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Do you guys have a ping pong table?

>>50047093
Cope incel. I get job offers out of nowhere almost every day. Just got one from Amazon, full time WFH :)

>>50047156
>she needs to join our startup
>let's invite her
these must be bots, there's no way, right?

>>50047093
Now do the Goy dance!

>>50047093
dont do bee . team buildings, or any sort of communication except jira tickets. am lazy as fuck, that's why i'm probably the best programmer around. if you double the competitive salary and leave me the fuck alone i'll think about your offer.

>>50047093
Sorry, I won’t join unless there’s a ping pong or foosball table.

>>50047093
Yes, but do you have bean bag chairs and all-day casual wear?

>>50047093
honestly i like to make fun of coders and call them dork faggots, but the truth is im just extremely bitter, resentful, and deeply angry (all in retrospectively) that i wasted college trying to party and get pussy while these dork faggots facefucked their C# textbooks and waltz into six figure jobs that are almost all now WFH.

I met these DORKS that live in thailand and make 140k which is like a kings ransom over there. even though they're total fucking dorks they can still get pretty hot thai girls because of their money and JBW. Meanwhile, I had this 5-6 year window from 17-24ish where i lived a rockstar lifestyle of constant partying and pussy and then it just abruptly evaporated after college. 5 years of that and now im a fucking loser who's 31 and works in a warehouse throwing boxes around. Yea, i could "learn to code" but my IQ is like 107 and i avoided math at all costs in college because i was lazy and stupid.

I literally cannot stand that dorks are living these lavish globe trotting lifestyles because they can work from their faggot laptop and meanwhile i just bide my time for at LEAST a year just sleeping, waiting, and working until ive saved up enough to go NEET in thailand again. meanwhile these fucking DORK are there ALL THE TIME and within a walking distance of tight thai hooker pussies and clubs that dont close until 4am

fuck every single one of you fucking faggots i fucking hate you all.
>>50047167
this is the kind of shit that makes me want to slit my wrist the longway. I'm not wanting of a job but i know that job probably pays 100k+. I only make 50k i can't fucking stand this shit

>>50047306
amazon entry level SWEs make like 250k minimum, full wfh

With the high demand for coders, are businesses hiring self-taught (no degree) programmers?

>>50047306
I love to see "Chads" like you seethe. I come from a shit hole and computers gave me the way of enjoying the world, I've lived in three Continents and I'm gonna fuck a Dutch roastie today while being a South American manlet to celebrate

>>50047366
Nobody wants your background in your self-taught coding you picked when making some shitty RPG Maker hentai game with generic assets.

>>50047354
yea great....that's great. i would literally just work 5 years and retire. fuck this gay earth and its faggot techcentric faggot economy of ones and zeros

>>50047366
Loads of them about, some are better than graduated coders because the courses are trash

Motivation is key

>>50047366
You need a portfolio. If it's good, they will consider hiring you. If not, they'll only consider it if they're extremely desperate.

>>50047354
I worked at amazon as an intern for 5 months while still at uni and got paid around 30k pm - was lit. I'm a quant now so I get paid more than an SWE + bonus, and I wouldn't want to just be an SWE again, but it was good money for student me

>>50047306
Just learn how to code, it's really fucking easy even though people want you to believe it's hard.

>>50047306
This. I had a friend in college who worked his ass off getting a CS degree (more so than your average cooder) and he made so much fuck-you money straight out of college that he quit his job at 25 and has been working on passion projects for the past five years. Meanwhile I studied chemistry which also isn’t easy but doesn’t pay shit so I both didn’t sling puss in college and didn’t make good money after college. I even knew several people who left chemistry at some point to learn2code (one of whom was halfway through a PhD at the time) and they’re all doing better than me. I’m 30 and I still think in the long run it would be worth it to learn2code but I’ve got sunk cost fallacy because I got a useless PhD. Unironically, my next job will pay about as well as my CS friends first job out of college

>>50047523
incorrect. All people who say 'coding is easy' are clowns/code-monkeys who can just about use some particular framework. They have no idea about code execution, interpreters/compilers. memory management, data structures and algorithms etc. If something goes wrong they'd have no idea how to fix it. And are also retarded.

>>50047306
It's not even about learning in school or having a high iq, coding you just learn as you do. I've been programming since I was under 10. I've never had a coding job though even though I have an extensive portfolio in different fields. I don't want to participate in office/pc bs culture, no thanks.

>>50047666
the reality is that besides algorithms/data structures, you really don't have to know all of that to get a decent job.

>>50047657
maybe this is some onions cope advice but don't compare yourself to others anon, that's just plain cancerous.

there are people doing much better than you, but there are also 10 times as many people doing far worse. you could've gotten into film studies for example.

compare yourself with who you were yesterday.

>>50047523
NO ITS NOT. its not fucking easy you 141 IQ faggot. I'm a RETARD with a ~110 IQ. my friend was a dorker and i would look at his matrix tier bullshit on the screen. its a fucking MYSTERY. and you have to be "math-minded" you have to "think in math equations" to properly program and execute your whatever the fucks? are you kidding me?

I AVOIDED math in college. in fact i deliberately majored in polisci to avoid ANY math. and you think im just gonna learn to code? what i think i could do is get into IT. I briefly tinkered with the CCNA and maybe i could get into that. i dunno man. the urgency is there but im just so fucking lazy its really a horror. i gotta save money anyways to make the foray. god help me
>>50047657
you can probably do it. you just have to do. i just have to do it also. being in thailand is like being a white guy in the 90s/early 2000s. its paradise. GOD PLEASE HELP ME

>>50047428
>Loads of them about, some are better than graduated coders because the courses are trash
they might be better, but big companies filter candidates based on degrees/work experience. The biggest hurdle is getting that first job as a self taught dev, after a few years degrees don't really matter unless you're getting into a specialized field.

>>50047523
im learning to code and im at the stage where i could superficially learn any new language easily (you just need to learn how each language handles output, loops, methods etc.)

what sucks for me is that it's tough to figure out how to solve problems that isn't in a bruteforcey way. I could probably solve that two sum problem in leetcode by just summing everything and checking for the target value, but i cant understand the simple optimized solution that is presented

>>50047754
take your meds friend

you don't really need "fancy equations" but you do need to think mathematically in the sense that you break stuff down and see how the variables you need relate to each other. you may need to solve for X with algebra but that's pretty much it

>>50047156
lmfao

How do you guys get past the boredom of learning2code? I might just have to sign up for a class rather than self-teaching, cause the beginning process is so fucking boring that I ended up quitting after a month.

>>50047872
*starts hyperventilating*
yea im never gonna do that sorry. to someone with a high iq you probably don't realize how enigmatic your horseraddish sounds to a retard like me

>>50047306
To be honest, you write like you have a higher than average IQ. The content suggests you have a personality that needs some work though. I'm a bartender making about 50k. I cant work from home but I enjoy the job and i still get pussy regularly. I'm sure there's a middle ground between learn2code and warehouse work for you out there.

>>50047724
Ty anon. I know I’m still doing fine for myself but it’s always painful to reflect on how much better things could have been if I had only been a little more thoughtful. In college I recognized at the time that I should learn at least some coding but I never did it because the intro class at my school was intense and I would have had to take that with an already heavy course load. Likewise there were opportunities for me to pick up some basic skills in grad school but it didn’t seem worth the additional effort if I only had some cursory background, but I probably still should have done it. But yes I’m doing ok for myself now and should just be thankful I’m not a total fuck-up.

>>50047929
set daily goals and reward yourself for reaching them, it sounds pretty basic but once you get the hang of a routine it'll become second nature.

>>50047754
Is this a troll? I know that coding isn't necessarily easy and I've seen a lot of people struggle with it, but this 'ooooh maths is scary, it just looks like the matrix, oh no equations' tier shit is <100 IQ and cringe

I've been looking at c and I find resources are either a few based jeets like Abdul bari/autistic slav , some comfy hobby books on c or balls to walls gigabrain academia I look at and wind up dropping. When should I drop c and just be a java monkey? It seems like java is the language that is actually employable for. Anyone try wgu? Either thinking of nutting up and doing this or just taking the tradepill in something else.

>>50047093
wtf we dont get cold brew i quit

>>50047929
Best way is to just zone out, and put some decent music on.

Once you get into that 'flow' state you can start to "enjoy" it. Just gotta tolerate getting the basics down in those early stages, which is just about doing it one step at a time.

Try doing some pomodoros or something and push through.

Kinda like learning to play guitar, but having to learn all the boring chords and scale first before you start to enjoy it

>>50047306
these thai tourism ads are fucking weird

>>50047354
Not true at all. Salary maxes out at 150k. You get RSUs which a can be worth quite a bit, but they have to vest. Stock price went up until recently which is why everyone quotes such inflated numbers. Entry level total comp is well under 200k.

>>50047953
thanks barchad. that warmed my soul momentarily

>>50047666
None of the stuff you mentioned is hard. Sorry for your 110 IQ.

normies genuinely pitch these because that is what they think we want, that's why they are even more confused when they are met with the typical 4chan autistismo unpredictable reaction

>>50048009
I have some great notes written by a uni lecturer in his 20s. It teaches C in particular for use on a microcontroller, but its really good because a microcontroller forces you to know the basics well because there is no OS black magic going on. There is also a hardware debugger and you can easily dump all the memory

>>50047156
i hate women so much it's unreal

>>50048215
Not for me, but for some. I try to empathise to lessen the impact of my autism

>>50047156
how did she take the picture with no hands bros

>>50047994
people are genuinely like this
i did a degree in math (mistake) and we were forced to take a course in matlab and R since they're vital tools outside of pure math
anyway, the grade distribution for the course wasn't a bell like normal it was a parabola because so many people (women) just couldn't do it
and this was a sample from the first year of a mathematics degree at a decent college
coding completely filters anyone with <115 iq
>>50047657
i know your pain anon
it's not too late
if you are smart and driven you can learn to code in under a year easily and break into the industry

>>50047666
While there are a lot of people that can only copy&paste, you usually don't need a deep understanding of these areas unless you
-run into a problem, in which case you do your research and figure it out
-Use a low level language, but then you tend to have deeper knowledge anyway
The truth is, we coders are just fucking monkeys applying whatever the eggheads cooked up in their labs, they're the real heroes

>>50047754
A ton of people are doing it, and trust me, most of them do NOT have an IQ above 120
What you have to understand is that it's all just instructions. The computer won't do anything until you tell it to. Proper math is only important when you're working in certain environments (like working with physics engines), and even then it's "only" coming up with formula, you leave the solving to the computer. Really, it's only hard if you refuse to learn

>>50047810
I've been sticking with high level languages and learning about a few low level concepts which are interesting to me because I like optimization, but honestly, if it runs well enough you don't need to optimize it, it's unpaid time after all

>>50047366
Have a GitHub. Contribute. Have people you worked with on indie projects reccommend you. It works. Nobody cares about a degree unless you're running mathematics based coding (integrating new physics into a model, etc). They care if you can take that nerd shit and use it appropriately.
Buy books on mathematics anyways since maths are important to code

>>50048009
you're not gonna get a job programming c without a degree. if you really insist i would recommend you look up mit cs syllabus and look up their lectures on youtube.

>>50048287
Long exposure

>>50048761
yeah self taught programmers mostly become webdevs, but I dont understand why you need a degree to work with C. Its not like school teaches you anything but bare minimum about anything practical anyways,

>>50048169
>>50047409
half true? Amazon doubled their base salary caps. but good look getting a package structured with $320k.
I mean, hell, good luck even getting through the third year there. RSU is all stacked on years 3 & 4 but most people quit after 2 years lol.
The interesting thing though is they've lowered their bar for hiring dramatically. fresh graduates interviewees get a take home assignment and it gets marked red, yellow, or green. if it's green, they have a very casual 'verification' call to see if you understand the code you submitted or if you just copied from someone else.

>>50048009
Try C#, it's Java but infinitely better and the world is slowly waking up to that fact

>>50047306
hate to break it to you, but you don't even need college to wfh and make 100k
i'm a hs graduate, wfh 3 days a week, and will clear 100k this year as a sysadmin

>>50047306
just do IT, you can get 100k without being gigabrain, even if SWEs will disdain you

>>50048837
clarifying, I mean a $320k base salary is pretty much off the table, but it's technically achievable currently at amazon.
and the verification call, it's cool because there is no actual interview, they just do the take home and if it's green they verify you understand and they make you an offer. crazy.

>>50047206
Beta males are just that pathetic.

>>50047354
Wrong its like 150-200k total comp so not even all cash. depending on alot of shit. 90% will get tye lowend.

>>50048847
that's actually kind of bad advice.
C# devs get paid lower salaries then java devs.
and java devs don't get paid particularly lucratively but pretty well.
it's just a supply and demand thing. as time goes on, java dev salaries will deteriorate slowly while colleges keep popping them out. C# salaries is what java salaries will look like in 15 years.

>>50047156
>men are making money
>women want in on it
>complain it's too hard
>fuck it all up
>still get paid
Why can't we just have a nice society? Why do they gotta fuck it all up?

>>50048837
that can't be right, I had a friend go through the new grad interview process pretty recently and another that is interning there this summer. none of them had to do a take home of any sort, are you confusing amazon for another company??

>>50047306
The nerds win in the end, cry harder

>>50048954
I don't know man, coding in Java is incredibly painful, I'd rather get paid slightly less if it means I get to have some resemblance of fun while coding

>>50047306
MIDWIT HELL

>>50047093
>mfw got called a rockstar by the project manager for completing my section of the project early

Do wagies really

>>50047156
Jesus fuck bunch of simps. Did anybody call her out on it or what?

>>50048579
I really don’t understand how people can either hate or not understand coding. I’ve always liked coding and probably should’ve done CS but I’m studying mech eng. Most of my classmates all say they hate coding (we got taught matlab so we can do numerical simulations).

I’m not particularly intelligent, but I just don’t get the hate for it

>>50048983
no, I'm not. there was a poll on blind where the OP was surprised his friend got an offer without interviewing and he mentioned the take home test.
the poll showed 60% of people saying it happens and 40% saying they've never heard of it.
not mistaken on the company, people who interned don't get the take home test. also only applies to fresh grads as well.

Why isn't there a shared platform for applying? No, LinkedIn and Indeed don't count. Every fucking listing insists on applying on the company site and making yet another fucking account just to apply. What is the fucking point? I just want to send my CV in and be done with it. Maybe follow up with a hammy phone call to try and sweeten the deal. Do these companies really need all this info for themselves? Who are they selling this info to? Could someone make that platform and become a millionaire or is this like the ink/tonerless printer where anyone that makes one gets disappeared for fucking with big printing?

>>50048996
I mean, I'd agree with you, better to do what's enjoyable then getting an extra 5%? salary.
just pointing out that, if you have no idea what to learn, you may as well go for the more profitable language. of course there are much better paid languages they could learn, e.g. ruby is pretty easy and makes like 15% more then java dev.

>>50048287
Tyrone is taking it

>>50047167
amazon has a really bad rep on the tech side, which if you were a player you'd know

>>50049349
maybe that OP was talking about how they skip straight to a final interview if you ace your OA instead of doing 3-4? either way that salary seems pretty inflated for new grad at amazon, like you said they're the least picky out of faang because they like to churn out employees.

>>50049112
Kek anyone calling her out just gets called a hater. Here she is critiquing ID software's John mccormacks genius and legendary fast inverse Square root code, and comparing it to some inefficient badly written drivel that she wrote kek. Her hubris and ineptitude is ASTOUNDING

>>50047093
>Flexible work schedule
>Casual attire

>>50049165
i always felt the same way about math too
i just didn't get how it made some people even angry because there are rules that clearly outline everything and it's impossible to fuck up without knowing you fucked up
even at a high level, as long as you know what you're doing, you might not know how to get to the desired result but you know whether or not a manipulation is valid
but coding made me realize why this is the case: i'm smarter than they are
not to be arrogant about it but it's a simple truth: they cannot process so much information at once on a basic level
they can't keep track of what four variables in a method are doing much less four methods
coding literally is just feeding a computer commands if you're remotely intelligent it is easy because you're just telling a computer what to do and it does exactly what you ask
>mech eng
i'm sorry anon
you should've done cs
i went into mech eng out of my math degree and it was awful and the pay is bad too compared to well cs
it took a few years to pivot fortunately a "math" degree is vague and nobody has ever asked me what modules i did since i mostly did more physical ones

>>50047156
>be hot woman
>we NEED more women in STEM
>not me tho im too cute to do this

>>50047306
DORKS

>>50049102
I was looking for accounting jobs and there was this small local firm of like 10 people. They had a recruitment video and the workers looked like they were smiling at gunpoint and they had a bell hanging in the middle of the room that the owner would randomly come in and ring for a mandatory clap/stomp/dance pep session. It was like office space on steroids but real. I really wish I could find that fucking video again.

Should I take a cs minor as an econ student? If i do then it opens the door for a quantitative econ masters degree. If I dont then I can study financial management in grad school. Help?

>>50048761
Yeah I know that it's impossible to code c job without degree I just like it cause it's simple for the basics. A lot of degree programs dont even teach c now. Think I might just take the webdev shit for some side income for now. Any webdev that uses java? Could learn java and build real shit same time. Webdev shit is what got me into c in the first place after dabbling in JavaScript.

>>50047093
>>We're looking for rockstar coders
>>Salary: Competitive
>>We work hard, we play hard
>>Hybrid work schedule
>>Free snacks and cold brew on tap
Skem. I'd rather join the Open Ocean Council Program, a DAO ambassador program and BUIDL Squids

>>50049426
no, it's straight up skip all interviews if you get a green on the take home, but a phone call asking about the OA verifying you understand it.
the guy that said $250k was definitely wrong, but you can levels.fyi to figure out a reasonable price point.

>>50050102
If you're good at Rust, you'll make a lot of Bitcoin out there.

>>50050015
Stop wasting your fucking time. Be a squid dev and see the packages for yourself

>>50047093
Sounds like a nice gig, desu.

>>50047156
holy KEK

Is there any hope for a 27 year old dude to learn how to code and get a decent paying job before hitting the 30's?
I made a mistake and graduated into one of the worst paying jobs ever created. So after spending 3 years of my life seeing how my salary can barely pay food and rent, I want to explore other options.
Is there any language in particular that is easy to understand, has decent wages and doesn't require a degree? I just want something I can understand and do in the 4-5 hours of spare time I have after working.

>>50047306
Make the change you want in your life, don't just wait for it to happen, fag.

>>50047943
bro youre being hard on yourself

im actually retarded

you can pick up coding easily if you have the right teacher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKHEtdqhLK8

check this video out, he's really nice

>>50050040
>Should I take a cs minor as an econ student?

The answer is obviously yes. Do that or minor in math.

>>50047957
glad to hear it

why do so many people ask the same question
yes you can learn2code just join a bootcamp or something or if you're <25 go to school and get a degree

>>50047306
kek faggot
I started programming in middle school and breezed through college without breaking a sweat

partied my ass off every weekend and still ended up the highest-paid codemonkey in my course, all because I had an enormous headstart

>>50047093
>cold brew on tap
alcohol?

>>50051049
cold brew coffee I think

>>50047681
what do you work at now?

>enjoy doing leetcode algorithmic style questions
>can happily spend hours trying to break down and solve a general optimise x or search for y problem or debug something related to that
>urge to procrastinate goes through the roof when asked to make something pretty or adjust the border of something

I'm a college student. I could probably work in software programming if I wanted to. Is there any point or will my soul be destroyed since all jobs are webdev and hardly any roles are in algorithms and performance and the only people who get those jobs are senior developers or olympiad math/compsci guys?

>>50047156
I would allow this in my company only if she was my lover.

>>50050659
Join the Subsquid's Team Abyss Dev team and learn how to index data in the next big web, and get paid.

>>50051322
Holy shit more? Hot office women and their legs are literally my ultimate fetish

>>50047093
Kek. I cant do shit but play games. And that too the collectible card ones like Cometh battle. But if I could code, God knows I would have already been rich. Kek. Wish FOMO existed during our career choosing days instead or just crypto investing days. In any case, hodling till I make it. Kek

>>50047666
He said learn2code not
>DUDE JUST LEARN DATA STRUCTURES
>DUDE JUST MEMORIZE EVERY ALGORITHM
>DUDE MASTER EVERY CODING CHALLENGE
>DUDE JUST WAGE SLAVE FOR 50YRS