/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50168085
what are you suggesting she should have done to avoid this?

>>50168126
suicide

>>50168126
Barnier, lagarde, von de liar, michel etc…

All the neoliberal bullshit led us to here.

European expansionism, the stupidity of refugees being welcome led directly to brexit, urban etc.

In Ukraine the US were clear ‘fuck Europe’ said their state department.

Now Europe is the little bagholder for American and British aggressive policy towards Russia.

Fuck Ukraine, they played a double game and lost… I’m serious, fuck them and fuck America

Europe has no idea what it’s actual interests are, let alone the balls to make a stand that isn’t virtue signalling suicidal bullshit

>>50168596
>Now Europe is the little bagholder for American and British aggressive policy towards Russia.

Agreed. The US controls Europe and is forcing it to commit suicide.

>>50168596
And now we’re about to see a European economic collapse which will almost certainly lead to continental war… and it wasn’t even russias fault , they bastards too but no… we did it to our fucking selves

>>50168667
Let’s be real here, Europe died three times over already: 1914, 1945, 1991. Can you really blame us for feasting on the corpse? End of the day Europe is America’s servant. Hell, you guys all speak English, the Swedish zoomers do so more than they speak their native language.

>>50168669
idc as long as russia gets nuked

>>50168735
This isn’t pol so let’s keep it finance….


What the hell is the best move for the Euro? There’s literally no possible way out except saying fuck Ukraine and America …. Let’s be frenz with russia.

And to be clear.. I think russia are total cunts but Ukraine and America did this, not us.

Inb4 whiny pollack, fuck you too, you e taken enough from the EU to stfu and suck it up

>>50168085
I wanna hatefuck a northern witch so badly FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>50168126
Not shutting down all the energy supplies and food supplies because of 'climate change' might have helped. Then again who could have know that you need those things

>>50168126
>what are you suggesting she should have done to avoid this?

Hmmm let's just see:
-Fixed money supply backed by precious metals.
-End the EU budget and EU economic programs. (It's pure harmful cargo cult keynessianism and cronyism).
-Remove all EU regulations.
-Go back to simple free trade free work union.

We could live in an utopia by this after 10-20 years.

>>50169152
Hi Albania

>>50169080
I also don't care as long as you cucked europoor nigger lovers get nucked. maybe your "free healthcare" will help, subhuman communist scum
go fight with russia until you both parasites get destroyed

Putin price hike.

>>50169320
Orthodox Jew detected

>>50168596
Russia is part of the problem, you fucking retard. The US were telling Germany and the rest to diversify energy FOR YEARS. But instead, they let themselves get corrupted by the russian gas money.

>>50168085
IT WAS A MAN

>>50168126
"Sure Putin, you can kill those neo-nazis".

>>50169320
oh nononon, homo ruskie got triggered

>>50168085
isnt this slut related to Rotschild ?

>>50169125
Becoming dependent on Russian gas was the biggest mistake that the EU made.
The same politicians who condemn Russia now had no problem making deals with Putin.

>>50168596
>neoliberal
stop watching government sponsored media

>>50169500
Germany and France told the US not to expand into Ukraine and US saw this as a green light to coup Ukraine. Germany is retarded for shutting its nuclear stations and sanctioning Russia, but US is biggest contributer to the Ukraine crisis.

>>50168126
>what are you suggesting she should have done to avoid this?
There were multiple things to avoid or at least push the collapse further into the future. Starting from european energy politics (green über alles) to the way we handled european foreign policy (do whatever the fuck americans tell you).

But the easiest way to avoid everything is not even starting breeding ground for snakes and spiders that is the EU. Europeans love other european countries. We love visting, we love their food and their culture. Why the fuck do we need to homogenise everying into one giant unrecognisable mess? Why do we need to tell every EU state how straight a cucumber has to be? Why do Italians have to have the same way of life as Germans? Why does this cult of apparatchiks in Brussels and Strassbourg have to dictate what is wrong and what is right for each European state? Why can't local people decide for themselves how they want their country to be?

>>50169125
it's not that simple
europe needed to align more towards russia but russia invading ukraine was a frankly ridiculous policy move by them: they've literally painted themselves as the evil cold war boogeyman cnn tries to make them
and a lot of eastern european countries had a fear, which is now clearly legitimate, of russia
i actually can't believe russia did it to be honest even china doesn't do things like this and it has done nothing but harm russia materially anyway

europe has no option besides america but they should have at least played hard to get
they have really engaged in a ridiculous strategy of relying more and more on russia while aligning more and more with the atlantic
it can't even be exaggerated how utterly incompetent our policy makers are
to make things even worse countries more in the middle like india and africa are being allowed to drift into non-american influence from sheer neglect because they don't want to

the eu should have been capitalizing on it's one major asset: technology
when it comes to education the eu dwarfs every other region on the planet, although not in innovation but that's sort of the point
this should've been leveraged into become the world leader in nuclear power, EVs, and automation
the resources are there but instead the eu focused on bullshit renewables that there isn't even the space for in europe (where are you going to put giant solar farms? we don't have the gobi desert or western usa) and the result has been that it's totally reliant on russia for power as well as basic resources
there is still some manufacturing in europe, more than people realise, but it is drying up as china and india gain the technical skills to do that sort of manufacturing
there is constant talk about banning non-electric vehicles but tesla is still the market leader followed more by asian companies like kia than european companies

>>50169500
Germany should have diversified but Russian gas is a totally valid option. Why is Russia automatically bad and not the US they seem pretty white, Christian and democratic compared to you in the USA

>>50169827
>i actually can't believe russia did it
Many believed it, many including Germany and France were telling there was a red line for Russia and it was Ukraine. For us plebs it's the invasion came out of nowhere, but for the people leading our countries it was no suprise. Russia acted like a realist, rationally. Hard to say German thinking, probably thought trade=no war. We shall see if Ostpolitik plays out right, will Germany be forced to lift sanctiond?

Hopefully, Germans break apart from the US and start acting for their own interests.

>>50169704
>US not to expand into Ukraine and US saw this as a green light to coup Ukraine
turn off the TV retard

>>50169827
So, you're basically telling me that a huge bureaucratic piece of shit known as the EU is utterly corrupt and doesn't even pretend to try to act in the best interests of EU citizens? I can't believe it.

>>50169827
>russia invading ukraine was a frankly ridiculous policy move by them
>I don't understand something so it must be ridiculous
So what is Russia supposed to do? Watch the Ukraine ignoring Minsk2? Watch how the US is training 10 000 Ukrainian soldiers per year? Wait till Ukraine joined NATO? Wait till the color revolutions in Khazakstan and Belarus work and turn these into NATO countries too? Russia was backed into a corner and lashed out.

The game is different now. Goodwill from the EU will be completely irrelevant if the trajectory the EU is on continues. Hell, goodwill from the G7 will be irrelevant if Saudi Arabia really joins BRICS. And don't forget that most UN countries are pushing for a restructuring of the P5.

>>50170076
>Russia acted like a realist, rationally
no they didn't
the sensible approach is the chinese approach: very slow economic and political takeover
this is the same approach the uk used outside of complete backwaters when it was an empire and the approach america has used too
going and invading a real nation with a real economy in the current year when moet capital is international anyway is insanity and it just says to me that russia, from bottom to top, is still stuck in the previous century if not before
because it doesn't actually matter if the resources are in ukraine as long as a russia company is exploiting them
china understands this which is why they are stealthily taking over africa but just imagine if they sent a fleet and a dozen divisions to invade tanzinia

germany has basically no leverage and russia has other options but if the eu had been warmer to russia then the markets would've been more intertwined
it is real that when all the markets rely on each other war becomes impossible - they could never be a war between norway and sweden because the two economies are practically one
instead the eu was as hostile as possible to it's supplier because idk they're mean to gays or they're a convenient boogeyman honestly i find that idea so absurd but i have no idea what else the answer is
it's ludicrous because russia is an economy of basic industries and the eu is the opposite so they had every reason to work together

>>50169827
This is half true and at least you seem like you have a brain.

At the core of every movement, craze, religion or even brand is a set of values and an identity which the followers can attach to and feel at one with getting behind.

Europe pussied out of this and rumbled for fucking ages trying not to offend.. cos it was a bunch of pussies.
I can’t remember the quote but I think it was de Gaulle at the start of the European project that said; we are all white, Christian and strike for freedom - this is our base and should unite us - just you try to even mention something like this in the EU parliament… but what do they give us in return. Some bbbling bullshit about diversity fuck off. That’s why in 2005 most of Europe was happy with Russia joining the EU and they always hated the thought of turkey.

The fact that this didn’t happen is 100% to do with the geopolitics of America and U.K. and the McKinder entrenched mindset

>>50170307
*strive and so many other iPhone autocorrects sorry

>>50170195
yes idiot these things are not ultimately important
war is always the absolute last option unless force is so overwhelming that it's effortless but even then unless you're the global number 1 the global number 1 will condemn you
did soviet military posturing ultimately matter? no it didn't
these are archaic ideas that have little relevance in the current era
ireland is not a colony of international finance because google's private army patrols the streets

moreover if there is a single lesson to be taken from every war since ww2 it is that permanent occupation of a hostile population is now impossible

>>50170284
You are literally retarded if you really believe this.

Russia was getting fucked by sanctions and getting fucked politically in their neighbouring countries. The US poured hundreds of millions into the Ukraine to influence public opinion. And Europe and the rest of the world enjoyed cheap Russian commodities by keeping the rouble weak.

We claimed that goods are way more valuable than raw materials. The Russians are calling that hand now and we will see who will win.

>>50170106
Here you go mate.
France and Germany:
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/world/europe/03nato.html

Victoria Nuland telling who should go into the government:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Pic related is McCain with the leader of far right party Svoboda.

McCain and Graham telling Ukranians that they'll take back everything with force after Minsk 2 was signed:
https://youtu.be/JeWHviwLMy8

BBC at the day of the Snipers massacre and a year later:
https://youtu.be/gr0_H_IwBUs
https://youtu.be/mJhJ6hks0Jg

Estonian foreign minister and EU official. At one point he says the medic at the scene says that both the protestors and police were shot from the same weapons:
https://youtu.be/kkC4Z67QuC0

You can also search up the testimonies from the trials which show protestors saying they were shot from oppostition buildings.

>>50168735
retard

>>50170195
>So what is Russia supposed to do? Watch the Ukraine ignoring Minsk2? Watch how the US is training 10 000 Ukrainian soldiers per year? Wait till Ukraine joined NATO? Wait till the color revolutions in Khazakstan and Belarus work and turn these into NATO countries too? Russia was backed into a corner and lashed out.
Russia don't care about Ukraine, the people there or territorial gains. They use the whole thing as a tool to gain leverage over the western world. They don't want to cooperate with Europe through trade, they want to control it economically. Whoever says that Europe should align itself with Russia is either a shill or extremely dumb.

>>50170419
russia is a backwards country and it's place is not high up
invading it's neighbour to further monopolize european raw materials will not change this
the average russia is poverty stricken and this will not change even of these are strategically valuable resources
if the global policy makers were sensible then extraction in africa and more in south america would actually be happening
russia has only succeeded in totally isolating itself and evidently europe will cut off it's own limbs sooner than capitulate

I hate Belgians
fucking muslim foot kissers the lot of em

>>50169192
>We could live in an utopia by this after 10-20 years.
You unironically believe this.

>>50170407
You are the idiot because you ignore everything I wrote. The US would have gone to war over Cuba and the Chinese were ready to send their troops over Khazakstan.

In fact your claim
>the sensible approach is the chinese approach: very slow economic and political takeover
>this is the same approach the uk used outside of complete backwaters when it was an empire and the approach america has used too
is so absurdly retarded that it hurts. Are you honestly telling me that the UK back then and the US now were avoiding wars? Are you honestly not ashamed to claim that war was not a main tool of the US foreign policy tool box? Where have you been the last 80 years?

In a rational world there is no reason why Europe and Russia shouldn't get along. It serves US interests for that not to occur of course.

Oh well, the way I see it, WW1 was already the death knell of Euros.The next 100 years after has just been it's slow gasping death, like a long bear market with many bull traps designed to break your spirit and take your money.

>>50170076
>>50170419
Unreal how stupid you are

>>50170478
>russia has only succeeded in totally isolating itself and evidently europe will cut off it's own limbs sooner than capitulate
I think you might really be unable to read. Everyone who is not part of the western world (aka 90% of the world population) does not give a shit about Ukraine.

>>50170284
China doesn't have missiles pointed at it and it doesn't have countries under its sphere of influence put in an antagonistic alliance. If Ukraine got any closer to the west i.e. Russia would be dragged into an another devastating arms race which it would surely lose. But from Russian POV they've been on some kind of an arms race for some time now. That's why we have Russia launching Sarmat 2 and saying to the west you don't have anything to shoot this down with.
>>50170407
>can't be occupied
Yes, I don't think their intent was ever to occupy whole of Ukraine, only the psrts which welcome them, but which parts welcome them is open to interpretation.

>>50170428
>>50169704
Based truthteller.

>>50169500
>>50170106
Ami go Home!

>>50170567
>Unreal how stupid you are
Take your money. Make your bets. I make mine. We see who wins.

>>50170428
Ukrainians don't want to live in a shithole like Russia, it's really not rocket science to understand.
Their only mistake was thinking that beating out the russian puppet government like a stray dog from their nation would solve all their problems. Should've been making missiles all this time and simply killed every demon that crossed their border.
Oh well, globohomo faggot EU politicians can no longer keep Europe chained to Russia for their one world government dreams, because normal people will never trust Russia. This inflation will pass just as it did after the arab oil embargo, Europe will rebuild and Russian lords will keep sucking their nation dry. Ukraine will limp along as a nation, rather than a vassal to a muttoid empire.
A happy ending, albeit it would have been a lot happier if the Merkele types that Russia bought have never been allowed to sell off their continent to begin with.

>>50170567
Refer to
>>50170428

Picrel is the real culprit.

Imagine letting women in power. Muh ESG, muh environment, muh immigrants, muh diversity

>>50170531
the uk did not even use war to control iran it was much less brutish than even america is
war is a tool of diplomacy but it is a crude and often ineffectual tool as evidenced by the complete and total failure of the us in the middle east, vietnam, and of europe in africa or the uk in ireland
name even a single instance of prolonged modern occupation that was successful
maybe somewhere in china counts
economic control is vastly superior
>>50170589
because africa and south america are anything more than tiles on the board of geopolitics
america and europe are still the most important markets globally by a tremendous margin
>>50170612
>Yes, I don't think their intent was ever to occupy whole of Ukraine, only the psrts which welcome them,
so they sacrificed what little goodwill they had left for the sake of a few miles of corn fields
russia has massive amounts of unexploited resources anyway this was just an insane move
and the idea that
>ooo they had to do it because nato!!
well now certainly the rest of ukraine will be extremely anti russia and finland has joined nato
so what a retarded shitty move
instead of maybe de-escalating so war between russia and europe, which would have never happened anyway, became a distant fantasy

>>50170619
Before 2014 half of Ukraine wanted to be Russia aligned. Not hard to see on the map of their elections to see which parts were those.

>>50170708
Anon, don't you know? When shit gets bad, the system let's women take charge so they can take the fall. It's called the glass cliff.

>>50170744
i wonder if it is even 20% now

>>50170713
Finland still hasn't joined NATO afaik, and comparing Finland to Ukraine is ridiculous. Finland and it's borders with Russia are thick forests compared to Ukrainian fields, its population is abysmal to Ukranian one and it has treaty of perpetual neutrality meaning no foreign military infrastructure is allowed in Finland. We'll see if the treaty is extended. One should always remember that the Ukrainian steppes were always passage ways for various armies both from the east and the west to pass thru due its easy traversability.

>>50168085
But but it’s a liberal world order. Fucking cuckrapeans. You deserve everything you get and more. Hopefully Russia nukes all of europe into a fucking smoking ash heap and every stinking eurocockroach dies.

I believe the entire situation might escalate once winter comes. Either Russia will decide to apply full force to Ukraine or the EU/US will find themselves pressured to invade Russia so they false flag an attack on Lithuania, which they then use as a justification to invoke article 5 and attack Russia.
Since Covid everything about the EU has been completely retarded (more so than usual). U.S. monetary policy at least makes sense to try and fight inflation, meanwhile the ECB continues to print at negative rates like there's no tomorrow.
EU down 20% vs the USD in just one year.
No gas or electricity for winter, especially in Germany.
Europe is going to be much poorer than it used to be. Once this happens the EU will collapse, since it is union that can only work if there are lots of prosperous countries.
The European oligarchy will face the decision between losing control or going to war with Russia and we all know what they will choose.

>>50169320
relax friend, bugers only care about eating fried food and drinking suger water.

>>50169827
>the eu should have been capitalizing on it's one major asset: technology etc.
this

>>50170760
Probably not.

>>50170958
Who the fuck will even fight for the EU in that situation?

>>50170890
that is besides the point
the only possible outcome of war between nato and russia is a nato victory
the expansion of nato just represents countries fearing and distancing themselves from russia
the sensible russian position would be ingratiating themselves to the point where it is not considered a threat
not making itself clearly a real threat nobody wants anything to do with
i mean the very notion that russia, an economy the size of italy, can challenge nato is just laughable so why would they even try?
it's like russia is so stupid that it can't help but trap itself as the evil eastern soviet boogeyman full of poor gopniks working in mines where only corrupt oligarchs can even afford a passport

nordstream 2 should have represented reconciliation between east and west where the west uplifted russia with technology and better exploited russian resources fed prosperity in the west
instead it's been a failure because of stupid antagonism from both sides
russia will continue to be poor and isolated and europe will lose its raw materials
all over what? some shithole where they live in wooden huts or soviet commieblocks and grow wheat

>>50168085
what does that bald guy michel actually do?

>>50171145
If what I have seen is true, the average Euro considers himself a citizen of Europe, not his own country. The normies would line up to die for the EU, they consider it their government.

>>50171231
Boggles the mind, but sadly you're probably right. They could starve and freeze to death and still bow to their masters. Absolutely pathetic.

>>50169080
Based

>>50171145
Mostly the US, but other Nato countries as well. US has no interest in the EU collapsing, because it will be impossible to control such a big area with so many different countries like they do right now.
The EU doesn't have big individual militaries, but combining all EU militaries does add up to quite a bit. They have a bigger military than Russia.

>>50171145
beltoids

>>50168085
GOD I FUCKING HATE VDL SO MUCH

>>50171231
>If what I have seen is true, the average Euro considers himself a citizen of Europe, not his own country.
fucking lmao, no

>>50170056
Buying some gas from Russia would be fine. Buying 60-70% of your gas from Russia is bad. It puts you at their mercy.

>>50170499
>You unironically believe this.
The present system rewards lazyness and parasitism. Oversized bureaucracies are money blackholes. Over regulation prevents the market from creating more value.
If you end these it will make life much much better for everyone obviously.

>>50171269
Where would nukes fit into this though? Not an expert on this shit by any means but doesn't nuclear deterrence mean something?

>>50171332
Buying all you gas from Russia is fine as long as gas only makes up for 30% of your energy mix.
The problem was the stupid virtue signalling with no real money behind it. Germany was once by far the world biggest solar technology exporter. But it was a little bitch .they’ve fagged of literally everything since the holocaust

>>50171651
Now Germany just buys its measly amount of renewable tech and energy from others

>>50171164
>the only possible outcome of war between nato and russia is a nato victory
Alolst certainly, but imo it depends where is it fought, what technology each side has etc. I don't think a war between the two would happen in the foreseeable future or anytime actually. Russia would just lose an another arms race and fall apart again.
>countries join out of fear
True, those countries join out of fear. US lets them in to expand its influence. But you can also look at from the Russian POV, a antagonistic alliance is expanding towards you, not letting you in and all that after you've been told that won't happen(disputed, but from what I've gathered a promise was made).

There is no true West, US tried to block the construction of NS2 and even in early 2022 it will consider sanctioning it (just shows you the power they actually have).

>>50169569
>Becoming dependent on Russian gas was the biggest mistake that the EU made.
why do you speak like the EU us just Germany, it's also rich coming from amerishart who will blow anyone for a barrel of oil. shove your European collapse fantasy down your gay nigger ass

>>50171571
>implying nukes are real
Europe wouldn't have any other choice. Why did Russia invade Ukraine when there is the threat of American nukes? Maybe nukes just aren't as scary as they're supposed to be.
There haven't been any nuclear bomb tests since 1990.
Defeating Russia, either through war or revolution and planting a pro EU and pro U.S. government is the long term plan and would consolidate U.S. world power status vs China.

>>50171698
>>50171164
Also, that economy is currently fucking up most of the EU. GDP can be misleading, when it comes to basic resources such as food and energy Russia trumps us.

>>50171698
America has no possible route to victory with China unless Europe fight Russia as Russia would standoff and destroy either state after watching them both o their knees(kind what America has done)

Therefore America needs to start the Euro/Russia fight first before it attacks China

>>50171774
Anyway.

Euro is fucked bail out whilst you can.. nothing gets better from now on

>>50171164
>the only possible outcome of war between nato and russia is a nato victory
The sheer hubris lmao

When was the last time a war was fought in which invaders from Western Europe successfully conquered Russia ?

You are so limited by your propagandized mindset its hilarious.

Russia is realigning with the East rather than the West for the very reason that you are incapable of perceiving but keep repeating in your posts - that Russia is this second class inferior country whose only rightful place is as the bitch of Europe taking orders from Brussels for slightly higher return on their USD funded oil sales.

That was the case in the late 20th and early 21st century when we lived in a monopolar world completely dominated by the USA and EU but the world has changed, China has already surpassed Europe in economic power and influence, this gap will only widen at an accelerating pace as countries like India, Indonesia, Brazil etc with populations that rival the entire EU industrialize.

Russia is already making more money selling their resources to the BRICS in rubles than they were selling to the EU in USD. They will make FAR more money and have VASTLY more global political influence in the multipolar world of the future that is not dominated by a bunch of beta male and femoid unelected bureaucrats from Germany, France, Belgium, and the Netherlands.

Yes the war is costly...if we think purely in terms of the % profits of international finance then yeah it's a losing proposition...

But the future isn't continuing the unipolar world order where America and the EU are in charge and Russia is forever a backwards pariah for not kneeling and surrendering completely to their delusional and self destructive value system. It is, at the very least Russia being an equal partner in an organization of developing countries that provides a market for its exports while the EU literally fucking disintegrates.

>>50168085
Jews
Always jews
Jesus, God on Earth
Called them the synagogue of satan
How hard is this
The more satan, the worse the world
Fix jews and you fix everything

>>50168085
Why are uppity Germans preaching to the world again? Regardless of one's opinion's on Hitler and the Nazis, normies have been programmed to absolutely SEETHE regarding anything related thereto. So, to see so many lock-step with the tones of the High and Low lands is quite giggle-inducing.

>>50168085
I bet Ursula was a MILF in her 40s and a sex goddess in her 20s.

>>50171774
>stop funding Chang
>Chang's country collapses
China's biggest victory is making people believe in its overinflated power. Stop trade with China, the US hurts badly but China collapses

>>50171897
Clearly no understanding of Chinese history and the 2000 years of on/off isolation. China always gets fucked when it opens up. Then it closes and is just fine

>>50168085
God I wish

fuck off russians

>>50172091
She has like 10 kids

>>50168596
This guys is right
>>50169500
And diversify to who? The Qatar that sponsor JIDF?

I hear fisting can lead to long term incontinence and makes women angry they can’t laugh anymore without worrying they’re gonna piss themselves. Probably angry at men too..

.. really makes you think

>>50172251
Mmmm, damn. I bet she just naturally puts her knees behind her elbows and spreads her roast beef vag out for max surface area as a the Illuminati just do a fucking train on her. All the men just become a blur as her pussy prolapses sucking up all that old man boomer cum.

>>50172304
>>50172251
That will probably do it too.

I bet you it’s like throwing a bratwurst down a water slide now

>>50168085
Retard here, could someone explain wtf is happening? Is it ww3 already?

>>50172759
Euro is collapsing… americas fault but actually stupid cunttards in Brussels and Strasbourg willingly gobbled down the coolade so really it was them

>>50169192
you forgot to boot out all the rapefugees and to restart German militarism.

>>50169125
get into the dollar for now + BTC and ETH unironically. The past 2 years have shown everyone how property and "freedoms" don't mean anything.

>>50168085
no its we have become cucks for fucking usless ukraine. wanting free stuff. instead of siding with powerful russia getting cheap gas, oil, coal, steel, wood and much more resources.

Is there even any western europeans itt or is it all slavs?

>>50168735
>Hell, you guys all speak English
Are you retarded?

>>50173208
all slavs. Look at the poor grammar and the retarded perspective that puts their backwater as the stage of the world. kek >>50169827
he thinks Europe has any leading technologies LOL. It's all regulated bucko. Europe chose the diversity and dollar dominance. I wonder if this is why the elites allowed Brexit to happen.....

>>50169794
>Europeans love other europeans

LOL I cannot wait until you faggots start regressing and killing each other again. Most delusional babymen on planet earth

>>50173320
China doesn’t give a shit about Intel homo it gives a shit about ASML…

American technology lost ages ago. It has literally nothing the others don’t have.Read a book Jew boi

>>50168126
>she

>>50169125
>What the hell is the best move for the Euro?
Obviously a gold standard to keep the currency (which would greatly benefit Italy). Realistically I say a return of the European Currency Unit (ECU) as the unit of account, basically reversing the Maastricht Treaty.

>>50170555
Checked, very accurate sentiment.

>>50169192
>-Go back to simple free trade free work union.
you already left the EU anglosaxon scum

>>50168667
>>50168735
The federal reserve has always been a private venture by the bank of england.

>>50169827
>the eu should have been capitalizing on it's one major asset: technology
Are you retarded? There are like 3 tech companies in Europe. You just buy us software.

>>50170195
Maybe not be a worthless corrupt hell hole that hasn't had gdp growth in decades?

>>50170708
>portugal
>has had at least a female prime minister
Fake news.

>>50168085
Perfect timing for a nice vacation in EVRUPPA.

>>50173208
>western europeans
Sire this is /biz/ we discuss business here why would there be western Europeans here

>>50168596
>Europe has no idea what it’s actual interests are, let alone the balls to make a stand that isn’t virtue signalling suicidal bullshit
very true

Watch as I swagger into town.

Rich off my natural gas futures trades

Blowing dollars

Hehe

Brandon really made Europeans destroy their own economy for the sake of an American Russian billionaire named Bill Browder lmao

>>50169125
Europeans have two choices:

Invade Russia and secure a hydrocarbon future for their economy and people

Ally with Russia and secure a hydrocarbon future for their economy and people

Otherwise they will be a vassal of US’s LNG.

>>50177019
The european spirit historically was based in 3 things

1_Attempting new things through brute force (this was born in the renaissance)

2_Slave morality from the crisis of the third century creating a feudalcuck genetic bottleneck.

3_The idea of morality repressing natural urges due to christianity impossing this.

The first is basically dead in europe, only still alive in colonial whites in the americas, literally death in most of the world too except in israel, japan and to a lesser degree in china.

So europe only has the last two values now the morality repressing shit which used to be christcuckery is now social justice bullshit and is why they close nuclear plants to save the enviroment and do suicidal shit like housing regulations that don't allow to build housing.

And the feudalcuck slave morality crap is why they even celebrate and attacked people against vaccine passports and that sort of crap.

The entire continent is fucked because the only thing that moved it to a world power was not that it has resources but how powerful the renaissance culture of trying new things was.

It changed the world and europe without resources was able to dominate despite things like china having way more population and resources, hell china even had exploratory fleets bigger than the europeans.

Add demographic collapse and natural selection is about to cull the slave morality cucks like never before.

>>50177245
I think it’s far simpler. The US occupied Europe after ww2 and never stopped. We still control their entire system of life. So they are vassals and they get reminded of this whenever they try to step beyond their accorded autonomy.

Therefore before Europe can do anything at all it must kick out the USA from all bases in Europe.

And it will not do so. Hence it is useless for anything except economic optimization within the defined limits but even here it is being sacrificed and left to the dogs.

>>50177039
if hydrocarbons are your problem you can do coal liquifaciton since europe has excess coal.

Europe is not going to shit due to lack of resources france was building new nuclear energy plants in the 70s every few months they literally became carbon neutral.

It's a spiritual thing it's what happens when a country or in this case an entire continent adopts wrong spiritual ideas.

The usa would need a little more collectivism to do long term projects but it won't fall due to the lack of it.

Europe may need a hell of a lot more individualism, but it will fall for the lack of indivdualism, when you need approval of the local government to build a wood shack in your garden and it takes 10 years you know you fucked up.

But the europeans don't care they are a spiritually decayed civilization, they think such a thing is normal in their serf mentality.

The current european elites are pushing more than the ancien regime ever did and europeans from the lower classes love it, they love being shit on the face, they celebrate it.

Now we reached the point when the elites shit up in their faces so much that they forget to invest in the things that sustained a civilization since all they have done for the last 20 years in europe is distribute a pie that is getting smaller and smaller.

The French are the only ones to get this and try it. 1967, leaving NATO. And still trying an independent policy.

Remember the old saying about NATO:

— Keep Germans down (or Europeans generally)
— Russians out
— Americans in.

>>50177306
This pretty much. It's the same with Japan. There are a lot things Japan can't do because its a vassal of the U.S. For one, normalize relations with Russia, which it's been trying to do for like 60 years now.

>>50177306
if they were vassals they would not have laughed at drumpf on the united nations for telling them they were being retarded for trusting russia.

The europeans are also doing for the last 15 years massive femenine tier geopolitical shilling like macron trying to boycot te eu-mercosur trade agreement by telling bolsonaro was burning the amazon during the brazilian dry season.

Or even attacking drumpf and pompeo when trying to deal with venezuela commies as "energy imperialists" for trying to do the same in germany and venezuela.

They are not vassals at all they just been riding stupid yanks larping as captain america for 80 years while doing their own lower level geopolitical shilling.

At this point i would not be suprised if the successful attempt to stop te panamerican route by shilling the darian gap as an enviromental paradise to be saved was not in the end a low level eurocuck shilling to sabotage american interests by using enviromentalist as a tool.

Europe may lack the armies, econoomy and even cultural power than the usa has yet global institutions and political culture orbit it's retardation for some reason.

Low level shilling is why this happens ,they have a lot of soft power while yanks masturbate to aircraft carriers as they let the biggest oil producer in the americas become a commie rusky vassal.

>>50177360
HAAAAA
the US glowies control their anti nuclear peace flowers movement

>>50177445
Japan is not doing suicidal policies nor they are using state media to shill global agendas that fit it's long term geopolitical goals.

>>50177455
That’s all within normal limits of their behavior. Also trump was notably anti US “deep state” if you recall or at least perceived as such.

Europeans can make fun of trump or whatever this is not some medieval empire where you get killed for insulting the king. It’s a mercantile highly technical bureaucratic empire where you get manipulated to do what we want bc we control the levers in your society while pretending like you’re free.

>>50169500
go back

>>50177466
Did us glowies also told them to buy all their energy from russia with a pipeline that bypasses other eu members?

Drumpf seemed pretty pissed against europeans and all glowie media did posts showing him like a retard every time he was talking to european leaders.

Literally every time.

>>50177445
Yes. Exactly. Japan is so despondent at being held back economically and technologically by the US imposed limits that it literally stopped having children.

>>50177504
Bc the game was to squeeze Germany and Europe and trump was giving them a way out.

You really don’t get it. The European “leaders” all have some US think tank veteran advisor who comes in and says we can’t do this or we must do that and it happens.

>>50168596

was going to say that was not very coherent until
>Europe has no idea what it’s actual interests are, let alone the balls to make a stand that isn’t virtue signalling suicidal bullshit
I get it and agree. Literally 0 feeling for the peoples they govern.

>>50177455
Basically all the issues with Europe are trying to copy American culture bc we so thoroughly conquered the fuck out of them in ww2

>multicultural
>land of immigrants
>union of semi independent states, with central government in charge
>one central bank
>complete consumerist materialism
>worship of niggers

Thing is none of these were at all even remotely genuine given the history of Europe, they were the natural state of things in the US but they were forcibly astroturfed in Europe against all nature and without democratic consent and well, now Europe is falling because of it

>>50177523
>>50177489
it seems the other way around for me, it seems every us leader has an eurocuck leader that is trying to move the balance of power towards the atlantic and europe.

Every decision what would empower the usa relative to europe is boycotted or attacked.

Hell fucking yanks burn excess gas instead of using it in compressed gas vehicles, all while they force on them the electric car meme to balance the power towards europe.

There seems to be also a lot of attempts by us leaders to europeize the us by removing individual rights and move to a more european system with the masses under state control.

Also european state media like the french or the germans literally open shill against the usa.

More than fucking russia tv mind you, the ruskies are chamaleons and in one region they shill for conservatism and in the other for abortion.

But euro media shills an agenda in a synchronized way and when things like the usa tries to shape european policies they go into the attack together.

>>50177589
I don't think they are trying to copy us culture at all, they are just following the script after their welfarestatism crushed birthrates, all the things you described they have to do to extend their zombie civilization existence.

All european nations minus france are in demographic armaggedon starting next year and france literally follows more left and multicultural ideas than the usa and even before it was popular in burgerland.

>>50177609
They definitely Lobby as vassals always do. But it’s our armies on their soil.

>>50177609
Also US leaders likely enjoy the compliant European vassals vs the imperial center more dynamic free people. So they would like to Europeanize America on their own accord.

>>50169608
you sound like someone who doesn't read. Do you know what neoliberal means? It doesn't seem like you do

>>50168126
Before war: as Macron tried to do, take actions to show NATO wasn't surrounding/advancing towards Russia.
After war started: do a deal and give up East of Ukraine to Russia.

>>50177643
it seems to me the vassals have more power than the empire then.

The current crisis is happening because they literally openly refused the usa when drumpf told them to fuck off with the russian gas.

Also i still remember during the memezuela crisis how all eurocuck media attacked drumpf and pompeo for doing the same thing to germany with energy.

Also the entire cultural meme going on regarding big regulatory state is being pushed from europe into everyone, from fianncial regulations to energy regulations.

The usa is taking it in the ass without lube, the entire euro media also openly attacked republicans for not enforcing the covfefe meme with things like digital passports.

>>50177609
It's not the US being europaized, it's both Europe and the US being Sinicized.

Its hard to visualize a clear own EU policy/attitude.
Its institutions erect themselves on such deep pseudo-democratic (pseudo because one election, w historically low participations, serves as basis for these elected electing thousands others indirectly) pillars that when it comes to thinking for itself or what its place in the world is - it short circuits.
Its clear they have deep intent of centralization - but lowkey it seems out of personal interest rather than any genuine belief in something intangible holding Europeans together in some way.
They have no charisma and inspire few Europeans in the project. If Europeans feel anything such its from own experience not them.
Deadass they believe in literal political theory. Their "intergovernmentalist" bs states trade reduces incentives of war - boom. Now its in the wrong direction. Twats.
As for COVID, they only saw it as a spicy chance to suggest common EU debt (DANGEROUS)

>>50177711
Europe and the USA are parts of the same global empire fool

Neither is a vassal of the other. Both are vassals of the same parasitic cosmopolitan elite.

The media in Europe attacked Trump for telling Germany to get off the Russian gas? Guess what. The media in the US did too, because Trump didn't actually represent the global empire, he was able to get to power because America still has a closer semblance of democracy than anywhere in Europe but he existed as a foil and lightning rod to be crucified and lambasted by the media for putting America first instead of global financial capital first.

They attack Trump and the Republicans in Europe to get people to surrender the few freedoms we have remaining. They do it in Europe to get people to live their chains.

It IS different propaganda, by this year they've basically ditched Covid as it doesn't really sell in the US anymore but it's literally just different regional marketing strategies for the same international media conglomerate.

>>50177711
>>50177733
>>50177866
>>50177877
checked

>>50177711
>The usa is taking it in the ass without lube, the entire euro media also openly attacked republicans for not enforcing the covfefe meme with things like digital passports.
It's because our medias are now completely owned by liberal (((billionaires))), just like CNN and other American medias. We're fighting against a common enemy, the sooner the people realize it, the sooner we can hope to set us free. Euro crashing could ironically give them a serious hit in the face, it will be interesting to see how they'll react to that.

>>50177711
It’s like complaining that British empire didn’t respect Londoner cockneys in 1899

If you identify yourself with the volk any imperial project will seem oppressive to you. Even if your country is the imperialist.

>>50177877
I think that's a pretty teenager view of things, sure the same elites have power in both areas, but it makes no fucking sense why they would cuck the usa from using resources like gas by burning them for the lulz while also letting germany import most of is gas and plan to do it the entire century from russia which lobbies and works agains such empire.

I think all of this is just cope for the fact that people can't accept that the last 3 years have showed the world is ruled by absolute retards.

You can sell me the same elites have power in both places and work together, you can't explain me why they would let the usa burn most of it's gas for the lulz as the imperial core would be way stronger and would need 0 investment for it.

For me it's clear there are local elites and a global elite and both are massive retards living on existing momentum and surfing the post bretton woods system as it collapses to it's own entropy.

>>50177980
No it's not the same, germany literally told the usa to fuck off while investing their entire century energy security into russia(also bypassing other eu members by building the pipleine in the sea).

There is no rational logic to this shit, i can understand the secret imperial power meme on things like they close the nuclear plants because they would rather cull the plebs with wars and it's better if such tech is not circulating when it happens.

You can't sell me why they would buy 70% of their energy from russia which literally cucked venezuela into a feudal tier shithole and destroyed us access to the biggest oil reserves on the planet.

>>50169827
Europe has immense wind resources, pushing for offshore wind was a prudent move. Muh nuke fags are always the same and like to ignore that nuclear energy has the highest levelised cost of energy of any major technology

>>50177245
The decadent Romans had slave morality due to Christianity but the conquering Germans had master morality (beyond good and evil) due to Christianity. The character of the people is embossed on the religion the religion does not emboss them.

>>50178103
you still need a base layer energy to stabilize the energy grids wind is great but not capable of that.

As for nukefags i think they have a point sure cost may be high now but it sure as hell was not high when the usa and france were building 1 per month in the 70s and those were 2.5 generation older reactors which were shitter.

As for costs you could probably finance it for free unironically with cryptocurrency, all you need to do would be to do a deal with pow miners like binance and deal that any excess energy can be used to mine crypto.

Sounds retarded but proof of work would allow that you could probably finance new plants for free this way.

>>50178167
The romans had slave morality a century before mass christianity adoption, the conquering germans spent decades as refugees being assfucked by roman bureaucracies and eventually realized they had the power to change their destiny by force.

But i don't think you are right about the people making the religion.

Islam shows the opposite they created a feedback loop where they conquered, conquerors had 3 wifes and single males lacked wifes so they went to conquer.

This worked for centuries until the islamic empire cracked at the center due to incels chimping out due to lacking enemies to invade.

The religion shaped the people and turned them into a warrior culture, not the other way around.

>>50178264
*4 wifes

>>50168085
I am convinced that they eu only exists to weaken and destroy the European countries once and for all. They just waived a 100 billion package for Ukraine while we have no gas and record inflation. They have everyone's interest in mind than that of their population.

>>50178339
*signed instead of waived, I'm tired

>>50171231
you're unironically either insane or an ameriburger
in frogland 50%+ of the people were against EU in the referendum 20 years ago (the elites bypassed those results regardless). nowadays 80% of frogs are against their government, and although that doesn't necessarily translate to "against the EU", you better believe when push comes to shove the people won't be eurofriendly, simply because this current government has pushed that angle hard
>inb4 france isn't everything
second most important country of the union, it doesn't have to be everything to start something. italians aren't happy with the EU either. most of eastern europe will try to get gibs but hate EU policies
the "core" EU philosophically is basically nordic countries + germany. the merchants/autists types. no fighters there...

LMAOing @ all the Jewtinstein shills ITT

>>50168596
What was the double game urkraine played?

>>50170076
>Hard to say German thinking, probably thought trade=no war.
Nah that's not what it is. It's actually worse. The government there is just overtaking by delusional peacenik leftists. They have a completely delusional belief in the goodness of mankind and they thing believing in evil is bad and primitive. These morons' worldview collapses as soon as the idea that there might be people out there that would take advantage of your materializes. So in order to maintain their worldview, they ignore the unpleasant things in reality.

>>50179017
No, that is only the official narrative. They know full well evil exists, because they're serving it. I refuse to believe that all the bad decisions they make is only due to naivety and incompetence. They have to genuinely hate their own people.

>>50168085
>muh pound
kek it's losing faster since bongs are 100% american vassals at this point with no upside

Well yeah, the end goal of the Jews has been to destroy white Europeans. Mutts are their proxy and easy to collapse.

>>50178190
>>50178264
>>50178285
t. teenager that finished reading baby's first Nietzsche with footnotes. I can tell by your writing style that you are under 18 faggot.

ITT: depressed Americans doomposting because they just want to see the rest of the world in flames along with them and Russians working on OPTICS