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Love it. Big tobacco lobbyists making Biden even more unpopular. They’re also reducing the max amount of nicotine per cig so degens will have to smoke more. Top fucking kek

e-cigs are only "less harmful" because they only sometimes explode in your mouth instead of never like normal cigarettes

>>49904165
salt nic is dangerous as fuck and some devices are worse than others.

salt nic isn't regular vape juice it's billion times stronger, and if you hit it the wrong way, too many times, or hold your hit too long; you'll have a fucking heart attack.

i've no joke had shooting chest pain from this shit before (immediatly after taking a hit, multiple times) after i switched to these for a couple of months. it felt like i was having a fucking heart attack.

i quit and the problem never occurred again. i use snus now

>>49904225
Yes and also gamer chairs sometimes explode up your butt, I've seen a picture on the internet so it must be as dangerous as lung cancer.

>>49904225
Buying cheap chinese knockoffs is your prerogative as an informed consumer

>>49904272
>chinese knockoffs
e-cigs were invented by a chink

>>49904165
>Make an innovative new product that is less harmful than traditional cigarettes
And pushed teenage nicotine use to its highest rate in thirty years.

>>49904165
>less harmful than traditional cigarettes
Not if people who did not smoke start to smoke because of it.

e-cigs are not safe, and the average age of the traditional cigarette smoker is over 50. It was just a matter of time until smoke became as popular as riding horses...

Christ why the fuck do they have to control literally everything we do, if I want to kill myself it's my prerogative. It's not like nicotine or e-cigs makes you act like a violent addled degenerate like alcohol or other drugs, it's literally just a stress relief.

>>49904262
Pussy

420 vape it faggot. Catch me blowing fat clouds bro

>>49904305
Who fucking cares what's safe you faggot jew, stay out of my fucking life bitch.

I feel like they only want you using ((their)) product, the cig comoanirs and cig taxes is fucking rape 10$ for a pack of 20 cigs.

They cant tax vapes because everyone can just order it overseas and tobaccoless nicotine isnt subject to the same taxes.

>>49904165
>caring what happens to Juuls
SHEEEESH this AINT bussin bussin fr fr no cap senpai

>>49904165
Juul is owned by a cigarette company though

reminder that nicotine is an aromatase inhibitor

>>49904516
>cope from addicted niggers
if you cant control your impulses you are no diferent than a female

>>49904165
>Make innovative but harmful and addictive product
>Advertise it to children
>Get banned
Yeah terrible

>>49904563
So your response is to have a bunch of illegitimate beaurocrat kikes control it for us? You're the one that sounds like a woman. I don't need or want someone to control or tell me what I can or can't do.

>>49904627
Just ban everything addictive or harmful to kids then like tranny pills, soda, video games, candy etc fucking idiot.

>>49904563
>t. low T nicotinelet

>>49904659
>>49904692
why so angry anon
take a smoke break

>We need to ban nicotine because it's harmful
>Also we need to ban non harmful alternatives because it's addictive
>But caffeine, sugar, and alcohol are fine
Only one of these things increases testosterone, makes you think yes?

>>49904692
did you know there are trannies in video games

>>49904692
None of the things you listed are harmful when used in moderation (i.e. not in massive excess). Soda, candy and video games are mildly addictive, but potential for addition without harm is not a problem. Juul is not being banned just because it's addictive, but because it's addictive, harmful AND is marketed to children. If some company managed to get FDA approval to sell adderall without prescription and they started to market it to children via targeted ads, would you be okay with that? I think no substance should be "illegal", but selling or marketing some stuff to children absolutely should be banned because children are retarded and can't be held responsible for their retarded decisions.

>>49904840
Juul is nowhere near as deleterious towards your health as junk food and being obese and there's no study done to prove otherwise. I also fail to see how they're marketing to children unless 'flavors' is your only evidence for that which is just reaching as if adults don't have taste buds and would rather vape something that has flavor to it vs straight nicotine. It's just overreaching to an egregious degree and at some point parents or the pajeets at the gas station need to be held responsible for making sure kids can't get access to stuff that is only legally able to be sold to adults 18-21 already.

Buy your own nicotine juice and mod your own vapes. Don't buy into the cloud/douche stuff and you can afford a lifetime supply for a few hundred bucks.

>>49905083
I don't use Juul but this is obviously the first step to a blanket ban on everything including analogs and soon the ATF will be raiding you for making your own juice and trying to buy the shit on the black market. There's no justification for this ban in the first place.

>>49904840
>FDA approval to sell adderall without prescription and they started to market it to children
Well, they market it to their parents, who believe it and give it to their 13 year old kids for YEARS. Do you know how many minors are getting Adderall these days? They may not be marketing it directly to the kids, but they are their target, so the parents are just as retarded as their kids.

I am from Germany and the marketing of tobacco products is completely illegal. (except inside a gas station)


>I think no substance should be "illegal",
I agree with that, look at Portugal for example. Drugs like cocaine, heroin.... are not completely legal, but they are decriminalized in small amounts (like cannabis in the Netherlands (decriminalized != legal).

Just look at Prohibition in the US and its consequences, they will probably never learn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

>>49905200
The problem with your American system is that companies develop, market and sell their products without regard to the consequences.

The product will be banned one day, and they may have to pay a small fine.

Yet they have already developed 10 almost equivalent products (that are not banned by law) to sell it.

>>49904627
>think of le chilluns daddy government please help and ban everything I dont like

Kys

Legalize heroin!!!! I want to grow my own papavaris somniferum and make my own organic opium.

These fucking dem faggots won’t even allow me to morning coffee and juul before wagecucking anymore

>>49904717
Kek

>>49905292
I also lived in switzerland for 6 months and there are places where they do not sell drugs but give people the opportunity to consume under safe conditions without arresting them, which reduces the violence on the streets. Austria has a similar system.

In Germany, for example, it is illegal to possess and sell drugs, but consumption is perfectly legal.

Ultimately, there is no perfect solution, but it seems that the most decisive solution is the worst, at least in the U.S., and this is indeed a lobbying problem.
The phrama industry doesn't make its money off of healthy people, they just have to be healthy enough to go to work.

Based. Fucking hate the soibois that use these things and vapes. Just smoke real tobacco you fucking queers!

>Less harmful
>People breathing in who knows what chemical shit the companies have ordered cheaply from China

e-cigs are less harmful only if they're regulated and the juices are produced in a civilized country.
Not to mention the barrier of entry for e-cigs is nonexistent. If anything we're going to now see more smokers than ever as they switch to normal cigs.

>>49904262
You don't have any tolerance for nicotine, do you? Thanks to salt nic I stopped smoking 2 packs of cigs a day.

>>49904272
What, don't you want a genuine KRTJXCY e-cigarette from Amazon? It's got 4.5/5 stars! :^)

>>49904516
KEK doesn't matter because ERECTILE DISFUNCTION due to cigarettes.

>>49904165
i dont get why smoking is even a problem

>just stop smoking
its literally that easy, i tried smoking during uni because i thought it was cool and every break/summer i went home to parents i just stopped coz i didnt wanna get caught. ez.

never smoked since

>>49907065
*to clarify: during termtime i smoked daily about 3 times (so a pack a week)

>>49904165
Is Biden trying to become the least popular president in history? Oh wait he already is

Luis J Gomez fuming^tm

>>49904165
Cigarette lobbyists owns Juul, retard.

>>49904165
I don't give a shit about politics anymore, now any time a new policy is implemented I just ask "how can I profit from this?" I will probably buy up the Juul pods at my local stores and resell them them later at a markup price (in minecraft of course).

>>49904165
The operative issue is that we really have no independant scientific basis for anything anymore. All studies done in any field are bought and paid for by people expecting to find a certain result. Returning scientifically accurate or verifiable data that contradicts your employer will quickly find you out of a job.

More than that though, we have no standard metrics for how to judge these things in the first place, so its really easy for competing lobbies to throw dirt on any problem just by looking at it from a different perspective. Take the one in OP for example. What exactly does 'less harmful' mean?

>Less harmful to the lungs, the teeth, the skin, the whole body?
>Less harmful in the short term? Less harmful in the long term?
>Are you only talking about the damage done by the smoking of cigarettes or are you going to include the damage that comes from it being an electronic device? Overcharging, fires, battery failure, etc.?

...And so on. Any given company can shoot this argument down by simply pointing out that anything is more dangerous than cigarettes in some way and just being obtuse about it.

>Swimming in the ocean is more dangerous than cigarettes because cigarettes cause less shark attacks
>Driving in a car is more dangerous than cigarettes because less people died of lung cancer than in car crashes (in 2017)
>Juul is more dangerous than cigarettes because the danger of one of them blowing up from a shitty chinese battery is above 0.0001%, and the chances of a cigarette blowing up from same is exactly 0%

You can see the problem. If you want impartial science of any kind you're going to have to vote to fund panels or universities of independant scientists employed or subsidized by the tax dollars of the citizenry, and even then they'll just find results that drag out the grants and tax money instead of anything objective. But at least they won't be paid to find a specific result.

smoke a crispy crunchy peanut buttery Backwoods

ayyyy

I'm just so tired of the fda. I would literally take a zero regulation pharma market over what we have now

>>49904339
Because your a low T city water drinking fluoride brain zombie that won't blow up a federal building or take out a politician like a real man

>>49907323
One should not exclude the other.
The FDA should regulate some drugs "as a service," which doesn't mean you shouldn't have the freedom to buy something else.

>>49904165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-XH92Wie0U

I was on 35 mg/ml salt nic for 4 months then went to 5 mg/ml nonsalt nic and tried my buddies salt after a while and that shit hit hard. Tryna quit all together but its hard bros

>>49904292
Nope

>>49904339
I'm an alcoholic that is drunk right now and I think you need to chill the fuck out

>>49904339
Because Mr. Shekelberg needs in good condition wagies to slave for him. Lung cancer or other lung diseases will put you out of work.

>>49908154
Better figure out how to quit soon because it's looking like they're gonna ban all nicotine. You'll be paying 5-10x the current over inflated prices for them once that happens. So many people are probably going to go bankrupt or just kill themselves.

>>49904270
thank god i have a herman Miller instead of a gaming chair.

>>49904225
just don't buy aliexpress batteries you retard

>>49904262
Almost exact same thing here. Quit smoking pack a day for salt nic (started with vuse), and after about 6 months really fucked my lungs (more than before I guess). Too easy to vape 110% of the time so did it way more than smoke. Son told me he wished I'd quite vaping, so I did and immediately went back to cigs...felt better after about a week.

Only Zyns for me now though

>>49904165
>>49904206
Cigarettes were dying anyway because it's such a boomer thing to do. Plus, it fucks up all your electronics with the smoke leaving ashes everywhere.

>>49908224
Bad food and obesity is more deadly then smoking. The average fatass dies of diabetes or heart attacks at like 37 years old. The average smoker dies at 60-70,
Yet fast food and soda is cheap, plentiful and encouraged

>>49908878
Only the biggest white trash smoke cigarettes inside their house...

>>49908272
>ban all nicotine
Assuming this does happen, won't indian reservations be exempt? I'll still be able to drive out to tribal land and load up on cheap cartons, right? American Spirits are made by indians so they won't be affected by federal laws, right?

>>49904165
Here is the real reason why """vaping is suddenly deemed dangerous and ONLY IN THE USA"""

>In September 2019, vaping-related lung illness cases also doubled in Maryland where Fort Detrick lab is located, adding to the suspicion of Fort Detrick. This is especially because the lab stores some of the deadliest viruses in the world, including Ebola, smallpox, SARS, MERS and the novel coronavirus.

>Chinese scientists found that 16 EVALI patients were involved in viral infections, which indicates that they could have had COVID-19. Five of the cases were determined as "moderately suspicious." The 16 EVALI patients were all from the US, and in 12 patients symptoms started before 2020.

>An article published on the Lancet said that the overlap of similar clinical features, use of vaping products, and probable SARS-CoV-2 exposure make distinguishing the differential diagnosis of EVALI from MIS-C challenging in both children and adults, particularly when MIS-C presents with respiratory symptoms.

>Second, in June, a reporter from the Washington Post close to the US intelligence department wrote that the US Congress suspected that the Wuhan Military World Games in 2019 was the time when the COVID-19 began to spread, because some athletes from Western countries who returned from the military games said that they had "gotten sick with COVID-19-like symptoms" and requested that Wuhan be investigated.

>However, if the COVID-19 patients were misdiagnosed as the mysterious vaping-related lung disease, could it be that the US athletes transmitted the COVID-19 to athletes from other countries at the Wuhan games?
Based on the above situation and doubts, it is reasonable to suspect that the US is connected to the COVID-19 pandemic

>>49909654
>The US attempted to link the origins of the virus with China and even Asian countries as a group, which has triggered rising anti-Asian sentiments in the US and other Western countries. Asians are facing discrimination, oppression and even physical abuse, experts noted.

>The US has also been suppressing scientists who do not conform to its narrative. Some scientists were even verbally assaulted. Some media have compared such behaviors of the US with acts of terrorism, Zhao Lijian, spokesperson of Chinese Foreign Ministry, said at a Thursday's media briefing.

>Zhao on Friday urged the US to take four steps on COVID-19 origins tracing if it wants to show transparency, including disclosing data on early COVID-19 cases, inviting the World Health Organization (WHO) to probe Fort Detrick, the University of North Carolina, and the team of Ralph S Baric, particularly, and publishing data on sick soldiers who attended the Wuhan Military World Games in October 2019.

>Zhao urged the US to disclose data on early cases, including the unexplained respiratory disease in Virginia, vaping-related lung disease in Wisconsin in July 2019 and flu patients in the winter of 2019.

>"The US should conduct nucleic acid testing and antibody tests on serum samples of these patients to find out how many of them were actually COVID-19 patients," Zhao said.

>>49904225
juul is gay but most e-cig flavors are clearly less harmful than cigarettes

here's an easily-reproduceable experiment that should tell you almost everything you need to know; hold a lit cigarette up close to something clean (a plate, your hand, whatever; keep the ember away), and let the cigarette smoke run against its surface for 30 seconds
next, smell the object; notice both how horrendous the smell is, and that the surface of the object is now dirty
that's going into your lungs
do the same with vapor from almost any vape, and the same effect is practically not there

this is because the combustion of assorted organic materials generally produces more random (read: unwanted, very likely bad for you) by-products that readily cling to other surfaces than non-combustion vaporizing devices
almost any vape, when used as intended, doesn't do this; neither vegetable glycerin nor propylene glycol break down in considerable amounts when heated to ~200C for the split-second they need to be for vaporization, and they make up the majority of almost any e-liquid
they do decompose, slightly, but the resulting toxins are barely present—far less than what's inhaled smoking a cigarette

this said, while it's good general practice to not suck back the smoke from something burning, life is short and you should do what you feel like doing when you feel like doing it, until you don't feel like doing it anymore
within reason of anyone else's expense, obviously

>>49904304
nicotine is hardly the problem; it's pretty benign as far as stimulants go, but it's an easy target because it's the thing that almost everyone thinks kills you and gets you addicted, when it comes to smoking
like anything else, it can be misused, but it just doesn't live up to its poor image
making a habit of inhaling combustion residuals is gonna be much worse for you compared to whatever brief high a few daily doses of nicotine gives you

Juul is pure kikery. Their nicotine salts formulation contains the equivalent of 50mg of nicotine in their vape cartridges. That is more than most brands of cigarettes, making their vapes extremely addictive.

Normal vape juice is max dosage of 24mg nicotine. That is the recommended quitting smoking dosage for people trying to give up the cancer sticks. Those douchebags with the giant vape clouds are using much lower dosages of nicotine, in their vape juice.

Vaping is generally good harm reduction for smokers, but Juul is just evil, and should have been banned.

>>49911265
Can confirm, you instantly feel a Juul hit like it's a crack pipe, as a non-smoker. I smoked, then dipped and ended up being a big cloudy vape faggot, the only thing that compares to the nicotine hit of the Juul is when you have a whole bottom gummer horseshoe going

>>49904165
But Juul is owned by big tobacco

>>49904262
Are you me

>>49907042
I already have ED from porn addiction