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STOP MINING IN MINEXMR
>START MINING IN P2POOL
STOP MINING IN MINEXMR
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shutdown/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't; It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. When P2Pool reaches 51% of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.


YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL DIRECTLY FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET!

If you have a PC or laptop:

1. Download Monero GUI
https://i.imgur.com/ZGefPef.png

2. Pick 'Advanced' mode
https://i.imgur.com/4c0uSE4.png

3. Set up your wallet
https://i.imgur.com/4lMKh00.png

4. Keep the default Daemon settings "Start a node automatically in the background"
https://i.imgur.com/maACmmT.png

5. Once sync'd, go to Advanced->Mining and pick 'P2Pool'. If you have a laptop or low-end PC (~50 kH/s) pick "Mini" pool, else pick "Main"
https://i.imgur.com/E60JeMG.png

P2Pool-compatible remote nodes if you do not have your own local copy of the blockchain:

>p2pmd.xmrvsbeast.com - (Western Europe) (rpc-port 18081, zmq-port 18083)
>myxmr.net - (Northern Europe) (rpc-port 18081, zmq-port 18083)

OTHERWISE SWITCH TO A SMALLER POOL, IT TAKES YOU 30 SECONDS AND YOU CAN JUST SOURCE A DIFFERENT CONFIG FILE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FUCK UP YOUR EXISTING ONE.

Many inexperienced miners think that big pools give better profits which is not the case. Your profits in the long run depend only on your hashrate, not on the pool's hashrate.

https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
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>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

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>The irrational exuberance of cryptocurrency investors

Irrational exuberance is characterized as a hype-fueled mania that causes investors to massively overestimate an asset's real-world value. In this delusional state, investors tend to become so smitten with expectations of greater profits that they disregard the assets’ potentially weak fundamentals and drink the proverbial Kool-Aid.

This then leads to them recklessly and repeatedly buying into whatever asset is currently rising in the charts, thereby triggering and/or sustaining an asset bubble. This bubble is kept inflated solely by the mass delusion that the market price is justified and will only keep going up in future, effectively becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Note that bubbles can last for years, especially in an age of easy investor on-boarding. However, when history inevitably repeats and the bubble bursts that optimism invariably turns into panic as the asset crashes back down to its real-world value.

In finance, the "greater fool theory" suggests that one can sometimes make money through the purchase of overvalued assets—items with a purchase price drastically exceeding the intrinsic value—if those assets can later be resold at an even higher price.

In this context, one "fool" might pay for an overpriced asset, hoping that he can sell it to an even "greater fool" and make a profit. This only works as long as there are enough new "greater fools" willing to pay higher and higher prices for the asset. Eventually, investors can no longer deny that the price is out of touch with reality, at which point a sell-off can cause the price to drop significantly until it is closer to its fair value, which in some cases could be zero.

This effect is often further exacerbated by herd mentality, whereby people hear stories of others who bought in early and made big profits, causing those who did not buy to feel a fear of missing out.

make a tax fraud Yoshi with monero

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

>>49639128
Yoshi's shoes are already orange. Can someone with Photoshop skills add the XMR logo?

Reporting in

tor irc- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/tzm4s
Aliases- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/bjbx3
Extras- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/daxte
Nodes- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/ke2k8
Mining- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/c7na4

I would just like to let everyone here know that I irrevocably denounce the Talmud and hate the anti-Christ.

>>49639167
Is this good or bad for XMR?

And please speak to me like if I were a young child or a golden retriever. It wasnt brains that got me ITT i can assure you of that.

>>49639027
p2pool set up is VERY easy if you already run a node. I have my p2pool miner delivering payouts to Cake Wallet with my seed stored somewhere safe and it all just works.

>>49640652
It's good for Monero because it rewards miners without needing network fees.

>>49640652
The mining cap formula is flawed. Providing mining incentive keeps the productive tranche working and honest, and the music still plays.

Should I buy some now or wait to see if things dip lower? Just got back after a year hiatus when I saw everything burning, so I don't know the gist of recent things.

>>49641136
Just buy 25% at a time.

localmonero not working for anyone else?

>>49638921
any dev-fags in here?
if I want to learn basic smart contract shit which chain should I learn; is ETH still the way?
pls no bully i'm only asking in here cause if you're long xmr you have inherently have a brain

>>49641136
I'm out until september. despite inflation, the dollar keeps getting stronger. nasdaq is still correlated to crypto. When the fed restarts QE, will be the time to jump back in.

>>49638921
I love monero-chan so much its unreal

>>49641297
Surely that wont be until mid 2023 minimum

>>49641373
money vacuum go brrr

>>49641467
Yeah but I think your timeline might be off by roasted dopamine receptors

>>49641297
If usd crashes then everything crashes anyway.
Our loss on monero is probably going to be least of our problems.

>>49639027
I'm mining in minexmr right now. fuck u gonna do

>>49641805
You're harming the network.
Why? Are you a Jew?

>>49641853
>You're harming the network.

>>49641853
No, he's Chinese.

>>49641853
Probably the same retard that wants to burn coal just to "make the leftists seeth".
He comes here sometimes. Just ignore it.

On my pc, I went to localmonero and chrome and firefox give 504 error. opera just gives null text. But it works fine on my iphone on the same wifi. What is happening?

>>49641805
I don't believe you
>>49640838
based

>>49638921
Monero = Generational Wealth

>>49641467
Fun fact
THEY ARE STILL PRINTING
>Biden Digs In on Ukraine Strategy, Seeking $33 Billion More in Aid

How can we use a stateless privacy cryptocurrency to end the tyranny of big oil and big bank destruction of our environment for worthless fiat gains and fake power?

>>49641297
BTC normally bottoms around the 200w m/a which is currently 22k. There is a massive amount of accumulation going on at these prices, volume is through the roof. These levels probably aren't far from the bottom.

I'm a new fag

What is everyone's avg buy in?
Is there a way to earn or stake? Or do I just hold.)?

Bitcoin is fungible

Monero is an unnecessary utility token

the market accurately reflects both these realities

thanks for your time

>>49642384
ITT: Fed that literally glow posts on this thread.

>>49642716
>tainted bitcoin

>>49642716
Why do people use it on the darknet then rather than bitcoin? Privacy is not a utility its a right fag. The issue with monero is that non tech minded retards love to talk about it and act like they know anything about technology. I bet you hold your bags on coin base.

>>49642716
>Bitcoin is fungible

lol nobody believes your maximyths anymore

>>49641257
500 error here

Why the fuck do people hate us so much?
Seems like everyone and their mom wants to crush monero before it can gain wide acceptance.

>>49643096

If they hate you you're doing it right.

>>49642853
>>49642952
>dead links and no actual proof
>no secondary market for "clean Bitcoin" exists which is what would happen if any of that was true
thanks for playing

>>49642860
>Why do people use it on the darknet then rather than bitcoin
because its sole utility is privacy to buy illegal goods

i dont break the law so that utility is useless to me

>>49643096
it's because the average Monero user can't help themselves from vomiting their shitcoin onto literally any public forum they can get access to

>>49643096
I dont hate you

>>49642578
There is buying happening, and I know we also have a stonk correlation via bitcorn. I don't like that it is there, and yet it is there. I can certainly wait a day or two while jpowell & crew have their meeting. The meeting is today & tomorrow.

Any way out of this haveno fiasco?
Paper monero => low price => no funds for dex => keep printing paper monero.

>>49641953
Wouldn't that make the right-wingers seethe- Oh, you mean that kind of coal.

reminder Haveno devs are SÕY and probably AMERICAN. real open source developers don't care about their hourly rate. Getting 0.0001XMR would be more than enough for an indian dev

i love all the nice monerochan images that seemingly showed up in the past month. she's so adorable.

>>49643096
Yeah it sucks. The feeling of trying to help people, then rejecting you, then ridiculing and hating you as you succeed without them is enough to make me lose faith in humanity altogether.

Everything is gay and retarded.

>>49643206
>>dead links and no actual proof

https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.txt


>no secondary market for "clean Bitcoin" exists which is what would happen if any of that was true

lol it'll be more about "discounted Bitcoin" once the atomic swaps markets are up and running and niggaz be trying to get rid of their tainted coins.


>i dont break the law so that utility is useless to me

You know who it is useful to? A global multi-trillion dollar industry that doesn't play by the rules.

>>49642651
>I'm a new fag
Hi!
>avg buy in
Top secret.
>earn or stake
Just bring dark money magic into one of the greatest tools on the internet because greed. Sounds great!
Monero is first and foremost a currency intended to be spent.

>>49643843
that's a sanctions list you fucking retard, not a single wallet address is listed

did you even look at it or are you just mindlessly copy pasting shit everyone else is?

>>49643993

lol retard, you're supposed to "search XBT"

@BLENDERIO_ENGLISH (a.k.a. @BLENDERIO_RUSSIAN; a.k.a.
@MADEAMAZE_BOT; a.k.a. BLENDER.IO; a.k.a. BLENDERIO);

Website https://blender.io; alt.
Website https://blender.to; alt.
Website http://blenderjkul472odyrnpmnirqgpzd3kms54jrrfycledrvvfbyj3wnqd.onion/;

Email Address blender.io@tuta.io; alt. Email Address adblenderio@tuta.io;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3K35dyL85fR9ht7UgzPfd1gLRRXQtNTqE3;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3Q5dGfLKkWqWSwYtbMUyc8xGjN5LrRviK4;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3EPqGUw2q89pwPZ1UF8FJspE2AyojSTjdu;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3LhnVMcBq4gsR7aDaRr9XmUo17CuYBV4FN;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3F6bbvS1krsc1qR8FsbTDfYQyvkMm3QvmR;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3JHMz3mTna1gVCZSPp8NgRFiY7phkv5mA8;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 32DaxSzUhLBHY2WGSWQYiBSHnRsfQZrrRp;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3MTRvM5QrYZHKo8gh5qKcrPK3RLjxcDCZE;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 34pFGsSYbWEritXncW9unZtQQE9dKSvKku;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 38ncxqt932N9CcfNfYuHGZgCyR85hDkWBW;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3F6bbvS1krsc1qR8FsbTDfYQyvkMm3QvmR;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3MD3riFB6U8PykypF6qkvSj8R2SGdUDPn3;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3JUwAS7seL3fh5hxWh9fu3HCiEzjuQLTfg;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3EUjqe9UpmyXCFd6jeu69hoTzndMRfxw9M;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3QEjBiPzw6WZUL4MYMmMU6DY1Y25aVbpQu;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3N3YSDvp4cbhEgNGabQxTN39kEzJmwG8Ah;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3J19qffPT6mxQUcV6k5yVURGZtdhpdGr4y;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 33KKjn4exdBJQkTtdWxqpdVsWxrw3LareG;

Digital Currency Address - XBT 3GSXNXzyCDoQ1Rhsc7F1jjjFe7DGcHHdcM;

....and so forth.

Looking for a Monerochad to answer this for me.

I understand how Pedersen commitments hide amounts in a transaction while proving that the inputs and outputs equal each other, but I don't understand how the network knows that the amount is legitimate.

How does the network guarantee that the amount I specify in the input field is the same as the amount that my one time public key (stealth address) actually received (the output that I use as an input).

>>49643096
Even crypto haters like Monero, which means cryptobros hate Monero for bringing them in contact with crypto haters.

>>49643620
This.
It's ridiculous, there are devs that made entire operating systems for the glory alone.
>>49643096
Plebs will be plebs.

>>49644183

amounts are basically encrypted into the output.

Monero? More like Memero.

>>49644367
>>49644355
>>49644241
>>49644183
>>49644167
https://pastebin.com/pgUDWYQL

>>49644367
Who other than the sender can decrypt it to confirm that the amount being spent as an input is the same as the output is actually worth?

>>49643206
That isn't its sole utility and you know it you disingenuous fag. Like bitcoin it is supposed to be used as a currency. Do you complain that cash is used by criminals as well? Do you complain that criminals use tor? You always come in this thread and repeatedly tout the same debunked lies over and over again and you are almost certainty glow fags.

Further more, there's nothing wrong with using drugs and monero protecting drug users from the oppressive, unjust laws, of the tyrannical government is a good thing you fucking retarded faggot.

It's 2022 people don't just think because something is illegal it's bad anymore, retard.

>>49644788
>It's 2022 people don't just think because something is illegal it's bad anymore, retard.

based

time to get cumming inside 16 yr old girls

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

NO REFUNDS LMAOOOOOO

ErCiccione just said that he's suspending all his work on Haveno "until the price of Monero recovers"
>https://haveno.exchange/blog/development-ui-suspended/

Reddit tearing him to shreds here:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/vc4ax7/development_of_havenos_user_interface_temporarily/

>>49644707

It's not "decrypted" in the sense that the actual amount is revealed, nodes will run mathematical calculations on the homomorphic hash to validate everything but nobody can ever learn the specific amounts involved.

>>49644601
Brainlet here, what does this bot do

>>49644889
What the hell is haveno?

>>49644889

Only front-end development is being temporarily suspended.

>>49644889
>ERCICCIONE: We asked for roughly $150,000 worth of XMR. Until the price of Monero rises to make our funding equal to that, we will suspend work.

So when Monero goes up, he pockets, when it goes down, he stops working on, well, uh, whatever it was he was working on.

Very cool, Eric.

>>49645013
Monero version of Bisq.

>>49645018
>take $200,000 from Monero users
>price goes up
>pocket difference
>put tranny CoC on project
>ban users from complaining about what you do
>say they have no right to comment
>price goes down
>stop even pretending to work
No, he just sucks.

>>49644853
>time to get cumming inside 16 yr old girls
Already outside of strike zone :(

>>49645018
dawg it is literally built on Bisq, all they have to do is change the settlement layer and then MAYBE change the API a bit, all of the backend logic already works

>>49644183
Monerujo enters the circulation with miner rewards that are publicly visible. Go to xmchain.net and you can see that they are 0.6 XMR now. After that the amounts are kept in check with Perdensen commitments and BP+s (to prevent a serious case of inflation). The miner reward outputs are used in ring sigs (both as real and decoy spends) to generate valid, but hidden amount outputs.
I hope this helped.

>>49645149

From what I understand they're trying to make the overall UX as idiot-proof and n00b-friendly as is humanly possible, which requires extra engineering.

And they're not actually doing the front-end work themselves, which is what the problem is: the devs they hired aren't going to work for less than expected.

>>49644897
I appreciate your responses. Would you happen to have a link to somewhere that explains how the math works on confirming an input amount matches the encrypted amount on the output?

>>49645432

Try here: https://www.getmonero.org/library/Zero-to-Monero-2-0-0.pdf

>>49644889
You'd think XMR whales with 4-5 digit stacks would be able to keep funding this project

>>49645409
>pajeet

>>49645504

>>49645409
I'm wondering, is there a way for some other team to complete this work?
This Eric guy is pain in the ass anyway.
Not sure if monero community has some UI people.

>>49645263
Thanks for your response, it doesn't quite clear things up for me though.

Lets say someone who mined a block sent me 0.4 XMR of their 0.6. What is stopping me from using my hidden 0.4 output as an input in a transaction and claiming that it is actually worth 0.6?

>>49645500
No, you see, that's HIS money now. He doesn't want to spend it.

>>49645409
You're telling me this people CAN'T EVEN CODE? And Reddit gave them fucking $200,000!?

>>49643206
>I don't break the law

Yet.

>>49645591
>You're telling me this people CAN'T EVEN CODE? And Reddit gave them fucking $200,000!?
You're on /biz/ investing in crypto and this is confusing to you?

>>49645591
>>You're telling me this people CAN'T EVEN CODE? And Reddit gave them fucking $200,000!?

The Haveno team is working on the back-end while simultaneously having the front-end worked on by outside devs they hired using those $200K.

Now that everything has dumped they can't pay those devs the agreed upon amount, ergo the suspension.

>>49645782
>Now that everything has dumped they can't pay those devs the agreed upon amount, ergo the suspension.
I don't think I'll ever stop keking.

>>49645073
You forgot about the zcash debacle too.

>>49645544
>What is stopping me from using my hidden 0.4 output as an input in a transaction and claiming that it is actually worth 0.6?

The receiver obviously can see how much they've received, so your claim wouldn't make sense.
When you send someone 0.4XMR of your 0.6XMR your wallet creates a transaction with one input (0.6XMR) and two outputs (0.4XMR + 0.2XMR in change back to yourself).
That's where Perdensen commitments come in. Although the amounts are hidden, YOU CAN validate that the the sum of all inputs minus the sum of all outputs is zero.

>>49645544
In that case, the miner will use his output of 0.6 XMR to construct a transaction with it. In order for for inputs = outputs as per Perdensen. There must be a "change", another output with the rest sent, as well as the actual output. So the transaction will generate 2 new outputs, 0.4 XMR that you will control, and the 0.2 XMR left that will go back to himself (not to the same address, there is no address reuse). As you will have 0.4 XMR, even masked you cannot pass it as 0.6 XMR because the equations would be invalid. As a side note, there is nothing special with your output as the ringsig will mean that not only a miner input, but several others will be in the transaction as possible inputs.

>we will be able to buy more moneros at $100 a pop soon
absolutely based. I mean, OHH NOOO EVERYONE SELL BEFORE ITS TOO LATE Ahhhhh!!

>>49646526
Your buying power is going down, why hold Monero?

>>49646229
First of all, I asked a question and made no claim. I think you aren't understanding my question:

I know how Pedersen commitments verify that the sum of all inputs and outputs is zero. What I don't know is how the network confirms that the input amounts are legitimate to begin with.

C = x*G + a*H

What is preventing me from using an output worth 0.4 XMR as an input in a tx, but doing the pedersen commitment math as if "a" is 0.6? Essentially, how does anyone verify that "a" is the actual amount of an input?

Let's say you're the receiver and I'm the sender. I have an output worth 0.4 XMR. Only I can see that this output is worth 0.4 XMR. What is preventing me from spending this output in a transaction but doing the pedersen math as if the output was actually worth 0.6 XMR? How does the network or even the receiver verify that the output that I used as an input was actually worth what I said it was?

>>49646248
Thank you again for your response and patience, I am probably just retarded.

>As you will have 0.4 XMR, even masked you cannot pass it as 0.6 XMR because the equations would be invalid

What equations exactly? This is what I'm trying to figure out.

>>49638921
It's images like this that make me want to mine monero
chan

>>49647100

You're better off asking highly technical questions in the Matrix rooms where all the devs hang out.

>>49643620
>Haveno devs are SÕY and probably AMERICAN
I have on good authority that ErCiccione is Italian.

Miner schizo analyst does this mean BTC can not go back up again after this crash due to the mining energy costs?

>>49647100
Check out the verification section for this in zero to Monero.

>>49647100
You might want to hit up the devs themselves:
https://matrix.to/#/!VDQXWJoFsesLtbGdTT:monero.social

>>49647091
You're jewish, why not become an hero?

>>49649083
Damn, you're so insecure about your buying, not a good look.

>>49643620
> American
These are pajeet-tier third worlders that scammer hired off Upwork. He is probably paying them $10/hour and pocketing the difference.
https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno-ui
There are a total of 32 commits to the repo

Monerochads, how low are we going?

>>49647091
The privacy and the waifu

>>49650198
You guys don't actually keep a significant amount of XMR just lying around right? Right? It's meant to be USED it's not a safe storage of wealth. And institutional investors won't touch it with a ten foot pole so good luck "mooning". The XMR moon scenario means the global situation has deteriorated to the point where today's issues feel like a joke

>>49650759
>And institutional investors won't touch it with a ten foot pole so good luck "mooning
Having a coin that moonfags and "institutional investors" stay away from is a feature, not a bug. Also it's no one's buisness what currencies I own and use. But thanks for the concern.

>>49650198
My coins will never see an exchange anon. Captain goes down with his ship.

>>49650759
I use it as my savings account. Extra money gets turned into xmr. When I need to spend I sell. This way when the IRS inevitably comes after me for not filing taxes for x years in a row my funds are SAFU

>>49645432
Ringct is whst you are looking for

>>49650759
>The XMR moon scenario means the global situation has deteriorated to the point where today's issues feel like a joke
this is why I'm stacking it. xmr is already a global currency and will be more widely accepted than USD within 10 years. screenshot, cope, and seethe

Yes but could different mining protocols not make us detach from BTC eventually? Or is this cope?

>>49650999
checked

>>49650063
Ya, I think something like that could be happening, or maybe he personally knows the guys running this "company" they hired and is getting a cut. That's why the community needs to be smarter on who to trust... Haveno never really felt right to me and is one of the very few CCS I didn't contribute.
The problem is that when the proposal was open to discussion most people focused entirely on the conception of the Haveno Core Team and the Engine Council or whatever the fuck it is. So no one put any attention to the actual work that was being paid to be done, which now won't be for a while, lol.
I guess it's open source? Maybe someone will step up and do the work for free instead.
Still, it's fucked up. I'm glad I didn't send a cent.

lets play a game of "find the /xmr/ general chad

>>49651747
I thought the idea was to wait for them to do all of the work, then fork it into sneedeno.

>>49651021
based

>>49651747
I would never send a cent to anything the Haveno guy touches. He is a sjw retard.

I convert 1/3 of my wage into XMR every month and now I wish I held back this month for at least a while. This market situation is scaring me (and I don't have any more free resources to buy more XMR, I calculate my budget to use everything to last bit).

>>49651747
>Haveno never really felt right to me and is one of the very few CCS I didn't contribute.
The guy wanted 750 XMR to rework the UI even though the Bisq UI already exists, just change the color pallet to orange and a few other minor tweaks, you don't need a giant black hole of community funds to completely reinvent Bisq to some autistic new standards you have in your head. And that's being generous and assuming that this wasn't just a straight up theft from the community.

>>49647091
can't predict the future, always get fomo whenever I sell monero. its rational because i'm not doing anything with the liquidity otherwise

>>49652998
> 750XMR for a pajeet javacript app 2 autistic devs on adderall could build over a weekend
> half a year passes and doesn’t even finish it
Kek how is that faggot sleeping at night? It’s not even enough money to make it, just enough to piss off the community and acquire a shitty reputation for the rest of your life. Smh

>>49647451
>>49650063
>>49647451
Haveno, more like haveno bitches

>>49647091
>>49653823
You have a choice between an asset emitted by a solid network with good ideas, backed by miners, or one emitted by the Federal Reserve, backed by the U.S. government & the elite.
I don't have enough time to keep switching between one or the other every time the market decides to do something.
I clearly am not capable of "timing the market".
On the long run I don't want to be in a position where I don't have any monero.
Who knows? Today the dollar is desired but I imagine this can change real quick depending on the circumstances. If the dollar crashes, either unintentionally (imagine Japan, the biggest foreign holder of U.S. treasuries, calling in its loans) or as some sort of theatre to introduce CBDC while phasing out cash.
Then how quick you will be able to put your hands on some monero?

Uhm guys?

>>49654945
It begins.

>>49638921
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1536874842783244288
this fag better not mark up the price

Bitcoin really just doesn't fucking work, does it

>It's shit as digital cash because of fees and block times
>it's shit as a decentralised currency because you need Lightning to make it work
>it's shit as a secure currency because it will rely on a fee market to retain hashrate after the block subsidy goes too low - but at the same time promising everyone will use Lightning which bypasses those fees
>no privacy or any real path to privacy
>even changes that are optional extras like Covenants are autistically resisted by devs

I've heard people shit on Monero's ability to scale but from the point of view of the average user it's simple to use and private by default, that's basically all I want from it

>>49654945
Reminder that Elon sucks the CCPs dick

>>49654945
Explain.

>>49655608
Scaling is absolutely the biggest issue we face, yeah.

>>49643096
>Why the fuck do people hate us so much
Because they are buying shitcoins they know have no use case for line goes up
When line goes up they look down on coins that don't pump as hard
When line goes down they hate people who told them to use their brains instead of gambling

>>49649215
Fed.

>>49643206
Literally tons of articles. Many billionaires and institutional investors source virgin coins at premium for this reason. There is a market, you just aren't rich enough to access it.

https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/21/03/20244640/dirty-bitcoin-vs-virgin-bitcoin-why-kevin-oleary-is-buying-new-cryptocurrency

https://news.bitcoin.com/industry-execs-freshly-minted-virgin-bitcoins/

>>49655921
Yea I'm fed because I'm asking retards why they're holding Monero instead of using it.

>>49655963
>The Euro is going down why are you holding it?

You sound fucking retarded and this is 100% fud kill yourself glow nigger.

>>49656036
You don't understand economics retard, stop "investing"

Bros what am i suppose to use xmr for? The only useful thing i found in the use xmr list was porn.
t. too scared to dark web.

>>49656143
For buying shit, not for holding. Porn, drugs, services. There's numerous things, and if you can't "dark web" you're probably not smart enough to understand cryptocurrency in the first place.

>>49656056
hahaha I deff have a much better grasp on economics than you.

Kill yourself glowie. Monerochan is not going to zero and after hikes are over it will go back up. Even if it doesn't recover I need monero to buy my coke off tor fed nigger. Rope yourself.

>>49656185
Here u go:

https://monerica.com/

I am literally about to pay a psychologist in monero.

>>49655681
>country's rulers provide incredibly simple rules: you suck up, you get profits
you should be thankful the chinaman is so incredibly un-creative

>>49650759
Ever put cash in a safe? Monero is exactly like this but better. Sometimes a nice safe is better than your bank account.

I hope that anon saying he was going to slurp at 120 last thread waited.

>>49657448
Monero is basically a digital Swiss bank account and a payment processor rolled into one. Criticizing people for holding Monero because it's money is as illogical as denouncing people for storing funds in Swiss or Cayman Island bank accounts.

>>49656185
>For buying shit, not for holding.

This is the latest maxipad narrative, they can't ignore Monero anymore so now they're desperately trying to limit its prospective use cases.

>>49658456
>Swiss bank account
swiss bank

The euphoria is gone, everyone painting the devil on the wall. I just bought even though it feels wrong, which makes me think that it's a sound decision.

>>49659342
>>49659342
based, I am a greedy bastard and waiting to slurp when it goes under $100. In truth, I am hoping to pick up XMR for $50 per coin, but I know that's unlikely. I am going to start scaling in as it dumps under 100 though

Are we near the bottom? Be real with me, I can handle it.

>>49659927
Celsius hasn't even been liquidated yet. If they do, look out below!

https://youtu.be/dbdVWpEsnC8

>>49659990
>>49659927

To note, it isn't guaranteed that they do. But if you their liq price gets hit, we will have a 3rd round of extreme dumping.

>>49659927
>Are we near the bottom? Be real with me, I can handle it.

depends what you mean. I don't think bitcoin will go much lower than 12k desu, so with XMR we could be looking at $60-70 per token

If BTC stays under 21k for long enough, Saylor gets liquidated. If he gets liquidated, that means he'll be forced to dump 123,000 bitcoin and market sell them. That alone would push the price well below 20k

>>49647100
I think this is what you're asking

>>49660218
Bit coin has a massive market cap. Highly doubt saylor getting liquidated would have THAT massive of an effect. Maybe 15k but not sub 10k.

Further more if you think saylor is going to get liquidated ur dumb.

Looks like we're possibly revisiting 2 digits with king shitcoin going full bear at last. Been waiting over a year to rebuy my stack after i sold a part at ~2-300

https://is2.4chan.org/wsg/1653675403966.webm

I used Monero to buy a lot of stuff online and it's really nice! So it's good to have but i don't think it's going to be a big investment for me, just in and out as I need it.

>>49647100
I see, I did misunderstood you, sorry for that. That is quite an interesting question, but ultimately I think to make a modern type Monero transaction either you would have to provide keys that only work if the amount are valid in the same transaction, or the ringsig would fail as sum of the commitments to the inputs would not equal to the sum of the commitments to the outputs + commitment to the fee. For a way more in depth explanation than I can ever do see https://www.moneroinflation.com/amounts_mlsag.. That site is a great resource btw and was created by a guy that joined the Monero research lab maybe a few months ago and had the goal of understanding off of Monero's cryptography.
Maybe for exact way this is being done or for more details you should join and poke around in some rooms in monero. See https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/ for that.

>>49642716
>kikebook image
go back

>>49643096
i don't think anyone does.

Is it safe to send monero to someone from a non-original monero wallet. Like Exodus for example? Is it safe to send monero from it to someone else?

>>49663245
You should probably avoid Exodus specifically because it is not open source. I
>assume
it's fine though.

I have buy order at $25

>>49663607
For me its on 20$

>>49644889
Reckon those troons would have donated the excess if monero went to $1000?

>>49643206
>I dont break the law

Kek, BTC is money of slaves

>>49650999
Based, next paycheck goes to monero, greetings from /pmg/

$104.20 confirmed bottom

>>49654945
Uh, it's actually real.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1536874842783244288

The way we defeat BTC is through the difference in mining protocols right?

>>49658498
>coin non-volatile enough not to moon
>"there's no reason you would hold this"
Can we please go back to 2012 when the average Bitcoin holder had, at minimum, the financial literacy of a high schooler?

>>49665705
We don't "defeat" BTC at all; we're different projects with different use cases and different technologies.

I am rooting for you XMR Sisters
>LINK and physical silver chad.

>>49662471
Just like the people that used hundreds of bitcoins to buy drugs.

>>49666840
Thank you sama. I live and breathe monerochan.

>>49666840
I have a few hundred USD of physical silver! Rooting for you, too!

I know a guy who is slurping this super tasty xmr dip but where tf is the bottom holy shit

If I was a multi-millionaire, one of the first things I'd do is fund the development of a Monero atomic swap DEX. Why do existing Monero whales have zero agency when it comes to things like this?

>>49650999
>>49664305
based

>>49666331
Yes yes all good and well
But how do >we (i.e. XMR) become worth more than 1 BTC?

>>49668552
1 XMR = 1 XMR
1 BTC = 1 BTC
It's impossible to compare the two.

>>49668552
It depends on your perspective.

From a technological & currency standpoint, Monero is superior.
From a fiat & regulatory compliance point of view, Bitcoin is superior.

>>49668552
Pic related predicts le flooopening happening at some point between now and 2041

>>49668857
The main issue standing in the way of mass adoption of Monero is honestly the name. It sounds like some scammy beaner shit.
Bitcoin on the other hand sounds iconic and authentic.

>>49669028

Monero sounds more like "money" than Bitcoin.

>>49670380
thats because its essperanto for money

>>49641365
and she loves you too, fren

>>49670805
monero mascot > any potential BTC mascot

Tasteful base design

>>49670380
>Monero sounds more like "money"
Yes, in some beaner dialect.
>>49670451
Esperanto is just Spanish with a few Slav words thrown in.

>>49668605
There
I just did

>>49667930
It's the double edged sword of open source projects at work, with the added complexity of trustlessness thrown on top of it. I hear you though, it is frustrating. Even if there isn't a Monero whale that could self-fund an open source DEX, it is kind of annoying that there isn't even a bitcoin millionaire that isn't sympathetic to Monero's cause. It's really the holders of questionable bitcoin that stand to gain the most from being able to anonymously swap into Monero.

Does anyone know any jobs i can find online in exchange for XMR? Il do anything

>>49668552
Real simple-exceed btc in market cap vs supply.
First step is buying more xmr and taking off exchanges.

>>49671915
If you're a woman, the world's oldest profession is open to you, as is doing cams, etc.

If you're artistically inclined, take payment in XMR for commissions.

If you're really desperate, drugs, gun running, homosexual escort services, etc.

>>49671389
>Buy high sell low
Also Monero has actually outperformed Bitcoin since the beginning of the bear market.

>>49642384
Based.

>>49672845

>>49671915
MoneroJobs on Telegram.

Literally not a monero goldenpaper here:

https://cryptpad.disroot.org/file/#/2/file/V2sQd4xA3Eh+xXfM4EtpFQO0/

>>49655703
just google cryptonight bro

>>49672845
>If you're artistically inclined, take payment in XMR for commissions.
Have you seen how good AI has gotten? 95% of people will literally never reach that level in their lifetime ( i do admire artists though, dont get me wrong).

>>49674134
Thanks

Why does hiro not allow XMR to buy 4chan passes?

>>49675559
Why doesn't he allow posting over vpn or tor? Probably nothing.

>>49676093
He does allow vpn with a pass afaik

>>49676120
>posting with an account
That kind of defeats the purpose.

>>49676120
No, he allows people to bypass range bans with a pass and some range bans are from VPNs. But some, hell, most VPNs are outright banned.

>>49675559
Because this site is run by the NSA at this point.

>>49642454
Not sure. Often dream of a racially exclusive coin, silmilar in privacy intensity as Monero; but that has user-transaction genome verification. A privacy coin that only works within the Europid-Occidental race. Economic universalism is just as destructive as demographic and theological universalism.

>>49676527
Fact

>>49676858
Counterpoint: you don't need to do that at the currency level, as gold shows us. One of the things that makes Monero useful is that it doesn't integrate any features aside from sending and receiving.

>>49676931
Don't want to change Monero. Just want a racially exclusive coin for white people. Gold isn't a convincing example since it leads to centralization and statist-market fugwittery.

>>49651750
Based. Never understood why some sellers require ID. Might as well go full cucc and use KYC'd exchanges at that point.

>>49677405
It would make more sense for you to do a whites-only bank; that kind of race discrimination requires some sort of enforcement authority to determine who gets discriminated against.

Lets say I am too lazy to sign transactions with a cold wallet on an offline laptop. If I would use the cli wallet as a hot wallet on a laptop with the bare minimum arch linux installation which I would use for nothing else but the wallet, could I still get owned and lose my keys to a hack?

Does anyone have the high res version of this image?

>>49641365

can someone explain the implications of the lite coin privacy feature that got it removed from some Asian country? I know zcash and pirate chain are shit but does this new lite coin feature have the potential to absorb some of xmr marketshare?

>>49680170
Yes, of course it does, because we're operating in the same space. The main argument for using it over Monero is that it's privacy is optional, which makes it much easier to also do things in the clear, and also its better name recognition means it has built in adoption. The main argument for using it is that its privacy is optional, which is less secure than Monero's mandatory privacy features, and also it's better name recognition means it may be harder to use those privacy features because the vast majority of LTC transactions occur between exchanges that will ban the protocol.

I don't really like any non-XMR cryptos, but LTC does good work; they seem to be trying to do what BTC was supposed to do, and it's always good to see people getting privacy into more users' hands.

>>49680634
>The main argument for using it is that its privacy is optional, which is less secure
*The main argument AGAINST using it; sorry

I haven't read THAT much about MW, but it seems to wok, and it's good to see privacy tech that ISN'T a total scam or fed op, like some other products I could name.

>>49650759
I keep enough for a plane ticket and fake passport

>>49678765
Assuming you basically did nothing else on the laptop, I have no idea how it would get hacked. Either Arch Linux or the Monero CLI would have to be compromised (unlikely as they are both open source and you can build them yourself) or you'd have to believe that hardware level hacks of your private keys are possible by intel or AMD (pretty fucking unlikely but admittedly non-zero chance). The number of levels of paranoia you're on will dictate how far you really feel like going when it comes to keeping your keys safe.

>>49677405
you are a nigger in your soul, begone kikoid

ok I got some at 103
when do I become rich? july?

>>49682430
Yeah, July 2032.

>>49682507
that wouldn't be so bad

>>49682861
You probably won't be rich then either, I just wanted to dab on you LMAO!
In all seriousness, buying a currency and expecting to become rich is kind of insane. You're wide open to failure.

>>49682978
bitCOIN was created to be a currency tho?

>>49683045
What's your point?

>>49683045
>In all seriousness, buying a currency and expecting to become rich is kind of insane

Drugs will be legalized and there goes most of the use case
Demand for any other illegal shit will probably also decrease in the future as people become more and more passive and trusting of authorities

>>49685085
You're not thinking about new and exciting forms of illegal activity like selling heirloom vegetables and raw milk without FDA interference or running guns to Canada.

1 monero is still worth 1 monero

>>49685228
>new and exciting forms of illegal activity
like buying meat

>>49685228
BASED.

>>49642651
As a new fag, you have lots of decisions to make in this space. I'm investing more into privacy-rated gems as they are going to survive this bear market IMO. I'm bagging more of SCRT, RAIL, and ROSE while I'm staking SCRT on Kepler for 25% APY. Deal with this information however you want.

Is it delusional to expect 1 XMR = $500 within the next two years?

Suppose in the fedcoin future I sold some illegal meat for XMR, how do I exchange the XMR for fedcoin so I can buy groceries?

>>49643993
Are you saying the link is fake or that addresses aren't blacklisted? Addresses get blacklisted and linked to illegal activity all the time. Literally some of the first training I got in forensics was tracing transactions to addresses linked to Al-Shabaab

>>49685921
It HAS been $500 in the past....
Not completely unreasonable.

>>49680634
>The main argument for using it over monero is that it's privacy option, which makes it much easier to also do things in the clear.

No one ever actually has given me a convincing argument as to why this is actually true. It seems to be an extremely baseless assertion that is never actually backed up with any factual argument what so ever.

Why does mandatory privacy mean its more difficult to spend Monero on the end consumer?

>>49680780
Exactly, these "optional" features are just glowie psyops that are designed to keep normies from using actual foundation shaking protocols.

>>49686603
I'm very excited to see whatever that may happen in the future

Much confidence in monero becoming another tool in offshore wealth, and if the 1% is good at anything, it's not paying taxes

>>49685739
human meat?

>>49678765
Why not one, or two hundred, USB drives with Tails + persistent storage? You could use either CLI with remote node or feather. It adds the benefit that all of your traffic would be routed through Tor by default, and even if a hacker had physical access to your computer he wouldn't find anything because your wallet is on an encrypted USB drive.

>>49685085
this, thank you for being brave enough to selflessly alert others in the thread to this truth. There are 0 reasons that humans should want privacy.
brb going to take the door off this mcdonald's bathroom stall before I take a dump so if any staff should walk in they'll know I have nothing to hide.

Is it safe to buy XMR from Binance ?

>>49685085
>as people become more and more passive
They won't be if you take away their weed and vidya with inflation.
>and trusting of authorities
Have you been living under a rock since before 2020? Everyone under the age of 50 hates cops and the government, they're just also engaged in factionalism rather than being united in any way other than their mutual hatred.

>>49687519
Yes, just immediately transfer the amount to your own private wallet. OP has multiple options.

>>49685085
>the only use case for monero is illegal shit
It's an understandable fallacy to assume the West will "progress" on this trendline forever. Financial systems are failing, family dynamics are broken and we're more divided than ever regardless of our exposure to violence declining over the past century. The truth is, nobody knows how the future will pan out but investing in XMR is hedging your bets against a more dystopian one. It's the ultimate win/lose scenario. Even then, in the case that our systems do improve for the better, government and big tech surveillance will improve simultaneously. Governments also determine what is and what is not illegal. It's not hard to look at most of human history or current third world conditions to see how that can unfold.

Honestly, I don't know what kind of a faggot could have lived through the last two years and say people were more becoming more passive and trusting of governments. Either a maxipad or mechant banker, I can't decide

>>49686571
Not more difficult to spend, just a harder sell. People like options.

>>49687519
as the other anon said, it's good, but first check if it's withdrawable at this very moment, otherwise wait or buy somewhere else (cucoin, kraken).
When I bought my first monero I made a mistake by buying before checking, had to wait ~2 weeks for the withdrawals to be renewed during which i was sweating and worried the withdrawals would never be available again.
Those fuckers obviously are trading paper monero and only have a small percentage of actual XMR reserve (like the fed or every bank guarantee fund). Always withdraw your crypto from exchanges.

>>49678809

Boompa

>>49685228
Or just buying literally anything without mandated sales tax and public ledger.

>>49644788
>Further more, there's nothing wrong with using drugs and monero protecting drug users from the oppressive, unjust laws, of the tyrannical government is a good thing you fucking retarded faggot.
based af

>>49640463
Fucking based

Is anyone else noticing that the localmonero.co website is returning nothing but a blank webpage with the word "null" on it?

What happened???

>>49692376
It's up and running for me, and I'm on US VPN. I think I saw on leddit that others were having issues too though.

>>49692376
It works for me.
try adding /buy-monero to the end of the url. For some reason the default site page returns null but the rest of the site is up.

>>49692376
happens to me every once in a while the last week or so

>>49692492
>>49692685
>>49692775
Thanks anons I managed to fix it.

>>49638921
Shitcoin with no legitimate use. Only drug dealers and money launderers use it

>>49692944
>No legit use
>Proceeds to name multiple legit uses
kek, fuck you glowkike

>>49692944
>shitcoins have no legitimate use
>Monero is the only currency people use
See >>49692994

How will Moneroniggers cope when the true king takes the throne?

>>49693568
Won't have to.

>>49693578

Its coming, pedocoiners, there is no future in filth and criminality. Enjoy being outlawed and rendered obsolete.

>>49693568
>>49693679
wtf are these pictures? are these supposed to be memes? what disgusting axe wound tranny thought these would resonate with anyone? no wonder zcash is a failure

>>49693807

Your minds are warped from all the endless Monerochan hentai so you cant appreciate anything else.

Its a big world out there....and Zcash is conquering it.

>>49670451
it's esperanto for the word coin
monero was originally launched as bitmonero
it's literally a bitcoin

>>49693995
This is what brain damage looks like
>>49694127
its what bitcoin should have been

>>49694242

Dont say you werent warned.

>>49694478
you will never be a woman, rope yourself faggot

>>49693568
>>49693679
>>49693995
>>49694478

Zcash memes are so atrociously bad they're actually masterpieces.

>>49694784

Take Marketing 101

>>49693995
Your brain damage seems severe. Can you reach charts? Zcash has literally 0 adoption, transactions are flat for years.

>>49686004
You don't, you take that XMR and buy your groceries direct with vendors. Same way they bought your meat. It's called a circular economy.

>>49693679
what the fucking fuck.
a tranny cow. z trannies literally forcing memes with a tranny cow. The text is some font my sister uses for her powerpoint slides at school.

Imagine. Someone sat. Spent 40 mins to compile those pics. and was like... "yeaaah, that looks great".

>>49695880

Is that tranny shit the best you cucks can do? My sides.

>>49696850
i mean, youre the one posting tranny animals...

>>49696966

Dont you pedos ever get tired of pretending you're badass cypherpunks that will topple the govt lmao

If I buy KYC, is XMR still anon after I transact it?

>>49697276
Yeah. The only issue is that the government will know that you do (or did) have monero. But you can just say you lost it all in a boating accident or something.

>>49697332
Based. One more question: some people say the supply isn't auditable. I read the link in the OP "MuhInflationBug" but I still don't fully understand. What is the difference between key images and Pedersen commitments? Sounds like they both ensure no XMR is created from a transaction AKA a double spend. But this doesn't address how someone could mint new coins without transacting them. Sorry if I sound retarded. Love XMR btw

How do I know that Monero wasn't made by the CIA?

>>49697460
Sorry I'm not smart enough to answer that question desu. I luv monero too.

Still here to wisen you faggots up.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

>>49697901
If I have to buy zcash to make it, I don't wanna make it.

>>49697972

Sick burn.

>>49697972

Why do you hate money?

>>49698055

The tranny shit is old material, grandpa.

>>49698142

Honestly, why do you Z-niggers even bother trying? It must be clear by now that /biz/ and the cryptosphere in general is thoroughly blackpilled on Zcash, it simply ain't happening.

Sure, the tech is interesting but that can and will be cannibalized by other, better projects thus rendering Zcash itself unnecessary.

>>49698438

Its just a matter of waiting for Monero to finally be broken, which it will.

And then Zcash swoops in to take over. :)

>>49688435
Retard coomers like options

Low end of the curb big brains understand FOSS philosophy and why privacy is important.
That's really the biggest issue with monero is that it's based on FOSS and the Free and open source movement and normies don't understand any of that.

>>49693995
>>49693679
>>49693568


>Gotta come onto this general cause no one cares about kike-coin.

>2 MORE DAYS BRO

kek

>>49698543

Wow, you really are brain-damaged lol

>>49698543
Hey zcoin fags what is FOSS and why is it important?

>>49698728

Stop trying to change the subject.

Monero loses to Zcash, that is what it all boils down to.

>>49698847
dude... you are the joke.

>>49699030

Ironically the joke is on you....all of you dimwits.

>>49698728
>>49699224

Optional privacy is superior than mandatory?

NEW THREAD: >>49699830
>NEW THREAD: >>49699830
NEW THREAD: >>49699830
>NEW THREAD: >>49699830

>>49643096
why did so many people hate bitcoin and copepost instead of buying when it was introduced? some people just want endless suffering.
wish i still had that screenshot of some faggots in 2011 whining on a forum that bitcoin is inefficient and will die soon

>>49695358
XMR-accepting Black market grocery stores? Remember that this is the fedcoin future

>>49698438
he's not a ztranny, he's a bored xmr maxi

>>49641282
Sure but it'd be a relatively expensive environment to learn in. You might as well use another evm chain with super cheap fees, I think avax can do this and others (evmos on cosmos?)

wtf how long does a dead cat bounce usually last??