/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>49977798
kek, Wut, Anon? Russia basically has a commodity backed currency....they'll be more than fine.

>>49977890
Especially since their efforts to pay have been refused.

>sorry (((money lenders))) you can't get your money back, think of Ukraine!

Priced in months ago.

As much as I hate soviet commies this is propaganda. Imagine the same headline for the US, and its: hmmm wonder if congress will vote to say "lmao postpone debt payment"

>>49977798
>BBC
cope bongfags
get ready to freeze to death this winter

You mean the debt that they forbade Russia to pay? lol
lmao even

>>49977798

why is the west still spouting garbage? They lost, it's over.

>>49977798
Evergrande says hello. The dead property that still lingers

>>49977798
L O L
>fuck the jews

>>49977798
Will it be the most artificial """default""" ever? American banks literally refuse to accept the debt payments.

>>49977798

Russia will get screwed hard the next time oil prices dump if they haven't solved Ukraine.

>>49977932
They want to pay in Rubles, but they are worthless outside of Russia

>>49979047
>they are worthless outside of Russia

you mean they are worthless in a small group of countries that are pushing their children to be gay.
Russia is on fine standing in the majority of the world.

>>49977798
No end to the lies they tell.
They think they can meme a war victory.
Violence is where their shalom word magic loses all power

>>49979065
>on fine standing in the majority of the world.
I don't think Pajeetland counts anon...

is this bot thread or what

What happens if Russia does default on its debt and just goes lol fuck off?

Expect to see this real soon.

They can invade a sovereign country without much ramifications. You think they care about a deadline?

*steals your 300b*
heh, why aren't you russoids paying debts?

>>49978185
the US prints the USD, the reserve currency of the world
russia has no such thing

>only 100 million in debt
Bill Gates has spent more money gaining a monopoly on US farm land.

>>49978200
doesnt the uk import energy from Russia?

>>49977932
Based glows dabbing on moneylenders and funding neo nazis
Back status: us

I will say though that now that reddit is covering for neonazis I am going to have to become antifa

It's so funny to see poltards supporting literal commies because muh globohomo

>>49978420
>2 more weeks
I hope you also kill yourself by that time

>>49979065
>majority of the world
with a fraction of the GDP of the remaining countries. and the biggest members of your little cute BRICS alliance hate each other to the point that they are close to war. you'll realize how fucked your country is in the next months, ivan, and it's entirely your own fault.

>>49979065
t. putinbot

Refusing to pay a handicapped creditor in dollars is not the same as defaulting on sovereign debt (like Sri Lanka, Pakistan (without China). The reality is that they will pay, just not in dollars.

>>49979500
Desu, and block bank transfers

>>49980145
Ukraine culture is literally pozzed. Women get bent for prostitution, men are faggots unironically, and majority of them are Jewish

>>49980176
oh i took a loan from you in usdc let me pay it back in ust!

>>49980176
i wish i could pay my debts in farts and pepes too.

>>49980125
No. They have their own gas and oil. Theyre currently exporting gas to the EU to make up a little of the shortfall but there aren't enough undersea connectors so the UK has too much gas actually (and not enough storage) so they're burning it for electricity which is dumb but what can you do...

>>49979475
Iraq?

>>49977798
>sanction your debtee
you know
they can just, like, not pay you as a result of that

lose credibility as a nation?
you and what army?

>>49980194
You fundamentally don't understand the situation and saw a headline and jumped onboard. The rupee is surging and SWIFT sanctions have done absolutely nothing to the Russian economy. This is a tapering/move away from the eurodollar as reserve. They are not unable to pay, they are refusing the terms of the payment. They are WRECKING Ukraine btw, which is good because Ukraine is a globohomo vassal state which prompted all of this, deposed a democratically elected leader, banned opposition party, and shelled Russian-sympathetic west Ukraine for 8 years prior to this.

>>49980191
They aren't asking for permission. And either way the ruble has, since the conflict began, performed better than any fiat currency in the world. Lol You fundamentally don't understand what is going on in every way possible.

>>49979519
the real reserve currency of the world is oil, you dingus

ITT: Amerimutts seething

УPAAAAAAA ЗA POДИHУ ЗA ПУTИHA

>>49977798
>he thinks Russia gives a fuck

>>49980253
>They aren't asking for permission
because nobody cares what russia is going to say
>the ruble has, since the conflict began, performed better
A SHOCK A FULLY REGULATED ZOMBIE CURRENCY PERFORMS WELL TO BOLSTER DICTATORS SUPPORT! A FEAT NEVER SEEN BEFORE
lmao you're retarded putinbot

>>49980264
Yes

>>49980243
> this is your brain on /pol/

>>49980271
They are setting the terms because they have complete control over the power dynamic, you fucking moron. Have you heard of cross currency markets? Their sovereign profits from oil have increased since the "sanctions" and them being "removed" from SWIFT amounts to them having to make a few more phone calls. They hold the oil, they hold the power. They aren't unable to buy dollars or bankrupt, they are fundamentally making foreign creditors suck it, at least at face level.

>>49980264
jej

>>49977798
I've seen this one a couple of times already

>>49977798
Is it that debt what they don't let Russia to pay back?

>>49977798
For something to be over it had to first begin. Russia has been in a state of decay since WW2.

>>49977798
>TWO MORE WEEKS

>>49980270
nigger i live in russia and i do give a fuck
this country is fucked to death, 2-3 more months like this and will be in full on economic collapse
retail consumers can't buy shit anymore cause prices went up(since no retailer believes in roubble) while roubble is worth more in banks and loans are more expensive to take, so everyone is fucked
>>49980299
>They are setting the terms
lmao russia is coping hard cause we can't admit we lost all of our reserve funds, and losing a war over a fucking ukraine, power dynamic my ass, faggot
>Their sovereign profits from oil have increased
lolno, thats what bloomberg "experts" say cause they take oil price and multiply it by russia's exports, in reality we have to sell oil at a massive discount to india and china
>They aren't unable to buy dollars or bankrupt
we have no physical ability to buy dollars, retard, unless we sell oil and gas for usd, but we aren't even doing that rn
/pol/ russaboo monkeys on /biz/ never cease to amaze me

>>49979065
Not sure if you're an absolute retard or just another vatnig shill...

>>49980311
>Crimea
>Ukraine
:^)
>>49977798
Nobody hates commie subhumans more than me, but artificial defaults are one of the biggest memes of 2022
>>49980320
This implies it was ever good
>>49980324
>2 more weeks, the post
>we lost all of our reserve funds
>lost
got stolen
>>49980145
poltard here, not supporting either, so fuck off

>>49980311
>>49980318
>>49980333
shitty putinbot memes straight from twitter ofc
a disgrace truly

>>49980324
Why would retailers IN RUSSIA not want the Ruble. It's the only valid currency they can then use. Oh no, wholesale importers are going to go bust and actually local businesses will flourish. How will I buy my cheap useless junk?

>>49980294
What about what I said is wrong? You watched a touching media campaign proffered by the neocon/neoliberal uniparty and thought that was a meaningful way to understand the world. Ukraine has already conceded most key regions and have lost like 90% of their material ability to support themselves. Literally every hero story has been completely false propaganda: The ghost of Kyiv (Ukraine gov admits was made up), snake island (Ukraine gov admits they surrendered), Zelensky on the frontline in body armor (photos from a year ago), muh captured border flag (was literally 3 guys who snuck through the woods lol), etc. And Russia hasn't even tried to tax their reserves. Ukraine is getting absolutely fucking wrecked and Europe is completely cucked to them on energy and commodities. BUT BEN STILLER VISITED THEM AND POSED WITH ZELENSKY!!! When George Soros agrees with George Bush agrees with Bill Clinton agrees with Jacob Rothschild agrees with Adam Kinzinger, agrees with Barack agrees with etc... agrees with the collective of western media outlets with rigid, complete intolerance for even superficial criticism challenging warmongering, and all of the same retards who put BLM in their bio are putting Ukraine flags along with the neocons, consider vetting the story for more than a collective outside hour not including Newsguard TM sources. Lmao

>>49980169
>with a fraction of the GDP of the remaining countries
There can be 5x difference between dollar nominated GDP and the amount of real goods and services.

>>49980344
Russia will collapse in two more weeks, trust the plan.

This post has been fact checked by NATO patriots.

>>49980343
>got stolen
what happens to your funds when pajeet rug pulls you on another bsc shitcoin? are they lost or no?
>>49980345
because 99% of retailers in russia incorporated in foriegn contries and NEWSFLASH nobody uses rouble in US, EU, china, india or whatever shithole you name outside of russia

>>49980324
You can look at the price and outflows of oil, you seething fucking idiot. Ukraine is unequivocally losing the war. It isn't even close. They have lost major locations multiple times in the last 2 weeks alone, but cover the story of retreat as "leaving." Hence the headlines about "maybe needing to cede the contested land to Russia for resolution."
>Can't buy dollars
You just showed everyone in the world how you don't understand what SWIFT financial messaging is or how the eurodollar system works in general.

Outside this, the sanctions had the opposite effect and lead to completely, inelastically dependent nations needing to take extra superficial steps to buy rubles to buy energy instead of dollars, or meet the gold agreement Russia set forth.

It was hilarious when McDonalds basically gave away their entire restaurant chain in russia and then the new owner just slapped a new label on the packaging

Globohomo corporations are giving away tons of money right now to appear woke enough kek

>>49980324
fuck off globohomo retard

Keep watching CNN. Russia is about to collapse... any second now...

>>49980347
you have been told already by kind people that still try to argue with vatniks online. >>49980324 and >>49980271
considering your post contains ALL the talking points of russian propaganda along with schizo pol shit, you are likely being paid for posting here. or just retarded

>>49980363
>because 99% of retailers in russia incorporated in foriegn contries
There's your problem. Local domestic producers only. If you're not taking local currency it's because you're dealing overseas and basically skimming off the top by not having domestic labour. Criminal garbage.

>>49980399
YWNBAW

Hoholsisters, are we the baddies

>>49980376
>Outside this, the sanctions had the opposite effect and lead to completely
oh gee, true, look at iran, venezuela and NK, they are all world known leaders in multiple industries, such as growing nutricious grass, farming runescape gold and drawing portraits of their supreme leaders
thanks for outing yourself as a putinbot, no point talking to you any further

Vatnik cope is delicious once again

>>49979404
Well anon, when US/RUS glows get tired of ruining other blue boards like /k/ they branch out and find new ones. Seeing as how business is basically just applied politics for gains, it naturally makes sense they would come here. And then you have retards on either side of the argument that feel like they need to chime in on things they know little if anything about, fueled by propaganda, and add in a dash of trolls that really could give a shit what happens and you get this thread. Are there some bots? Sure, there's bots in every thread on every chan in existence because that's the world we live in now. Hell I'll admit I've even fallen for it in making this reply, which I doubt you will even read. There's no real winners, just a lot of wasted time and resources and a ton of bloodshed and dead people and shattered dreams, lives, ruined land, lost resources, and backroom dealings that actually determine how things will shake out. The best you or I can do is sit back and watch it unfold, and appreciate the memes that come from it - I guess that's the real upside in any conflict anymore, state sponsored development of memes, which can sometimes be fucking hilarious. Me personally, I just want to fucking grill, and am incredibly assblasted that brisket is as expensive as it is and that I can't drive around enjoying the countryside as much as I used to. I feel like an idiot for getting tied up in the virtue signaling nonsense. I really just want to move the fuck on and get back to grilling, and it would be nice if people didn't have to keep dying on both sides of the conflict because war is and will always be old men having disagreements over which they send young men to kill each other and rape whoever can't get out of the way.

Russiatroons are lunatics

>>49980401
>Local domestic producers only.
either tell us how to create a microchip manufacturing plant from ground up and integrate it into economy in less than 5 years or go back to /pol/ please, you niggers have no fucking idea

I'm looking forward to the winter of death
Let grandma freeze to death to own Putin

>go back to pol
>russia WILL collapse in 2 weeks, b-because IT JUST WILL OKAY

>>49980345
Which is why I said we are shifting (tapering) to a new reserve basis (note I never said the new standard would be the ruble or any sovereign fiat). In the meantime, what you are describing in Russia, is happening everywhere 100x worse, especially emerging markets. The global dollar shortage is squeezing the rest of the global economy. The US has high CPI but this isn't the same thing as monetary inflation. The dollar surging against virtually every other currency is a really bad sign for the global economy, and in the end, the dollar as well. The war in Russia is substantially (not entirely) to help manage this and transition from it. Literally all of Covid has been. This started to really rear its head in September 2019, was stifled, and then again, COINCIDENTALLY, in March 2020, but was completely understood as something that will happen.

>its all about some 200 million chum change
Even if it was 200 billion it would still be a non issue.
/biz/ I am disapoint

weird thread. i mean probably 90% of the threads on /biz/ are paid posting at any given time but this one is different.

>>49980410
Why do you need to gesture to them instead of being able to directly reference Russia? How is comparing an isolationist totalitarian Hell and a communist shithole which hyperinflated its currency even close to comparable. You have no idea what you are talking about. Calling people Putinbots on 4chan is probably the funniest thing I have ever seen a newfag do to sophistically persuade anyone of something since people tried to call those pointing out the clot shot was dangerous "shills." Lol Go back.

>>49980399
Again, specifically, what points that I've said are wrong? Be specific. If I am wrong and provably so it should be really easy. Be substantive or go fuck yourself.

>>49980458
>How is comparing an isolationist totalitarian Hell and a communist shithole which hyperinflated its currency even close to comparable.
cause russia is so much different, right? a true democracy lmao
>a newfag
t. 2016(at best) fag

>>49980444
It's different because a thread about russia is always flooded by /pol/tards and vatniks. Truly ridiculous people.

>>49979065
vatnig I…..
>no mastercard
>no paypal
>no microsoft
>no nvidia
>no intel
>no apple
>communism is now officially when no iphone
>z logo cope
>putin losing his mind at his own glowies
it’s over….vatnig…..just accept it……

>>49980425
Ah yes because all commerce is tech. Grow up faggot.

Also, I could but you'd be too dumb to get it

>>49980480
It literally is. And the economic realities are completely incomparable. Again, why else need to rely on strawmen? If you aren't a newfag I have no idea why you think calling me a Putinbot is a substantive argument when I am arguing actual points.

>>49980518
>It literally is
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
>I have no idea why you think calling me a Putinbot is a substantive argument when I am arguing actual points
because you're either extremely retarded or a putinbot, which is honestly same thing
>>49980515
Yes, all of commerce is tech, when you can't repair your fucking billing machines and there are no new ones but your government still asks you to provide all the billing information it all becomes about the tech and its just a small example of the absolute top layer of commerce.
My country can't produce any high tech goods while it also 100% reliant on an industry that needs those high tech goods to sustain itself.

>>49980469
everything except for
> they are refusing the terms of the payment
wich is called a default you vatnig monke
and
>This is a tapering/move away from the eurodollar as reserve
and even this is only partially right. it's russia being moved away from the global economy, along with eurodollar.

since I replied to your message I guess you'll get 15 rubles or so, don't forget to exchange
them for rupees while you still can.

>>49980469
alright, i'll make the effort to go through some of your giant pile of runny shit, you fucking retarded shill.

>is not the same as defaulting on sovereign debt
the *reason* for the default isn't the same. in terms of *effect*, it absolutely is. check the credit default swaps and you'll find that russian debt is utterly uninsurable on global financial markets. it doesn't fucking matter why they are defaulting - nobody is willing to baghold russian debt, pushing yields sky high.

>And either way the ruble has, since the conflict began, performed better than any fiat currency in the world
you should read the releases by the russian central bank. the strong ruble is not something that russia wants, because it's a net exporter. they've been actively trying to bring down the strength of the ruble because it's hurting what remains of their exports and have failed so far. the russian central bank is very transparent about this. the ruble is also not gonna be a reserve currency any time soon, strength on paper or not. and it hasn't helped keep inflation in russia below 10% either.

>being "removed" from SWIFT amounts to them having to make a few more phone calls
this is so out-of-touch that i don't even know what to say. i'll let you put 1 and 1 together given that the currency conversion is strengthening the ruble, which isn't ideal for russia, and that everyone (including BRISC nations) prefers euros and dollars over monopoly money. why do you think they implemented the pay-in-ruble-decree? surely not to protect gazprombank from swift exclusion?

>They aren't unable to buy dollars or bankrupt, they are fundamentally making foreign creditors suck it, at least at face level.
see above. having low demand for your debt for years and decades is not "based and redpilled", it's turning your shithole of a nation into a useless cripple.

now fuck off back to where you came from you slimy faggot. i won't give you any more of my time, so you can save yourself the reply.

>>49980495
Oh noo not the luxury consumer electronics nooooo. It's over Russiabros, the porkies have won this round.

>>49977798
Default to who?

>>49979065
I don't think you understand. Maybe you are from Russia. I have a 10 Billion Zimbabwean dollar note as a novelty (I actually use it as a bookmark for economics books. I want a ew Russian roubles as well for similar reasons, novelty books marks. As money? You must be joking, if it is not dollars or euros its worthless, even worse for roubles there printing press is in Russia which is a dictatorship in a war so the only place you can use them is a complete shithole. Utterly worthless. The gays have nothing to do with it at all. Russian being a bit of a shithole does though

>>49979429
>What happens if Russia does default on its debt and just goes lol fuck off?
Can't pay pensioners, state employees, policemen, soldiers etc

>>49980432

>>49980243
>The rupee
>>49980253
Well at least we know where some of the insane pro Russian crap is coming from.

>>49980646
All the Indian shills they pay to spam 'russian stronk'....but it is not.

>>49980664
>I have a 10 Billion Zimbabwean dollar note as a novelty
where can i buy one myself? don't want to be scammed by ebay pajeets.

>>49980702
>>I have a 10 Billion Zimbabwean dollar note as a novelty
>where can i buy one myself? don't want to be scammed by ebay pajeets.
No idea these days anon, I got it well over a decade ago, I would imagine that dealers catering to banknote and coin collectors would be able to get one. I'll but a million rouble note when they come out and I'd say it won;t cost me much in Euros when it does either. First they will print a LOT of actual roubles and then they will start moving the face value numbers up

>>49980634
You literally didn't rebut a single of my points. You just gave a hit minimum word count typed paragraph and avoided most of them still. On your first point you literally agreed with me that the meaning of the default was fundamentally not based in their inability to pay. On their ability to source dollars, my point is that you clearly have no idea how the decentralized eurodollar banking network works. They don't need to go through the fed. They don't need to use SWIFT (which is literally just financial messaging) to participate in the same network. They literally didn't lose an ounce of technical capacity they once had practically speaking. Them being an exporter in this eurodollar market is not relevant to them desiring the ruble strength, if so, why would they disallow purchase in euros/dollars and require purchase of oil in rubles? Literally makes no sense. On your last point, Russian economy is suffering. Guess what: EVERYWHERE IS. China is worse. South Korea is worse. Literally a dozen countries tripped 4/5 of the BIS's recession indicators. Everywhere is falling apart in the global dollar shortage, as I've said mutiple times. It is about relative rates wrt elsewhere. And the actions since Ukraine have only helped Russia. Literally none of your grand attempts at rebuttal even gleaned the central piece of the points you were meaning to address.

>>49980690
Because america can force nations to cooperate by pressuring them with withdrawal of credits or flat out war, i mean democratic intervention you fucking retard. The US doesnt invade other countries for resources under false pretenses right? Bin Laden surely wasnt a cia asset before he was the most dangerous man on earth.

this fud has been going since march

>>49980761
tl;dr

>>49980679
Literally point to a single point I made and say how it is wrong wrt the situation in Ukraine. When will you realize how you are literally an avatar for propaganda projecting the same reality onto everyone who steps outside your consensus?

>>49980755
hmm good point. either way, i expect either rubble, euro or dollar to hyperinflate in the nearish future so i'm just gonna get that.

>>49980772
t. read and can't cope with/unwilling to accept own wrongness and inability to argue points you know nothing more than misinformative headlines about

>>49980679
the ruble has outperformed any other asset on the market besides wheat since this whole thing began

>>49977798
And the Credit Derivatives Determinations Committee, which determines whether payments have been missed and investors can claim on insurance-like contracts called Credit Default Swaps, has already ruled that Russia failed to pay, after it didn't pay around $2m interest due on a late payment in May.

>>49980782
tl;dr

What even happens if they default? They're already kicked out of swift, nobody wants their funny money anyway and they demand rubles for their gas. What impact would a default even have?

Explain it like I'm 5 if you need to.

>>49977798
lmao they've been saying this since the beggining. this is unironically a 2 week dog whistle

>>49980762
which countries were pressured into joining nato?
answer: none.
you're a retard lolol

>>49980786
why aren't you all in then? it will only go up!

>>49980786
Are you stupid? Are you? Do you think the official exchange rate set by the Russian central bank which has banned the sale of foreign currency until September has ANY merit? Are you you retarded? Thick? Mentally incantated? Fucking idiot. Do not reply to be again dimwit.

>>49980761
> schizo screeching
you like that "literally" word, dont you

>>49980795
>nobody wants their funny money anyway
/thread

>>49980195
>No. They have their own gas and oil.
Not anymore. UK has killed its oil & gas because of the net-zero strategy shit. It's now exclusively energy-importing, which is why a litre of diesel costs £2.2 now. That's fucking a lot by the way. For diesel, no less.

>>49980615
I never said they were moving to the ruble. I don't think they are. You are just determined to misrepresent me because you know you don't know enough to argue against me. Your argument of their defaulting is literally a retarded Hobbsian word game which concedes the original point I even made--that their "default" has nothing to do with inability to pay or illiquidity. You haven't said anything substantive at all. You just gushed and projected your own vapidity through the tiredest otherizing/villifying argument of all time by calling me a Russian bot. Lol Holy fuck the plebbit exodus/influx of zoomers who are still normies who literally just heteronomously service flow for establishment metanarratives but still think they are #resisters ruined this place. Go back to plebbit.

>>49980830
Sadly for you this is not whatabout the UK or Russia. It is the fact no one wants roubles and the Russian shills on /biz/ are killing /biz/ and need to go. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

OOOH OOOOOHHH

AAAAAHHH AAHHHHHHH

>>49980811
When it applies it serves to punctuate emphasis when talking to people who generally give less than half of their attention to what they are reading as their default mode of being. It reals the conversation into reality for the zoomer attention span.

>>49980761
>Russian economy is suffering. Guess what: EVERYWHERE IS.
the inflation is russia is more than twice as high as in western countries, even though they have very low energy prices which is one of the main driving forces of inflation in the west. the russian central bank expects its economy to shrink significantly, while all western countries are expected to have small positive growth.
the young generation in russia will live a much worse life than their parents did and they already had some terrible times to live through. that's why everyone with a triple digit IQ has long left the country.

>>49980791

Cope

>>49980871
tl;dr

>>49980880
The original post you wrote this in reply to was literally shorter than the post you wrote, which said nothing but minimum word count gush, which I was replying to. Cope.

>>49980802
Are you really that dumb? You can read up on american foreign politics. There are many other ways of covertly coercing nations into cooperating. Flat out war is only used as a last resort. Holy fuck is /biz/ really this stupid?

>>49980840
Yeah everyone except brazil, china and india. Let‘s check whose economy is actually producing things. Pro tip: it‘s not americans or eurocucks

>>49980922
tl;dr

>>49980924
>dude look it up
>it's covert dude
>dude believe my schizo theories or ure dumb
typical /pol/ dimwit "arguments"

The NATO army is comparable to the Ukrainian one. Without Turkey, it is even weaker than the Ukrainian one.
I bet that many countries, such as Turkey, will send a fucking message about the request to fight against Russia
And because of this, even more countries will do it so that no one will fight for Lithuania against Russia

Putin is smart, and he knows it. That's why he's not afraid to do what he has to do. He OWNING NATO

Khokhols - denazified
Gayropa - pays for gas and oil
Sanctions - bypassed through parallel import
The ruble - is the strongest currency in the world
NATO - is bursting at the seams and has internal conflicts
China - saw how weak the West is, since it can't even beat Russia
The West - will starve to death in 7 months

You won't believe it, but yes, he's smart. Because he played the cards correctly and his decisions on the outcome were correct

>>49977890
shhhh let the retard and nazis gloat.

>>49980960
>yes goy! US foreign politics are not the reason amerifats are hated around the globe
> t-they just hate freedom silly goy
You literally need to read a book on us foreign politics. The dumb stuff you write is kind of outrageous given the fact that this information is freely available if you dont just rely on the first google page to deliver your world view.
Man, /biz/ is so fucking disappointing. I thought bear market was better

>>49980985
what book has the answer to my original question: what countries were pressured into joining nato?

>>49980951
Pic related. It's a picture of (You).

>>49980857
> which is one of the main driving forces of inflation in the west.
Le putin price hike! I too fucking love science, fellow glowie

>>49979065
Russia has one of the highest rates of aids in europe

>>49980988
>yes goy. Political leaders of pressued nations will of course instantly speak out publically about the pressure of us foreign agents to conform to their policy
Are you really that dense? What part of covert dont you understand? Do you also still believe in wmds and covid being dangerous?
You’re a literal golem kek

That’s when we are going to see nukes here and there, for the lulz.

>>49980857
The fed changed how they weigh inflation calculations twice in the past 4 months. By conventional metrics it is well around range of Russia. Which, again, global dollar shortage. Projections according to Biden and Powell are for modest growth (guess what not enough to sustain the financialized debt castle built on it) but even the (Cleveland) Fed's own data predicts a 2 year recession. Stop reading FOMC minutes like they are anything other than sentiment shaping strategies which the bond market literally always bets against in times of stress.

>>49980844
>FB_IMG_1653362906899.jpg

>>49981008
True but this is mostly due to a huge amount of IV drug usage, not dense pop gayness.

>>49980495
God how will they EVER recover without $800 Iphones. Truly Russia is doomed.

>>49981026
i accept your concession

>>49981060
>By conventional metrics it is well around range of Russia.
no it's not. it's certainly higher than ~8% but not even close to the russian number, which has also a lot of fuckery in its calculation. and in russia the inflation stems from direct shortage of important goods for households and the industry, which won't change in the short term. the western energy problems will start to resolve much sooner.

Its not though. Imagine my surprise when i found out that all of you aren't staking your whole suicide stack into a 200% apy wallet.
Wtf are you guys doing

>>49981091
It definitely is. It is in housing and automobiles especially and food. By shadowstats convention (originally how it was calculated in 80s) it is around 18%. How will household good shortages resolve faster than US energy? How are household goods anywhere near as important as affordable energy (they aren't)?

>>49980487
I don't really like Russians but personally I'm not willing to lower my quality of life to spite some poor alcoholics on the other side of the world. Also I don't really see the big deal about Ukraine other than some amerifat elite losing their little project country they overthrew back in 2014. I mean I highly doubt I could tell a russia from a Ukrainian anyway

>>49981127
Worth saying as energy dependence asserts itself food is skyrocketing and will continue to do so. It is happening the worst in emerging economies, which are already seeing food riots (Sri Lanka, Tajikistan, etc..) Everything goes back to reliance of energy. Energy to heat or cool your homes is secondary to energy to produce and transport food. Some countries can't even but oil on credit anymore. These are the early VC companies of the dotcom bust in equivalence to food in the world. As the global dollar shortage squeezes the only big refuge for nations is energy and commodities.

>>49981127
>shadowstats
unfortunately they don't publish the same numbers for russia, so we don't have any value to compare this to.
> How will household good shortages resolve faster than US energy?
i said the opposite: US (and european) energy problems will resolve much sooner than rebuilding the completely wrecked supply lines of russia. they import really a lot of stuff and so far most of it came from europe. yes, over time they can reestablish those supply lines using other sources in the east but this takes a lot of time, much more than rechanneling energy sources.

>>49981101
>Earning on a shitcoin 200% to lock your money up for 90 days
The level of people willing to fall for this is such that those committing it should be convicted of a hate crime on mentally deficient people. Completely serious.

>>49981168
>>49981168
I am merely stating the official metrics vs. the new standard used in the US. My bad on the reply, I meant to quote you and also to express the same sentiment through it. How would they repair faster than a depleting SPR and total lack of production? The demand for oil (esp. in the US) is SUBSTANTIALLY more important than household goods. Meanwhile Russia is a predominant producer of wheat, fertilizer precursors, oil, etc. Who cares if they in the shortterm have contracted demand for household goods? They are working on new trade agreements with BRICS nations and in the shortterm unfolding I don't see it playing how you said. My actual position is that the two countries and whole world basically are coordinating to manage the monetary shift and are not trying to power struggle but if I took the global circumstance at face value, respectfully, I don't see how your position makes sense.

>>49981225
>They are working on new trade agreements with BRICS nations and in the shortterm unfolding I don't see it playing how you said.
that's not as easy as it seems. a lot of technology in the industry so far depended on parts produced in the west, they often now have to replace large parts of the production line in order to make the process compatible with a system produced domestically or in china. their railway system is a good example for this. there is also a lot of medicine tech that just can't be replaced because countries outside the west don't even compete on these markets.
and oil/gas production is globally not at its limits, OPEC can easily increase output if the west manages to build the infrastructure to take it.

>>49981152
>I highly doubt I could tell a russia from a Ukrainian
It's funny how MSM never calls Zelensky by his name because his name is Vladimir, same as Putin lmao. The MSM fears the nooooticer
>inb4 ummm actually it's VOLODYMIR
Let's see his Soviet birth certificate, they didn't translate Russian names to Ukrainian back then

>>49977798
>RUSSIA WILL COLLAPSE IN TWO WEEKS
>THE RUSSIAN ARMY WILL OUT AMMUNITION AND GAS IN THREE WEEKS
Why is the MSM so insistent on pumping out these fake propaganda articles even as Ukraine obviously loses territory and more and more Ukrainian troops surrender. Seems very odd. Its like the people who control the media/government are all retarded and incompetent and don't want you to find out.

>>49981273
But again, this all sounds like a lot of not immediately pressing things which can easily be navigated and present growth opportunity in the next phase of deglobalization. OPEC may be able to but they show no sign of intending to and they have no reason to stifle oil price swelling (again, from a face-level perspective), particularly when they are more dependent on Russia to feed their people than the US, particularly when we are literally already seeing food riots and at Arab Spring level prices. I am not saying there would not be challenged, I am saying in the end, energy would win out unless the US reverted to producing or ramped up nuclear. And energy/commodities would be the winner as the dollar milkshake played out punctuated/interrupted by Zoltan Poszar's Breton Woods III playing out, which would devastate the west and everyone who wanted to feed their citizens (read: retain power) would play ball with the intermediate phase of bilateral trade agreements as the world pivots from the Eurodollar. The US would have all the resources it would need to be self-sustainable but would have to completely restructure itself. Euro countries would have no choice and would gladly play ball with Russia--they are already cracking. Energy and commodity prices would spike which every BRICS country is either a massive producer of or has large stores of which would send their respective GDPs to the moon and the new paradigm would leave the church eurodollar in the lurch both as prospect and through necessity (you can't not eat). Again, I don't think this is the plan and I think only certain parts of this will play out (and the bad parts of political struggle only superficially and starvation etc. only in as far as good outcomes can be optimized) but I am speaking in terms of the world circumstance at face value. I think we are seeing the monetary shift following what Jeff Snider calls "Eurodollar #4." A lot more than that, but financially, in huge part that.

>>49981370
That's fucking hilarious

>>49977798
>Ivan about to default
>will pay only in Ruble, don't trust dollars
>Mutts says no, dollarinos only

so, how will either one settle this if both of them can't trust each others currenncy?

>>49981461
If only there was some kind of a decentralized currency... I guess the tech just isn't there yet...

>>49980592
Russia is not an authoritarian communist shithole governed by our democratically elected god-emperor for 22 years straight, because it literally isn't, ok?

>>49980962
2 more weeks and the EU and NATO will disintegrate
t. Ivan

>>49981571
>>49980962
also
>2 two more weeks and Kiev is ours !

>>49980347
Your posts reeks of seething schizo rambling but you have good points there and also facts.
All that ukraine supporting virtue signalling on twitter is pure cringe as well as senate spending billions on ukraine yet refusing to lend Feeding America 400m support a year. Ukraine's propaganda is also pure cringe - combination of gorepoating and literal satan worship with lgbt subtext, it's like they took every worst thing that liberal democracy has to over.
Yet i still think that all that shit won't be beneficial to Russia in a long run. They went full retard.

>>49981559
There is a difference between a country which has double digit people living in starvation and work camps your family is sent to for trying to escape and Russia. If you can't see that I can't help you. More probably you are ideologically predetermined to not see this. And the communist shithole I mentioned was Venezuela, which economically is completely incomparable. It was a completely failed analogy and he hasn't made a single point this entire time but has gushed loudly and namecalled--which, is a hallmark of someone who has nothing of substance to say.

>>49981645
>There is a difference between a country which has double digit people living in starvation and work camps your family is sent to for trying to escape and Russia.
yes, goy. Only russia has work camps. US does not have literal slaves working for walmart and co in prisons and guantanamo doesnt exist since obama, ok? Stop asking these silly questions, gol- i mean, fellow citizen.

>>49981689
Reread what I wrote. You misread it. Lol

>>49981640
If the highest criticism someone can muster to something I said is the shape of the language enclosing the actual information expressed then I can feel fine about my expression. Some will let their ideology write off the information itself due to superficial rhetorical context, looking for literally any excuse to not have to be concrete. Happy you were not one of them. Seriously should feel good to not be among those that would.

>>49981559
>communist
Where is this buzzword even coming from? EU is more communist than Russia right now. Note how Germany is trying to nationalize Gazprom facilities while in Russia foreign businesses that leave the country are sold off rather than nationalized. McDonalds wasn't nationalized was it. Yeah someone here is acting like a communist that's for sure

>>49977890
>Oh sorry Goy we only accept America dollars for debt repayments.
>Commodities, Gold, Crypto? Oh goy you will need to convert those into real money first only American dollars?
>Goy I am sorry but we only accept American dollars if you cannot aquire American dollars by the loan payments due you will go inti default.
>Oh goy who is giving you financial advice? This is just sad goy. I have a cousin here is his card he is really good financial advisor he can help you goy.
>Thank you Mr Russia...
>Ah Mr China oh hahaha you joker no we do not accept Yuan. Hahaha trying to pull a fast one that you for your payment in American Dollars.

>>49981072
Simply not true. Russians fuck themselves in the ass in secret because of not you go to jail and have AIDS on top.

>>49980495
NOOOOOOOOOO not my heckerino STARBUCKS how could I ever run a country now without my pumpkin spice lattes?

>>49981152
>I don't really like Russians but personally I'm not willing to lower my quality of life to spite some poor alcoholics on the other side of the world.
A country that's use to living in poverty and squalor all of its life vs a country that throws a temper tantrum whenever they can't murder babies, worship black dick, their favorite candidate doesn't win the election, or get same day shipping for their 155mm "home defense" howitzer. I'm sure you'll blink first kek.

>>49981763
They have a heroin epidemic from Afghanistan. Shithole villages are littered with syringes. They have secret homos too I am sure but the abundant issue is a IV use crisis.

>>49981819
Yeah I'm sure the fetal alcohol ridden 80iq army that's taken how many months now to steamroll Ukraine will pose a great threat. Did typing that shit out make you feel tough or was it just to help you cope with your nigger tier standard of living, Ivan?

>>49979028
>Russia will get screwed hard the next time oil prices dump
when?

>>49978185
The US are the soviet commies. Putin is a messiah figure.

>>49981900
Russia isn't doing shock and awe like America in Iraq you brainlet. Also it's more like a 200k peacetime garrison takes over a country with a 1 million man army. Any new Ghost of Kiev stories Tyrone?

>>49980830
They're currently exporting EUR 500 million a month or so in gas to the EU. They've cut back a lot of their production but they have, to all intents and purposes, a glut of gas on their island which they currently can't use or store and they dont have enough pipelines to get all of it over to the Netherlands. Thats just a fact. Their fuel prices are high because the Government is stupid and wont cut the tax and because the oil companies think they can get away with it.

>>49980810
what a load of horseshit
can buy/sell usd if I want you stupid cunt

>>49982539
Like I said I don't give a single shit nugget about Ukraine. If it was up to me I'd end the sanctions tomorrow so we can get some blood back into the failing economy.
>muh shock and awe
Gb2 hoi4 fegit

>>49978204
I went to a bank and they forbidden me from paying my mortgage in pounds of potatoes instead of USD. So I defaulted. Fukin retards. It's their fault. lmao

>>49982955
he's referring to SWIFT sanctions

>>49983007
the biggest bank in russia is not under swift sanctions and thats not the reason for these default headlines

>>49977798
>>49977777

>>49979065
Kek you triggered the Langley shill bots
Here's your (You)

>>49979065
BASED kek

two more weeks

>1pbtid
>JIDF slide thread
God, I hate you beta incel virgin faggots so much you're all worthless subhuman craven dogshit losers feeding this faggot fucking thread kys unironically along with all kikes
>in all fields

>>49980324
This is the shittiest effort post I've seen on the Ukrainian crisis.
You aren't a glownigger. You're a redditor taking advantage of the lack of flags on this blue board.
Go back nigger nigger.

>>49977798
WE WON'T LET YOU GIVE US MONEY - WHAT NOW, CHUD?

>>49980487

>>49983382
> all russians are right wing /pol/acks bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wmheqzJSkQ

>>49983376
>slide thread
You know this is /biz/ right? The topic of this thread is global finance

Damn. So many retarded westoids here.
EU industry says the EU is deindustrializing in realtime under the strain of high energy prices and Russia's "default" is that Russia is not allowed to pay with its own EU/US funds that the west stole, and they are so nice as to pay in Rubles so they can honor their commitments, despite the west not honoring theirs.

The west has no morality, nor do 80% of westerners.

>>49983428
dont post my future wife

>>49977890
>>49977932
International trade is done on a credit swap system to make things easier. You buy/sell x product and it's exchanged for a debt in the seller currency (or USD), it roughly evens out as buying and selling goes on between countries but if you default you can't do this and have to relay on fax machine methods and shit which makes the process much more annoying - not impossible, but nobody is going to want to deal with fax machines when they can just trade with someone else.

>>49983040
>pay us
>oh btw we wont let you use the only account we will accept payments through

>>49979519
it prints commodities lmfao

>>49978185
This

>>49980839
>Lol Holy fuck the plebbit exodus/influx of zoomers who are still normies who literally just heteronomously service flow for establishment metanarratives but still think they are #resisters ruined this place. Go back to plebbit.
Okay, dropout.
Go back to school and get a better argument.

>>49980985
>Man, /biz/ is so fucking disappointing. I thought bear market was better
The worst type of people. This is the worst board to get investment advice.

>Russia is in Default! They won't last a week!
>dang it Russia if you dont pay then you'll be in default
>I swear Russia you're going to default
>Uggh! Jeez! I can't beleive your defaulting
>We will give you some time to fix this
>Why don't you take me seriously! Dont you realise you're in default?! Default! DEFAULT!
>Sorry for getting uppity - i-it's just that your'e in default
>Guys did you hear Russia will default any day now
>Guys its their last chance they're gonna default
>Okay we're gonna be negotiable, we'll give you more time
>Uh, hey Russia, do you mind if we t-talk about your default?
>We've absolutely had enough of your defaulting!!
>We're being fair. We're going to give you more time before we carry thru any penalties
>Look how nice we are: We will stop asking about the default
>That loan wasn't really used/useful. So this default is pretty much meaningless
>M-maybe someday Russia will pay us back. Just don't press the issue to much

Russia won.

Get over it mutt.

>>49978204
This. Nobody cares and in fact Russia gains from not being allowed to pay back the dollar denominated debt.

>>49983428
>dude check out this totally random person in Russia
>a young female with a nose ring living in a big city
Gee I wonder what her political stance is

>>49983428
/biz/ is one of those boards with a LOT of Russian spam cancer on it like /pol/, usually associated with Russians/Indians/Nigerians/communist Chinese/Venezuela/cuba/iran , generally the lower end of the income scale and with a disposition to live under authoritarian/dictatorships
>poor/obsessed with fags/trannies/lives in a dictatorship/obsessed with jews/not white/not Christian.
Its the worst thing about /biz/

>>49985625
>Nobody cares and in fact Russia gains
Russia gains nothing. Its central bank has to use capital controls to stop the Rouble crashing. Russia gains exactly nothing except being poorer. If you don't care why are you making up fantasies to try and pretend russia stronk when it is an economy that is dying in realtime?

>>49981645
freindly reminder russia has work camps
now fuck off, nigger

>>49978204
Yeah how exactly is a default if your lender refuses payment? And what does globohomo gain from this?

>>49983382
do you want me to take a pic for you?

>>49979028
Russia is profitable at $50 a barrel

>>49980198
or afghanistan or syria or vietnam or korea or cuba or venezuela or bolivia or nicaragua or chile or the congo or the philippines those were all cool though

>>49977798
they're not defaulting though, they're just paying the debts in their own currency, if the creditors are refusing to accept that, then it's their problem.

Default means inability to pay, that's not the case here.

>>49979028
>the next time oil prices dump
that is not going to happen until the sanctions go away

>>49977890
Yeah, they can pay in said commodities. Because Rubles are barely good enough to wipe your ass with.

>>49985625
Kek
Russia is gaining nothing from this. It's central bank is fucking up the entire economy to stop a ruble crash, and inflation is rising faster than any country in Europe.
They'll have a deep recession while the west has a moderate recession.

Reminder that the west is acting like America prior to the bombing of Pearl Harbour, only this time hydrogen bombs exist

when oil goes to 50bucks it's unironicallt over there will be 90's tier soviet collapse revolution as food lines piles up

>>49986906
Have you seriously not seen the Ruble/USD chart after the first week of the war?

>>49978185
russia is more capitalist than the US at this point
i'm tired of you retards who do zero thinking, just label whatever you dont like "commies"

>>49988102
he's not living in reality
he might even be a literal zog bot

>>49978204
This lel

>>49985625
>Russia gains from not being allowed to pay back the dollar denominated debt.
Doubt it, it will most likely impact the interest rate Russia will pay for lending money in the future.
There is also the prospect of seizing Russian assets abroad.

The only possible way Russia stands to "gain" from this, is that it can have a significant negative impact on the US and the dollar as a reserve currency.
If Russia defaults on dollar denominated debt, it can't trade international using dollars, the foreign reserve ($) is frozen.. surely other countries will try to limit their dollar usage, and if enough countries do so, the dollar will seize to be the worlds reserve currency and be more akin to the Euro or Yen in terms of abroad usage.

>>49988134
Seethe. Only good red is one that's dead. Commies are just mad they had to hide all their faggot ass hammer sickle merch they bought off amazon.

>>49987801
Never happening lmao

>>49978163
imagine having your iq

>>49983654
guess they're going back to fax machines or CIPS. No one needs the newest interoperable e-commerce shithole, but everyone needs fertilizer, petroleum, and wheat.

>>49980344
>2 more weeks and the virus will be gone trust the plan
>2 more weeks and trump will be impeached and in prison
>2 more weeks and dark winter will begin killing all the unvaxxed
>2 more weeks and you will finally be a woman
>2 more weeks and putins inflation will finally end
>2 more weeks and gas will finally lose 75% of its inflation cost
>2 more weeks and inflation of 9% yearly will finally go back to 2%
>2 more weeks and Jerome will finally stop inflation instead of rambling
>2 more weeks and liberals will control the country

>>49980324
larping glowbot

>>49981725
So are we going to intentionally blow up the shadow banks with a FFR at 10%?

>>49983428
>cattle ring
fitting

>>49988697
>>49988753
damn you guys are being paid extra to shit in this thread i see, keep it up, loving the (you)s

>>49977798
They've been running this story every 2 weeks since March

Look at the far left groomer >>49990007 getting horny over you's. Meh as far as I care their debt payment failure has no effect on me the same way it has little effect on Russians. The only ones throwing a hubbub over it are people like you trying to push your agenda on having to pay back fiat printed with no backing.

Not gonna fight your war for you. In the end Russia has better odds. It will have no effect on me.
>inflation
That's Jerome Powell the "inflate the problem away fed president" who caused it. Even a peasant could see the inflation coming.

t. 6x'd my networth in stocks since 2020 and just swing trade for a living while cashing out excess for assets

>>49981370
Quite unsual really. Seems they're more occupied trying to keep the cattle brainwashed. Lmao they really have nothing else they want to do but hold the grip on the cattle? Just a bit of research and the cattle, should they ignore the msm programming, would easily realize Russia is winning, Ukraine/US are likely up to some sketchy stuff with those labs in the Ukraine where they admitted something and then retracted it lmao.

Seems their control is collapsing for some unbeknownst reason.

>>49990456
You've done no such thing.

>>49990609
Believe what you want. 6x pales in comparison to anons who've 100x'd on crypto. So that brings up an important question, if this is impossible what are you doing here? No chance of getting rich means it's a waste of time coming on /biz/

new day new fake

>>49977798
How can anyone take mainstream media seriously?

>>49983382
>>49980979

>>49985798
>>49986923
>>49988241
I'm going to make this nice and simple. The American government and Western Europe are acting like a woman and anyone who doesn't understand this analogy is literally an incel.

>Woman thinks she is hot to trot
>She decides to be nice and let the man borrow $10
>She makes passive aggressive remarks and actions
>Man does his own thing
>Woman decides to abstain from sex and get all her friends to publicly berate the man
>She says she will no longer accept money from the man
>Man stops talking to her
>Man continues his life with his best bros
>He no longer has to pay back the remainder of the loan

>>49991594

That's exactly it. What are western sois going to do about it? Ban Putin's twitter account?

>>49985760
it's central topic is a worthless speculative get-rich-quick scheme that requires zero human capital with a rock-bottom barrier to entry who the fuck do you expect

EVERY board on this site should have country flags

The jews objectively lost the war to Putin imo and they also played the propaganda way too hard and crassly but imo theyll win via economics, which just makes their whole war effort more sad and wasteful

>>49977798
Two more weeks.

>>49986246
The idea is that lenders wont lend to russia if they know Russia is incapable of paying back for ant reason.
But the thing is that lenders can see that the reason is the US deliberately denying them a client so long as they use the petrodollar. In practice there will be a negotiation in which lenders consider the paths of least resistance in finding profits, and the us may not like the results.

>>49980418
cool story

>>49988697
epic picrel

>>49978208

/thread

>>49980755
1 million rubles is almost 19000 dollars

>>49991594
Hey dude, could you please stop posting these pictures of my wife? They're pretty cringe.

Thanks bro!

>>49980145
Putin literally seethes about Lenin every chance he gets, he is not communist.

>>49979065
absolutely based

>>49980762
>
>... i mean democratic intervention you fucking retard.
did this anon just reply to the voice in his head through text?

>>49980169
GDP counts social media influencers as economic activity

>>49980401
Literally Argentina proved why this shit DOES NOT WORK you incredibly dense motherfucker.

>>49980924
okay, go ahead and mention which countries were pressured into joining NATO and which countries are unhappy in NATO and wish to leave.

>>49981072
How the fuck is this any better?