/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>49683410
shutting down production isn't capitalism

>>49683410
literally irrefutable

>record oil jew profits
>”””fair market””””

Lmao ok also kys Twitter poster

>>49683410
capitalism insinuates a free market
we have no free market when the fed can pump the system full of liquidity at the push of a button

>state mandates that the economy shut down
>a year later, state mandates that people can live their lives and operate freely again
>economy is fucked

WTF HOW COULD CAPITALISM DO THIS???

>>49683521
produce your own then! ha!

Government sanctions is not capitalism

>>49683598
If you try, government and competitors will collude to make you shut down. And no, this is not capitalism nor a consequence of capitalism. It's a consequence of having a government and giving them power.

>>49683410
BASED. Pay the fucking market price faggots, and shut the fuck up if you voted for biden

>>49683410
Price fixing interest rates is not capitalism.

based sussy baka Hank

>>49683410
>half of it is tax
>fair market price

>>49683410
Holy shit hank how does that billionaire dick taste in your mouth. God damn Twitter is a disease, makes every idiot think their uninformed opinion is important.

>>49683410
Ok sure just let me start my own pump next door and undercut them...oh wait I cant.
Not real capitalism.

Is that Hank?

>>49683410
>fair market price
>more than 60% of price is taxes
We literally pay VAT over excise tax here. This is not even going into the cronyism shenanigans. Fuck you.

>>49683563
WHAT THE FUCK? I LOVE JEROME POWELL NOW.

>>49683521
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>>49683834

You sound like "real communism was never tried" people. Hilarious.

>>49683410
Doesn't this dude charge people for tiktoks? why is he larping as a socialist online?

>>49683410
Dean Norris is a moron who doesn't even know how to look up porn on the internet

>capitalist countries around the world are infiltrated, subverted and intentionally destroyed from within by (((neomarxists)))
>heh, hows that capitalism working out chuds.
can't wait till these faggots are the first put against the wall by their ideological saviours

>>49683410
>if you love capitalism so much
The only capitalism i see are people reacting to shortages created by wars and retards destroying incentives by fucking with prices.

>>49683545
a sign of autism is not being able to discern clear fucking sarcasm

>>49683598
i grew some wheat and sold it to my neighbor, now i'm being sued for running and unregistered business.

>>49683410
>don't like communism? well too bad it's actually capitalism
amazing

>>49683898
you sound like a real retard

>>49683898
Except market systems are real and i don't need to follow muh dialectics.

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>>49683410

The government owning "Environmentally protected lands" and blocking drilling/piple lines is not capitalism

>>49683521
Capitalism is private ownership of capital, you embarrassing retard.

>>49683957
So you are telling me that these neo-marxists are so smart they made it to the top of the food chain in some corps and became CEOs and high level execs or very high ranking politicians

>>49683898

No, I can just point to a real, discrete thing the government did that caused this situation. It wasn't a free market, it was state interference, many levels of it. You can't follow that up with "the state will fix the issues caused by the state" like these retard socialists. 2 years ago we were saying we need to let the economy stay open to avoid a situation like this.

>>49684062
It’s an extension of capitalism nigger. Capitalism isn’t a black and white state, it's a complex system. You will never be rich

>>49683981
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>>49684005

You guys are a bunch of confused communists. So funny.

>>49684130

They aren't Marxists, they're statists, insofar as the state plays ball with them to trample competition. There's mutual inclusivity but it isn't the same thing.

>>49683410
>artificially lower supply
>>it's the fair market price
fuck off

>>49683410

WHO OWNS THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION IN YOUR COUNTRIES, RETARDS? IS IT PRIVATELY OWNED? YES? CONGRATULATIONS, YOU LIVE IN A CAPITALIST COUNTRY.

Holy shit are you people dumb. Fuck. Just because there are government regulations doesn't mean you don't live in capitalist countries. Fucking hell.

>>49684130
I can't tell if you're joking

He isn't saying fair in that it is ideal, it is fair considering the current situation.

>>49684157
You're a retard who doesn't even know the difference between "socialism dismantling capitalism" and "stop telling people how to allocate resources".

>>49683410
>Make thread on /pol/
>Get btfo
>Move to /biz
>Make exact same bread
You need attention today faggot?

>>49683410
economic illiterates don’t understand we live in a managed economy. one of the core tenets of communism.

>>49683410
Why is a C character actor preaching to me?

>>49683563
What we’re seeing is effectively a form of “state capitalism” where the state prints money in order to buy assets when the market takes a dive. Unfortunately, these infusions of money often pump assets to the moon, then they dive, and Uncle Sam prints off more money.

When one party has unlimited money to buy assets, and they buy assets in order to pump the markets, this disconnects the price of an asset from its fundamentals. When inflation doesn’t tank the market, the stonks go up an average of 6% and inflation is 3% meaning half of the gains effectively come from inflation; Uncle Sam taxes you on all of your gains, even if the only gains you saw came from the inflation caused by Uncle Sam; it’s one of the biggest rackets in history.

>>49684250
>muh reductionism
>makes reductionist analysis
pottery from mao-ngoloids

>capitalism is when the government does stuff

LMFAO
These same subhumans want to give the government and central banks even MORE power.
They get what they fucking deserve.

>>49684372

I like to call it a soft command economy. They're not directing the particulars, but they are creating the headwinds with fiscal policy. It can help, sometimes, it can also create crises.

>>49683410
its funny how people like this are never on the side of 'the people' or common sense

>>49683898
>You sound like "real communism was never tried" people. Hilarious.

Except a real free market has been tried and was incredibly successful lmfao

>>49684457
>Except a real free market has been tried and was incredibly successful lmfao

Where? Somalia?

>>49683595
>issues executive orders that prevent new drilling leases and a pipeline that would expand infrastructure
WTF CAPITALISM NO!!

>>49683410
Sex gifs

>>49684337
It's right in the Manifesto!

>>49684250
>WHO OWNS THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION IN YOUR COUNTRIES, RETARDS? IS IT PRIVATELY OWNED? YES? CONGRATULATIONS, YOU LIVE IN A CAPITALIST COUNTRY.
Then this only means the term is completely irrelevant here because it isn't the main reason things have fucked up.
It's like blaming "breathing" on rapists.
Why are leftists so embarrassingly stupid?

sex figs

>>49684153
>It’s an extension of capitalism nigger.
So communism can actually be capitalism. huh that is so cool

>>49683598
>>49683898
>blaming capitalism for government policy
Are you mentally retarded? You can both live under a capitalist system and experience issues that are caused by government action AT THE SAME TIME.

Is weed being illegal the fault of capitalism too?
So many fucking retards on this board lately.

>>49684572
>>49684337

>>49684490
>Where? Somalia?
America after the civil war until 1913, Canada historically,
Somalia is literally a failed socialist state and has massive government intervention from states like the USA which fund warlords.
Cry harder bootlicker.

>>49684250

Only partially, actually. And those means are heavily regulated and refereed.

We have to pay starvation prices for fuel and food to defeat russia! Biden said so!

>>49684626
>government abolishes private property to do stuff
NO THATS JUST THE GOVERNMENT DOING THINGS NOT COMMUNISM!!!!!

>>49684490

Once upon a time when the USA was just starting out it was a very barebones, limited government framework and it enjoyed its greatest economic successes and growth. An economy can work if the state is content with playing referee, it starts to get fucked when the state decides it wants to manage as well, and profit from the fact.

>>49684626
>not real communism
lmao every time
Marx's ideas, including central banking are what lead to the great depression. It doesn't matter that it wasn't fully socialism.

>>49684250
Use your brain retard. What use is privately owning an oil field if the government doesn't let you exploit it? Label it whatever you want, the issue is not an abstract system, the issue is concrete government policy. Government, a PUBLIC entity. Why is every single communist a fucking retard that needs to be tortured for weeks before execution?

>>49683410
American 60s-80s born liberals need to fucking die already

If you don't support free markets, you are the biggest cuckold on the planet and enjoy wageslaving 80 hour weeks for federal reserve notes.

ITT: semantics games

>>49684677
No, you're misunderstanding socialism. It's very simple.

Government does some stuff, that's socialism. Government does all the stuff, that's communism.

It's right in Das Kapital.

Now suck a dick, you dumb faggot and actually read a book for once, instead of sounding like a conservative boomer.

>>49683410
Based af

>>49684755
Exactly

>>49683521
Learn to drill?

>>49684754

Don't even do them the service of calling them "liberals", they are either "statists" or "leftists". They implicitly agree with anything ever proposed that involves giving the state more power and oversight.

If you hate oil prices so much, you should've bought oil futures.

How are actors so fucking clever?

>>49684776
>Government does some stuff, that's socialism. Government does all the stuff, that's communism.
Nobody cares about your old as fuck marxist memes you bootlicking subhuman.
You're the same people that think every single thing that isn't 100% socialism is automatically capitalism.
You bootlickers need to suffocate.

>>49683898
capitalism is modular you dumbfuck
it's working where present, but not every aspect of the system is a totally free market
if you don't get it, it won't even matter in due time, because people will eventually just do shit without asking the government first and everyone like you will look like a control freak and a retard

when the music stops, nobody fucking cares what you think anymore

>>49684250
>WHO OWNS THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION IN YOUR COUNTRIES
Quite literally the government.
At any time they can shut down anything they want for any reason.

>>49684776
>Government does some stuff, that's socialism.
>Government does all the stuff, that's communism.
When the government acts it is in effect abolishing private property, which is communism.
But by all means keep going off on how real communism has never ever happened.

>>49684776
>>49684874
Nobody gives a fuck.

Socialism/state capitalism/communism in the end you're controlled by a centralized violent entity.

>>49684755
this no doubt

>>49684848
These people need to die dude. We need a cleansing. Too many retards, too much burden.

>>49684848
>>49685019

They've already become something of a joke in the past 5 years. I remember in the 90's and 00's it was way different, they were celebs and heroes. They ruined their own credibility, which really should have never existed since they're literal minstrels, people paid to act like someone else.

>>49683410
You know what else I love? Proper grammar.

>>49683521
Woah what a retard

why is twitter such a cesspit?

>>49683410
capitalism
died on aug 15 1971! You are being robbed at the pump, by the government amd the FED.

>>49685065
These court jesters need to be reminded of their status

>>49684698
>Marx's ideas, including central banking are what lead to the great depression. It doesn't matter that it wasn't fully socialism.

Actually, right before the Great Depression, the gold standard was reintroduced in Britain and many parts of the world. It was then removed to reintroduce stimulus spending when everything nuked.

Do you not know about the Long Depression, anon? When William Jennings Bryan said, "we will not be crucified on a cross of gold" to adoring farmers and workers at the Democratic Nomination? Why do you think that was? Must have been some psyops, because the gold standard is automatically good and natural. Always optimal.

>>49684874
Listen, it's really simple. Government = socialism. Capitalism is always good, anon. It definitely hasn't created a global leveling and race to the bottom as profits evaporate and we have to rely more and more on financialization and ponzis to survive, as politics is reduced to inter-elite competition among a more and more concentrated global class that has no relation to 99% of society.

But let's just pump this ponzi, I want to get out as much as you do and go live somewhere relaxing. Already made fat stacks this bull run.

Just don't forget, this whole economy is a ponzi, with or without muh gubermit.

>>49685065
Half of these badasses turned into commieblobs

>>49685104
For the same reason Reddit and 4chan are — it’s where the most alienated, demoralized, attention-seeking people on the planet come together with the shortest amount of time between thought and reaction. It is a dopamine button that promises relief from their crushing existential pain, but instead traps them inside an oceanic echo chamber of negativity.

>>49685104
That's what happens when you give retards muh free speech rights. There is no point, these people have become a burden on the market and society, they need to die.

>>49683410
The bourgeoisie are becoming arrogant again.

ATTENTION RETARDS

Capitalism is LITERALLY the natural state of affairs.
You are your mind (ego).
And your capital is your body.
This is how you start and end life.
IT'S INGRAINED IN YOU.
IT IS YOU.
They want you to hate yourself.

The problem is always force and violations of your rights.
Not "capitalism". You are being taught to hate yourself if you hate "capitalism."

And yes, women start with more capital than you.
Pussies are highly valuable.
Dicks, not so much.
This is why inceldom and communism are so closely tied.

>>49685252

Arnie and Jesse Ventura are very sad examples of that. Just a reminder that there really isn't a tough, proud man inside there just a piece of clay for smarter/more powerful men to mold to their will.

>>49685259

4chan at least allows diversity of thought. Twitter was fun once, before it became a heavily moderated and censored echo chamber and witch hunting league. No I'm not bothered by seeing a different opinion, I'm bothered by having mine deplatformed and silenced.

>>49683410
very very low iq strawman argument

>>49685156
>the gold standard was reintroduced in Britain and many parts of the world
It wasn't an actual gold standard, it was a highly manipulated version of it.
The great depression happened because the fed printed a bunch of money in the 20s leading to a massive boom which crashed in 29, then the hoover/FDR administrations massively increased government intervention which basically shut down the economy for 10+ years.
The most detailed book on the depression was written by rothbard who explains this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Great_Depression
>Long Depression
It was mostly a myth. Prices fell as wages rose during this period.
The only reason it happened was due to other forms of government intervention in banking. This era had a lot of intervention by the state while not having a central bank.
https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Panics

>"we will not be crucified on a cross of gold"
Libertarians don't want a government enforced gold standard, we want a free market in money.

>Listen, it's really simple. Government = socialism. Capitalism is always good, anon.
Actually yes haha. This but unironically.
>It definitely hasn't created a global leveling and race to the bottom as profits evaporate and we have to rely more and more on financialization and ponzis to survive
Central banking and government intervention did that.
Historic free market periods resulted in a massive economic boom, lower prices etc etc.
>concentrated global class
100% the fault of the state
>But let's just pump this ponzi,
It's hilarious that leftists like you are the ones that support artificially pumping the economy through monetary stimulus lol

>>49685298
>bourgeoisie

>>49684660
So capitalism only works on under developed nations, like the USA pre-WWI. Got it.

>>49684898
>when the music stops, nobody fucking cares what you think anymore
Based. Commies need to shut the fuck up.

>>49683521
fpbp. All the retarded communists replying to this. holy fuck they're stupid.

>>49685368
Agreed. Twitter and Reddit people take themselves so fucking seriously that it’s painful. Whereas 4chan, while definitely home to some broken souls, is at least anonymous and brutally honest.

>>49683521
you're not entitled to other people's labor, commie scum

>>49685565
commies literally have no understanding of history.

>>49685616
See the last line of my comment here >>49685326

>>49685565
USA was a backwater agrarian shithole back then, capitalism is what industrialized it and turned it into the powerhouse of the world.
Cry harder.

>>49685616
It's remarkable how dumb they are.
They think hunter gatherer societies were communist as well lol

>>49685616

Starting with the fact that "capitalism" isn't some kind of deliberately conceived economic paradigm that requires implementation or state-mandated enforcement. It just is. It's the natural state of an economy. A free market. The word was conceived to describe "not-socialism" as that paradigm, and associated paradigms, were getting developed. They're the ones who cheerlead a broken, manmade theory, the thing they like to boogeyman isn't even real. "Rich people existing" isn't an economic paradigm.

>>49685156
Meh, what libertarians seeks is free banking rather than a gold standard meme anyways.

Currencies should compete as well.

>>49685746
This.
People think libertarians want a gold standard.
No.
They want freedom which in most of their opinions would likely lead to a gold standard.

I actually think with modern technology it would not.
But regardless. It's a strawman to pick at libertarians for that.

>>49683521
fpbp why are leftists gay fucking retarded niggers

Reminder that leftists SUPPORT central banking and massive money printing, then cry when the stock market is in a bubble and they cannot afford a house.

>>49685704
I am a collector of old dictionaries.
From 1700 up to now I have generally.
Prior to 1900 "capitalist" just mean "someone with capital".
"Profit" only meant "to gain". NOTHING SPECIFIC TO MONETARY.

I, as an honest person, profit all the time without making money.
They LOVE using language as a weapon because midwits (commies) don't realize what is happening.

>>49685808
Gold standard or not curencies MUST COMPETE, like everything else.

Competition is essential in market economies, it ensures banks won't fuck up with interest rates and print infinite money without people moving out to another currency.

>>49683521

80% of the replies need to go back to Rebbit.

>>49685900
>>49685746
Based

>>49685704
Yup, read mises' theory of money and credit. Coomies just don't understand how people work and engage in a society, their dogmatic and irrational belief in Equality alone paralyses them completely. This is why there is simply nothing as "socialist/communist" economy, because the coomies simply can't take the first step, All Economy is Capitalist, mises explained this first thing in his book.

The right has successfully re-initiated the red scare the same way the left has successfully re-initiated the war against Hitler. Nobody said a fucking word about nazis or communist prior to 2016, now everything is fascism/nazis or socialism/communism. Bash the fash! Hang the commies! You are all retarded, and worse, fucking tools.

it is fair market price for gas but I dont really care about ukranians...so? Maybe we should not give a fuck about things happening millions of miles away.

>>49683410
Why are, all you ladies not on your bicycle?

>>49683410
>Sanction a big oil producer while not allowing your own industry to dig it up
>capitalism has failed

>>49686024
>The right has successfully re-initiated the red scare
Good. We need to go hardcore with it until all of the communists are irradiated. The amount of actual unironic marxist-leninists on the internet now is insane.

>>49685968
>Yup, read mises' theory of money and credit.
Based

>>49685968
>This is why there is simply nothing as "socialist/communist" economy
Exactly THIS, you're not doing yourself any favor when you engage in semantics games like socialists usually do. In a planned economy evrything is owned by the state, and controlled by a tiny group of individuals, unlike free markets where people allocate resources by themselves.

>>49683410
I fucking despise Capitalism and demand a return to pre usury Medievalism

>>49684660
>America after the civil war until 1913, Canada historically,
America post civil war was comically protectionist and lmao on Canada being anything but another part of the British empire until post-WW1.

>>49686115
It's funny because most of the oil producers worldwide are STATE OWNED

>>49686145
Enjoy living in poverty because you're an economic illiterate brainwashed by ideology.

>>49683975
That's literally not illegal unless you're avoided taxes and you made that up lmao

>>49683410
Half the price in my country is just taxes
So yeah I'm get robbed blind

>>49683975
you should have sold it on ebay

>>49685850
Leftists have no understanding of Economy, Markets, Banking or Monetary system, All they want is muh "Equality", that's what they sell to their voters, or let's say "comrads", their whole policy is centred around destroying or inhibiting the economy because it's a source of Inequality, this is why they always lead to mass shortage.

>>49686154
>muh protectionist
Most nations were protectionist back then. It didn't matter too much because international trade was expensive.
Aside from that, internally, they had the freest markets on earth.
Actually Canada too was extremely free market and this is when they industrialized.
>another part of the British empire until post-WW1.
SO? LOL

>>49686211
They enjoy wageslaving for long hours. It's unironically their policies that make workers work longer than they have to.

>>49683410
We must return to regarding actors as belonging to the lowest strata of society as the ancient Greeks did.

>>49683410
Pay income tax on wage, pay tax on vehicle when buying and when servicing, tax when buying maintenance items, tax to keep on road each year, icing on the cake is the tax on every gallon of petrol. Nah man it's just capitalism.
>see we are a gang and if you don't pay us we will arrest you and throw you in prison. If you resist arrest we kill you. Simple

Everyone ITT needs to watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKUeDDAN8mY

>>49683921
What do you mean?

>>49685850
>Reminder that leftists SUPPORT central banking and massive money printing, then cry when the stock market is in a bubble and they cannot afford a house.

Everyone in crypto was cheering more money printing, you dumb faggot. It made me 7 figs.

>>49683563
it's called state capitalism faggot. just because it has the word "capitalism" somewhere, doesn't mean it has a free market.

>>49686381
Appreciated.

>>49683410
gas prices are too much of a monopoly they never go down even if oil is like 40 bucks. so they use excuse high oil price to drag prices
to sky high. governments should regulate gas prices

>>49686735
You will like Praxben too.

https://www.tiktok.com/@praxben
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyUa016YoiY3cExu1mYDU6g

These niggas too, to a lesser extent.

https://www.youtube.com/c/MentisWave
https://www.youtube.com/c/lockoutdays

>>49684611
>Is weed being illegal the fault of capitalism too?
Oh boy. Who's gonna tell him?

>>49686381
Ancaps are incredibly retarded and the type of price speculation is what we would actually see happening every day under some lame ancap fever dream. Even if this is true it is still a statement fundamentally detached from reality because the world still runs on oil and prices need to be kept artificially low so that the economy can actually function.

Under an ancap feudal system only the absolute rich would be able to afford to get to work and everyone else would be shit out of luck and the labor market would collapse, kek.

Until the monopoly took over and hiked prices even further, that is. kys ancap retard

>>49686772
>governments should regulate gas prices
So you want massive shortages and lineups, why?
Price controls don't work. Anyone who advocates them needs a bullet in the head.
The government made gas more expensive by printing money and restricting supply growth.
Now you want to make the problem worse?

Also most gas companies are STATE OWNED you absolute moron.

>>49686687
There's no difference between the state and capitalism under capitalism they are one and the same and nothing would really fundamentally change under some wild ancap utioipa. Read the shock doctrine retard and go to chili if you want to live in some ancap retard paradise. Or, how about somolia?

ancaps what a state decentralized and controlled by the rich they just don't call it a state.

>>49683690
>lolberts still believe in muh perfect free market
adorable
reminder that your kind got laughed out of /pol/ (lmao) because even they thought you were too retarded

>>49686834
>Price controls don't work

Except they have for the last 40 years on oil, kek. Cope.

>>49686216
>Aside from that, internally, they had the freest markets on earth.
That's not what free trade is then. At least that's not what's shilled and fought over when it's brought up in the modern day. And honestly, I doubt such a statement is true. Internal trade rarely has barriers and is the entire point of the mercantilist systems which proceeded modern trade as we know it. It's why you have shit like the Zollervern in Germany to simulate internal trade as if they were one country.
>SO? LOL
They didn't have a free market then. They were a part of what was essentially the beginning of the global market so for all intents and purposes they were essentially riding on the coattails of the #1. That tells us little about their economy or trading schemes.

>>49683898
No, nigger dogshit stuck to my boot. Real capitalism was tried, and it was so successful that lazy scum like you have been leaching off of the savings it generated for generations. Chew glass.

>>49686795
>Oh boy. Who's gonna tell him?
Nobody, because he's right.
Capitalism isn't "when the government does stuff".

>>49686833
>d the type of price speculation is what we would actually see happening every day under some lame ancap fever dream
KEK WHAT?
How fucking dumb are you?
These massive bubbles only occur due to central banking and other forms of government intervention.
Historic free markets had DEFLATION, prices constantly fell.

> prices need to be kept artificially low
The government is making them artificially high.
I want them ACUTALLY low.

>ancap feudal system
This literally makes zero sense. Stop getting your ideas from adam something.

> only the absolute rich would be able to afford to get to work
How? Prices for consumer goods would be constantly falling. In historic free markets, the worker's living standards constantly improved.
What the fuck makes you think it would be magically different this time?

>Until the monopoly took over and hiked prices even further, that is. kys ancap retard
>MUH MONOPOLIES
Ancaps have refuted this a trillion times.

>>49686381
Ancapistan like all forms of An anything is fundamentally retarded so no thank you.

>>49683410

Last time i checked their fake president had lowest approval rate, and the word in the street is even worst. If this shit happened when trump was president u would see riots and the media would be 24/7 on his ass

>>49686934
*leeching suck my dick

>>49686780
I'm not touching tiktok, but i'll check out the others with pleasure, thanks anon.

>>49686903
>Except they have for the last 40 years on oil, kek. Cope.
No they haven't lmao.
Prices have been high for 40 years. They could have been even lower.
Your precious state makes them high.
Bootlicker cope.

>>49686882
kek it's not our fault /pol/ is absolutely braindead now
Libertarians have been proven correct. Inflation is real.
Cry more bitch nigga

>>49686833
This post is drooling retarded and I'm not an ancap.
Nothing you say logically follows at all.

>>49683521
actually under capitalism a company is supposed to control supply to maximize profits

>>49684372
The more I learn about the switch to fiat the more I feel like it was just a rug pull so they could do what you just mentioned, decouple value from price.

>>49686881
>Read the shock doctrine retard
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Naomi Klein is a marxist brainlet that has no idea what she's talking about.
It's you bootlickers that love the state.
Free markets means statelessness.

>somolia
A FAILED socialist state?

>>49686907
>That's not what free trade is then.
We said free markets, not free trade.
Common people think of these terms differently.
>Internal trade rarely has barriers
There's no way you're actually this dumb.
Taxes, regulations, property rights restrictions are not barriers?

>They didn't have a free market then.
Bullshit.
They essentially did. The fact they were owned by UK is irrelevant.

>>49686941
>Ancapistan like all forms of An anything is fundamentally retarded so no thank you.
Then why was it so successful historically?

French Acadia
American Midwest during 1800s.
Cospaia 400 years
Free Frisia 700 years
Neutral Moresnet 100 years
Ancient Ireland 2000 years
Medieval Iceland 400 years
African Tribes using the Xeer legal system to this day
The San
Zomia current day population: 150 million
Cheran Mexico current day

>>49686903
Oh i see, i appreciate the overinflated prices culminating with the current bullshit 10x.

Why do anti-Libertarians repeat the same refuted dumb strawman arguments over and over and over?

Get new material.

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>>49686600
No shit retard, your bags came from the retard normies that FOMOed in with free government stimmy money. What are you even trying to say here?

Ancap has worked historically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSFggz9fhGw

>>49684417
The extreme version of Clown World Timeline is when they will create a Running Man show full of exactly the liberal retards who spawned all this Hell onto us all by giving the Satanigger governments too much power and the other liberal faggots will watch and applaud unaware that they are awaiting their turns.

>>49687127
>French Acadia
Existed as long as the French state wanted it to exist and as soon as the English JUSTed them there it died.
>American Midwest during 1800s.
Was not Ancapistan in the slightest having laws, taxes and constant government oversight even if sometimes spotty.
>Cospaia 400 years
Literally 14 families in total by the 1800s and probably less at the start. Never mind it was essentially protected by the Papacy for free.
>Neutral Moresnet 100 years
Was a Germano-Dutch-Belgian condominium and had a government.
>Ancient Ireland 2000 years
This is the one that makes me seethe the most because I'm Irish and it's not true. The fact you called it "Ancient Ireland" and not Brehon law tells me you don't even fully remember the list you're quoting most of these names from. Rothbard where these examples come from was a decent economist I'll give him that but a dogshit historian. Brehon Ireland infamously had multitudes of kings who all enforced laws as given by the Brehons for civil proceedings but like any state were freely able to decide criminal law themselves. They also enforced taxes and tribute and most of those kingdoms would also pay tribute and tax upwards to their superior kings like any other lord and vassal system on the continent. It was in no way anarchist and most certainly didn't last for 2000 years either. The Celts in the first place only arrive in the 400BC and Brehon law as we know it most likely emerged post-Christianisation.
>Medieval Iceland 400 years
Not at all anarchist. The Things were a good representation of communal rule I'll give you but all still recognised the kings of Norway and paid his tax collectors when they came to collect. They were also still subject to his laws (that he found worth it to enforce).
>African Tribes using the Xeer legal system to this day
The Somali are who use it and it has nothing to do with anarchism unless you're saying English Common Law is anarchistic.
>The San
Literal hunter-gatherers.
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>>49687736
>>49687127
>Zomia
A highly contested term whose communities don't actually self-regulate but more don't necessarily march to the beat of their central powers' drums. There have been kings and lords nearby or in the region who rule over and extract tax from them. And said central powers often did straight up come in and laid down the law as needed most notably the fact that all are tax-paying solider-providing regions of their modern-day countries.
>Cheran Mexico current day
>Cherán is noted for its unique style of government that followed a 2011 civil uprising over local concerns about corruption and crime. The area is now treated as a self-ruling indigenous community, largely free of federal intervention.
A glorified native reserve without the slots machines. They still all pay tax and are all beholden to Mexico's federal laws.

>>49687101
>We said free markets, not free trade.
Mea culpa.
>Common people think of these terms differently.
Then there has not been any post-1800s power in existed who maligns free internal markets that aren't a straight-up communist.
>Taxes, regulations, property rights restrictions are not barriers?
No, they aren't and if they are "post-civil war America" had them too and so did Canada.

>Socialist faggots steal an election and tank the economy in record time
>Blame capitalism
yeah I don't think a single person is falling for that, jew

>>49683545
People like you might be the most deluded out there. You're the type of person who refuses to believe in the evils of capitalism and instead attributes everything that goes wrong to the actions of a small group of people linked by a nebulous identity that doesn't even mean much anymore. What's wrong with the world is the banal everyday exploitation implicit to capitalism, there is no wild conspiracy, there is no one in charge of it directing the whole thing from behind a curtain, it is a system and the way we organize labor and what that does to our conception of value and our motivations to produce things

>>49683898
wow you are retarded

>>49683410
>my name is Isaac Shoah and if you love capitalism then you can go fuck yourself
what did vince gilligan meme by this?

>>49684250
finally someone who gets it

>>49683410
theres a reason why this guy is typecast to play dumb meatheads

>>49683563
>IT'S NOT REAL CAPITALISM!

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>>49688043
>You're the type of person who refuses to believe in the evils of capitalism
There's nothing evil in capitalism, this alone contraddicts materialism even from the marxist point of view.
>and instead attributes everything that goes wrong to the actions of a small group of people linked by a nebulous identity that doesn't even mean much anymore
I don't care about jews, but the state is powerful enough to wreck voluntary economic transaction thanks to violence.
>What's wrong with the world is the banal everyday exploitation implicit to capitalism, there is no wild conspiracy
I actually agree with this, but defining capitalism as a system like socialists do is absurd, you're just ignoring the tendency of expansionism that leads every living being out there.

>>49684250
Based

>>49688550
I mean, i agree about there's no wild conspiracy, not that exploitation is debatable.

>>49688550
I mean, i agree about there's no wild conspiracy, but exploitation is debatable.

>>49683410
>proceeds to try and arrest walter white for capitalistically selling meth at a fair market price

Communism has nothing to do with the state. It just so happens that the state was the apparatus historically used to transfer power and wealth from the greedy lazy entitled bourgeois to the common people. It's just that the power transfer never occurred. You'd figure if you risked your poo yanky to get all this political power why would you transfer it to the commoners who own nothing? It has failed every time, because it puts too much trust in the state apparatus to do the power transfer to people who actually do all the useful shit instead of pampered rich useless eaters. Instead of communism in its ideal you get a brutal kleptocracy. The goal of Marxism is noble, the way we get there is what the problem is, if we can at all.

>>49683521
You’re arguing against a Twitter post. Stop.

>>49683898
How much are they paying you to shill this?

>>49683521
fpbp commie redditfags fuck off. admin shut down everything this year get lubed and ready for +50% by the end of fall.

>>49683410
If Biden didn’t cancel those 10s of thousands of oil drilling leases gas prices wouldn’t have been as nearly as bad as they are now.

>>49683545
>record profits
>XLE goes down on a green day
Explain this

>>49683410
Correct. We were robbed when they printed the excess liquidity thats causing the inflation, not robbed when we spend the inflated currency.

>>49686381
I will now watch ancap propaganda for the first time

>>49683410
Gas prices and the fact that people are still willing to buy it at such a high prices is just and indicator of how dependent on cars everyone is. Build more trains.

>>49688724
>90% of the post is rethorical bullshit

>>49683898
Moving towards real capitalism requires more freedom. Moving towards real communism requires less freedom.

>>49686436
>sex gifs

>>49688887
Explain? Why should I have to suck your dick because you woke up first and collected all the coconuts on the island we were both stranded on? Capitalism is like saying sucking wrinkly boomer Penis is based because it was a "voluntary" transaction.

>>49688887
We are basically left with might is right, and are you sure you want that way? Pay up chump. Coercion and monopolizing scarce resources is already an aggression. Then it just becomes about who has the bigger cannons. Which is based.

>>49683410
there's no fair market price in a controlled, corporate-socialist economy.

>>49689483
>Why should I have to suck your dick
Hey, that's your problem.
>because you woke up first and collected all the coconuts on the island we were both stranded on?
Except it's not how capitalism works, finding new ways to increase efficiency is rewarded and "not take all the shit first" or whatever the fuck are you thinking about.

Also it's getting late here, i may not respond to you anymore.

>>49689563

Which is the end game of "muh free market". If I had vast money from my great grandfather's fur trading business, why wouldn't I put large portions of it to become a Czar?

>>49689637
Capitalism is literally boomerism, and sorry no, I refuse to suck boomer cock like you do.

>>49689545
>We are basically left with might is right, and are you sure you want that way?
Isn't this how evolution works anyways?
>Coercion and monopolizing scarce resources is already an aggression
Yes, it's called statism.

>>49689707
Nobody asked you to suck cocks, you latent homosexual.

>>49689637
It's in the word "capitalism" rule by those who hold the most "capital", not necessarily those of most merit which is a nice front, but couldn't be further from the truth. Literally hoard all the shit, so basically be forced to suck boomer cock and be in this curious form of self deception that it is "voluntary", top kek.

>>49689752
You would know more about it than me? Your daddy owns a large farm huh? top kek

>>49689648
>im gonna fund a miliary and overtake the world from my grampa's fur trading business
you display pristine understanding of how both the economy and the state works.

>>49689826
That is literally no joke how it works, what do you think these large (multinationals) do? It is the natural consequence of having absurd amounts of wealth.

that fat fuck wouldn't be fat and a week away for a triple bypass if there wasn't capitalism lmao

>>49683521
Capitalism means people who own capital can decide to do whatever the fuck they want with their own capital. If they wanted to burn their entire supply of oil and pump more just to burn it, they have the right if they own the capital. If you think they have some kind of quasi obligation to the market, you're thinking of socialism where natural resources are owned by the populace and a certain profit is allowed to those who extract it.

>>49689774
>It's in the word "capitalism" rule by those who hold the most "capital"
And i don't give a fuck about your semantics.
>not necessarily those of most merit which is a nice front
They wouldn't be rich in the first place if you think managing a company is that simple.
>still obsessed with sucking cocks

>>49689910
>Managing a company is that simple
Your daddy owns a big farm huh? Keep sucking his dick faggot.

>>49685368
examples of your diverse thoughts?

>>49689910
>You wouldn't be rich in the first place
Let's just forget about financial shenanigans which are the natural consequence of a (competitive) system. Just admit it in that case, Jews are the Master Race.

>>49689949
Keep talking about sucking cocks, that's probably what you do with your comrades day and night, as well as having no arguments and shitting rethorics.

>>49689908
in socialism, those working for the state have those right. yet they don't do it even though they're dishonest shit people compared to those who earned their power by merit. people cannot work on anything they want, true innovation comes only when people work on what they feel is right. in a free economy the world would balance out within a few decades and truly shit people would be left powerless. it just doesn't work in statism because merit has nothing to do with who gets in position of control

>>49690011
Daddy farm boy. I have nothing to say to you. Of course you want cheap slaves for your plantation project.

>>49689993
Sone serious brain damage right here.

>>49690011
Do to bed early, you got pigs to feed, and cock to suck.

>>49690056
For telling it how it is? If being in a (competitive) system is based, then Jews Are The Master Race. Simple. If you don't want to have a real conversation that is on you.

>>49690034
>makes assumption after assumption
>resorting to mockery
>talks about jews out of context
Alright, have fun with your auto-fellatio retarded mongoloid, i'm done arguing with manchildren who never took a lesson in economics in their life.

>>49690143
(competition) is based. From that follows that Jews ARE THE MASTER RACE? Simple. I don't understand your beef? If might is right, then you deserve to be a kike's slave, simple as stated. If you want to have a real conversation, stop being supporting piece of shit slave systems based on coercion disguised as "voluntary".

>>49690195
back you go >>>/pol/

Good night and fucking kill yourself impulsive nigger.

>>49690247
I'm having fun tickling your butthole tho. Clearly you like it, considering you still haven't gone to bed son.

>>49684157
communists are a bunch of confused libertarians
anarchists are a bunch of confused nazis
nazis are a bunch of confused anarchists
libertarians are a bunch of confused communists
Everyone is confused!

Simple, capitalism is not a true meritocracy. It is a shitty pay to win game that people with large inheritances try to convince us otherwise that it is (voluntary) (fair) (balanced). Communism has its heart in the right place, but has always failed because it puts too much trust in (the state) to initiate power and wealth transfer.

>>49690026
Ah, you are an extremist who doesn't recognize that any system will always be a compromise and composite of different systems and ideas. A socialist state doesn't mean there is zero free market. It simply means there is oversight to ensure bad actors do not harm innocent people. Merit still plays a role in the market, but the law exists to stop things like price gouging through the recognition that naturally occurring resources should not be monopolized by those who hole the most capital.

>>49687902
You have too much faith in the electorate, anon. Every democratic system (republics included, but to a lesser extent) always gets the governance it deserves

>>49690441
>A socialist state doesn't mean there is zero free market. It simply means there is oversight to ensure bad actors do not harm innocent people.
Do you have anything to back this up?

>>49684772
really tho its so tiring I bet a commie and a libertarian can't even agree on what the definition of state is...

>>49690553
Specify the exact evidence you would require to satisfy your question.

>>49690553
Just admit it, honkey, in your little slave cartel world, kikes are the bigger shark with the even bigger dick.

>>49690585
>Specify the exact evidence you would require to satisfy your question.
A socialist state that doesn't abuse its people would be a good start

>>49687026
And if they shut down production demand will go up and a competitor will come along and replace them. Unless the government gets in the way which is why you’re paying so much for gas right now. And that’s not even accounting for the artificial demand created by money printer go brrrrr

>>49690624

None.
It can be a peaceful transfer, but honestly Ayn Randists that ironically get on welfare deserve to get raped by a pack of wild violent niggers.


"You Get What You Fucking Deserve" -Joker

>>49684772
I am still undefeated.
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>>49687895
The cowards ran away.
>>49690578
Yeah lol. I always try to start all opinion-sperg internet discussions with definitions because I realised early on that that's what held most discussions up.
CAPTCHA: SVJ00

>>49690624
I suspect that any state that I mention which has socialist qualities (Norway's state ownership of oil, for example) would be dismissed somehow by your mental gymnastics

>>49690696
Also, I changed from a mobile hotspot to a router.

>>49683410

Damn people are memory-hole stupid. Crazy it's almost like 3 months ago the media and administration went on a campaign saying

"It's worth it"

to higher gas prices.. Can't let people remember that.. Now it's capitalism's fault. It an administration that is either hell-bent on demand destruction or just too fucking stupid to be running the country.

>>49690624
My grandfather from my mom's side was a fantastically wealthy man, he even built his own house before it got washed away by the river.

Even I, after experience how cucked it is to be a poorfag in this country can tell you with a straight face, caputolism is not the right way.

>>49690441
except the people who get in the 'oversight' position are filtered to be the most vile actors of all.

>>49690721
So by a socialist state you mean a mixed economy?

>>49683410
Wake me up when we actually try Free Market Capitalism. Pic Rel is a King Kike Kong. Probably smell like Ron Pearlman’s dirty tidy-whities.

Also:
>Norway's state ownership of oil, for example
We already stated in the thread that oil is heavily regulated everywhere, and that doesn't mean it's not abusing people with prices higher than what it would be normally.

>>49683521
Fpbp.

"It doesn't matter whether a cat is white or black, as long as it catches mice" -Deng Xiaoping

CCP Based

You might think this is against my argument considering that he was in support of freer markets in cumyunist China, but I think this level of based thinking can get us out of the rut. Fix the (money) make it rewarding to go to (work). Simple steps like that. Otherwise you get what you fucking deserve, when normies can't feed their babies or have enough (money) to get gas to go to work like a good goy.

> Banks borrow from the Fed at rock-bottom interest rates
> Banks invest the Borrowed money in real assets growing more than the inflation rate
> Normal people borrow from the banks at sky-high kikery rates

Ansoc commies can't differentiate between free-market capitalism and Keynesian fraud.

>>49684250
You;re barking at the wrong tree. That's too much for burgers to handle.

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>>49691051
Because there is no ideal system that follows the tenets word for word. It is all mixed and blended proportions of both Capitalism and Marxism. Because neither work in isolation. One is too oppressive to poorfags and the other is too oppressive to richfags. It really is that simple. So it better to think of it as a spectrum and I think these richfags need to be BTFO a little bit.

>>49683521
Capitalism is a method of monetary policy that enriches Jews so is communism, both are Jewish and benefit Jews, Jews are scared of systems that exclude them from profiteering such as national socialism or what Gandaffi did

>burgers get their political takes from washed out tv actors

>>49691136
Based

>>49690764
You let a guy like Joe Biden borrow your sports car when you want to total it for the insurance money when you are underwater on the loan.

That’s what the Globalists are doing with the USA, totaling it as we are the last citizenry that could actually stop their plans, but we won’t because 95% are too stupid to know what’s even going on.

>>49691136
12 years not a slave.

>>49683975
Should have donated it and he could donate something of equal value to you. Clown World requires Clown Tactics.

>>49691238

>How I wake up knowing my enemies are ontologically evil and there is no act against them which is wrong.

Ironic, coming from Patrick Bateman's mouth.

>>49691124
>So it better to think of it as a spectrum and I think these richfags need to be BTFO a little bit.

So don't let the richfags borrow money at artificially low interest rates and eliminate government policies that provide them with subsidies, tax breaks, preferential treatment, etc...

Crony capitalism (which is what the US currently exhibits) is only oppressive to the poor because the rich co-opt the government to rig the system in their favor.

>>49691238
12 years deluded into thinking you are not a slave. You have no agency over (wealth) representation and distribution and you are not a slave? Top kek.

>>49683410
>They're MINERAL OILS Marie!

>>49691549
Bingo! Which is the natural consequence of having absurd amounts of (money) to buy nasty goons and bribe politicians. I think we are making progress here.

>>49691238
Ontological evil is based if you are the (emperor), the world is literally your lab and the rats your play things. They fuck too much? Euthanize them.

>TFW we are literally in a human slaughterhouse and there isn't an unstoppable angry mob of people driving fire trucks into Goldman Sachs.

>>49691238
>Everyone gets mystery jab which has no clinical studies

Nero n (frens) would be proud.

>>49683410
based

>>49690026
I genuinely dont follow you here. What powers to state workers have in socialism and why don't they use them?

>>49683410
Sex gifs

>>49683410
What a retard

Has little to do with "capitalism," more like "free market," The US is hardly a completely free market when one side of the equation in most transactions, the dollar, is centrally controlled by the government.

>teehee it's my turn to kiss the government's ass on twitter for good goy points because they fucked YOU over this time instead of ME
The state of political discourse in this country is fucking nauseating.

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Ok, here are yours (You)s. Now get the fuck outta my board you nigger lovers.

>>49691051
There is no "free-market capitalism". There is no "Keynesian fraud". There are only people who do what they think is best for them. You can call it whatever you want, it doesn't matter, what matters is what we as people do about it.

>>49693640
>the dollar, is centrally controlled by the government.
What does this even mean? The fed is private.

>>49684527

>i-its only a free market when the common man benefits too!
Yeah, and it's only socialism when every proletariat owns their own porsche, fucking retard commies lmao.

>>49691891
IMAGINE being anti-ancap
Why do you enjoy working 80 hour weeks wageslaving? lmao
Ancaps have been proven right time and time again.

>>49696420
>Ancaps have been proven right time and time again.

>>49683410
> Brandon shuts down new pipeline
> Signs executive orders to fuck energy industry
> Puts backfiring sanctions on Russia
> "HEH, THIS IS JUST CAPITALISM, CHUD"
You, each day I believe Bezmenov more and more. These "people" are trying to bring us to crisis so that they can begin Normalization. This is a classic communist trick. They've crashed the economy, and now they're blaming the system for their own misdeeds.

>>49687736
> as soon as the English JUSTed them there it died.
So?
More states have been killed off by other states than anarchist areas. I guess that means your precious statism doesn't work.
Why do you advocate for a failed system?
>Was not Ancapistan in the slightest
fucking LMAO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSFggz9fhGw
>laws
Yes, holy fuck. You have no idea what anarchism even means. There are laws in ancap.
>taxes
There were no taxes. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>Literally 14 families in total by the 1800s and probably less at the start.
What? It was a massive trading area with a decently large population. It wasn't just a few families.
>Was a Germano-Dutch-Belgian condominium and had a government.
It was a stateless legal order, but cope.
>Brehon Ireland infamously had multitudes of kings who all enforced laws as given by the Brehons for civil proceeding
Ancaps never say it was ancap. Just that it was a proto-ancap stateless legal order. They had polycentric law, not a monopoly on law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycentric_law
>Not at all anarchist.
It was somewhat anarchist, not perfectly. It was a polycentric legal system.
>>49687825
>A glorified native reserve
kek
so your only critique is that it's small, not that it didn't work
>They still all pay tax
Nope.
>Mexico's federal laws.
Nope.
>>49687895
>No, they aren't
They are.
They're the things we are talking about here.
A free market is a the absence of these things. A relatively free market would have a very minimal amount of these things.
>"post-civil war America" had them too and so did Canada.
They almost had none of these things. Compare the legal system back then to today and cry about it.

>>49690696
>The cowards ran away.
I'm still here.
Cope statecuck.

>>49696420
The reason why people are anti-ancap is that you delude yourself into thinking that in your society you'd be on top. You would have died as a child in the salt mines.

>>49696420
based

Democrats must be terrified of midterms if they're getting celebrities to gaslight this hard about inflation.

>>49688043
>refuses to believe in the evils of capitalism
Because "capitalism" didn't cause this, the state did.
Why is this incredibly simple fact of reality lost on you.
Do you blame breathing on people getting raped?
Do you blame gravity when you trip and fall?
What is the actual CAUSE of these problems?

>>49688205
>capitalism is when the government does stuff

>>49688724
>The goal of Marxism is noble
No it really isn't.
Destroying productivity and giving to those who didn't earn it is immoral.

>>49689648
>free market is when the government does stuff
this is how dumb you people are

>>49689707
>refuse to suck boomer cock
you're the boomer lmao
you support central banking and government
why do you retards enjoy wageslaving 80 hour weeks for federal reserve notes?

Powerful

Sigh.
There goes another meme celebrity who turned out to be a tremendous faggot.

>>49689774
>Literally hoard all the shit,
They don't hoard anything you fucking moron lmao
money is not resources, it's just a medium of exchange.
The rich save money which means they are NOT consuming resources, leaving it in the economy for everyone else to consume

The working class receives 99% of consumer goods in the economy. Taking their wealth and spending it will not change this, it will just cause shortages and price increases.

>>49689874
It's a consequence of state power.

>>49690436
>Communism has its heart in the right place,
You very likely have brain damage and/or enjoy licking boots if you believe this.

>>49690578
Monopoly on law.

>>49690773
Gas yourself commie.

>>49696645
>You would have died as a child in the salt mines.
>MUH CHILD LABOR!
Economical development (more with less) can only been achieved via capitalism (Property + Ability to exchange goods).
In the places of the world where "child labor" still exist, it's not because the parents are awful exploitative people without a heart. It's because there isn't enough economical development, therefore the children either work with the family or die.
Then, after a while, when capitalism solves this long-lasting problem of economic development since the beginning of mankind, a bunch of retarded politicians comes in and declare it "illegal" after it disappeared.
Or even worse, they make it illegal BEFORE it has naturally been solved, resulting in a lot of people now starving.
The only thing you can do is making more with less, that is, economic development, through free-market capitalism, if you want to solve poverty as fast as possible.
You simply can't outlaw poverty, you simpleton.

>>49690985
>life is better is china
I love how commies show their true colors and start worshipping dystopian hellholes lol

>>49696459
Yes lmao
Cry more incel.

>>49696645
>that you delude yourself into thinking that in your society you'd be on top
lmao almost every single ancap thinks they would be on the bottom, it's just that the bottom would be a lot more wealthy than today
I'm an ancap because I hate wageslaving.
You're a statist because you love wageslaving.

LMAO, 277 replies of absulte seething

>NOOOO IN A REAL FREE MARKET ECONOMY MARKET MAKERS ARENT ALLOWED TO MANIPULATE THE MARKET FOR THEIR BENEFIT NOOO

u guys are such fags

>>49696824
>In the places of the world where "child labor" still exist, it's not because the parents are awful exploitative people without a heart. It's because there isn't enough economical development, therefore the children either work with the family or die.
Libertarians need paragraphs of detail to explain these concepts while anti-libertarians can easily use retarded one-liners to seem like they are right.
It's the reason why more people aren't Libertarian. People are too stupid/ADHD to calm down and listen to the things we are saying.

>>49696839
>You're a statist because you love wageslaving.
this. Government will always force you into coal mines "for the greater good". In ancap i can simply say no.

>>49696839
>it's just that the bottom would be a lot more wealthy than today
kekw say another one.
>I'm an ancap because I hate wageslaving.
And you'd still be wageslaving.
You're a statist because you love wageslaving.
I'm an Anarchist.

>>49696681
>the gas companies choosing to raise their prices for their resource means the government owes me free shit and gibs
No they don't, so shut the fuck up, retard.
Monopolization is part and parcel to a free market, doesn't matter if it's "the state" or a mom and pop store monopolizing. If you don't like what the free market provides, you can fuck off to another country, pinko shit.

I think ancaps hearts are in the right place but they can't cope with how corporations will always want to conduct extra-economic activity (lobbying, lawmaking, propaganda, sometimes violence) in pursuit of economic gain. Unironically it's against human nature to abide by the free market principle on principle. Why not just kill your competition with legislation or monopoly rather than letting them compete? If you have debt, why not go to war with the creditors rather than pay them back? This is the shit ancapistan can't deal with. This is all without mentioning any of the moral defects of market absolutism. The way I see it everything about globohomo is just a natural development within capitalism rather than an aberration

>>49696858
>>NOOOO IN A REAL FREE MARKET ECONOMY MARKET MAKERS ARENT ALLOWED TO MANIPULATE THE MARKET FOR THEIR BENEFIT NOOO
Well yeah, it's called fraud.
Why do you think businesspeople went crazy trying to get access to state power?
because they couldn't do such things in a free market

>>49696896
>In ancap i can simply say no
In ancap, society would be so wealthy you would barely need to work anyway. Consumer goods would be incredibly cheap. Why work 40 hours when that's far too much money than you actually need?

>>49696907
>kekw say another one.
It's hilarious that you retards have literally zero idea what you're talking about and laugh in your ignorance lol. I used to be just like you.
You have no fucking idea what a free market even means.
If prices constantly come down for consumer goods. This means even the poorest are more wealthier, you retard.
>And you'd still be wageslaving.
I would barely have to wageslave.
In fact, economic production was the reason we got the 40 hour workweek in the first place, not muh unions.
>I'm an Anarchist.
No you are not.

>>49696933
>>the gas companies choosing to raise their prices
It's not up to them, it's up to the market. If supply increased, prices would come down.
>Monopolization is part and parcel to a free market,
Monopolies are literally impossible in a free market. Every monopoly in history required the state.
>>49696944
>I think ancaps hearts are in the right place but they can't cope with how corporations will always want to conduct extra-economic activity (lobbying, lawmaking, propaganda, sometimes violence) in pursuit of economic gain
Yeah it's not like ancaps have written countless books refuting this nonsense or anything.

>>49696459
>israel flag
LOL
/pol/shits are fucking schizo
Since when do ancaps love Israel?

>49684153 (You)
>centrally planning the economy is free-market capitalism!
you people are so fucking annoying

>>49684250
if the government unilaterally blocks an industry from expanding production, which the free market is trying to provide for us, that's a centrally planned economy you midwit nigger faggot.
they would "own" the means of production if they could use it as they please. presently they cannot.

>>49691136

>>49685616
>commies literally have no understanding of history.
Their own historians retcon and rewrite shit so they always start from square 1. The USSR did not tolerate gays yet there are communists that wave the pride flag in the current year. Its embarrassingly ignorant. Neoliberal capitalism lets gays and other assorted non straights do whatever they want yet they insist on establishing the system that will destroy them.

>>49696591
>These "people" are trying to bring us to crisis so that they can begin Normalization. This is a classic communist trick. They've crashed the economy, and now they're blaming the system for their own misdeeds.
Yuri was a goddamn prophet because he used to work for the soviets. Instead of heeding his words the last 2 or so generations of normalfags just fucking ignored reality and left the burden on us.

>>49696969
>Why do you think businesspeople went crazy trying to get access to state power?
says who? says your mom? oh boo hoo the market isnt fair waaaahhh wahhhh we need more regulation and anti fraud regulation or im gonna POOPY my PANTS

HAHAHAHAHA, enjoy being sad and poor you absolute loser

>>49697334
>POOPY DOOPY CUM BUM NIGGER LOL UHH OH STINKY!!!!111

Top tier post.

>>49683690
>It's a consequence of having a government and giving them power.
beats having to pay and equip a private army

Capitalists do all of these amazing things for us(planning the structure of production, advancing profit to the workers from the future to the present) and only take an average 5% fee off the top.

Why do leftists care about a 5% fee when the government rapes you far more than that.
Can any commie here explain this to me?

Leftists seem to think the capitalists have a GORRILLIAN DOLLARS all locked away and are forcing wagies to slave away when they could be not working instead. It makes no fucking sense.

>>49697388
>You have firearms yourself (Not a given in most parts of the world) + 20$(equivalent)/month for silver subscription to WeDefendYourAssInCaseSomethingHappen(tm) in competition with 10 others, where here they actually have accountability otherwise they won't have as many clients and any fuck ups will have consequences with DIOs/DROs and the general armed-to-the-teeth population

>>49697002
>b-but thats not a real free market! So we try it agian b-but thats not a real free market! So we try it agian b-but thats not a real free market! So we try it agian b-but thats not a real free market! So we try it agianb-but thats not a real free market! So we try it

>>49685559
I wish Marx was alive to see this shit

>>49697710
>>b-but thats not a real free market! So we try it agian b-but thats not a real free market!
This is hilarious.
You seem to think it's the free market itself that causes the government to grow in size.
Your argument is that the government will always take over so we should just have the government control everything lmao fucking retard

How would marx explain memecoins?

>>49697727
>>49697811
Same, he would literally die from an aneurysm just from the definition of what is a blockchain alone

>>49697622
but if elon musk has billions of dollars why don't we use it to solve poverty?

>>49697325
i just love how all of these pictures of psy-ops include mr noname watson the supposed kgb agent from who knows where doing an "interview" or disclosure lmao, hilarious

>>49689967
Some guys legitimately love traps and others despise them. Some guys love anime and Lolis while others would prefer anime and loli-porn be illegal. In many cases anons agree on practically everything except for these specific touch-points

>>49683521
This. /thread. Any other reply is hard commie cope.

>>49683521
THIS.

>>49697831
>but if elon musk has billions of dollars why don't we use it to solve poverty?

>Have one (1) 70 iq nigger
>Feed him
>He reproduce like a fucking tamagochi
>Have ten (10) 70 iq nigger
It's another fixed pie fallacy retardation

>>49697831
If the Fed can simply make money out of thin air then why can’t the government just end poverty?

What reds and pinkos don’t understand is that wealth lies within the ability of individuals and their communities. Sure, the children of wealthy people coast through life without a care in the world but their parents and their parents’ friends are very capable people that have risen up in society through their ability. I’ve never met a wealthy person who did it on their own that wasn’t impressive in some form or fashion. Most if not all the poor people I’ve met are idiotic and their poverty is their own fault.

>>49697811
he wouldn't, his whole theory is flawed af
>>49697905
i swear i've seen arguments like
bBUt iF BeZOs gOes tO thE mOon wHy cAn't we haVE woRLd PeaCE???

>>49697811
Marx was a racist NEET and self-hating jew obsessed with economics so he'd probably be shitposting with us on /biz/

One of my favorite Marx quotes:
>Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism – huckstering and its preconditions – the Jew will have become impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, and because the conflict between man’s individual-sensuous existence and his species-existence has been abolished. The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.

>>49697977
As if those two things are mutually exclusive. Communists and socialists are losers that want the government to dictate everything or at least most things to the people. They can’t conceive of a world in which people they share common viewpoints with might be useless leeches.

>>49697831
because it won't
the poor would get like 20 dollars each and when they went to spend it, it would just cause price increases anyway

also he would have to completely liquidate tesla to even get that money, he would only get a tiny portion of it

>>49686938
>This literally makes zero sense. Stop getting your ideas from adam something.

Yeah It's really easy to spot the people who do this.

Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXWmAmm5nag

>>49683521
>requirement for true capitalism : must have a free market
>criterion for true communist : must be a utopia
mhhhh