterproductive. soon, though.

>>50180274
because it's a controlled demolition of the economy, silly

>>50191641

>>50171009
So... is the dollar actually high? or is it just high vs currencies of other nations who fucked themselves over even worse than us during the scamdemic?
Seems to me that if you are relatively poor, inflation is killing you because it's primarily the things you "need" vs things people want.

>>50194533

It's relative. Other currencies are dying at a faster pace and people are flooding into USD as a safe haven. It's still a "good thing" for Americans since economies are all relative after all. This is America reconsolidating its status as the bank of the world.

>>50184037
underrated

>>50189573
You're fucking retarded. The dollar is going to crush the international economy and to the cucks in US it changes nothing. They're still broke and have no supply.

>>50195174
Seethe harder, third worlder.

>>50195779
Why would I be upset? I am about to watch your bloated carcass float in a pool of blood into the abyss in 4k. Things are looking up.