/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>49966406
I mean that system doesn't even remotely work.

>>49966438
Why would it not work?
The only people affected negatively are those who horde properties.

>>49966406
Why do you hate family owned farms so much? Do you really think collectivism of agricultural land would work this time? It failed miserably in Russia and in China. They literally had famines that killed millions of people. Yet here you are trying to destroy family farms and turn everything into some crony corporate controlled nightmare.

>>49966438
Die parasite

>>49966476
Russia and china developed inyo global superpowers because of those policies

PATSOC PRIDE WORLDWIDE

>>49966467
No you see...it doesnt work uhmm uhmm because uhmm GOMMUNISM

>>49966476
Farms properties have a market value of like 5$ they wont be affected.

>>49966438
Fuck off land lord. Your judgement day will come sooner or later

>>49966467

well first thing i can think of its very easy to game. corps can own property too, so likely you will have a million corps under your name for each property. in the unlikely scenario you have a viable solution for this, i could still pay poors for their housing rights. a 10k check to someone who doesnt care to or cant own a house could save me a lot of money

>>49966467
They would use shell companies to split ownership of the houses

>>49966523
We provide financial rewards to any civilians or federal agents who catch companies or individuals doing this.

A bit like the FBI’s most wanted list where you get 100k for tip leading to arrest.

Also life sentences if found guilty.

>>49966406
First home should be tax free. Everything else normal tax. Kinda like how they don't tax water sales. Corporations aren't people and shouldn't be taxed because then you tax twice. Tax rates should be relatively low and flat under 10 percent. Anything more is communism. Communists should be rounded up by law enforcement and shot.

>>49966555

so i cant open a donut shop with more than a few locations? i cant open a donut shop, a garage, and nail salon? do you intend to break up every pre exsisting company?

the jump from a new tax to secret police seems a bit exagerrated

>>49966595
Not by buying residential properties no.

You can open as many shops as you like as long as you rent or purchase a property designated for business.

>>49966506
I hate communists like this so much. They are like bitch gfs who want to spend all your money and not fuck you. They are parasites and will try to convince you there is something wrong with capitalism because they might have to work... fuck communists. They can starve for all I care. Get a job.

>>49966406
Taxation is extortion
kys asap your shit is retarded

>>49966727
What the fuck are you talking about?

How does Blackrock not being able to horde residential properties that are meant for private citizens to own and live in = communism?

>>49966751
>Citizens paying 0 tax on their home is bad!!

>>49966406
too messy. we need to start sorting things out in minecraft.

>>49966766
Why are people so afraid of a company owning homes. Who cares? You can rent or buy it's quite simple. Blackrock isn't just going to "horde" them so nobody can use them. They are going to try to make money. If they succeed good for them. Tax them a normal amount. If they don't then they will go out of business. We don't need the government to tax the shit out of them in some misguided attempt to redistribute wealth. This should be obvious. Kys commie. Go and die.

>>49966751
You are free to move to Antarctica. There is a fee to be allowed to breathe on statist territories.
>muh I was born here
So? If a poorfag apartment renting deadbeat squirts out a brat, does the brat get a free pass because it was born there? No, it will need to pay rent just like its deadbeat parents.

>>49966870
>If they don't then they will go out of business.
please make it more obvious that you're a broccoli haired mulattoe between the ages of 16 and 24. remember those bailouts back in 2008? of course you don't. you were still being molested by your father back then.

>>49966870
>blackrock going out of business
lol, lmao

>>49966406
property shouldn't be taxed at all, get fucked retard

>>49966467
>be blackrock
>receive "99999999999999999999$" tax bill
>overthrow government for a low low price of $999,999,999
lmao absolute fucking retard, how is this thread even allowed to survive a whole hour? >>>/pol/

>>49966925
Hey I'm against bailouts too fuck face. We shouldn't be bailing these companies out. Let them fail. That's different than ruining the system by cranking the taxes all the way up. Communists are all the same... any excuse to fuck up capitalism.

>>49966990
The bailout and 8 trillion printed in 2020 fucked up "capitalism" more than any leftist policy in the past century

>>49966990
>muh gommunism
here's a crash course on how politics work under any form of government. people with money and power call the shots. the big jew banks that donate millions of dollars to PACs get blown up in a market downturn, they ask for bailouts and they get them. how you think things "should work" is irrelevant because you're a fucking half-nigger mulattoe retard who argues niggerbrained ideals that are in direct and observable contradiction with reality -- how things ACTUALLY work.

>>49966990
You are the one defending taxation of family homes.

And if you have to keep paying property tax on your home forever, you never really own it, but the government does.

Hence you are the COMMUNIST who wont allow private citizens to truely own their own home.

>>49967056
Cool story. Still doesn't refute the point that taxing corporations ungodly amounts will only make things worse. Kys commie.

>>49967023
Don't know what you're trying to say but bailouts are not capitalism I don't give a shit about left or right.

>>49967100
You have to tax somehow desu. I'd be ok with a system with no property tax though. But no I'm not against all taxes.

Also see
>>49966592

>>49967183
>Corporations aren't people and shouldn't be taxed because then you tax twice.

How are they getting taxed twice?

>Blackrock buys out all homes for sale in town.
>Pays 0% property tax on all of them

>>49966406
This picture is very comforting to me because I absolutely love flying. Even if I'm in coach and my fat ass is crammed next to a coughing Filipino woman that speaks no English, the ambiance of the endless blue sky, the clouds beneath me and the rolling green landscapes, blue waters or dusty deserts that I see from my window seat makes me feel tranquil to the max. I'll often listen to Billy Joel or Queen during takeoff while eat a warm soft pretzel I bought at a concession before boarding from my airport and just sink in the seat with a smile on my face, not even mad that I'm riding spirit airlines like a cheap whore. I love flying so much bros.

>>49966406
taxation is theft

>>49966406
look into land value tax

>>49967268
... if they don't pay taxes for the company then it's true they aren't being taxed twice. However it seems like your idea is to basically create some sort of progressive property tax system based on the number of properties a person or corporation owns which is retarded no offense. Blackrock is gay but taxing them into oblivion won't solve the problem. If you are saying that ultimately they should be taxed SOMETHING that's different than 99999999999. But if any person is paying more than 10 percent of income in taxes at the end of the day they are on the road to serfdom. That's where ideas like this take us. To communism.

>>49967573
Blackrock should not exist
Private family homes should not be speculative assets.

Stop touching children and the nuclear family

>>49966438
get a real job loser

taxation is theft

>>49966406
>RESIDENTIAL property tax
FTFY

>>49966523
> corps can own property too
Now they can't - poof, corporations are now forbidden from owning residential property. Easy peasy, it's just a law away. Oh they can't do that you say? After covid and the government deciding at which times I can get out of my home and how many people I can visit by imperial decree, fuck that. Fuck "the government can't do that". They can do that, they don't want to.

Own one house? No property tax.
Own two houses? Small property tax.
Own three houses? Big property tax.
Own four houses? Gigantic property tax.
And so on, exponentially. Problem solved.

>>49966534
>They would use shell companies to split ownership of the houses
Why do you think is this an argument?
They can be consolidated.

>>49966534
Best answer in the thread, although OP's proposal would still help individual families. But that's not the objective of government.

>>49966592
>Anything is communism

Fixed for you, dear lolbertarian economic imbecile.

>>49967597
Homes are assets. I'm assuming you are calling them speculative because of fluctuations in housing market. Honestly not that big of a deal. Most homeowners just ride out the waves and maybe get a good deal maybe get a bad deal on their exit or entrance. Families looking to buy a house should just rent until house prices drop then buy one cheap. If they are too stupid to do that then maybe homeownership isn't the best option for them.

>>49966925
Imagine if black rock fails. Keke. Boomers will be like
>noooooo
>muh net worth
They've already been planning for a bailout for years now

>>49966727
> I hate communists like this so much.
Lol
> wake up in MegaCorp residential complex
> eat MegaCorp Flakes for breakfast with MegaCorp Whole Organic Milk
> jump in your MegaCorp Mobile to go to work, using roads constructed by MegaCorp
> arrive at your wagie job at MegaCorp
> slave away at MegaCorp all day using MegaCorp made tools
> stop by at MegaCorpMart for your MegaCorp groceries
> maybe also stop by at McMegaCorp for a nice serving of goyslop - MegaBurger with OGM MegaCorp fries, tasty
> pay with MegaCorpCard, so convenient
> now back at MegaCorp residential complex
> consume MegaCorp made entertainment before going to sleep in your super confy MegaCorp bed
> repeat forever

Totally not communism though

>>49967631
"What's inflation" for $200 Alex

>>49967792
Dont forget:
>complain about rent increase from MegaCorp
>use MegaCorp datingapp on your MegaSmartphone for a MegaDate
>update your relationship status in MegaCorp social media
>sigh over the fact that MegaCorp bought all the property in your vicinity, meaning you have to rent from MegaCorp forever

We can go on and on.
But yeah, "cummunism bad, bruh".

>>49967763
You mean like >>49967792.
Typical commies can't even get your stories straight. Anything to bring down freedom and prosperity huh?

>>49967792
MegaBased

>>49967876
It's like if they don't have a literally hammer and sickle as their symbol then it's all fine and dandy

We're living in communism already

>>49967905
>Anything to bring down freedom and prosperity huh?

Which freedom and prosperity are you talking about?

>>49967792

>>49967905
>muh freedums
>muh prosperity
by this i assume you mean your right to act as a pincushion for jewish multinational corporations that want to enslave you.

>>49967905
> rampant inflation
> shortages
> government literally locking me in my home for 2 years
> can't say non approved shit or you go to jail
> literally have to slave away your life just to bring food on the table

Nice freedom and prosperity you got there pal
Unironically, real capitalism is what would fix this shitfest we've ended up with. We're just all living in communism with extra steps.

>>49967965
>>49967905
500 years ago you served one baron or king. you worked his lands and he provided for you. he couldn't easily replace you, so there was a very real limit to how hard he could work you or how many of you he could kill in a pointless war. today you work for 500 different jewish barons or kings, all of whom live in far away lands. they've never once seen you, they don't even view you as a person. these jewish barons and kings all have competing interests, they all want 100% of you. and if you can't provide that much, they don't care. they'll just import low IQ brown niggers to make up for it.

>>49967980
>real capitalism is what would fix this shitfest we've ended up with

So your "real capitalism" could magically fix the shortage of goods in the global market?

>>49966870
>Why are people so afraid of a company owning homes
Because society should be structured in such a way that the people of the nation can have good lives, not so a fucking Jewish megacorps can slowly accumulate all the wealth in society and enslave everyone.

>>49966406
Owning a house is exactly like paying rent except your landlord is the government

>>49968018
Let me stash the shitposting for a second and get serious

Literally all problems we are experiencing now are a problem with scale.
Problem is not which flavor of which system we want to apply. Problem is that the people that take the decisions are completely insulated from the consequences of their decisions. This has gone on for decades.
As you say, literal monarchy worked better than the shit we have cause the monarch had to somehow, even indirectly, suffer from the consequences of his actions. A shit king would have not lasted long.
Here we are, ruled by shit kings with an iron fist, living in lands far away in gated communities. Remove the scale, force the rulers to be faced with the consequences of their actions, and all problems go away.

>>49968041
Magically my ass and balls. This fucking retarded system we've ended up with is what created the problem in the first place. It's cheaper to import shit from goddamn vietnam than produce it locally, wow so cool we get cheap chinese garbage now, let's completely kill our manifacture cause that will definitely not have any repercussions on our societies right.
Oh ops now chinese garbage doesn't arrive anymore. Guess we'll starve.

>>49967980
Are you agreeing with me but trying to make it sound as edgy as possible? I mean yeah... the primary way US/western economies have failed is not actually being free and not actually being capitalists. I just like saying commies over and over because it triggers them.

>It should be basically 0% for an ordinary family that owns 1 ordinary residential property.
this is already nearly the case in my state

>>49968155
I guess we agree on that
I guess what we disagree on is that there is any difference between The State and your flavor of MegaCorp. Same thing different dress.
Darth Schwab said it himself, stakeholder capitalism, where big corp and the state merge officially. If we don't stop this (we won't cause 90% of people is completely retarded) that's where we're headed.

>>49968155
>not actually being capitalists

This whole thing about "not real capitalist" is not completely false. The world never experienced a capitalist nor communist utopia.

However, using the fails of capitalism as an

excuse to let capitalism reign even more is like a firefighter burning the whole house to prevent the fire from spreading from the kitchen to the living room.

>>49968018
So wouldn't a generally low tax rate and true capitalism be a solution for this problem? Seriously it's not that bad. Make money. Save money. Start a business or invest. If you are worried about le megacorps why not buy some shares of it?

>>49968237
>dude just be 70-80th percentile in everything you do
>even as baron shekelberg #583 petitions to import even more competition, which means you have to work even harder
>who cares if the old standard provided a good life for everyone, by virtue of their existence, provided that they put in an average amount of work
people like you were born to be jewish slaves.

>>49968237
> If you are worried about le megacorps why not buy some shares of it?
Cause that won't solve the problem, which is the complete lack of oversight and feedback. You still depend on megacorp for everything and megacorp can squash you like the little insignificant bug you are. You have zero leverage.
Also, we're so far gone that "buying megacorps shares" has so little significance that you could as well buy lottery tickets. The FED is the market maker now, you just basically bet on the winning horse, you have zero influence on which horse will actually win.

>>49968237
>>49968281
>bro just take a personal risk and invest what little money you do get (by virtue of jewish multinational corporation) back into jewish multinational corporation because it's the ONLY way to get ahead these days
>btw jewish multinational corporation is actively making your life worse in every regard that isn't share prices of jewish multinational corporation

>>49968288
>oversight and feedback
Shhhhh!!!
Oversight is communism!

If SOMETHING has to change, SOMETHING is allways communism.

>>49968281
How much did you lose?

>>49968345
Yeah well, what we have now is total oversight by them (the state/big corps) on you
If you don't call that communism I really don't know what communism is then

>>49968041
If we are defining "real capitalism" as government policy worldwide conforming to the ideals of free market determinism, then yes it could fix the shortage of goods in the global market. More importantly, the global shortage would never have occurred in the first place if governments worldwide preferred non-interventionist economic policies (i.e. lockdowns, trade wars, etc)

>It should be very small for an ordinary vacation home.

Fuck off. Holiday homes are worse than just buying a second home to parasite.

>>49968381
kek. yeah, it's not like natural disasters fucked up the jewish supply chain every few years. remember when floods in taiwan drove up the price of hard drives for years?
>oy vey let's outsource all of the world's manufacturing to this one reason because it's cheaper

Just have a (1) goddamn flat tax the more you complicate things trying to get "justice" the harder you fuck the middle class and the easier it is for whales to escape.
Pic related is an AI generated portrait of what my flat tax bros and I look like.

>>49966978
>retard

The Jewish shills always use this word. It’s the worst slur their bosses haven’t banned them from using.

>>49968320
I know the markets are down but... how much are you incel commies losing to be this salty?

>>49966406
It's a good idea in theory but as a lot of others have pointed out, it's easily gamed just by putting ownership in another person's name or company. Better off just banning renting out family/suburban homes altogether. Let them play Monopoly with commercial buildings.

>>49966438
kys parasite

>>49968378
>I really don't know what communism
Yes, faggot. You actually dont know what communism, thank you for pointing that out.

>>49966406
Progressive tax for the "rich" who make 150k per annum. No need to tax those with 20+ real estate those are not the rich for the purpose of taxation

>>49968381
>government policy worldwide conforming to the ideals of free market determinism
So a world government that lets the market do whatever it wants...?

How would this fix e.g. this example: >>49968439

>>49968442
That's quite a chadly face anon.

>>49966406
Property tax is pure theft. If I own land I own it. Now go fuck yourself communist cunt

>>49966406
>Property tax
Why do normies believe that government stealing money, done "correctly", will solve problems?

Government created these societal issues in the first place, making it richer solves nothing.

>>49968439
What's your proposed solution to "natural disaster induced supply chain issues" then? And what does that have to do with the global inflation we are experiencing now, which is clearly orders of magnitude worse as the result of interventionist policies, not natural disaster?

Also I fail to mention that when the hard drive shortage hit, the slack in production was picked up by other countries who now had the opportunity to fill the gap in the market, i.e. india, thailand, indonesia, vietnam. They did, and as a result hard drive prices returned to in trend levels - that is to say, low and going lower, within a few years. That's how free markets work - take in information, economic actors adjust their expectations on what is +EV, and the market itself adjusts as a result. The shortage created opportunity for the market to become more robust vs natural disaster affecting any one nation, so it did - no government intervention required.

Fuck commies. You can't have my property. Idc how you twist it. Come and take it.

>>49967980
Finally
> this is not a real capitalism
Guy

>>49968597
a centrally planned economy where government representatives make conscious and strategic decisions and are held personally accountable (being voted out, execution, etc.) for those decisions which act to safeguard the production and reserves of essentials like semiconductors, medicine, housing, food, energy, etc. semiconductors have formed the foundation of modern civilization for the better part of five decades. our classically capitalist cope was to drive down costs by outsourcing it all to second world chink countries where wage arbitrage allows us to come out ahead. in doing do we made a grave error which concentrates semiconductor manufacturing in 1) a relatively small geographic region where natural disasters are not uncommon 2) a relatively small geographic region which shares borders with our greatest competitor/enemy.
>muh INVISIBLE HANDS rejection of accountability
>muh NOT A REAL FORM OF CAPITALISM

>>49968815
I'll take my chances with the megacorps thanks. This is the type of idea that sounds good but wouldn't work. The reality is corporations can be replaced or circumvented way easier than governments. Are you saying you are going to wait 2 to 4 years for a solution to address supply chain shortages (elections) or just shop someplace else. The invisible hand works and gibs good handjobs. Joe Biden? Not so much.

>>49966523
the fictional legal status of corporations and trusts are based in fraud and antithetical to common law

I recently got a job in property management. Company doesn't own buildings but it sells management as a service to owners of condo units and buildings. Almost none of the rents are what I'd consider "affordable" (though I prefer a very low overhead, "cheap" is twice my monthly rent) but man... These motherfuckers be paying people left and right. Anyone who really hates landlords for having "too much money" ought to start a business offering services to them, because folks are breaking off big-fat-chunks of that pile of too-much money every single day. My political sympathies are pretty left-leaning by nature, but fuck, man... I think this might just be the Circle of Life.

>>49968919
>. This is the type of idea that sounds good but wouldn't work.

dumb take. planning works. you see it at any large company, especially those that are publicly traded. i work in corporate finance at a very large corporation. i do p&l forecasting all the time. it fails at nation/state level because there are too many competing interests and infighting between market participants that rewards "quick and dirty" strategies for a quick buck, like outsourcing or cutting corners. there is also an overall lack of accountability for aggregate output especially at it applies to forming/executing long-term strategies that may not be "profitable" but are necessary for national security. you see this in contemporary goyslop. obesity rate is through the roof but shekelberg food company is happy to pump HFCS into your hamburger patties because it simultaneously pads margins and generates repeat sales. (also shekelberg food company has a minority interest in several businesses that manufacture insulin.)

>>49968815
>government representatives make conscious and strategic decisions and are held personally accountable (being voted out, execution, etc.) for those decisions which act to safeguard the production and reserves of essentials like semiconductors, medicine, housing, food, energy, etc
Sounds reasonable, however just like the free market ideal, it cannot exist in reality without conflicting interests reducing its effectiveness (i.e. corruption, incompetency). The effectiveness of an interventionist system assumes:
1) government representatives are competent and non-corruptible
2) the means of holding government representatives personally accountable cannot be corrupted
3) the people who are voting for the government representatives are not corruptible and are competent enough to understand who are the "competent/non-corruptible" people to vote for
4) the government itself (representatives collectively) will be competent and remain incorruptible

As a counterpoint to myself, free market ideal cannot exist in reality without government intervention because governments, as some of the largest market participants, have a great deal of influence in the allocation of capital. They want to secure cheap resources and labor because it increases capital efficiency, enhancing productivity, and thus enhancing their influence and power.

>>49968526
Then what it is you goddamn monkey? Same as we have today but the people at the top call themselves Soviets instead? Thought so

Georgism solves this.

>>49968718
It is not capitalism at all, sorry. They're just calling it that, so lolbertarian retards don't complain

>>49969078
Like I said I'll take my chances with the invisible hand. I'm not saying there shouldn't be some planning and regulation. But if you ever listen to elected representatives in the US speak for any length of time you'll understand where I'm coming from. People make better choices at the store with money than they do at the voting booth. You seem to dislike outsourcing and you think centralized planning will protect nations from making mistakes but governments make mistakes all the time. How is this any better? It's not. It will be less efficient because the people making the decisions will be there because they won a popularity contest and the power structure will not recolve around creating profits (i.e. providing goods and services, being efficient). If there is a person or people or ai capable of sorting through all the complexities of the economy and finding the best path forward they would be better off in a corporation generating profits than in a political office generating approval ratings. Anyway I'm tired of arguing with commies I'm going to bed. If it makes you feel better your the least stupid commie I've seen on this thread. Congrats.

>>49969183
>Then what it is you goddamn monkey?
More than I am willing to explain to you.

Maybe listen to this bloke or someone else who explain this for years in great details in easily understandable words you also might be able t understand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpKsygbNLT4

Now go back to "yutub bad go tu reddit faggit".

>>49969299
>People make better choices at the store with money than they do at the voting booth

Is this really so?
Then why do companies need marketing?

Also:
>being efficient
But is the US really efficient right now? Or stems this position more from a prejudice, that the state somehow is not able to do it better?
After all, any company has a central planning, the bigger they get the more they plan. Any company I worked for had plans for two, three or even five years ahead. Central planning in every direction of the is done in every possible direction of the value chain.

You seem to agree that the current situation is in dire need of improvement. Which is why I have a hard time to understand why you so easily throw any alternative under the bus, when the alternatives are already there.

>>49966727
Can you go back to neoliberal or conservative r*ddit already?

>>49967283
Comfy

>>49966406
I think the government should incentivise the use of the land for business by reducing the land tax for the place being used for commercial purposes, obviously you’d need to have a watertight plan in place to stop people from pretending landlording is a commercial enterprise, as it provides nil value to the economy

>>49970254
>3 posts by this ID
c'mon, man.

>>49967980
>when you’re so painfully middle class you don’t realise you’re bitching about literally nothing hard in life just angry at literally life happening.

Go outside and talk to people in the real world besides your lolbertarian discord

>>49966501
>russia and china had to steal capitalist grain patents to grow crops and one still ended up bankrupt

>>49967148
bailouts are capitalism
you can buy votes
we need chainlink

>>49966467
The answer. Right there. In the question.

>>49969299
>extremely, gargoyoliirically based
>high IQ post

>>49966467
landlords would probably just charge higher rent. better solution is to remove zoning restrictions so high rise buildings can be constructed

>>49966766
Somehow it's been framed that a tax cut is communism if people with multiple properties still have to pay the tax