/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>49778701
My company is forcing everyone back into the office, and the big bosses can't figure out why so many teams are bleeding staff faster than HR can hire replacements. Maybe they'll figure it out one day.

>>49778701
My company is letting me do whatever but they are making the California fags go back 3 days a week to utilize the big office they built right before covid lmao. I just moved further from the office and own my house outright. Safe to say I'll never be back.

based

not going back either

>>49778701
based, fuck boomers and fuck HR

I can't imagine going back to office after 2.5 years of WFH. A downside is that I don't see or talk to anyone IRL and I'm getting weirder everyday.

My company made me a permanent WFH employee in 2020 and then promoted me. I'm up for my second promotion now

Tech faggots are living on borrowed time. You go back to work or your job gets “restructured”. Your call.

>>49779536
Fuck, my company doing the same shit here in Sydney. Out of state workers are all good to work from home but anywhere near Sydney is being forced to go in. I’ve told my manager I’m not doing it and its not negotiable so I’m just counting down the days til I get fired.

>>49779217
Fucking retards lmao, but this is happening in so many companies it's unreal. They don't understand that we will simply not take this shit and theres nothing they can do about it

>>49779536
>>49779676
>>49779781

Hell yes, FUCK offices

>>49778701
And this is why we're teetering on the brink of a recession.

>>49780093
Lmao, no its not. We experience a recessoon every few years because of the choices YOU retards have been making for the past four decades. But your time has passed. Its over.

>>49780010
> we will simply not take this shit
You absolutely will. Or they’ll find someone who will WFH at a fraction of your salary.
You have no leverage, faggot.

>>49778701
you are going to be outsourced

>>49780192
Cope harder, we will do what we want. Times have changed, you old fuck. Now please go ahead and send me a slack dm. Ill get back to you whenever I feel like it.

>>49779992
Can you move further away? Say you moved in with a relative in Whoop Whoop, on the outskirts of Bumfuck, Nowhere.

>>49780010
What makes it worse is that our competitors are offering WFH plus higher salaries. The only reason I'm staying put is that my boss lets us WFH anyway, contrary to company policy, and I'm in line for a promotion soon.

>>49780344
I am in Europe, so many people I know WFH for US companies. Boomers don't grasp the scale at which everyone has gotten acustomed to remote work.

>>49778701
I had an attendance system with cameras installed in our company - take all the time off you want but if you dont clock in you're not getting paid.

>>49780298
You have no power. You have no future. The economy is going to collapse and you’ll be crying in your pajamas, you little fruit cup.

>>49780437
I'll quit if that happens to me. Feel free to hire someone else hehe. I have 2 jobs lined up where I can work from home due to experience. I don't need you.

>>49778701
K fine we will hire people from India and China to replace you then since we have a global market of labour now that can work from home

>>49780505
>You have no power. You have no future. The economy is going to collapse and you’ll be crying in your pajamas, you little fruit cup.

Working from home is not an option for people who actually do work.

t. Tradie

>>49780579
They will set up the same thing sooner or later everywhere. WFHcels will be left starving. If one year of doing insufficient work (instead of socializing in office like a normal human being) is worth poverty to you, go ahead.

>>49780093
Thank goodness, Boomer office managers are going to salvage economy and save us all

>>49780720
^ officecuck cope

>>49780683
Nice cope. I make 6 figs playing with my dong all day at home. Get back to work tradie.

a lot of companies are fine with WFH but are starting to require you to be local to the region or at least in the same state

>>49780790
Not even mad. Just out here grilling to start my 3 day weekend.

>6 fig work from home
Ok sure buddy retard

>verification not required

>>49780720
My skills will always be in demand and can never be automated.

Stay mad you fucking NIGGER FAGGOT LOOOOOOOL


Enjoy spending a chunk of your pay on commuting and rent you fucking FAGGOT

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>49778701
My supervisor is a zoomer younger than I am and would rather travel to the other offices around the country than go into our home office here lmfao

>>49779217
>maybe they'll figure it out
They already have. They figured out that WFH employees are only doing like 2 hours of work.
Do you idiots think managers don't see the same shit on the internet that you see?
>thousands upon thousands of people bragging that they only spend 2 hours working and the rest chilling out
>lots of people talking about how they have 2 wfh jobs at the same time because they only spent 15 hours/week on each job
A likely outcome is that there will be 2 tiers of salaries: wfh and work at the office. The people who work from home will have to take a significant payout
>but we'll just quit!
And do what? Apply at another company who will have the same policy? All that corporations need to do is decide that wfh pays less, and you will have to take less.

>>49781177
You do know most jobs have time tracking, for decades now? How inept are you? Do you even have a job? Fucking retard LOL

>>49780790
You’re a soft hunched slug doing nothing with your life. That anon builds shit with his hands and is more of a man than you’ll ever be.
Also, trades usually make great money.

>>49781079
> My skills will always be in demand and can never be automated.
Spoken like every 22-year-old baby faggot who thinks knowing Java makes him one of the aristocracy.
Your skills are a dime a dozen and you will be returning to work.

>>49781177
This is all just cope. Most of us have an X number of things we need to do in a day. If I do X in two hours, as opposed to eight, that's not my problem. I did that in the office too. It's just that instead of shitposting and watching things on YouTube I chit-chatted with my normie colleagues.

>>49781331
> If I do X in two hours, as opposed to eight, that's not my problem.
It’s 100% your problem. It means your business is operating extremely inefficiently and you’re being overpaid by ~300%.
The only reason you still have a job is PMC solidarity in the tech industry. Once people start “going scab” and agreeing to do more for less, you’re done.

>>49781305
LOL only smooth brained niggers make assumptions as large as yours. This is how we know you are poor. You dumb fat faggot

>>49781245
>>49781305
Based and wagmi

>lnokddo4
get a load of this seething christcuck

>>49781427
>It’s 100% your problem
No, none of this is my problem.
>It means your business is operating extremely inefficiently and you’re being overpaid by ~300%.
Your opinion + not my problem
>The only reason you still have a job is PMC solidarity in the tech industry.
No, cope.
>Once people start “going scab” and agreeing to do more for less, you’re done.
OK, go ahead, replace me.

>>49781451
I don’t have to assume that you’re a faggot for working in tech.
Go put on some programming socks and dilate, queer.

>>49781079
If your job can be done remotely it can be automated

>>49778701
you'll get replaced by pajeet and ranjesh
>nooooo i'm too valuable to my company!
your boss is already looking to replace you

>>49781427
>Once people start “going scab” and agreeing to do more for less
yes boomer, and i'm sure one day your dick will miraculously start working again too

Anyone arguing that WFH doesn't work is a ludite. Welcome to the internet age. If you don't have a skill that allows you to work from home, suck it up or learn how to program. Stop being bitter and jealous. Oh wait, you can't, highlighted by the fact that you post this vitriolic shit on 4chan for fun ok your Saturday morning.

My company has a really nice office, I enjoy going in two days a week, usually on Thursday and we clock off early for lunch and some beers (UK). Most of my company is under-40 so I enjoy being around them, I get a lot of important work done on office days and I enjoy the change of scenery. A lot of our new grads really benefit from the structure as well, a lot of them really struggled to onboard and understand how to work effectively during the lockdowns.
I think a lot of perms-wfh crowd are the more mentally Ill or unpleasant people, no different from the in-office boomers. There a pros and cons to both.

>>49781619
Stay seething you dumb nigger, kill yourself LMAO

>>49781641
Low on retard take

>>49778701
Good morning sir, I happily redeem your job for you, I work from home in Hyderabad with low price of $45,000 compensation for year.

>>49781791
Hello Sir can you do the needful and redeem the bill

>>49781754
the pros are to entertain the older gen that can't or doesn't want to figure out how a printer works

>>49781791
sir are you having deep certification from sir nagoor babu CORE JAVA?

>>49778701
>he still thinks WFH is going to benefit him and not the companies who will abuse it by hiring third worlders
NGMI

>>49781747
>t-the thing that’s happened to every overpaid industry ever will never happen to me!
Keep telling yourself that, baby faggot.
How many anime toys you own for your “battle station”?
>>49781751
You don’t have any skills. You’re a code monkey.
Get back to me when you learn how to engineer a nuclear reactor or build a mega city.

>>49781751
Tbh I don't mind going to the shop. WFH fags are soft, lazy, and whiny. I worked all through the pandemic and got papers stating I am a critical infrastructure worker.

Not jealous of WFH faggots, since I am happy working with my hands.

>>49781754
Yeah, there are good arguments for working in the office even when WFH is possible. But some companies are pushing for 100% back in the office with no social benefits, and those are the companies that are bleeding employees.

>>49781894
Yeah, boomers who work in MUH REAL OFFICES are far more incompetent than any WFH millennial or zoomer, which is one of the reasons why >lnokddo4 is a coper

Have any of you who endorse working in the office actually worked with a Pajeet? It's absolutely fucking aweful 9/10 times. Speaking clear English without a poonigger accent goes so far in corpocuck world. I dare you to try and communicate with Nigjeet for more than a month. Before you know it, you'll want to quit.

>>49781952
>overpaid industry
The market doesn't care about your feelings

>>49781985
I received multiple offers to WFH during the pandemic. Rejected all of them.
I’m not a soft faggot. Why would I work from home?

>>49782069
Indeed it doesn’t. FAANG is already doing layoffs and total compensation is tanking with the stock market.
I guess that might explain the anger coming from tech faggots: they know how fucked they are and are trying to take the money and run.

>>49778701
>my company said I had to return to the office on June 6th
>I found another job instead
>full-time remote
>get paid extra $2k a month
Get fucked BOOMERS.

>>49780505
>you little fruit cup.

You talk like a closeted fag.

>>49781985
Imagine thinking everyone works in an office

>>49782131
>FAANG is already doing layoffs
GADZOOKS, H1B pajeets and do-nothing bootcamp trannies are getting BTFO, how will I, a white man, ever recover?????

>>49782169
Code monkeys don’t know what real work is. They only know soft chairs and tranny awareness meetings.

>>49782210
>everyone that works from home is a code monkey


Jesus christ you are DENSE


You really need to kill yourself today

>>49778701
I saw a tradesman with a “custom decks Atlanta”. Poor bastard was 50 minutes north of Atlanta commuting in shit Atlanta traffic. I’m staying in college forever fuck your salary dreams

>>49782266
No, but everyone that works from home is a woman.

>>49782210
I wonder when they will realize WFH also means "Can be outsourced". Not just to India, but lots of WFH jobs are going to the Phillipines too.

>>49778701
lmao the second layoffs kick into high gear you'll eat your bosses shit for the chance to keep your job because you can no longer afford the cost of living and the cost of shelter you fucking rat

you'll see how quick the pendulum swings in the next 1-2 years tops. If you weren't completely retard you'd start showing your worth now so that you get kept when shit hits the fan

>>49782308
I thought they were trannies? >>49781619
Are you feeling ok? Did you remember to take your meds this morning?

>>49782313
I’ve heard of some WFH jobs even factoring in COL to salary. One faggot I saw got a pay cut with WFH and coped that it was “about the same” when he factored in that he now lived in Billings, Montana.

>>49778701
There's no reason to employ you over some jeet if the geography doesn't matter.

>>49782385
He keeps talking about trannies in programming socks because she secretly wants to bugger one.

>>49779217
you should leave too
too many wagies will just accept the "need" to go into an office but if enough people don't then wfh will stay
and enough people wont so why not join them

Owners can't reduce wages for employees living in the big cities without threatening a housing market collapse.

Checkmate seething tradies

>>49782398
Leaving 4chan for now. Hope you have a good weekend

>>49782313
anon, they've been outsourcing jobs to India for YEARS. working in office isn't stopping that.

also, you shouldn't worry too much. I've worked a lot with outsourced indians. There are a lot of cultural and communication issues that make them pretty ineffective in a U.S. company. they can work decently in a consulting capacity, where there is a key contact there who knows how to communicate well with Americans.

>>49782313
Some jobs can't be outsourced due to compliance reasons, plus there are work quality issues with certain countries. That being said, Philippines being the go-to for outsourcing is a big step up over India in terms of quality and communication.

>>49778701

I haven't done my actual job in a very long time. No deadlines, no new projects. I've just been sitting around, maybe pulling data on projects that I'm pretty sure have been discontinued, and learning Japanese. It's been 6 months of this.

>>49782385
He keeps talking about trannies in programming socks because he secretly wants to bugger one.

>>49782487
Literally every outsourced industry ever made the same cope.
Executives don’t care. They’ll suffer the drop in quality and PR for a better bottom line.

>>49778701
Literally outsourced your own job lmao. Enjoy that layoff this fall.

>>49782202
hope you're smart enough to take your bonus in cash next year

can't wait until people stop taking so much of their comp in equity and these companies actually have to start paying cash compensation. Most retards back out stock-based comp in models as "non-cash", so i also wonder what that shift does to valuations of firms that have relied on ever-higher stock prices to finance their payroll costs

>>49782487
>There are a lot of cultural and communication issues that make them pretty ineffective in a U.S. company.
plus the fact that most of them are completely useless or even detrimental
1 good programmer gets paid more than 4 shitty ones because theyre worth 10x more
heck you could have 1000 shitty jeets coding and they wouldnt be as useful as 2 guys who know what theyre doing
any half decent jeet is going to want to move to the us anyway

>>49780790
lmao how was that a cope? It's just the truth.

>>49782582
t. Worthless office wagie whose job can be done by literally anyone else, especially brainlets

>>49782659
who cares if you "actually do work" or not?
you even get compensated less for "actually doing work" lmao

>>49782736
> who cares if you "actually do work" or not?
Men take pride in what they do for a living.
You’re not a man, so you don’t understand.

>>49778701
OK go ahead, I am a sysadmin at a large bank and we were tasked last week with listing and sorting all WFH positions to see which ones would be easy to outsource to India, preliminary results are that about 2/3 of them can.

You WFH losers are about to lose all your jobs to outsourcing, especially with the upcoming recession and need to cut costs.

>>49778701
In a year you won't have a job to go back to even if you wanted to.

>>49779886
The only thing I miss is the camaraderie and relationships I built with my cool co-workers. I met some of my best friends at the office.

>>49781751
I have absolutely no problem with WFH. I wish it existed when I worked in an office.

The likely outcome though is the work is outsourced or becomes gig work. Also there are plenty of areas of white collar work that can be automated.

>be me
>23 years old w a bachelors in communication
>spent college going to bars w friends and getting laid
>just got an offer for a WFH position paying 110K
feels good lads, take the collegepill

>>49778701
Gen X here. I am not going back either. AMA.

>>49778701
Feels SO FUCKING GOOD
UNVAXXED
4 HOUR LUNCHES
NEVER GONNA TAKE IT
NEVER GONNA GO TO THE OFFICE

>>49782770
>I'm a proud slave!
Good for you.

>>49782313
my work has a call center in the Philippines.

They all suck. They're shit at what they do and our customers hate talking with them. They have non-existent technical skills and lack even the modicum of critical thinking needed to do basic troubleshooting. They're trash.

>>49782770
I know this guy is a massive shitposter but I just wanted to get this out there regardless:

Should people who take pride in working be enslaved to subsidize aristocratic souls who would rather pursue the arts?

>>49782487
Tech wagies shouldn’t be worried about outsourcing to india but Eastern Europe and Latin America. Indian tech wages (FAGMAN level) have gone up a lot and are actually higher than many European countries especially Eastern Europe.

>>49782736
Just outlining that it's the truth, guy. If your presence isn't required and your tasks can be completed by anyone in any location then the supply of labor has increased by orders of magnitude.

>>49779217
Wife realized a hybrid schedule made her work more efficient, and actually harder and longer hours.
So she kept a log of sorts, presented it to her bosses they said no. She just did it anyway, they didn't say anything and then demanded she stop.

Well, she demanded a 20k pay increase for commuting, they said no. She works somewhere else now, and they basically are begging for her back.

Times are changing for sure.

>>49783125
>working for money is slavery
Both a faggot and a moron. Yep, you’re in tech alright.

>>49781177
>They already have. They figured out that WFH employees are only doing like 2 hours of work.

Are boomers just now realizing most jobs are dragged out over bloated paper pushing bullshit for the jew?

When I became a shop lead hand and I had to start mingling with the projects department and such I realized all they do all day is talk shit about nothing on the phones and chase people around for money. And when there's a problem, I fix it and they just point out their boss was pushing them to push me to get it done...

>>49778701
>time-wasting meetings
these are still here with remote work

>>49783908
Yeah but you can multitask especially if it’s a meeting with a lot of people and you aren’t expected to participate.

>>49783829
Well considering the money is created by the Fed, you're kinda they're slave.

>>49783187
“The arts” is something only faggots pursue. They should never, ever be encouraged, let alone subsidized.

>>49784225
And I’m a slave to the sun because I need it to live.
Tell me more incredible insights, fag.

>>49783829
>working for money
That's precisely the point. You work for money, who cares what you do? If I get paid more to sit around at home and not have to waste an hour every day travelling and then another hour making pleasant with office faggots then good. There is no virtue in doing "real work" anymore.

>>49779886
>>49782811
This is true for me as well. As much as I hate the office, that is one of the few places I socialized, and being forced to interact with people you don't particularly care for is also important. After a year of WFH I caught myself being an absolute dick out in public whenever someone agitated me. Too much stress at work is bad, but you need a little social-stress in your life, because it is out there and you need to remember how to deal with it. When I called a waiter a raging faggot for wearing an earing I could tell I was losing my ability to hide my power level.

>>49784309
> You work for money, who cares what you do?
Men care. But you’re not a man.
> There is no virtue in doing "real work" anymore.
pure cope from something that isn’t proud of anything it’s produced

>>49780192
this is a stupid argument.

if mega corp could have replaced in office workers at a fraction of the salary with remote workers they would have years ago. ever hear of outsourcing? the WFH jobs left in the US are just as safe as the in person jobs.

im really glad i took a WFH job 9 months ago. almost identical pay and bennies but 30 hours a week instead of 45 with commute.

>>49784225
You're downplaying what the word slave actually means.

To be a slave you can't do anything, nothing not even make friends, eat, or sleep without the approval of the slave owner.

>>49778701
My previous employer made us go back to the office, so I quit and found a different wfh job and ended up getting a 40% salary increase.
No boomer, I will not set foot in the office again.

WFH "Chads" are already getting replaced by eastern europeans

I work for Concentrix and we are recruiting technical support agents, accountants, developpers, HR's

We are paid shit compared to the US wages but for here it's huge

and no, your US passport don't make you smarter or more productive than us.

Your time is counted mutts

>>49784612
> That ID son

>>49779217
based.
when they forced me to go back to the office after the lockdown, I simply left.

Fuck off with that shit.

>>49778701
You can either come back to the office or come back to a bread line.

Your choice, peasant

>>49784446
>t-they haven’t done it yet, so it won’t happen
Someone will do your cupcake homosexual’s job for half of what you make.
This is not hypothetical.
You are only protected by PMC solidarity. Which is fragile as layoffs are underway.

>>49784276
I mean, I suppose so. I can't physically remove the sun though.

>>49779217
All by design, retard. Instead of having to lay people off and pay unemployment, they get to terminate with cause.

>>49784752
lmao stop seething already, you're gonna have a heart attack

I recently got my first job ever and it is remote. Not really sure how Im feeling about it, on one hand it's good because I can get away with so many irresponsibilities and there isn't a big pressure about it, on the other hand Im getting in touch with zero real social communications/hangouts and this is turning me into a caveman

>>49778701
I want to do home office, but I’m a millenial boss so must meet my team…

Surprised by the amount of kike shills in this thread. I thought /biz/ was more based than this.

>>49785148
It's mostly copers from /pol/ that are shilling against WFH, you can tell by the lingo

My company has been WFH for 20 years. There is no office and never has been. They pay me $200k

>>49778701
my based small/medium size company (50-100 people) already gave in and agreed to permanent remote work.
only globohomo companies like google are putting up a fight still i think

>>49778701
>And yes, I am ignoring your Slack messages even though it says they're read.
based af
Fuck slack

>>49784309
>There is no virtue in doing "real work" anymore.

Spoken like a true faggot. How tf do you think things actually get made? This WFH "issue" is only an issue to privileged shitheads who are so removed from where things actually come from and how things get done that it's actually pathetic.

>>49785362
how about you shut the fuck up
unless you're a farmer, you have no right to be proud of anything you've "produced"
economy is all fake and gay

>>49785442
You interact regularly with things I have physically made. The modern world is only possible through my work. Not even mad.

>>49782313
plenty of WFH jobs cannot be outsourced. some jobs even require you to live in certain timezones, i.e. literally impossible to outsource.

>>49785592
i'm not mad about your gay little larp either, sweetie.
doesn't even make sense, if you physically made them then are you a factory worker? lol

I got my 3rd warning for fucking off too much while working remote, and now im being forced back into the office. I think I may just quit and find something new. Im already on the brink of being fired, forced back in the office and have no room for advancement. Why stay?

>>49778701
>And yes, I am ignoring your Slack messages even though it says they're read. Go fuck yourselves.

based. fuck slack

>>49785692
>Making things doesn't make sense

You really are retarded.

>>49781642
Clearly you don't know how pajeets work

>>49785592
Nobody cares about your indie dildo shop

>>49778701
very based
immediately binning any job offer that requires leaving my laptop in bed

>>49785762
based, i wish i didn't work at a hospital so i could do the same. Really thinking about making a transition to a comfy wfh job so I can browse 4chan and trade while workign

sun up sun down, there will always be usa based working during the day remote while jeets and ees work while you sleep. plus the yearly all hands. remote work is here to stay but those remote jobs are gonna be hard to get

>>49778701
>millenial executives

>>49778701
Investment opportunity: online secret santa (i.e. Amazon prime lucky dip)

I'm looking for £100,000 in exchange for 1.278% of the company.