/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50030952
The land on which it stands is normally included in the sale price.

>>50030952
reminder that jews are now building 5 story apartment complexes entirely out of wood, marketing them as luxury apartments, and charging $2200 a month for 600 square feet. these buildings will all collapse within 2 or 3 decades, by which time the developer will have sold it to some retard boomer-tier REIT group. it's a commieblock but worse, because at least commieblocks are still standing 3 decades after the fall of the soviet union.

>>50030996
How the fuck is this legal? One small fire and the whole place goes up like it's Dresden.

>>50030979
like every other part of the world

>>50030952
>WOOD
fake ass shit particle board LMAO

In California, you do NOT want to have a brick-and-mortar or concrete house. Not a good idea - unless it's sitting on a special, expensive structure designed to absorb the shocks (Japan is a leader in that field), wood structure houses withstand earthquakes a lot better.

>>50031027
also water damage. the amount of water damage you see in apartment bathrooms is crazy. now imagine the impact of that on structural wood. but i'm sure rabbi shekelstein is his good goy contractors and subcontractors are using the finest pressure treated, water resistant wood available -- they'd never cut corners with bottom grade materials.

>>50030952
>I know what I got!

>>50030952
Real wood would be better.

>>50031035
it's not as simple as you're imagining it, no

>>50031094
you cant buy real wood for mass housing. only farmed wood, which is fast growing softwood that warps and has zero resistance to decay. all the tight grained slow growing wood have been felled or reserved for high end furniture

>>50030996
I am fucking shocked that this is a real thing. I bet they called it "innovation" too. Disgusting.

>>50030952
>its not the house its the terrain thats expensive!
>lives in the 2nd biggest country in the world

>>50031035
no

What does /biz/ have against wood? I just renovated an old monastery from the 1100. The original wooden rafters are still in place and carrying the roof. Seems pretty durabil to me.

>>50030952
Imagine going into lifelong debt for this crap lmfao

>>50030996
>5 story WOOD apartment complexes
guess the kikes wanted something to remind them of the ovens...

>>50030996
wth where is this?

>>50031173
jewish homebuilders don't use wood because it's cheap and good. they use it because it's cheap and easy to buy in bulk. and it's also very easy to pay a team of illiterate, illegal mexicans $8/hour to build a "home" from scratch with nothing more than a thousand man hours of hammer swinging.

>>50031230
Los Angeles based on the area code on the advertisement in the image.

>>50031230
basically any suburb in the USA where zoning allows for 5 story apartment buildings. i watched a half a dozen of them go up near me in a few years. i live in the suburbs of philadelphia. they're popular all over the country.

>>50031027
The wood is usually fire treated. Or so they say. Also, sprinkler systems.

>>50030952
Maintenance is more important than material. "Oldest" building in Japan is made out of wood (because they rebuild it every 20 years). That one apartment that collapsed in FL was steel and concrete, but poorly maintained.

>>50031173
Wooden rafters are fine, in fact they’re preferable if you live in an earthquake or tornado heavy area. Plus if it’s an old monastery, it’s actual solid timber being used.
Walls being made of glorified particle board, on the other hand, is as jewish as it gets.

>>50030996
I don't care what happens in 3 decades. I don't own the building. These luxury apartments are actually very nice and spacious inside, and in my town they available for less than 1100/mo. They're definitely worth it. My absolute fucking dogshit apartment is 750/mo, not that much less.

>>50030996
This is basically what multi-storey apartments look like here in FL.

>>50031170
>Using a children's story as proof.
Reminder that every wooden home in CA holds up better than the mudbrick houses that collapsed in Afghanistan.

>>50031354
you will, if you're still living there in 3 decades.
>local government gets new tax revenues from multiple 5-over-1 goystables
>income tax from residents and landlords
>apartments become uninhabited in 2 or 3 decades
>tax revenues disappear
>wtf we need to raise taxes to offset the losses in tax revenues

>>50031270
>>50031283
Crazy, I wonder if they're doing this in Toronto as well. I know the mcmansions they build around here are mainly made out of wood, most of them look like shit. Just something about them that makes them look cheap.

>>50031465
If the area is still desirable then, they will just tear these down and put some more up. Remember, the kikes are making money hand over fist on these, and they're not stupid. They will have people analyze it, and determine that a new 5 (maybe 10 by then) story shack will be worth the investment.
If the area is not desirable, then there will be luxure shacks somewhere else.

>>50030952
https://youtu.be/eWukNKYLMZo

Wood is not an inherently bad building material. In many countries (including ones richer than the US) almost all houses are made entirely of wood, and it works great. The problem is building them in a cheap and low quality way.

>Europeans can't understand construction
lol

>>50030952
do burgers rly

Considering there are wooden gates in the city I live in that are older than your entire nation (13th century) I'd be less worried if it was actual wood compared to what looks like MDF in your picture.

>>50031146
I can buy real hardwood for house building right now, well in the morning.
Because I live in a based country that isn't full of retards.

>>50030952
It's not wood it's cardboard lol

>>50030952
Feels good to be European

>>50031078
A foot of foam is special and expensive?

>>50032284
Name one country richer than the US

>>50030996
Those are called "5 over 1" constructions. The more you know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-over-1

Burger here, I live in a wood house that was built in 1908. It is holding up fine, there is noticeable sagging in the ceiling and a few soft spots on the floor and some of the rooms are at like an 80 slant and one time honey leaked from the ceiling but it's still perfectly usable as a house

>>50030996
this would be great if they were affordable housing but we all know it will be sold "at fair market price" and have shit appliances, no amenities, and smell like piss in the hallways
honestly we just can't win. build nothing and we complain, build something affordable and it'll get exploited, build something nice and you're priced out already and back to square 1

>>50032743
Ok ? Was it all made from chipboard including Beams and joists ?
Was it made with modern meme construction methods?

>>50030952
>Wood
'This' is a building made from wood
'That' is particle board.

Really is a huge lie, like claiming to build something from stone and instead building with a bunch of sand glued together.

>>50032765
I don't fucking know, it's made of wood

>>50032791
1908
so it is good wooden construction and not particle shit board

>>50032791
They used hardwood back then

>>50031283
villanova area here
theyve destroyed the neighborhood i grew up in

>>50032774
you talking about cement or bricks

>>50030952
that's woodchips and glue not even wood.

>>50032711
Thanks based anon

>>50032869
i live in morrisville. some faggot boomer from wayne is trying to build a 5-over-1 boomer complex and """gentrify"""" the waterfront with boomer storefronts and other kike bullshit aka build a $150 million monstrosity that prices everyone out. i hope someone murders him. the company is JWJM enterprises.

>>50031147
China unironically builds skyscrapers with bamboo scaffolding

I honestly can't tell if these threads are made by trolls or honest retards. The boards you monkeys are eeking and ooking over don't support the building, the actual framing timbers do. The boards don't even make up the most important parts of the building envelope. They are there to give something to back insulation against before facing with wall board. I swear that not only is everyone on this board underage, they also came from single mother homes, since none of them have any idea of what is in the walls where they live. Do you retards also think that stone faced buildings aren't using lumber internally as a support?

>>50031146
Look at this retard. He thinks that he sounds smart, saying that the joos won't let you buy the good, sturdy trees for your house, neglecting that no one but rich people were building their wood framed homes from cedar and old growth oak centuries ago. Its disgusting that we don't execute people for speaking English without understanding sylviculture.

>>50030996
It's shameful for these low-rises to be built of wood. However, houses are structurally wood-framed across the first world now, including Yurop.

>>50032404
One of those is from Canada.

>>50033621
it's ontario, the fattest, most american place in canada, it's a testament to american 'captilaism" so it can stay i think

>>50030952
We are the Golden Goose of Israel. China will be its new Goose now that we in the USA are about to be economically slaughtered and served at the Feast of Saturnalia. China, enjoy the next millennium as Israel's new Goyim!

>>50031309
"collapsed"...my sides...

>>50034062
Canada is an alternative history United States anyway

>>50034062
Full of nigger pakis chinks and unaffordable everything. Is that what America is like?

>>50030952
osb is substantially worse.

>>50033496
Framing is chipboard nowadays too

>>50031567
it's the land that has the value, so they put absolute minimum quality materials into building those shitholes

>>50033053
be the change you want to see anon

>>50030996
and they look exactly the same in every city

>>50034231
Yes, that's what happens when you neglect maintenance for years. It's happening increasingly across the country because we don't have the money to service old infrastructure.

This thread is full of underaged or faggot retards (and europoors lol) who don't know shit about construction or construction materials

What's wrong with building a house out of wood?

my wood house is peak cozy
i wouldnt trade it for the world
glad i bought it instead of crypto since its going up like crazy

>ITT a bunch eurofags pretending that their houses are fancy because they are built out of rocks
admit it, if you europoors didn't chop down all your forests then you'd build your houses out of wood too. bunch of faggots

>>50031035
>China has entered the chat

>>50030952
I want to live in a converted bus. It looks mega comfy :)

>>50035241
Lol no, euros were already making houses of rock and stone even when forests were plentiful, american houses are just disposable crap like the american cattle itself.

>>50030952
Um… there are structural differences, and what you think we aways just stacked rocks to make our structures? Weird thread I’m in

>>50035373
Disposable houses seem fine to me. All the cities stuck with old homes have such shitty plumbing and wiring. You can't really anticipate what the future will bring, easier to just build new whenever you want

>>50034563
> we don't have the money
nah we do just not for that

>>50034578
neets everywhere

>>50034302
I make sculptures out of chipboard lol. Let’s not forget large-span glue-lam beams can span like 50-60’ just fine, although certainly not 1/8” chipboard kek you imagine the fire hazard?

>>50033247
correct!

>>50034563
I guess it's just a coincidence that that Apartment Building was the same building where McAfee had his Dead Man's Switch Server and Blackmail Drives housed?

>>50035531
I mean sort of. If we fixed everything, it would just about bankrupt us, though. A ton of American cities would be rendered insolvent simply modernizing their infrastructure.
>>50035582
*intellectual agony*

Lmao at amerifats conflating their shitty pine and particle board construction with actual wood

Everything is wrong in America.

>>50031027
>How the fuck is this legal
loopholes in building codes, mostly

>>50035582
legit

>>50036423
I wonder how different things would be if infrastructure was all privately run. Definitely not better across the board, but maybe better resource distribution. I feel like a lot of people would choose to pay for better roads or whatever over digital services if it were direct funding instead of a big pool of tax dollars that maybe gets spent on your area. It'd probably super fuck up poor areas, though

>>50030952
How long will these homes last

>>50030996
brick buildings are soulless and old. so much better to just rebuild homes every 30 years 60 yo brick buildings suck to live in.

>>50037285
also commieblocks are the future. their construction is infinitely easier to automatize than brickshit

>>50030996
also commieblocks are the future. their construction is infinitely easier to automatize than brickshit

>>50030952
literally particleboard

>>50030996
This will not end well.

>>50037089
Last? 40-60 years

Be unusable because people don’t know how to maintain something? 15-20

I’d build my house out of cardboard too considering I won’t stay in it for 20 years and neither will the next person

>>50031370
afghan "mud brick" and rammed earth buildings are notoriously solid. They had a reputation for stopping everything from a 50bmg down. They don't look pretty but they are built to last.

>>50030952
Limestone is the superior building material

Watching a house go up in my neighborhood. The particle board looks a weird shade of orange and they've left it out in the rain numerous times.

Pressure treated wood is greenish. Not orange.

>>50030979
*Unless you don't pay taxes on it or the state just wants some/all of the land they can eminent domain you.

>>50034255
swap pakis and chinks with blacks and hispanics that riot and steal when they're not popping kids out or smoking/dealing drugs.

>>50033496
redpill me on sylviculture

>>50037831
Certain brands of OSB sheathing is orange. OSB itself is moisture resistant, it's fine leaving out in the elements short term.

>>50038980
the perfect woman

>>50033496
but you're wrong, why do you think they have those timber crosses put up before they put the osb on? the thing has no horizontal stability beyond contact with perpendicular walls, which would be fine if the whole thing was monolithic ie. reinforced concrete. instead you get a pile of cut wood held together by cheap nails, osb and some drywall, and only one of those provides enough structural stability so it doesn't collapse like a stack of cards by a gust of wind, mild earthquake or more then 30 cm of snow. osb is a structural element in skeletal constructions
t. architect

>>50030952
hmmmm this doesn’t bode well for my zestimate

>>50030996
What's the ticker name?

>>50038980
almighty...

>>50032685
Are we talking "total GDP" or "average net worth of citizen"? Because the answer to the first is China and the answer to the second is every country in northern Europe plus Switzerland plus several countries in the Middle East

>>50030996
popping up all over hollywood

>>50030996
>europeans can't into wooden buildings
https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/worlds-tallest-timber-framed-building-finally-opens-doors

>>50032774
Now that one actually looks nice

>>50042105
I like how both of those are wrong
>source: my asshole

>>50030996
This is because of retarded zoning laws in america

>>50030952
>>50030996
I was a residential and commercial new construction plumber for about 10 years until last year.

You would not believe how horrifically shitty brand new “luxury” houses are. Real estate companies will cut every single corner and then charge $800,000 for a piece of shit that was built as fast as humanly possible by Mexicans, meth heads and retards. I feel bad for anyone who bought a new house the past 2 years, you were completely fucked.

>>50031309
>Maintenance is more important than material. "Oldest" building in Japan is made out of wood (because they rebuild it every 20 years). That one apartment that collapsed in FL was steel and concrete, but poorly maintained.
If the mortgage period is 30 years, but you have to rebuild every 20, which is requires you to take out another mortgage, then how are you ever going to be owner of the house?

>>50030952
>do burgers actually take out 30 yr mortgages on WOOD houses?
it's not even wood, its glued saw dust

I wonder how many man hours are wasted every day by Europeans complaining about Americans all day. No wonder the EU has a lower nominal GDP than the US despite being an entire continent. All your seething and bitterposting makes you lose productivity, which makes you poorer, which makes you seethe and bitterpost even more. I feel sorry Europeans live with such a primitive culture and mindset

>>50042499
That's the neat part.

>50042589
0 (zero)

>>50033496
Dont worry, it is a troll. But I worry that the idiots that don't realize its a troll and takes it as gospel is scary. And there's a lot of thay going around. Lots of knowledge from reading, watching, listening to everything on the internet, but zero experience. Most of these kids who think building log homes is the standard wouldn't have the patience to get through the planning, permitting and scheduling part of building a home without crying about it and giving up.

>>50042589
how much money does the US spend trying to subvert and ultimately muttify happy white countries?

>>50037285
worthless zoomer mutt opinion

>>50030952
It's not wood, it's shit wood. I wouldn't trust a house made of chipboard to support its weight. It's basically just wood chips embedded in glue. How long do you think the glue can last? Actual wood superior to concrete and some types of bricks in many ways btw.
Also, you're not supposed to take out a mortgage on your own house. Just buy the land first and take it step by step. You don't need the money all at once and you should be able to make couple hundred dollars in 3-5 years to finish your project. You take out a mortgage on investment homes when you think the gains are going to outpace the loan payment and the maintenance.

>>50038980
I would

Imagine caring so much about what construction materials people in other countries use. Why are eurofags do obsessed with the US?

>>50034650
You'll get huffed, puffed, and blown.

>>50031250
This.

The houses are built with bargain basement scrap wood and sawdust pressed into boards and assembled poorly by lazy and illiterate illegals then they put a nice looking vernier of cheap Chinese made siding on the outside and formaldehyde off gassing sheet rock on the inside with faux granite and faux hardwood with faux brass et al throughout the inside. It’s then sold at a 500% markup + fees and financed for thirty years with interest.

>>50030996
Jesus Christ how is that legal?

>>50033496
>Do you retards also think that stone faced buildings aren't using lumber internally as a support?
You're brainwashed by NA home building practices. You can easily, trivially do all the support for a building with masonry and steel.

>>50032765
You skipped the part where honey leaked from his ceiling. Aren't you curious?

You can thank the Jews for changing the laws in America after WW2 in a way where they stopped building so many brick buildings.

>>50032711
So it's invented by a guy with the last name Smith and mainly used for affordable housing. Bringing ghetto islands into suburbs all across america. In the article they mention how it can sometimes be associated with gentrification but often has the effect of keeping house prices down... I wonder why?
The town I just moved out of built 10 of these in the center of town around a playground/splashpad. It was nice now it's terrible.

What is this fucking bullshit I read?

Obviously people don't understand the basic principals of building materials or construction practices/ technology.

If you don't know something then STFU. Timber performs better than steel in fire. FACT

Timber performs better than brick and concrete in Earthquake FACT

Engineered wood products (glued) is not cheap material and has been designed to be stronger than solid timber. FACT.

Bunch of low IQ faggots here.

>>50046610
>Timber performs better than steel in fire.
yes rabbi, i'm sure.

Yes, I am sure and so is the whole structural engineering profession and all the supporting academic and professional body independent lab testing is also sure.

Not sure if your fucking luke warm IQ can understand that timber naturally chars and forms a insulation around itself. Where steel melts and loses its strength exponentially when exposed to heat. That's why they require a intumescent paint....

go fucking look up the causes of all the steel building collapses in the city. fucking dumb ass

>>50046844
>Where steel melts and loses its strength exponentially when exposed to heat

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams you fucking kike

>>50031078
you mean foundation? all have them and can be done with an engineer

Steel beams do not reach temperatures in building fires to turn into liquid.

But they do get hot enough to warp and deform them.

There are other building collapses besides the twin towers you degen.

>>50030952
>wood houses

This is literally worse than wood, it's wood residue glued with titebond lmao

>>50046610
Who makes a house out of steel?

>>50046610
>timber doesn't catch fire bro trust me bro btw wanna buy this 2 million USD cardboard house? Market is getting crazy lately haha

Wood is primarily only strong in one direction (look at the grains).

By gluing wood in a way where the grains can run in multiple directions you have an element that can resists shear and tension forces in multiple directions.

Look at the panel locations, they are used as bracing. the main studs are still solid timber and beams would not be OSB. the floor acts as a diaphragm so again grains running in multiple directions gives better strengths over all.

By using the OSB for the cladding, you essentially adopting more than enough bracing, there is so much redundancy there.

But I'm sure you can explain it better why it is crap using your extensive structural engineering knowlegde. fuck tard

>>50047232
>By gluing wood in a way where the grains can run in multiple directions you have an element that can resists shear and tension forces in multiple directions.

>Please buy my cardboard house, the post

Holy cope lmao

>>50030952
You should see what they make them out of in AZ

>>50047232
Get the fuck out of this board nigger with this cancerous reddit spacing and your le wood.

>>50047389
Fuck you he's passionate about wood. The annoying thing is how the builders hide all the wood and pretend the building is concrete like normal heterosexual buildings. It gives the buildings a fake and gay feeling.

>>50035241
Entire forests were chopped down just to build the foundation for one castle.

>>50047232
kys reddit faggot
nobody asked

>>50031567
>Crazy, I wonder if they're doing this in Toronto as well.
Nah, it's not legal to do this here in Toronto, (((yet)))

>>50046462
Just bees, anon
I wouldn't worry about it

>>50041475
There is some truth to this statement, but its all the bong ripping hippy architects driving everything to wood frame due to low carbon footprint. I'm not blaming architects entirely, but you're dirty as fuck on this and you know it.

Wood is actually a very good building material. Very high strength to weight; easy to work with cut and modify. Will last 100+ years if built right / kept dry.

People who shit on OSB and the same people who shit on drywall. OSB is superior to plywood in many ways due to its dimensional accuracy and resistance to bowing in the field if not installed promptly.

Attached is picture of a R30 insulated timber framed wall. You don't want to know how hard R30 is to achieve with brick / concrete / europoor building method. Plus a timber framed house is MUCH, MUCH easier to renovate / move outlets / remodel than a concrete house.

Those Los Angeles 5+1 houses are a seismically safe (Cali has strictest seismic building codes in the world - look it up) due to the flexural stability of timber over concrete. Sprinkler systems do a pretty damn good job of keeping wood framed apartments safe. A concrete apartment block catching fire will not burn down but it sure as fuck will evacuate the entire block for a long time during the rennovation.

t. structural engineer working in US construction for 20+ years.

>>50030952
>amerilards and their fucking paper houses

man...

The actually high quality posts in this thread all give detailed information about building materials and engineering principals which support the houses in question. The posts criticizing them are all low effort shit. Why is this?

>>50032685
Norway

>>50038980
>the woman
>perfected

>>50030952
When you pay for a home, you aren't paying for the home, you are paying for the protection of the local police force.

>>50048662
Because underagetards have infested /biz/.

I visited my sister living in a nice house in uk. And the walls was from dunnothename cardboard.

I live in commie flat and obviuosly she have it 10times better but that cardboard walls was just such a turnoff. I was lying there not even touching the walls or anything and still had that constant feeling that it’s just aint right. It felt so cheap to the bone.

just not used to it.

>>50030952
I never understood why they can’t just pay to extra $10k or whatever it costs to upgrade to plywood. Plywood is still shit but it’s at least 3 times better then osb garbage.

>>50032404
America is this way because of Jews being in control. Jews love ugly shit that demoralizes the goyim

>>50030996
How?
The jewish greed and carelessness really don't know boundaries. They will sell to the people that it's totally fine and people will believe it the gullible fucks they are. No questioning.

>>50047081
>But they do get hot enough to warp and deform them.
yes but that's not what happened on 9/11.

>>50030952
Dumb ones do. I'm in FL so not have a block home is suicidal. Between all the weather possibilities and the heat, it's crazy to live in a wood home. Now termites are the real killer. In FL your home WILL get termites so if you have a block home obviously the damage will be minimum as the can only fuck with roof joists and that's a rarity.

>>50030996
That's standard. Unless you're dealing with a sky scraper