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>>49887261
ukraine will win because fascist pigs like putin and all the incels on this site are always destined to lose

>>49887301
No way. Site is full of Hitler lovers just like Kyiv.

>>49887372
>hitler lovers in kyiv

where? what sense would it make for zelensky to love hitler?

>>49887405
retard lol

>>49887261
Putin will advance on Kiev and Zelenzsky will sign some bullshit surrender which essentially means Ukraine becomes a puppet state and leaves the country.

Putin can not accept Ukraine without his own puppet in charge. If he leaves them sovereign then a couple years down the line it would have patriot missile defence, ballistic missiles capable of hitting russia and a deep fucking grudge.
>Will Europe bring back Russian gas even if the war ends with a favorable outcome for Russia?
It never went away.
>Will Russia permanently shift to the east?
No, if Russia tries to cut off trade with EU Biden will almost certainly secondary sanction them to shit and China doesn't want to be part of a cold war.
>are western sanctions going to continue for at least another generation?
Maybe, but I think it's more likely there will be regime change in Russia. With Russia going full globohomo.

>>49887261
The market will eventually fuck itself up by sheer force of will just like it did every time it crashed

>>49887498
>With Russia going full globohomo.
fully this, i think this is putin's last regimen frens

>>49887498
>regime change in Russia. With Russia going full globohomo
why?

>>49887261

See the river that bisects the country.
East side goes to Russia, west side stay Ukraine.

>>49887948
I think that, considering the massive amount of propaganda the russian have been fed, we will see a drastic change in the next ellections, mark my words

>>49887498
>It never went away.
they just restricted volumes on the Nord Stream 1, it's going away as we speak
>No, if Russia tries to cut off trade with EU Biden will almost certainly secondary sanction them to shit
you mean sanction ruskies or chinks? if former then he already sanctioned them and it seems to do jack fucking shit and if it's the latter then you are delusional

>>49887405
Where?

>>49888018
Secondary sanctions work a little bit differently.

Secondary sanctions basically go "trade with them, no trade with us".

>>49887948
>why?
Regime change in Russia, because they'll get sick of isolation. The billionaires kids want to jetset, the smarter Russians want access to an international market with something else than writing malware, etc.

Full globohomo because it's the fastest way to get rid of sanctions, together with pulling out of Ukraine and Crimea. Pride parades in Moscow, woooh see we're nothing like the old regime, you can forgive us now. Value signalling for the liberal crowd.

>>49888077
>western media becomes based after February 24th
I see nothing wrong with this

>>49888077
I hope Putin kills every single one of these fucking nazis

It will end in a glorious Russian victory against globohomo

>>49888189
so you really think they're gonna sanction china:
>https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/russian-oil-exports-china-soar-120952950.html
>STORY: Russia became China's biggest supplier of oil in May.
>Crude oil imports from there soared 55% from a year before to a record level.
>It means Moscow has now retaken the top spot from Saudi Arabia as the top supplier to its eastern neighbor.
and india:
>https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/energy/oil-gas/india-buys-18-of-all-russia-crude-exports/articleshow/92189499.cms
>Indian refiners bought 18% of all the crude Russia exported in May, up from 1% before the Ukraine invasion, with Reliance Industries Jamnagar refinery sourcing 27% of its needs from there, a Helsinki-based research agency has said.
kek good luck with that, i'm sure it will work when it didn't against an economy 1/10th the size of those two

>>49888392
you'll be in the gas chambers before that happens rusnigger

>>49888412
I'm canadian, idiot

>>49887997
>Russia
>Elections where people have anything to say.

lol, lmao

>>49887261
daily reminder that the last big bullrun was inspired by memecoins impulsed by ryoshi himself
do not let these retarded war-loving nazis get you away from the truth

>>49888401
Based Trad Russi-ACK

>>49888428
no matter, i'll rake you myself

>>49888411
>so you really think they're gonna sanction china:
If Putin cuts off natural gas shipments to Europe, I think Biden will probably secondary sanction Russian natural gas (not oil, to avoid too much impact on oil prices).

China will chose not to trade natural gas with Russia, so no need to sanction them.

>>49887261
Most probable outcomes:
1- War continues for 5 years or more and/or never fully end.
2- War spread out of Ukr and becomes a true WW3 (it is already to some extend)
3- Putin dies or something forces a big change and concessions are made
Captcha: wwwys

>>49888472
>If Putin cuts off natural gas shipments to Europe
>If
dude he already did, gas rationing is on the table and germany is forced to return to burning coal
>China will chose not to trade natural gas with Russia
why would they choose not? they know US will not sanction them as that would be economical suicide especially in this shit economy

>>49887261
This is just the beginning of a much larger conflict. Once Nato militarizes Europe it will start a chain reaction. You'll most likely be dead before the end of the war. Or you'll be too preoccupied with survival to know that it has ended.

I am Ukranian currently living in Russia. Ask me anything.

>>49889098
If the war goes on long enough, will Ukraine run out of men, loosing 200 a day? T/f

>>49888716
>dude he already did
Except he didn't. He's playing chicken with a small bit of the shipments, trying to get more than some irrelevant gyppos to break rank without pushing into full cold war with Russia/US.

Russia really doesn't want secondary sanctions either.

>>49887498
We can just capture the most resource rich parts in Ukraine. You can have what is left and give them gibs

>>49889138
>Except he didn't
>https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-russia-cut-gas-supplies-europe-7982615/
>Russia last week reduced gas supplies to five European Union (EU) countries, including Germany, the biggest economy of the bloc that is heavily dependent on Moscow’s gas to generate electricity and power industry.
>Russian state-owned energy giant Gazprom has cut supplies through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline running under the Baltic Sea from Russia to Germany — Europe’s major natural gas pipeline — by 60%. Italy is seeing its supply cut by half. Austria, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia too have seen supply cuts.
>This comes on top of gas shutoffs to Poland, Bulgaria, Denmark, Finland, France, and the Netherlands in recent weeks. Those shutoffs were initially seen as less of a problem because Poland, for instance, was already phasing out Russian gas by the end of the year, while others had alternative supplies.
>The latest cutbacks, however, hit countries that are major economies and use lots of Russian natural gas. Germany relies on Russia for 35% of its gas imports; Italy for 40%. Right now, gas supplies are enough for current needs.
it's going to be a cold winter in the EU
>Russia really doesn't want secondary sanctions either.
nobody wants to be sanctioned but US sanctions are not some sort of economic nuke and apparently relevant economies don't need to be that afraid of them.

>>49887261
>Can Ukraine even win?
Yes, but only if west will keep sending weapons.

>What is Russia's end goal at the current time?
That's the main question - nobody knows. First goal was to occupy all of Ukraine. You saw how it went.

>Will Ukraine eventually make concessions?
Never. It is death for Ukraine as country and death for president for treason.

>Will Europe bring back Russian gas even if the war ends with a favorable outcome for Russia?
Depends on eurocucks.

>Will Russia permanently shift to the east? are western sanctions going to continue for at least another generation?
Depends on outcome of war, possible regime change. I personally don't know.

>Is this war going to drag on for another 10 years?
No. Russia is not that strong like it seems to be. Citizens are pushed to it's limits by corruption, failing economy, prices, deficits(we currently have no new cars). Society is generally old enough - average age is 40 y.o.. There are many braindeads who support the war, but if you ask them "Would you personally go to war?" or "Would you send your husband/son to war" - the answer is no.
War cannot drag for another 10 years. But it could start over again if more crazy warmonger comes to power.


>>49889124
It can run out of experienced soldiers.

It will be ((over)) and the hysteria will die down in the media by September. Markets will start picking up by next spring. Prices and stranglehold of the public remain the same.
Mission complete.
Prepare for the next current thing.

>>49889210

How come Russia is already extremely rich in resources but it's a shithole?

Baltic states have no resources but are paradises compared to Russia.

Retrieve all United States aid and comfort from Ukraine. Stop your war at Russia. If you are a regime, and if you supply aid and comfort in Ukraine then you war Russia. If you are a regime, and if you war Russia then you are not justice warriors. If you retrieve all United States aid, and comfort, from Ukraine then you forfeit war at Russia. You are a regime. Forfeit war at Russia. Retrieve all United States aid, and comfort, from Ukraine. If you are not a regime then publicly declare free for all in both law and also order. If you do not publicly declare free for all in both law, and also order, then expect commensurate justice application within the United States. Rebellion.
I may even rebel against United States regime. United States time slip years off committments. Government employees see masses using wrong dates, and government employees cooperate the wrong date. In time slips, jailed, imprisoned, and probationed endure extra punishment and correction. Punished and corrected are not brought back to court for resentencing nor time served reassement. Release jailed, imprisoned, and probationed at America. I am on probation. Respect me. In time slips, millions dollars disappear out of bank deposits and charity donations. Terrors, tragedies, and failures entail United States is regime or else United States lacks credibility in justice. United States is a regime, and United States lacks just war at Russia.
If you continue assuming United States is not a regime then United States must publicly declare both law, and also order, impossible in our too chaotic world. If both law, and also order, are impossible in our too chaotic world then justice requires strength. Russia is obviously, logically, absolved in exclusive question to Eastern Ukraine for joining Russian Federation.

>>49889210
They would not become an official part of anything, they would just happen to get a metric fuckton of weapons for fuck all and gibs. Until they get drunk one day and decide to use them all. Not fucking our fault. They're not EU, they're not NATO.

This is why Putin will not stop until he can install a puppet, to prevent that from happening.

Russia must be destroyed

>>49887948
People are exhausted and morally destroyed by Putin's regime and many want only stable and peaceful life. So even if they don't like globohomo, but it would bring peace and some level of prosperity - they will eat it.

Current Putin's regime not that better than globohomo. Maybe more sinister. 4chan and alt-right idiots believed in propaganda, that Putin is savior of white race and traditional family where in fact - not.

>>49889365
It's actually a common phenomena for natural resource rich states to be highly corrupt. Google Resource Curse.

>>49889210
Wow, we have a person from 18th century.

>>49887261
John Mersheimer believes the war is likely to continue for a very long time and that it will possibly expand in scope as the stakes are too high for both the Russians and the NATO forces. He is uncertain fo what Russias goals are as they have likely changed from where they were four months ago but believes that Russia's goals are still primarily to trash the country to make it a burdensome for the west if it were to become a member of the EU and NATO. A possible goal he sees is the breaking off of the Russian ethno-linguistic regions to the east and possible along the black sea area. He sees the belief that he wants to recreate greater Russia as highly unlikely and that he is acting according to what he told NATO and EU leaders at the Bucharest in 2008 that Ukraine is a redline and Russia will act to secure its national interests in Ukraine if the west proceeds to make it a member of NATO and EU. Other thinkers like Zeihan think that he is going for greater Russia and that he is acting according to the geopolitical necessity Russia has always had and will continue to push to secure the geopolitical weakspots Russia has in Europe as their demographics are going down the gurgler an this is the last generation that Russia can act as a military power anyway. Both analysis still see that Russia and the West view defeat as not an option and that the nuclear threshold may be crossed.

>>49889539

The US and Canada are not doing that bad while having huge resources. Even Arabs are able to ensure a better standard of living to their citizens while having huge resources.

when all ruzzians are dead and they feed the worms

>>49887301
>>49887372
>>49887405
>/k/, /chug/ and /leftypol/ trying to deduce who is the real fascist-nazi-hitlerite

>>49887261
It won't end until Ukraine loses Kiev because Ukraine is managed from Washington and Washington's objective isn't to save Ukraine, it's to weaken Russia. Ukrainians will only snap out of their goyim state when they lose Kiev, that's when they put enough pressure on their government to end the war. And yes it is up to Kiev, Russia can't end this war whenever it feels like, not unless Putin is willing to lose all the gains. So I expect it to end next year

>>49887261
Russia will win the war with annexed Crimea, LDNR and referendums in Kherson and Zaporzhie oblasts on their status inside or outside Ukraine and most important thing Ukraine will be neutral.
Europe will keep buying gas and other resources and sanctions will be lifted step by step.
The end of the war will start an optimistic bull run, the last bull run before the true crash.

>>49889879
Impossible because winning the war requires Kiev to surrender. They're not going to surrender after this. If Russia just stops and declares victory, Kiev will keep accumulating foreign weapons and shelling those conquered cities. That's not an end to war, that just a pause

>>49889365
>Have rich resources.
>The elites hoard all the profits for themself.

Simple as that really, russians are so used to being miserable that the majority just accepts it and or drink themself to another plane of existance.

>>49889879
thats some bullshit
putin is going all in
they recently put up billboards all over my city with military propaganda, he is not gonna back down
in fact bydlo will see it as a treason and lynch him if he does

>>49889970
>all in
>no military draft
If he goes all in you're not going to like it. He never goes all in despite the rhetoric, this war would've happened in 2014 if he did.

>>49890154
>no military draft
>youth been drafted in april
retard

>>49887261
Total market meltdown annihilation and famines in the west, while Russia might experience acute problems with infrastructure and possible minor famines. Russia and NATO are going to war possibly after the west launches an attack on Belarus, Kaliningrad and Transnistria. Russia is mobilizing rn btw.

I thought it had already ended. We have a very short arc, the moneypox arc and now I don't really know what arc are we in.

I don't even know if I have an arc.

>>49890170
They're not being sent to war. If they were you'd be too scared to go outside right now out of fear of being grabbed and sent to your death. I don't think you are. Here's the part where you nitpick some case of a random guy being sent to war but I repeat until YOU are scared to go outside, Putin didn't go all in yet.

>>49889915
Germany, Italy and France are already pressuring Ukraine to surrender. We'll see how much pressure can they exert before winter.
Ukrainian politicians won't surrender, I agree, but how much can Ukrainians themselves endure. We've seen soldiers a few weeks back refusing orders (in Severodonetsk). Also, Kiev might surrender if Ukraine is given something to compensate, we've seen talks about EU candidate status. I don't think Ukraine will be fast-tracked, but those 3 might help Ukraine if it gives in.
>>49889970
>all in
You mean occupying Ukraine? That's impossible in the age of nstionalism and AKs. We've seen that even the US can't occupy countries properly - Iraq and Afghanistan and those were not helped by anyone meaningful.

I do think that Ukraine will become a federal state. With this, I must correct myself before. I think referendums will be held in every oblast.
If you mean mobilization with all in. Russia is faring good enough with just shelling everything that moves and it's not like RF will run out of ammo.

My ending note: the other war, evenly important, is the economic one which seems Russia is winning for now.

>>49890386
>That's impossible
it is but putin is retarded and cornered himself
>it's not like RF will run out of ammo.
it already did, no more smart missles
this shit won't end in 10 years, you can count on that, its russian vietnam
>>49890343
>They're not being sent to war
they will send them in august when they are done with basic training, duma already trying to pass a law that will allow putin to send conscripts into war zones and foriegn countries

>>49889098
якщo ти нe iз мнoю, тoдi ти мiй вopoг

>>49890440
>it is but putin is retarded and cornered himself
West tried to corner Russia, but even now it is hardly cornered - most of Asia is with Russia. Also, Putin is the most powerful man, but Russia attacked not him. Most elites support the war and support the intervention as they announced they would in 2008.
>ran out of ammunition
Wdym? What smart missiles? We see Kalibrs fired daily and we see constant artillery shelling in Donbas.

>>49890521
>West tried to corner Russia
stop with this shit please
>We see Kalibrs fired daily
russia ran out of those in may, dude

>>49890567
>stop with this shit please
Are you saying they didn't? My bad, it was not the West, it was the US.
>russia ran out of those in may, dude
That's why we see them fired on a daily basis, because they ran out of them. Kek

>>49890587
>Are you saying they didn't?
>lose cold war
>lose your puppet states
>your puppet states flock to NATO
>want a rematch
>think you're capable
>do crimea
>hey that worked maybe i can do more
>instigate shit in ukraine for 8 years
>pretend its nato's fault and shill this point of view
>get assfucked in ukraine trying to prove russia strong memes are true
>That's why we see them fired on a daily basis
Can you back up your claims cause factory producing those been put on halt in april cause there are no electronics to put in those rockets anymore.

Russia will keep those eastern provinces they want but by the time an agreement is signed the Ukrainian population will be greatly diminished from death famine and emigration. That's when zelensky will welcome back all the Ukrainian Jews who were allowed to leave the country before the draft was introduced (look it up). In the ensuing chaos a lot of Israelis will settle there too claiming to be Ukrainians returning home. Ukraine will become Great Israel because the Jews are starting to realise it was a stupid move to settle in the middle of a desert with no fresh water and food insecurity.

>>49890567
Russia made it clear in 2008 that inviting Georgia and Ukraine into NATO was a red line for its national security. At the same meeting, Putin said he would take crimea and the eastern states if Ukraine was to join NATO. That Ukraine was a redline for Russia was a unilateral belief held by Russian politicians, that means Putins liberal opposition at the time. From 2008 both France and Germany had agreed that it was foolish to push Russia too much on this line, but all multilateral organisations are run by the powerful, as the EU is run by Germany and France, so too is NATO run by the US, and the US wanted to push Russia. Why? because they estimated Russia was too weak in 1990 and too weak in 2004 when NATO expanded.

It looks like even with all the western support Ukraines going to break soon. They're having trouble with conscription and the guys aren't volunteering to walk into the meat grinder anymore

The entire east is pretty much gone and then they will take Odessa next

One thing is for sure, as long as there's conflict Ukraine will never join NATO or the EU so Russia will do anything it can to prolong this war

>>49890659
> Russia made it clear
Did anyone ask Russia? Russia keeps pretending its a global power when its a fucking 3rd world shithole that got crushed over a fucking Ukraine. Everyone in NATO knew how bad russian military is but they kept instigating fear to sell their weaponry and expand.

>>49890699
>muh nato the best amurica numba one
kek, so how many more weeks till moscow falls?

>>49890463
I moved out to Russia when I was 9 y.o.

Russia is likely going to have a partial victory as they're going to get a treaty at a minimum ceding Crimea and Donestk/Luhansk. Ukraine does not have enough men for giant theater-wide offenses to push the Russians out, and Russia will neither voluntarily leave nor accept a treaty where they cannot on some reasonable level claim victory. At the same time, Russia's military doesn't have the manpower or equipment to fight through every major city and occupy all of Ukraine. At best they might be able to concentrate towards Odessa and landlock Ukraine.

I have no idea what the fuck is going through the minds of people thinking Ukraine isn't going to lose territory in this war.

>>49890633
Convenient of you to start the Ukraine crisis with Crimea, why is that? Why didn't you start with Euromaidan?
>lose Cold war
>decide that there is no point in bloodshed
>let Germany reunite
>NATO secretary says that "NATO will not expand an inch eastwards"
>you try to join NATO twice, politely get told to fuck off
>NATO expand twice, you protest
>2008 comes
>in Bucharest US says Ukraine and Georgia will join NATO
>you protest, even France and Germany say that's too much and those two shouldn't be touched
>come 2013/2014
>US supports a violent overthrow of the president of Ukraine
>you intervene
Here Kalibrs:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-struck-kharkiv-tank-repair-plant-with-iskander-missiles-2022-06-19/
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3506080-six-russian-kalibr-missile-carriers-deployed-in-black-sea.html

Now send me one of Kalibr plants shutting down.

>>49890860
>Why didn't you start with Euromaidan?
>your puppet states flock to NATO
fuck off putinbot

>>49890699
For a country not being a global power it sure gives headaches to the US.

>>49890880
>no argument
>insults

So what are the chances of this turning into a forever war?

>>49887261
As a Russian and former vatnick I'm disappointed in seeing RT propaganda being repeated here. I would recommend reading the following to remove the brain bug infesting your minds.

disinformation ion mihai pacepa
sealed train by michael pearson

Do not believe putins lies, many Russian citizens my family included hate the embarrassment he has made of my home land.

>>49888401
>>49889386
>>49890774
>>49890883
Пидap

>>49890909
ofc a putinbot can't see arguments
why the fuck am i even argueing with retard mokey like you is the question here

>>49890934
What arguments did you present?
Link me the Kalibr article.

>>49890929
>As a Russian and former vatnick
don't make me check your early life section

>>49890950
russian guided missles can't hit shit which means they aren't all that guided anymore, literally ballistics and prayer that it will hit something, you're free to find articles and video evidence on that yourself, theres plenty on recources that are not blocked in russia ;)

I thought this was /pol for a moment. It seems business and politics are highly interrelated :P

>>49890934
>everyone that disagrees with me is a bot
>you're also retarded even though I'm the one seethe posting with the literacy of a 7 year old

>>49891043
>changes topic
Send me an article that claims Russia stopped producing Kalibrs.
https://files.catbox.moe/hv322a.mp4

>>49887261
West will win within a year.
Question is if they then mobilise to invade Russia.
Russias showing was extremely weak, and theres a lot of anti-Russia propaganda going on.
I could see an invasion within the decade.

>>49891043
>>49890934
>>49890880
>>49890699
You are a moron, the Kalibr missile is indigenous to Russia and was developed under the Soviet Union. It entered service in 1994, and there are no foreign components in it. The same for the Iskander missile which is an evolved OTR-23. You hear worse tho, arguments get sillier when claims are brought up that Uralvagonzavod can no longer produce tanks because of the shortage of foreign components.. tanks that have been built since the 70's by the very same manufacturer, and which has been licensed to other countries like india to be built overseas.

>>49889879
>Ukraine will be neutral
Nah.

No deal made at the end of the barrel of a gun has any real standing. Ukraine will just be treated by the west as an occupied territory if it isn't sovereign. If it's sovereign it would build up militarily and be a danger to Russian interests, so that's not an option.

Ukraine will be defacto occupied after Putin wins, no one is going to pretend otherwise.

>>49891203
>Russias showing was extremely weak
according to western propaganda, meanwhile they seem to be slowly gaining ground despite ukies being propped up by billions of dollars worth of weapons and supplies
>I could see an invasion within the decade.
you know they have enough nukes to wipe out life on earth a couple times over right?

>>49891303
>according to western propaganda
Im aware of that, however no matter how you put it this was a poor showing.
Even if they pull a 180 and win decisively now the victory took far too long and was overall an extremely poor showing.

>>49888401
Absolutely. It is up to us in the weat to listen to this clarion call and turn on our regimes. Nationalism will win big.

>>49887994
West side stays poland and that small landlocked part with kiev ukraine

>>49891271
>Ukraine will be defacto occupied after Putin wins, no one is going to pretend otherwise.
We all understand Putin wants to impose his will

The whole point of this war is to answer this one question: will Putin be able to do so?

Reminder that Ukraine is "cheating" by importing western weapons and support. They would have lost already if they were fighting alone.

>>49891271
The one with Finlands neutrality was made at the end of a barrel. Although, I agree that's hard to maintain.

I think Ukraine will be neutral militarily or wrecked completely. Russian occupation would be too hard to maintain, IMO, and the west would just funnel weapons to guerrillas there.

I think Ukraine in the EU sometime in the future and not in NATO would be acceptable for Russia and Ukraine could swallow that even for territorial losses.

>>49889539
>Resource Curse
So... Africa?

>>49891320
>they're loosing because they're not winning quickly enough
c'mon bro

>>49887498
America has lost all of its soft power. We can't even do regime change in Venezuela. Russia is its own power bloc now, multipolarity is here (one world order is over).

>>49891624
which is better
winning in 20 days or winning in 5 months with numurous objectives removed and several important losses (no matter how you spin it losing warships is bad)

Im not some cocksucking westoid, I wish Russia had a stronger showing, a balance of powers is important, and no doubt are there valid reasons for their invasion. but this was piss poor no matter how you spin it

>>49891649
>winning in 20 days or winning in 5 months
it's war where both sides have relatively modern equipment and comparable numbers so losses and setback are inevitable
>but this was piss poor no matter how you spin it
notice how the western media message has changed - up to recently it was
>hurrah ghost of kiev and snake island
>no losses while ruskies are decimated
>nothing short of total victory will do
>the sanctions are safe and effective, two more weeks and its ogre for putin
and now it's
>poor ukraine is outnumbered and out gunned
>heavy losses, gotta send couple of billions worth of guns more
>ukraine may have to give up some of its territory
>the economy is falling apart and its all putins fault ;_;
>Im not some cocksucking westoid, I wish Russia had a stronger showing
and I'm not a fan of russia but fucking with them now of all times was a grave mistake and we'll all pay the price

>>49889365
google "resource curse" and then google "dutch disease" and you'll have your answers

>>49888392
I can't wait for all you reddit children to fuck off from this site.

>>49890699
Russia was invited to the Bucharest summit in 2008 when NATO membership was first discussed. So yes, as a member at the summit Russias opinion was asked. So yes, the west put Russia into a corner and it was aware of what Russias thoughts were for fifteen years. Yes Russia is a declining country but it is a nuclear powered country, after the convoy to Kiev fell apart because the army did not have the logistics for food and fuel it is an indicator that Russia is not a peer power to NATO as it was thought of, this asymmetry increases the risk of use of nuclear weapons.

>>49889584
Mersheimer and his "realist" buddy Kissenger are retarded hacks. They've made careers out of making up bullshit. Bullshit that gets people killed.

A week or two ago Putin was captured on video comparing himself to Peter the Great. He talked about how Peter the Great annexed new land for Russia even though the rest of Europe recognized that land as belonging to Sweden, and then explicitly compared this historical episode to his invasion of Ukraine, and compared himself to Peter the Great.

I'm so tired of Mersheimer's bullshit, "oh we can't possibly know what Putin's goals are, but it's definitely not neo-imperialism even though Putin is comparing himself to Peter the Great, maybe Russia will go nuclear, maybe they won't, idk lol stay tuned and keep clicking on my blog"

>>49891986
Mersheimer claims that Putin's intentions can be known because as a realist he holds that in international relations leaders rarely lie, including Putin. They do lie to their own populace like all leaders.

>>49891986
>Bullshit that gets people killed.
Not to fanboy Meirsheimer, but his views throughout the years would have saved many lives. Kissinger, on the other hand, destroyed many.
>Peter the Great
Yes, you occupy lands in wars and force your enemy into conceding them, that's how it works. I'm sure that Sweden didn't get those lands peacefully.

The land annexed was Estonia and the future Sankt Petersburg and confirmed in a peace treaty singed by Sweden. Estonia naturally wasn't a part of Russia, but the areas around Neva certainly were and these are the territories Putin is referring to. He is also saying this as propaganda towards Russians - we fight Ukraine to protect Russians. Leaders lie to their people all the time, but rarely to each other.

I hate to see that RT has caused irreversible brain rot not just to my country man but to foreigner's. Don't not believe putin's lies he is more of a servant to jew than any of your leaders combined.

>>49892206
Either Putin is retarded and truly believes NATO is an offensive threat to him. Or Putin is a nationalist who wants all neighbouring with major russophone population to be puppet states, because he fancies himself a reuniter of the Russian empire just as he says.

If he's retarded then at some point he will remember Baltics are still next to Russia. If he's a nationalist he already realizes there's a large Russophone population in the Baltics. Either way, appeasement is not really an option. The Baltics are next.

>>49892341
Faggotry is illegal in Russia
>meanwhile in Ukraine and its western allies

>>49892642

is it ? well that's some news to them

I don't want to give a fuck about neither Ukraine nor Russia pls just stop the fighting so we can resume bullrun

>>49892528
He might be a nationalist, but he doesn't have the resources to go through with that plan so I reject that idea as not realistic - it's not happening anytime soon. Even I would like that my country is strong and that the lands where my nationality lives would be inside my country. I am also sure that many of out politicians would also like that, doesn't mean they will do that since they don't have the means to do so.

I think he views NATO as a threat and rightfully so. If it wasn't for NATO(US) rejection of the idea of Russia in NATO and the constant push eastwards I think Russia wouldn't think much of NATO. I think NATO actions in Libya didn't help the situation at all and cemented the idea that the US/West(I use this term u rightfully since it is not one entity, but I got tired of writing NATO) is not to be trusted. Don't get me wrong, I think most of eastern Europe is in NATO because they are scared historically of Russia, but Ukrainians(the people) up until 2014 were rejective of the idea. If we are willing to look at the history of the rest of eastern Europe as being afraid of Russia, surely we can see it from the Russian historical perspective - since the time of the Mongols most life threatening invasions came from the west and the last two were made up from most of continental Europe - France and Germany.

Baltics already went in NATO when Russia couldn't do anything and nothing will happen to them now. Compared to Ukraine, Baltics are not rich in population, the land there is full of forests which can be easily defended.
Having Ukraine in NATO opens an another potential front in the flatlands , gives NATO even more resources. Ukrainians steppes were historically ravaged by various passing peoples/armies since they are easily traversed. For example: the last two major offensives when Germany had the initiative were in the south - Case Blue and Operation Citadel.

>>49892800
Low iq nigger detected

>>49892850
Vatnik seethe