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>>50120160
>graduating from UC DUDELMAO
>thinking he's gonna make it
anon I...

Uh...bachelor of ARTS? Isn't it supposed to be Bachelor of science if you get a real one?

>>50120160
It's one of the few degrees where there are more jobs in the field than graduates of that field. Also one of the highest paying

>>50120160
>literally everyone and their brother looking for a "career in tech"
>CS degrees awarded has doubled over the past decade
>CS degree enrollment has probably quadrupled over the past decade
>CS degrees most popular course at most universities, huge waitlists
>engineers self-studying and retraining to enter software
>scientists and mathematicians self-studying and retraining to enter software
>entire industries around learn2code popping up
>leetcode/DS&A schools, bootcamps, free video tutorials, etc.
>entry level saturated
>mid level soon to be saturated
>tech companies basically only source of stock market growth over the past 10 years
>tech companies now retracting offers and beginning layoffs
>techniggers maintain that this can't possibly be the top
this is the california gold rush all over again.

what are all the rights and privileges of being a computer scientist?

lol majority of the faggots who get degrees for it are brain dead retards and companies seek out self taught over them

>>50120238
All that and there's still a shortage of tech workers.

>>50120160
Yes, but only if you go to a really good school. Otherwise you'll be competing against H1Bs for internships at Amazon.

the autist and jews got super jealous of me getting a comp sci degree so they'd make up shit about me and harass

>>50120238
No just people in STEM, everyone from every profession is retraining to try to get a tech career.

>>50120286
wait until you go through your first recession. VC gibs dry up, PE ratios come back to reality, suddenly everyone out of work is fighting for a chance at a job that is 1-2 levels below where they previously worked.

look at the growing number of tech companies that are pulling offers and trimming fat. not just bullshit startups that were always going to fail, but big institutional tech companies like tesla, meta, twitter, etc. the writing is on the wall.

>>50120238
literally none of those things are true

why the BoA and not a BoS?

>>50120227
UC schools have a hardon for turning everything that isn't engineering or physics into a liberal arts degree

>>50120160
Yes and it's not even close

>>50120160
No, the degree you're thinking of is Software Engineering, Computer Science is essentially the lazy retard version,and it's not th best degree either, that's Mathematics, it's simply the highest paying with only a bachelor's, with math you really need at least a master's.

>>50120238
how much of your day do you spend browsing the internet? a lot of people spend the majority of theirs on it or working through it. computers are everywhere and in everything. obviously there would be a massive demand for cs degrees.

>>50120286
You're not wrong

>>50120486
Nah, I think there is literally a difference. At my school there was BSCS, and BACS...BSCS was the proper one, BACS was literally just liberal arts where you took 4 basic programming classes in your senior year.

>>50120373
literally every one of those is true you dumb gorilla nigger

>>50120486
It's affirmative action for the shitty, unemployable fields of study. Make general education classes so you are guaranteed to get a large chunk of students studying something totally different to take some of your classes (and early on in their degree, before they drop out) then start pushing for other degrees to incorporate more of your classes. Since colleges are run by academics, they're going to run the system as favorably to academics as possible.

>>50120360
>institutional
>tesla, twitter
hey buddy the retard convention is that way

>>50120160
I really fucked up by choosing a fullstack bootcamp over a computer science degree didn't I?
It's starting tomorrow

Close but not exactly. A stats degree will get you farther. You can work in any field you want $90k starting with no experience -- just the degree. An Msc will put you close to a senior role and you can earn a doctor's salary.

>>50120238
all of that and there's still a shortage of devs

>>50120238
Its a rapidly growing industry and will keep growing for decades, we use our PCs/phones and the internet more than ever before. Even our cars and fridges are becoming mini computers.
I'm going in to cybersecurity solely because it's going to be a top priority in the long run for pretty much every business.

>>50121501
You're probably still comfy. If I were 18 I'd do a comp sci degree but full stack devs aren't exactly starving. And you can always do some online, part-time comp sci degree if you ever feel ragrets for not going.

>>50120160
I made it in comsci bros and it's pretty comfy, I just want to go remote so I could escape this shithole expensive country already but I work for a boomer company

>>50120238
And yet I'm 31 years old and making 152k a year in Georgia while being 100% remote. We hire people like crazy but most get let go within a year. Tons of people want to be in tech, but most are unable to do the work.

I graduated from that school with the same degree. If you took classes with the right professors (not Tantalo, Mackey), you're set.

t. jobless

>>50120160
everyone I know with a bachelors in CSE either makes 6 figures or has figured out a way to make a living without a job

im a german hans, do you think i could make it to the us in i get a cs degree? really need to get out of this shithole before the collapse desu

pretty much

>>50120507
Are you retarded? Most schools don't even offer a degree in "software engineering". And even if they did, software is just a small part of computer science and respected much less than CS

>>50120160
Yes.

It still has the highest salary growth/potential.

The threat of outsourcing all of the software to pajeets is only partially true, because we've been insourcing software pajeets via H1B.

>>50121501
How old are you?

>>50121501
Just finish the bootcamp and if you can't find work, then at least you have a leg up on your programming skills going for a CS degree. It's no big deal.

>>50122412
Based. I'm in a similar situation making $180k remote job in a semi-rural area.

The "coding is a meme" crowd never gives alternative paths nor career solutions which is where their argument falls flat. If software can be fully automated or completely outsourced then every industrial is fucked so it's a moot point.

>>50123474
if pajeets can get h1b can a german get one too? i want to come to the us desu

>>50120160
None of that shit is gonna matter soon anon

>>50120198
>2005
Yeah, I'm thinking he made it. In 2005 if you even remotely knew how to use a computer you could call yourself a programmer

>>50123530
Definitely, I've had plenty of European colleagues on H1B.

I think you'd be competing with pajeets for H1B quotas, though.

Computer Science/Maths is based. However, except few niche areas, and few big companies, most business work is boring/brain-dead as fuck. All you need is AWS/Design Patterns/CICD & shit like that. There is no innovation there, it’s all processes & product BS. You don’t design awesome algorithms, run simulations or design ML models in a boring company trying to maintain cashflow in a recession.

It’s all about leverage. If you’ve leverage, go for exciting things (models, ML, bioinformatics, ML/BioTech etc) esp when you are younger. Yes, PhD is useless for avg corporate, but when you seek positions in aforementioned areas, everyone demands a PhD. And you can do that at side, even if takes 6 years. Don’t be a Ruby/Python/ slave.

They will be so many "software engineers" that it will just automate itself. All retards will be in denial because they know that this is inevitable.

Fuck CS. Overrated field and the people in it are personality of a plank.

While I'm very happy with my FAANG salary, I do wish that I could get similar salaries overseas. You're basically forced to live in America forever or cut your salary in half.
>>50123673
The parts of software engineering that can be easily automated already have been automated. At this point any major advancements would require AI/ML which just changes companies from needing traditional devs to needing data scientists to tweak the algos into something that's actually useful.

>>50123673
Nearly everything will be automated.
We are all fucked.

>>50123471
>Most schools don't even offer a degree in "software engineering".
Exactly, it's scarcer and more valuable as it's a much more rigorous program; there isn't much to the field at the research level as there is for a CS PhD, but the reality is most undergrad CS programs are a code monkey meme degree while SE has the rigour of an engineering curriculum and pays like $30k more on average

>>50124465
You know just because it has the word "engineering" in it that doesn't make it rigorous nor even worthy of being called engineering
Software engineering deals with SOFTWARE, which is much close to what you would call a code monkey compared to computer science which theoretical and involves much more math

>>50121417
that too

>>50120160
No. Aerospace Engineering and Material Science / Chemistry are the most important degrees for actually advancing militarily and as a species. They also allow the individual to understand the natural world and enjoy a fun job. Computers can automate quite a lot of what we do nowadays, but not the most important parts (aka finding *new* applications of tools) nor will likely ever be able to without sentience.

>>50120160
No. Don’t do it if you’re only in it for the money.

>>50120522
>How often do you drive a road, most people drive on one every day.

I honestly think we're close to the point where the actual internet infrastructure, sufficient for the needs of the public at large, is for the most part built. Outside of bibleo game development and fine tuning the algorithms that companies like Tik Tok use to keep people addicted, I think there's going to be a slow down in development. Just like how highway construction slowed down after the interstate system was completed.

>>50120160
Bros...I am in school for cybersecurity....can i still make it or are the jobs a meme...

>>50124549
Where, exactly, do you think a CS major is going to work that they'd be doing theoretical math with a bachelor's? If you're serious about that you need a PhD to do anything useful.

And if you think the average undergraduate CS program caters to those elite few rather than brainlets and women who want to code monkey, go take a look at the class photo at your local university and see for yourself

so i've got a bachelors in engineering.
should i do a masters in computer science or software engineering? or does it actually matter because the curriculums and employment rates look similar post completion.

>>50123591
> bro just do a PhD
Take an extra year to do your masters and work your way into cool avenues like that, PhDs are exceptionally soul crushing

>>50120160
>two thousand AND five
holy fuck these retards can't even write out numbers correctly

>>50124595
This, You really have to be 100 percent or you're going to fail.

>>50124738
but what if i hate everything else? can you not just force yourself to accept it?

I'm thinking of getting into front end web development. honestly will any company take me seriously if I teacher myself front end with no computer science degree? should I even waste my time learning?

>>50123591
>>50124683
CS PhD here. You can do a Masters to help you get a good job if that's what you want, but PhD is only worthwhile if you have a specific job in mind that you need it for (professor, researcher, etc.). You spend a lot of years making almost nothing being treated like a slave, and then you're likely to spend years in a shitty postdoc position still being paid poorly (I was getting 70k before I quit). Thankfully I became a crypto millionaire and retired, because I couldn't stand research work after a while.

>>50124694
"Four score and seven years ago"

>>50120160
Unless your degree is from MIT nobody really gives a fuck because as it turns out all degrees are a joke

>multi millionaire who sells meme nfts as a joke
>bought my second house outright last week
>never even finished school
>married with 2 kids
>I PROFOUNDLY HATE THE ANTICHRIST

>>50124845
No, I was literally unemployed 2 years ago and now I make 100k aud as a front end developer from self learning - albeit I do have a IT degree.

A portfolio is the most important thing and keeping up with latest tech and not some boomer stack

>>50126753
thanks for the encouragement. I do have a degree but it's in accounting. Do employers like that you have any degree on your resume even if its unrelated?

>>50127107
do a bootcamp, preferably one that has partnerships with decent companies. bootcamp + degree = reasonably hirable. Keep self teaching for now until you're ready to cough up a decent chunk of cash.

>>50127138
thanks for the advice

>>50120238
fuck all these niggers i wanted to write code since i was like 5 and it's never too late
zoomers that came after me can burn in hell

>>50120160
>>50120229
Ahahahahaha
HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

t. Developer

>>50120160
What's an easy CS job where you can get away with bullshitting your way through?

>>50124645
you will ALWAYS be in demand bro. ygmi.

Did I fuck up going to tech school for Cloud Network Technology? Should I just do software development?

bros, i completed a diploma of website development (pretty much fullstack ) through TAFE (basically australian trade school) and am feeling the urge to do a bachelor of computer science. im 20 going on 21 this year and from what ive done so far havent gotten any bites for jobs, id also like to network and use uni as an experience to help me grow (lol lmao i know.) - im about to inquire to a uni about how they handle previous qualifications but whats the difference like between webdev and computer science? am i going to be btfo? even with web dev i feel like im placing the tracks as i run down them and like i have no idea how i built previous things in my portfolio

Honestly guys, unless you are really talented for coding, you won't make the big bucks in the industry.

You'll be stuck in the equivalent of a dead-end job by working as a junior dev. We're gonna start needing electrical and other kinds of engineers, as if this trend continues, we'll have a lot of people that mainly sit behind the screen all day and no one to keep the infrastructure in check.

Though you can still make serious money in the software development if you know what you're doing.

t. electrical engineering major - cs minor

>>50120160
>Is computer science the best degree?

Not when electricity is about to become expensive and unreliable

Damn, I wish Arnold Schwarzenegger had signed my degree.

>>50120160
law, business, economics, medicine, math are best

humanics, social science worst

cs, engineering, natural sciences in between

29 and starting computer science this month. What am I in for?

>>50129439
>dead-end job by working as a junior dev
what's career progression?

>>50129439
everyone starts as a junior no? literally in every field. stop being a pussy you little bitch.

>>50120238
Aren't there still more CS-related job openings in the US than there are new CS graduates?
In Germany the number of graduates rose too but still far less than new openings.

>>50120269
>companies seek out self taught over them
You wish. Every job opening says "CS degree or related". Bootcampers and self-taught neets are filtered out automatically.

>>50122535
In the US you need at least a master's degree in CS from a German uni in the top 100-200, 2-5 years of job experience and good connections.

>>50120160
No, lol.
Anon you should realize that graphic designers do all the meaningful mobile and web work. Learn Javascript + an associate's or bfa in graphic design is cheap, easy, and quick. You can demand 6 figures after 4 years experience. Fuck computer science and the unnecessary maths.

>>50132296
Pfft you mean UI/UX? ,eme shit, cope

>>50132296
>6 months of user growth later
>help why is everything slow ;_;