/biz/ - Business & Finance

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Cmom, literally no one has some serious analysis on the topic? I thought this is a place for economic discussion, but it appears the only things you talk about is getting scammed by ponzi-coins.

Moex is raped. What more to say?

>>49866851
I asked a similar question and got no replies, OP. Thing is: very few people know what's really going on behind the fog of war. And those people usually don't post on a chinese cartoon image board and probably have NDAs by globo homo megacorps.

You cant predict economy for a wotld 3rd class country.

>>49866851
We don't know the real situation so we can't have a realistic prognosis. On thing is certain: everything is manipulated and the real situation is worse than the official.

>>49866851
Russia is pivoting towards the East, and the East is where the gravity center of the world is shifting towards. Russia had alot of commercial relations with thee West, but the West is decaying and growing increasingly irrelevant. In some decades the West will no longer even be the west, it will be shitskin central. Russia is doing the correct thing by pivoting towards the new world instead of going down with the old world. It will cause some short term issues, but long term it might be one of the best strategic decisions done by the Russian nation. Just the fact that globohomo corporations/ngos stopped, on their own, their operations in Russia is a invaluable asset to the Russian soul.
I think the actions that the West is taking against Russia is the equivalent to a scorned women towards her former lover. Irrational, emotional, self harming, attention seeking...

If you're serious about understanding Russian markets and economy anon I recommend reading Bill Browder - Red Notice

>>49866851
Eastern finn here.

Border crossings have dropped by 90% from pre-covid.

The russians that still visit load up butter, cheese and meat products and have "kilogrannies" with them as they can only bring 2kg of foodstuff per person and having extra personnel lets them to buy more food products.

Some rental apartments now have SUVs with russian plates in front of them, so I assume these are people that worked for western companies and are now living in Finland "just in case".

Some RT viewing vatniks at my wives workplace (hospital) still spout out how the special military intervention was justified. These people would already be laid off unless the healthcare sector was not already running understaffed ( around 10% of nurses did not agree on taking mandatory vaxx are still laid off or working some other job).

Feel free to ama as I am waging (browse biz 7hours out of 8 hour shift).

>>49867448
Bill Browder is a notorious glowie that hates the current Russian political status quo.

>>49867456
Hello based Finn. How happy are you seeing Vatniks squirm and struggle?

>>49867233
it's impossible to tell because russia decided at the outset of this war to just start making up numbers and doing manipulative shit like preventing people buying or selling RUB. As you said, there's no hard data outside Russia because it's all laced with propaganda
what we know is that being under a trade embargo when you previously were connected to the world economy is generally not great, and not having buyers for your products is also not great. They also decided to fuck over all of their high-skilled population overnight who relied to a large degree on western companies either being their employer or requiring their services, like in their IT sector. Russia can't just be a petrostate like middle eastern shitholes whilst also not being able to sell to europe/US.

>>49866851
Russia has all the resources, a decent industry and army, and great relations with China, that has a strong economy.
Meanwhile the EU has little resources and its leaders are shutting down the industry and all energy except hamster wheels.
You do the math.

>>49867499
Are you living in Russia?

>>49866851
Putin prepared the economy for a long war.

The sanctions since 2014 really fucked the economy big time. So while the US and eurodollar fueled west were building up the biggest multi asset economic bubble of all time, Russia was stagnating along at a more natural rate of growth for a country with a decaying population.

There are certain areas like aerospace and medical tech where Russia is well and truly fucked. But the reality is while the urban areas are relatively well developed compared to any third world shithole, the economy in general is not, it's mostly dependent on primary goods, oil, gas, minerals, and grains all of which are only in increasing demand as the entire world goes to shit so Russia? Its going to be all right

>>49867503
>Russia can't just be a petrostate like middle eastern shitholes whilst also not being able to sell to europe/US.
They can sell to Asia, like they are doing now. India is slurping the cheap oil. Europe is the one that cannot live without Russian energy
>it's impossible to tell because russia decided at the outset of this war to just start making up numbers and doing manipulative shit like preventing people buying or selling RUB.
Westerners are also prevented from buying or selling ruble. Seems like cope to me

>>49867437
>I think the actions that the West is taking against Russia is the equivalent to a scorned women towards her former lover. Irrational, emotional, self harming, attention seeking...

Don't confuse the standing of EU politicians and their leftist stooges with that of the pop. Most citizens didn't want to break relations with Russia.

Russia is becoming an Asiatic vassal state, just like old times.

>>49867456
>Some RT viewing vatniks at my wives workplace (hospital) still spout out how the special military intervention was justified.

It was, NATO was placing serious military hardware at the Russian-Ukr border and many, both west and east, told them that was a bad idea.

Russia is going to be fine. Pivoting towards the east is already paying off dividends.
The west is ruled by incompetent pedophiles. It's on its way out. Deindustrialisation and the ceaseless importation of niggers is going to crush it fairly soon.
Russia has loads of resources that it can now sell at a discount and make more money than it did previously due to the massive price increase on the global market. I know it has its problems, the standard of living, from the outside at least, looks dismal, but, if at any point, the Russian Federation decides to lower taxes by a lot and scrap regulation, I foresee a western brain drain, where the best and most capable people in the west would just move there, since the west punishes productivity and hard work to favor the aforementioned niggers and other corrosive elements of society (single mothers, drug addicts, degenerates, etc).
I really hope either Russia or some (probably Eastern) country stops this hyperregulated, gay policy of control. Whoever does that, will have more to gain than it can possibly imagine. A lot of good people are looking for a way out.

>>49867551
>Most citizens didn't want to break relations with Russia.
polls show otherwise, most Europeans now hate/dislike Russia. Most Europeans are just cattle who will follow whatever tv tells them to. Which is why i disagree with you that the people is somehow to be separated from our EU governments.

>>49867625
>if at any point, the Russian Federation decides to lower taxes by a lot and scrap regulation, I foresee a western brain drain, where the best and most capable people in the west would just move there
maximum kek, fucking delusional vatniks

>>49867501
You should be more worried about the EU, from what I hear, ordinary germans can barely afford food.

>>49867630
The polls also say that a third of the german population doesn't think the war is Russia's fault.

>>49867677
Trust me, no. I've just so happened to visit Munich in the recent 2 weeks and I can safely say that krauts have it as good as ever. Eastern euro prices with Western euro wages. Only rent is higher obviously.

>>49867741
>I've just so happened to visit Munich
Munich is one of the, if not the richest city by median income in Germany you retard. That's like visiting a nice neighborhood in SF and saying poverty isn't ripping social fabric into pieces kek. What a dumb post

>>49867537
> here are certain areas like aerospace and medical tech
they cant locally produce fucking tetra pack and thermal print paper. anything high tech in russia is dead, everything else they'll have to buy from china.

as for op question - there is nothing to discuss when economics are 100% controlled by politics. ask pol

>>49867667
Name 1 good reason to stay in the West if that happens.
I am asking that as a brit. I am sick and tired of "permits" while little girls are being gang raped to the thunderous applause of the homos in charge.
I think this system is irredeemable. I would happily change my mind, but I see no reason to do that.

>>49867791
Obviously it is but I drove through entire Germany and it really seems like they have it good. If it wasn't for le "imported folk" it would be the perfect country to move to honestly, albeit a bit boring.

>>49867799
the vast majority of tech workers just love the hustle and bustle of the west

>>49867696
And the other 2 thirds, the majority, blame Russia. Even in my shithole far away from the area, Portugal, people seem bloodthirsty for Russia.

>>49867827
>Obviously it is but I drove through entire Germany and it really seems like they have it good.
What you saw is the wealth of boomers who have it good. For millenials who will inherit nothing, the future of Germany and Europe as a whole is more than fucked. The average wage is ridiculously low for "fachkräfte" (specialised skills)
I wish some anon can prove me wrong though. I'm looking at all options moving away right now

>>49867827
>albeit a bit boring.
Amazing how so many westerners can't stop worshipping non whites. It is unthinkable for so many of them to even imagine a all white country any longer. Russia is really hitting the jackpot by breaking all ties with the West.

>>49867799
Nigga because it's fucking Russia. If you seriously consider it to be a livable place, go ahead and visit. Just remember, no refunds.

>>49866851
the biggest russian bank owned by the state forecasts this, in a russian newspaper:
>Russian Economy Faces 10 Years of Recession Without Reforms – Sberbank CEO
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/17/russian-economy-faces-10-years-of-recession-without-reforms-sberbank-ceo-a78031

everyone pretending it's going well for them is a coping retard, and also most likely a brown third worlder.

>>49867833
California homos are moving in droves to Mexico to escape the hellhole that is that state.
I only mention that because it's the remote workers for now. They are obviously mobile enough to do that, but I bet a lot of others are probably liquidating whatever assets they have to get out too.
My point is that there is such a thing as "too fucked up" even for tech workers.

>>49867592
Then riddle me why russia decided to turn 30k troops into dead meat instead of of using long range ballistic missiles, as they are military superpower? Even if they annex the ground they hold right now it's useless to them as all infra is destroyed and no west will trade with them.

>>49867921
based white saviors!

>>49867592
You agree that Afghanistan and Iraq were justified as well? US and allies said it was necessary for security and I know that's all you think you need to justify state action.

Russia is destined to become a nation of Elliot Rodgers

>>49866851
Russia is doing fine. Instead of taking the CBDC route they switched to a basket backing for their currency. Expect other countries to follow in the next 6-24 months as demand for the rouble rises. We're going towards a multipolar world. The play right now is natural resources and gold, but it's long out. Not a short term thing.

>>49867437
>Russia is pivoting towards the East, and the East is where the gravity center of the world is shifting towards.
Should we all start learning Chinese as the new international language?

>>49867899
I fully acknowledged that the life looks dismal at this point from the outside in a previous post, nigger.
Should taxes go down and regulations scrapped, all engineers and people who want to create something meaningful will flock there, since all the other alternatives are fucking impossible.
That was my argument, if Russians take steps to attract worthwhile people, not niggers like you, the standard of living would obviously shoot up, at which point, it won't be only "early adopters" going there.
You're also forgetting something. As horrible as life in Russia looks, you don't know how life in the west will be in 2 years time, let alone 10. It may be a viable alternative for people who want to avoid starvation.

>>49866851
Change your thread to
Look up what an autarky is and try to convince me that Russia is NOT an autarky.

The great reset is the reset of our current financial system. Russia and China are both pushing for reserve currencies backed by hard commodities.
The death of the Dollar is inevitable, the dollar gets it's appreciation from the fact that 80% of the world's oil tx's were traded in USD.
Moonman recommended this book.

>>49868034
Loaded up on uranium miners

>>49868053
I'm Polish, not the greatest country to live in or in general I know.
However you wouldn't fucking imagine just how happy russians/ukrainians/belorussians are when they're forced to slave away at some random construction site for 10 hours a day here (illegal obviously).
For them it's a huge upgrade, because at least they can actually earn some kind of pay that allows them to buy shit for the first time in their lives. It's been like this since the 90s and it's unlikely it'll change any time soon (30 years). Russia has been an underdeveloped shithole since it was established.

>>49868053
i cant believe biz is this retarded, tell me you're pol tourist, right?

>>49867902
We're not saying they're doing great, we're saying they will definitely do a lot better than the EU. Some german politicians a few weeks ago told their pop to take less showers. SHOWERS! S H O W E R S! All of this while they keep millions of shitskins on welfare to rape and murder and supply Africa with aid. If you think the EU won't turn into Detroit in 10-20 years you are beyond retarded.

>>49868034
I agree.
Capital is moving towards commodities, though there is more than 1 jurisdiction that can bring them to mass market. Ruble peg to gold, or more importantly commitment to not print and allow the general population of Russia to feel the war's impacts has kept capital from fleeing at that level, but wealth is still moving at the ground level out of Russia. In general, millionaires leaving and big brain drain is a sign that capital doesn't belong somewhere yet.
The country itself has prospects, its finances were in good shape and they have resources, for sure, but that fucking country has always had political problems. The show can't be run without authoritarianism, maybe.

The reality is that you need americans and westerners to leave WITH their capital, in order to see the kind of change to this 'unipolar world' that Putin talked about in 2007 at Munich and is mentioning again.

>>49867921
>long range ballistic missiles, as
And escalate the war?! Don't you see how unhidged you NATO fags are. Russia did a surgical strike as opposed to the usual NATO carpet bombings.

>>49868053
>>49867799
>>49867667
Good posts.

>>49867989
False comparison, a better comparison would be Russia puting mil hardware at the Mexico-US border, which never hapened.

>>49868239
It isn't in Russia, or more importantly, China's interest to start these fucking wars, and I imagine Xi was probably really only interested in what would happen if two of the world's largest cheap grain producers started pissing on each other. Putin likely believed it could be a quick conflict given how arrogant the Ukrainians were. Hasn't worked out that way and this is probably the worst outcome so far for the Russian and Chinese camp (china owns like 5% of Ukraine btw, for food)... Putin could use tactical nukes and we'll likely give him Ukraine, but back home he'll face power struggle probably.

>>49868184
>muh /pol/
It's the only reply you braindead niggers are capable as the EU collapses into an african shithole. You faggots realy showed Putler.

>>49866851
Their main contibution to world economy is export of natural resources, as well as food and fertilizer.
IT in Russia is dead, period. The state would take full control of it in a matter of months. Only state-supported companies are gonna survive this, and people gonna use state-approved China-style superapps. Centralized authorization that would require ID, whitelisted VPN-services with surveilance, chinese-like firewall, prosecution of civillians that bypass firewall, etc. The majority of government oppression would be centered on people doing wrongthinks on internet, since russian civilians are already demoralized to speak their opinion on the streets, but there always should be pressure.
For now, sanctions hit the biggest on elites, unironically. Their networth got dunked on, since ironically enough they were hedging everything into USD/Euro, property in US. UK and Europe, imported luxury cars and yachts, and now it's all harder to get (but they will find a way). What really sucks is all these measures taken to disrupt the supply of foreign currency, because Russia is an export economy, and as you know export economies love their USD supply undisrupted, while having national currency relatively weak to dollar. That's not the case anymore. They have to take a step back on their current markets and find other ones.
So, (overly) optimistic forecast for Russia: if they manage to offload a solid portion of their export to their Eastern neighbors (China, India mostly) for USD, if they manage to move their assets to Shanghai Stock Exchange, then they will negate most of the damage and be RELATIVELY fine. Too many ifs, though - Chinese interested more in cheap resources than in strong neighbour's economy. It's extremely unlikely that China and India will pay for gas in USD. Majority of Russia's stock market is extremely unlikely to come back into SSE listings.

>>49867308
Don't expect answers from a shitcoin board full of bots.

>>49866851
Russia will revert to autarchy, which is the normal state of affairs for Russia anyway. Globalism is ending, so this gives Russia a head start in re-orienting its economy for WW3. Russians are a lot lazier nowadays, so they will need imported labor.

Russian demographics are awful, so it will be very difficult for them without a constant source of Islamic immigration.

>>49868375
>Only state-supported companies are gonna survive this, and people gonna use state-approved China-style superapps. Centralized authorization that would require ID, whitelisted VPN-services with surveilance, chinese-like firewall, prosecution of civillians that bypass firewall, etc.
How is that a bad thing? If the Chinese are doing it too, they must know what they're doing.

>>49868280
I agree it was a false comparison. Afghanistan housed people that actually attacked America. Ukraine nor NATO didn't attack Russia (not after Georgia, not after Ukraine 2014). Just admit you're fine with state actors unilaterally invading other countries like every other neocon shill. It's fine. Just accept what you are rather than trying to twist yourselves in knots to prove otherwise.

>>49868144
>faggot seething about russians all over the thread is Polish

>>49866851
>>49868375
The less optimistic and more realistic forecast is China/India milking this situation as much as possible at Russia's expense. Then it all depends on what Russia gives away to China/India to save their export economy.
Worth mentioning that The West won't loose up their grip of sanctions by any bit from now on. They need someone to blame for their stupidity and absolute state of their economy, and i feel like they can't use COVID for that purpose anymore. Any attempts to appeal to russians in any shapes or form would be met with extreme hostility and would end up a political suicide for any state official in the west brave enough to try.

>>49868321
>Calls people brain-dead
>Swallows and quotes state propaganda almost verbatim

>>49868573
>Afghanistan housed people that actually attacked America.
The taliban offered to send Al Qaeda to a neutral third party as long as America gave them proofs of their involvement.

>>49868628
State propaganda is that multiculturalism is our strength

>>49867899
nigga have you ever been? moscow is fucking comfy af
everything is cheap, nice, and there are hot easy girls everywhere

>>49868185
>We're not saying they're doing great, we're saying they will definitely do a lot better than the EU
10 years of recession is unprecedented anywhere in the world. they're not doing better than the EU at all, faggot.
i don't care what full retard germans did to back themselves up into a corner by relying that much on russia.

>If you think the EU won't turn into Detroit in 10-20 years you are beyond retarded.
here we go, a third world shitskin wishes everyone was as miserable as he is.

>>49866851
What prognosis do you want? They will keep selling oil and gas, probably at a reduced rate because lack of western companies supplying parts needed for extraction. They have fuck all elsed. Another round of brain drain, and import substitution does not work as an economic policy and costs (extortion, bribery, smuggling western components, etc) means they can't build a competitive industry, no cheap labour from central Europe cause they'll get better jobs at home, etc. Anyway what matters is they have no demographics for a recovery ever again lmao. So, since they also have widespread gay rape and AIDS in Russia, literally worse than Africa

>>49868853
>a third world shitskin wishes
This got nothing to do with what that anon wishes or don't. It is a fact that shitskin immigration is increasing into Europe fast. It is a fact that shitskin majority places turn into ghettos.

>>49868446
Because if state can't withstand any form of criticism then it doesn't have any motiviation to improve or fix itself?
Because totalitarian regimes based on charismatic leaders don't usually outlive their charismatic leaders that much? How come USA, a liberal democracy, managed to survive without ANY regime change through its ENTIRE history and literally no one else didn't? How come they can afford a dozen of morons in the office consequentially without getting their country destroyed but it takes one-two morons to ruin every other country?
That's because they have a working system to run a country, not one guy or a committee that tells everyone else what to do.

>>49867677
German here. Germany has among the lowest food prices in the EU. Expected to rise ~10 % this year. Will be felt and I don't doubt many low income households will feel the pinch but in general it isn't a big issue yet.

>>49868887
>because lack of western companies supplying parts needed for extraction.
What a major cope, the country that first built hypersonic missiles cannot make oil extraction machinery, despite Russia extracting oil for over a century.

>>49868665
Depends what State your consuming the propaganda from. You are cattle.

>>49868911
>without getting their country destroyed
America is minority white. It has been destroyed

>>49868992
Russian state media is banned in my country, and i never sought it out in my life. Cope seethe and dilate

>>49868971
>muh hypersonics
lmao

>>49866851
This board is unironically crawling with Russian trolls who spread propaganda, watch as I get immediately pounced on and called a glownigger. The situation in Russia isn’t clear but its not going well. They’ll probably win the war in Ukraine but at a cost that makes the gains not worth it. Finland and Sweden will join NATO because of it, their best equipment and soldiers will be depleted, and they’ll have less customers to sell their oil to. None of this is part of Putin’s master plan, that would be fucking retarded, it was clear he expected to take Kyiv within a week and topple all resistance before any sort of response could be organized. Now they’re stuck in their own Vietnam and everyone hates their guts except other 3rd world shit holes.

>>49868955
So sell luxury products to rich German roasties for profit?

>>49868442
Demographics really do show that all white countries have collectively lost the world wars. Instead of constant expansion and colonization of foreign land, it's basically reversed. While not as bad as western countries (esp north america), Russian streets are like central asia central.

>>49869049
>Finland and Sweden will join NATO
Not unless Sultan roach allows it, lmao. Mighty NATO needs the permission of Turkey to do stuff now lmao
> their best equipment and soldiers will be depleted
By who? Ukrainians? lmao
>and they’ll have less customers to sell their oil to.
You should be more worried that Europe will have much more expensive energy, and even more worried that regions that are competing with the West are going to have a massive source of cheap energy suddenly available to them at discount prices.
One of the reasons that the industrial revolution first started in England was that there was a massive supply of coal available that was easy to mine. In other words, England had access to a practically infinite source of cheap energy

>>49869057
such as?

>>49869240
Expensive fabrics, outsource design. Scented candles, crystals. What do I know go on Etsy look for yourself

>>49867523
Delusional vatnik lmao.
Russian industry is smaller that the one of Italy with twice the population. The last stuff they were successful at exporting internationally were weapons and they got exposed as garbage by being absolutely shat on by ukrainian with cheap missile launchers, I'm not even talking about their army of homosexual hobos.

>>49868185
> If you think the EU won't turn into Detroit in 10-20 years you are beyond retarded.
You are the only retard here, probably living in some american niggerhole.

>>49867902
People don't seem to understand how corrupt Russia actually is. There is no rule of law and the public sector has been growing for 15 years. There are commies on the sidelines talking about NEP and wartime communist economy. So any sort of complicated tech or knowledge based economy will not be possible and what they have will degrade over the next years. Because of the regime the siloviks and army will get money first and everyone else can fuck off and die in poverty.

The pivot to Asia will be very interesting because India is trying to push trade in rupees, China is trying to push trade in yuan and Russia is trying to push trade in rubles. Whichever way this goes and no matter who cracks first russians are going to get a good intimate experience of chinese foreign investment with their collateral systems and interest rates. So they are inevitably moving towards the third world resource colony model. For that to work the regime has to increase repressions by a lot and that is why the more educated and forward thinking people have been leaving in droves.

>>49866851
>I think /biz/ is the best place to ask about this
Retard confirmed

>>49866851
Russia is finished it's over for them, major Balkanization especially in the east in the next 10-20 years

Russia will never recover from this
they have completely ruined their diplomatic reputation (again)

I love the russian people and I have many russian friends, but I would never invest my money in russia today

>>49868375
>So, (overly) optimistic forecast for Russia: if they manage to offload a solid portion of their export to their Eastern neighbors (China, India mostly) for USD, if they manage to move their assets to Shanghai Stock Exchange, then they will negate most of the damage and be RELATIVELY fine.

Chinese are nowhere NEAR as accommodating as westerners when it comes to foreigners owning properties, not even talking about legal protection.
Oligarchs are stucked in their dachas forever, no more extravagant apartments in London, private hotel in Paris and islands in Greece.
But hey, you can own an entire shitting street in Bombay maybe.

>>49869049
I genuinely believe Western powers thought it would be over in >two weeks just like Russia, that’s why sanctions were so harsh. Now they’re stuck with this for the long haul until they can quietly drop them

>>49867448
>Bill Browder
idgaf but Lee Stranahan says a lot about him, Magnitsky and financial shenanigans and whatever.

>>49869049
only winner is china india i suppose.

>>49868573
>Ukraine nor NATO didn't attack Russi
Holy mother of god, how can anyone lie like this. Who in this thread you think belives your lies.

>>49868628
>>49868699
I literally live in the EU you subhuman niggers, and can see the outcome with my own eyes.

>>49868853
>i don't care what full retard germans did to back themselves up into a corner by relying that much on russia.
Then you have no argument.

>>49868239
>Russia did a surgical strike
You people never cease to astound me

>>49868911
>without getting their country destroyed
The US is a banana republic, with roving band of niggers execuring ppl on sight with mainstream approval, whose only exports to the world are war, Hollywood jewish propaganda and interracial porn. The US isn't collapsing, the US IS collapsed.

>>49870615
As opposed to US carpet bombing millions into extermination yes, by comparison what Russia did was surgical.

>>49868911
>without getting their country destroyed
The US is a banana republic, with roving band of niggers executing ppl on sight with mainstream approval, whose only exports to the world are war, Hollywood jewish propaganda and interracial porn. The US isn't collapsing, the US IS collapsed.

>>49870950
Russia is a hiv infested third world shithole who goes completely down the drain because China can't make up for what they are about to lose in trade with the West. But you should move to Russia, you seem like huge faggot for Putin so you will fit right in with all the mongoloid retards.

>>49870772
>"yes we levelled your whole city and killed your family....BUT America "bombed millions into extermination" (nice english kek) so what are you complaining about!? oh, we're here to liberate you by the way"
you'd come across like a lot less of a glowie if you didn't repeat the party line on everything, comrade. you can (a) think russia was right to invade and (b) also agree that destroying cities isn't an ideal scenario. you still be retarded, but it'd be less obvious. as it is, you're glowing hard, vlad.

>>49871071
I didn't even mention Russia in my post, you refuted nothing I said. I accept your defeat.

>>49871071
>who goes completely down the drain
in 2 weeks?
>because China can't make up for what they are about to lose in trade with the West.
Of course China can't. But China, India, Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, Bangladesh,...
>buh buh buhh dey be like pewr n sheit
GDP is a shitty indicator, but not completely useless, so see the GDP growth rates of these countries, and compare them to European/American ones. Also see the demographics of these countries and compare them to Europe/America

>>49871146
I'm romanian, for who the fuck am I glowing you dumb fuck? The US has been exterminating entire cities for the last 70 years and now that Russia moved in the Ukr to remove US mil hardware at its borders am I supposed to believe US good and Russia bad? Who the fuck do you think is stupid enough to believe that? Also why are you still buying evil russian oil?

https://www.fastcompany.com/90760216/the-u-s-is-still-importing-russian-oil-despite-the-ban-report-says

>>49871341
>for who the fuck am I glowing you dumb fuck?
glowies and reditors love to "integrate" into the local culture by immitating the local speech patterns. But because they are low IQ/midwitts and they are very zealous about their "mission"/"culture war", they never take the time to understand the local culture, and this is what happens.

>>49871341
You are a whataboutist retard. Two wrongs dont make one truth. Romania is next if Ukraine falls btw so good luck fighting on the frontline.

>>49871523
I like how you avoided the fact that the US had brought far more death to the planet and how it's still buying evil russian oil, and instead called me a shill which, even if true, it wouldn't invalidate my points anyway. The truth is you don't have valid answers to those points, only empty accusation in the hope that you will change the subject.

>>49871617
>You are a whataboutist retard. Two wrongs dont make one truth.
tipical reditor response. Yes, 2 wrongs make a right. Justice, at least the western sense of justice, is based on equality of all in front of the law. If America gets away with doing one thing, it is fair for others to get away. Selective justice is unjustice.
Also a Russian invasion is the best thing that could happen to Romania. Romania sort of thrived under USSR, while Romania is collapsing under USA/EU. It is bleeding population left and right(lost something like 20% of pop since 1991, their birthrates are falling drastically, their industry is gone and their economy is debt driven consumerism, the shitskins are invading the country....

>>49867559
This. They will deliver the food and some commodities. Probably not a bad idea to buy some square kilometers of farmland the next month's in Russia.

>>49871617
>Two wrongs dont make one truth
The expression is 'two wrongs don't make a right' you dumb mutt. Also, if US puts mil hardware next to russian border any russian action at that point is purely defensive. If Russia did the same at the Mexico border the US would raze Mexico to the ground, because that's how mutts have been conducting warfare, at the behest of their jewish masters, ever since Dresden.

>>49871751
All of this is true, during the USSR we were an industrial powerhouse, everything from cars,trams,weapons etc, we made internaly. In order to enter the EU we had to dismantle the industry.

>>49867625
>Russia has loads of resources that it can now sell at a discount and make more money
>sell at a discount
>and make more money

really makes you think

>>49867625
I agree on most points. I wouldn't say that the best will go to Russia, but the opportunity to make a living out of farming or equal while the south of Europe dries out will definitely lead to more immigration of workforce.

>>49871617
>Romania is next if Ukraine falls btw so good luck fighting on the frontline.

If that would resume trade relations with Russia then I'm all for it, we import literaly 0 from the US, you mutts are economicaly irrelevant. Also nobody is going to fight on the frontline, decades of EU antiwhite hatred have destroyed national identity, the only thing ppl around here care for is their own pockets.

>>49870950
it took 3 decades of retards in the office and a century of jewish subversion to get USA to that point, and you still seething over them from the other side of the globe.
Say what you want, but US quality of life is way higher than yours. You may be a hot shit IT nigger living in Moscow and SPB earning 50k a year, and IT niggers in US still just have it WAY easier. If you're some gopnick from other russian city or a villiager then you're absolutely clueless about how good life can be and therefore any point you might make is irrelevant. Enjoy stagnation and death.

>>49871851
Same thing happened here in Portugal (except we were never a powerhouse), all our industry pretty much collapsed or was boght by foreigners. All the large companies we still have (mostly retail, banking and other useless consumer industries) have their financial headquarters outside of Portugal, mostly in the Netherlands.

>>49867909
>California homos are moving in droves to Mexico to escape the hellhole that is that state.
Those are spics and they are returning home after ruining the state. They never were "californians".

>>49871851
>in order to enter the EU we had to dismantle the industry
lol your cope sounds even more retarded than what actually happened - industry was sold to a highest bidder, and what wasn't sold was torn apart in criminal wars of '90s
stop sugarpilling your country you fucking nigger

>>49872160
Yep, same here, they sold everything to W Europe corps, the food supply chain, water, energy and gas utilities, all of it to open borders for the EU to flood us with shitskins.

>>49872289
How the fuck would a non romanian know what actually happened? The USSR wasn't even that big, who do you think manufactured all the shit you see in old pics of USSR countries. We literally still have trains, trams and cars left over from the soviet days.

Z GANG

>>49872289
I understand that me pointing out the US is an african shithole has disturbed you greatly but try to understand that you lying about the economic status of USSR Romania isn't going to change the fact that the US is a shithole filled with niggers seling drugs and spics prostituting their sisters at the street corner, all of it while leftists collapse dead from fentanyl OD in the streets that are used by pajeets for shitting. #SorryNotSorry.

>>49872937
And the fentanyl comes from the chinese btw, you don't even produce that.

>>49867551
It only takes one day of news to wash the brain of an average citizen when the propaganda effort is strong enough.
"will of the people" my ass

>>49867902
>themoscowtimes.ru
Literally CIA glownigger website that creates fake news.

>>49869675
To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if 20 years down the line there would be running battles between Russian oligarch mercenary garrisons fighting against Indian maoists over the smouldering wet-bulb-temparature wastes of Hindustan, trying to protect the fancy oligarch real estate.

>>49869724
You mean Putin thought it would be over in 2 weeks? Why would he put his infantry through this meat grinder?

>>49866851
As a Russian and former vatnick I'm disappointed in seeing RT propaganda being repeated here. I would recommend reading the following to remove the brain bug infesting your minds.

disinformation ion mihai pacepa
sealed train by michael pearson

Do not believe putins lies, many Russian citizens my family included hate the embarrassment he has made of my home land.

>>49866851
There wasn't a lot of foreign investment into Russia until after the fall of the Soviet Union in the 90's. They were never dependent on foreign imports or investment, and most of the stuff being given or taken away is frivolous like fast food and luxury goods.

Unlike the rest of Europe, Russia has an abundance of natural resources and farmland and doesn't depend on foreign imports for anything. You could completely cut it off from the rest of the world and it would still be fine.

That being said, Russia won't be cut off from the global economy and will likely player a larger role than ever in the future. That is why Putin invaded Crimea - to secure a warm-water port so that Russia has a sea trading route that it can use year-round.

Whether Russia ends up trading with Europe and the United States ultimately doesn't matter. They don't have anything to offer that is particularly special anymore and have hollowed out their economies and turned them into financialized money-printing schemes dependent on foreign imports themselves. If you take a look at what the United States has become, it makes perfect sense for Putin to not want his country to become a part of that.

So I think Russia's economy will be fine. Being cut off from the West has been the norm in recent history, and they will continue to grow and thrive without us.

>>49866851
>stabilization of Rouble successful in the long-term
It's currently too strong, the central bank is trying to weaken it and get it to pre-war levels but it's hard to do so without also causing inflation. Ideally it would be at a pre-war level, at least that's the current policy. They want oil profits to be high.
>day-to-day industry opperations, will they be able to replace foreign goods that get embargoed
Lots of small problems all over the place, who knows which ones will be solved and which ones won't. Consumer goods will find a way into Russia one way or another, people will be able to buy phones and CPUs and whatnot but highly specific tech could be hard to get. But then both Russia and Soviet Union always had to struggle to get that highly specific tech into the country so it's not a new problem, it just got worse.
>will the government manage to maintain a budget to keep opperational costs up for running healthcare and other social services
There are no issues with the budget currently, oil profits are huge right now.
>Is the oil trade with India and China a big deal, and will the eventual shutdown of European oil trade once EU establishes new supply lines matter at all
Sure, as EU keeps phasing Russian oil out Russia will probably be building pipes/railways/roads to India and China. I don't think it'll be a problem unless China goes against Russia.

>>49873416
Пидap

>Realistic prognosis for the Russian economy
>I think /biz/ is the best place to ask about this
Funniest thread on /biz/ right now

>>49873416
>duuuude I used to be a vatnick
>by the way here are some anti-Russian books I like to read
Sloppy job, Mossad

>>49873521
>>49873607
Hating Communist retards =/= being anti Russian.
I am a patriot unlike you pig tit sucklers.

>>49868911
>How come USA, a liberal democracy, managed to survive without ANY regime change through its ENTIRE history and literally no one else didn't?
because of its geographic advantage and its 'ENTIRE' history is less than 250 years, a fraction of the roman empire or even the zhou dynasty
>How come they can afford a dozen of morons in the office consequentially without getting their country destroyed but it takes one-two morons to ruin every other country?
because the 'morons' are puppets for the deep state and its status as a reserve currency allows it the ability to export inflation. its entire economy is in a massive bubble and due for a regime change in the following years when the economy soon pops.

>>49867233
What makes you think randoms on biz have any more insight into the current state of the Russian economy than anyone else? It's all guesswork, because no sources can be trusted even 2%. If you want my guess I'm in the camp that says the Russian economy by-and-large will be fine as they increase relations outside of the Western world. I base this on pure guesswork, like any response you get is based on.

>>49867233
It's high risk, low reward. Don't bother with this shithole.

>>49867592
>MMUH NATO!
Ivan, NATO was at the edge of being dismissed before the war. Now their military presence is strengthened and more countries want to join NATO.

>>49867592
>It was, NATO was placing serious military hardware at the Russian-Ukr border and many, both west and east, told them that was a bad idea.
Russia literally has a nuclear armed enclave right in the middle of NATO territory, by that logic, the US has every right to reduce Kaliningrad to rubble.

>>49869212
about sultan roach, I'm certain that he'll bow down after some form of currency swaps/oil to sweeten the deal

Lira is about to giga-rug
T. your turkroach news anchor

>>49871620
Paid pootin shill.

>>49867592
vatniggers never cease to amaze with their pea brained logic. they have toilet like brains that rt news reporters shit into

>>49866851
why didn't they sell their oil earlier to china and india? because they're paying this, due to other sources. and if OPEC decides to push down prices then russia can easily be brought to a point where they are running a deficit for even keeping the operation running.

>>49867308
>very few people know what's really going on behind the fog of war.
russians are not cut off from the interwebz
ask them
nothing happened, same old over there

>>49868971
they can't built automatic transmissions for their soviet era cars, let alone complex parts for mining or extraction equipment, or electronics.

>>49874745
>Russia literally has a nuclear armed enclave right in the middle of NATO territory,
Exclave. That much should have been obvious from the rest of your sentence.

>>49867503
>. They also decided to fuck over all of their high-skilled population overnight
>>49867503
>overnight
member when Gitlab forbade Russians from applying to their positions? pepperidge farm 'members

>>49874277

What is CSA?

>>49868911
>managed to survive without ANY regime change through its ENTIRE history and literally no one else didn't?
UK is another one which has the same regime for hundreds of years
Both US and UK have ((people with little hats)) as part of its regime
Makes the nogging jogging doesnt it

>>49867989
Why don't you use the cuban missiles crisis as comparison? It was blatant violation of freedom of navigation but it was in fine understandable.

>>49873481
Stronger RUB leads to only benefits for Russian citizens since they can buy from India and China with exchange rate being what it is, more consumer goods.

To build pipelines to India requires Pakistan which is why the glowies are active there.

Russia will survive this ironically is what they planned for since 2014. They are self-sufficient in food and basic-to-medium medics.

High-tech was never blasted out on free market, such as AI software or the semi-conductors. High-tech was always state-secret and state-guarded against easy replication. Consumer goods incorporating high-tech will find a way into Russia thru middlemen not even the big guys, could even use Turkey and Indonesia.

Ironically I foresee a Turkey+Russia alliance which means again a USSR 2.0 in terms of super-power status

>>49867543
>>49867551
>>49867592
>>49867630
>>49867677
Maybe try to be a bit subtle mr 'I am not from Russia'.
Your brain is full of the Kremlin shit. You're hopeless dude. Please stop trying to rationalize the contradictions of the Russian government propaganda, you're making a fool of yourself.

>>49876291
>Ironically I foresee a Turkey+Russia alliance which means again a USSR 2.0 in terms of super-power status
laugh my fucking ass off at the shit we read here...

>>49876502
>laugh my fucking ass off at the shit we read here...
Keep laughin like your kind did when I suggested a Ukrainian-Russian war was next after seeing Georgia in 2008

>>49866851
>cut off from global markets
They aren't. The west is not the world. The monopoly SWIFT had was, as expected, just a case of first comer. There is no technical problem in using the chinese alternative. The only ones who are going to suffer are those who received russian goods which transited via european ports, namely Africa. But if Africa has millions of refugees, this will not be Russia problem.

>realistic prognosis
They will not have problem with food or energy. Their only real problem is semiconductors, but thanksfully for them, the US blowed up their only real card in their trade war with China, and China now has a supercharged semiconductor industry.

>stabilization of Rouble successful in the long-term
They have linked their currency with natural ressources that re needed for at least 10 years, so yes.

>day-to-day industry opperations
They lifted patent protections for unfriendly countries. This + China being the factory of the world shouldn't be a massive problem.

>they be able to replace foreign goods that get embargoed
I believe they are cannibalising aircrafts for spare parts, so it is hard to tell how the future will play out.

>running healthcare and other social services
Russian life expectancy is below the age of retiring so simply lol

>will the eventual shutdown of European oil trade
First you are assuming that the EU is bullshitting. Replacing gas would be incredibly difficult because LNG just isn't good compared to pipelines. Oil is easier to move in boats but that goes both way. If Europe builds infrastructure for receiving oil from the rest of the world, Russia can also builds infrastructures to sell to the rest of the world. We could end up with a ridiculous situation where, for example, Iran sells its oil to Europe and Russia sells oIl to Iran.

>likely situation in the next couple of months
If the initial shock didn't collpase Russia, then it is almost certain that it will get better for them.

>>49876770
Have you try applying for a circus mr clown? You can barely align a correct english sentence and yet you larp as a geopolitical expert while vomiting facebook-tier theories...

>>49868053
>want to create something meaningful will flock there
Yeah yeah, tell this to Durov and others who got their shit taken away from them by force in Russia. Nobody is going to build anything worthwhile in a place where a corrupt police chief can take it away at any moment.

>>49876928
>Nobody is going to build anything worthwhile in a place where a corrupt police chief can take it away at any moment.
Are you talking about Canada?

Shill me Russian crypto projects

Russians shills living in Russia have the excuse of being bombarded with propaganda and social pressure.
Russians shills living outside Russia have to be among the most pathetic human beings living on this planet.

>>49868045
Imagine not starting to learn Chinese several years ago. It takes 10 years of study to gain some proficiency.

Russia's O&G revenue will increase, but they can't do anything with it, aside continue shoveling it to corrupt oligarchs.

The industrial machinery they actually need to increase domestic production of goods is all made by the West, which won't sell it to them. That's where the pain will be felt. That's why you have car factories shitting out automobiles with no electronic or safety components, why a diminishing stock of planes is being cannibalized to keep domestic air travel afloat, and so on.

>>49876974
>Shill me Russian crypto projects
Ethereum

russian FSB shills and kremlin bots idy nahui

>>49876291
>Stronger RUB leads to only benefits for Russian citizens since they can buy from India and China with exchange rate being what it is, more consumer goods.
Sure but it hurts exports too much so the central bank aims at a pre-war rate. It's not my opinion, they've literally said this a few weeks ago. Obviously you can always dump your exchange rate if you want, just print more currency, the question is how do you do it without causing inflation. The Central Bank is trying apparently.

>>49877882
>Sure but it hurts exports too much
Russia does not have diversified export economy to hurt itself, its just exporting commodities
Which are really really in high demand, in fact so strong its causing RUB to be this strong

>>49877054
Same is true for US. If you don't live in US and you shill for US interests against the interests of your country, you're human garbage. Unfortunately most heads of state in EU appear to be just such shills.

>>49871873
You don't understand, nigger. If the price of something goes up by 25% and you sell it at 15% discount, you'll sell at a discount and make more money than you did before the increase.

>>49877882
>>49877927
>>49877972
15 rubles ($0.000005) have been deposited to your FSB shill farm account

>>49866851
Rubles are irrelevant and useless outside Russia
They can't use freely converted currencies like USD and Euro because Russian cards are blocked
Zero tech achievements in 30 years
Depending on western technology can't even make their own machines to make stuff
Strive on Soviet infrastructure mostly
>Le based
Cold so shit agriculture
>but muh wheat
Low quality wheat
Can't even make agricultural equipment all was bought from the west
Most Russians are in debts and have low or no savings
Corrupted oligarch regime
>oil gas
They still depend on the oil and gas sales to EU because the pipes going through Ukraine still working.

>>49868955
>low food prices
Why is that? I live in Canada and food prices here are ludicrous. My French friends always complain about it.

>>49878057
How do you counter the Russian argument that the world is de-dolerizing and the Ruble will replace it in the developing world, thus suddenly making Russia a global player?

>>49869512
>their collateral systems and interest rates
I assume these are not very accommodating?

>>49878494
Xi would like to have a word with Putin on this specific issue.

>>49878494
It's BS because China's main markets are in USA and EU. These places have many more people living there and those people have a much greater buying power. Like I said rubles are still very unstable and can't be freely converted like USD. Even some Russian economist fags say that the rise of rubles is only a domestic thing and the chance of it falling again is very high.

>>49866851
>>49867233
America failed. That's pretty much all you need to know.

>>49866851
The Russian economy is fucked, and so is almost every Western economy. The thing that's really scary for most Western countries is that they don't have a sufficient agricultural sector, and they got rid of their industrial base because of muh environment. And as these are the pillars of a functioning economy, things get really bad really fast once it's not only Russia against the Western world. Imagine it's Russia, China and India against the Western world. Things will go downhill fast, and it will be very painful. Our wealth is based on illusions, and we are about to find out. Doesn't mean that Russia won't suffer - it will.

>>49866851
Russia saved around $620 billion so for the moment its as stable as one can get in such a position. Guarantee by next year as Ukraine grinds ever on they’re gonna get hit with something that made 1991 look like a golden age.
>industry is borderline nonexistent
>the components needed to actually use and make shit are not coming in
>demographics went from fucked to turbo fucked
>just showed the world how much of an early 2000’s iraq tier shitshow their military is
>india level brain drain that the current stunt in ukraine made much worse
>pretty much guaranteed no western investor so much as looking at them for at least the next half century
Their only bit to bring to the table is gas and Gazprom which has a murky future to say the least.
>>49878494
>the world is de dollarizing
Certainly not as strong of a hegemon as it used to be, whether this trend stays is the question.
>the ruble will replace it
See this is the problem with vatniks, just because one thing is happening doesn’t mean their rossiya stronk memes become reality. Russia is pissing off the very small number of countries it might call neutral such as Kazakhstan and is still a threat to regions like China and India who are looking to be the big dogs on the block. Russia is unironically the modern day late Ottoman Empire, and even that may be generous.

>>49878042
15 rub is $0.28
you on the other hand do it for free

>>49878882
rub/usd rate is fake everyone know that
so yes you probably getting around 0.000005$ or near that

>>49878962
you do it for free

>>49867592
I'm from Michigan Oblast and I agree.
We at HATO should not be antagonising a nuclear armed state.

>>49866851
>economy
>I think /biz/ is the best place to ask about this.

>>49878993
yeah I replying to russian shills for free because I'm bored, ivan

>>49878741
>Ottoman Empire
Wouldn't Imperial Russia be a better example, both due to, well, it being Russia, and it having the same position of backwards military and economy?

>>49867799
You clearly have no idea what sort of shithole russia is. Just give it time, socialism will end in Europe, economic liberalism will flourish once more and the eastern orcs will be annihilated. Don't give up now, just get ready for the moment the socialist experiment collapses.

>>49869049
Extremely based. This is the only response worth reading in this thread.

>>49879997
cia psyop glownigger detected
you will never be a woman

>>49877743
I mean authentically Russian. And by that I mean Putin - endorsed

>>49866851
Russia will only grow stronger and richer from here.

>>49866851
they'll turn east hard, chinks and jeets will enjoy cheap resources and russians will get chinese clones of western tech, things will continue as usual except the west will be somewhat fucked unless they tell enviromentalists to fuck off and start drilling for their own hydrocarbons

>>49879550
Delusional cope

Socialism will never end because there is now a permanent class of welfare moochers and illegal immigrants in all western countries that only exist because of government gibs, and thus will defend leftism no matter what. Brown immigrants, unlike whites, are race conscious and so will vote for the party that supports endless welfare, refugees, and open borders even if it disadvantages them because they know that more brown people breeding and entering means less white people and less power for white people. Of course leftists and Jews know this so they will support more brown illegals, druggies, welfie leeches, who in turn will support socialist politicians… and by 2122 every western country will essentially be Brazil or Mexico. Liberalism is over, the rest of this millennium’s history will be huge Asian imperial authoritarian states while the formerly white powers become Latin America and eventually Africa.

>>49880595
sad but true

>>49874903
Why sell crude to poor people without as much refinery capacity when you can sell to richer people that do. Oh, and that refinement comes from western technology that Russia just lost access to so goodbye domestic refinement in the long run oops lol no more tank fuel for monke wars
>>49876062
Because that didn't result in NATO reducing eastern Cuba to rubble, it ended with NATO removing its own missiles from Turkey because they could actually reach a solution that didn't result in untold death and misery, both for its own troops and the other party.

>>49867899
you sound like an indoctrinated normalfaggot

>>49880785

LOL in fact US now has problems because it used to source highly refined petroleum products from Russia. This is why that small 9% import drop due to sanctions is impacting supply chain so significantly. US has limited refining capacity and it will only get worse from here, get ready for $6 a gallon average.

>>49867233
Well negro, Joe Biden of all people said it best:

>Fundamentally, nothing will change.

>>49867456
>around 10% of nurses did not agree on taking mandatory vaxx are still laid off or working some other job
Good to know that Finland is just as anti-science (ie virology is a fraud) as the rest of the world.

>>49866928
>Supply of Russian camgirls will increas
It sucks when ruble is expensive and crypto is cheap and all your wealth is in dumping crypto. And fucking ruble is just going on to rise. Camgirls suffer from expensive ruble too.

>>49867456
Finns ceased to give tourist visas to Russians when Covid had begun and never resumed.

>>49866851
I live in Russia, AMA

>>49883021
Hello friend are you worried for your safety or did you manage to leave the country before the ship kicked off as well?

>>49883285
I'm an American living in Russia. Why would I leave lol

>>49878962
lmao this cope again. I'm literally going to exchange more dollars to rubles today.

>>49866851
over the next 20 years, they seem to be fine. very low debt, lots of resources
europe is dying from self inflicted wounds, so they're not going to be a great customer in the future
but 25-50 years from now, it depends, mostly on the direction china goes

>>49866851
>I think /biz/ is the best place to ask about this.
This whole site is the worst place you can ask, except the rest of internet.

There is no such thing as "Russian economy" when you think by that in western categories. It's is a corrupt, government controlled shithole where the current business owner has no rights. He had to bribe here and there and need connections to the state. That state is little more than a dumb authorative nomenclature only interested in itself. Russia works because of the old joke "where I am nothing works but I can not be everywhere"

They adapted the Chinese style - which is a similar state - and maybe get more free enclaves for business. Myself worked with companies over there you can't tell from western ones. Professionell, fast and efficient. Operated by Harvard etc. studied people and with well paid employees with a good education. That's the other side.

Now there are under pressure. The comfy situation of digging out something, selling it to the west and get in return everything they needed no longer works. They will find a solution, a Russian solution which will be unusual in our eyes but stable as fuck.