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>>49674907
Rolling

>>49674907
100BPS
RATE HIKE
SURVIVE

62.5 bps, best of both worlds
ezpz

Couldn’t he just do a 62.5 bps rate hike?

raise it 300

Stop fucking around, bite the bullet and start by raising 300

>>49674907
push them both.
accelerate.

>>49674907
He does 25bp and market soara to ath. Poor people stay broke and mad. They will keep buying inflated gas and food because they have no other options. The rich need yachts and vacation homes, they cant go without and the fed does what their bank stock brokwr friends want.

>>49674907
600 BPS
Crashing this economy with no survivors

>>49674907
50

If trips its 100 BP

>>49675018
Still wouldn’t be enough need 500 bps at least

why do they have to be in increments of .25?

>>49674907
Why doesn't he just do a 62.5?

points are for faggots
+1%

2000BPS rate hike and feces thrown at the camera on live television.

>>49675063
>the fed does what their bank stock brokwr friends want.
I think you might be retarded

>>49674907
200

>>49674907
The fed doesn’t give a fuck about the stock market. The fed has two explicitly stated goals: manage inflation and maintain full employment level. That’s it.

>>49675193
>doesn’t give a fuck about the stock market.
>maintain full employment level
????

>>49675148
Lmao imagine thinking the fed is neutral

>>49675148
Modern Monetary Theorist detected

>>49675148
Ok. Just wait 2 hours to see how retarded you are.

They wont raise interest rates quickly. We already know poor people will keep buying inflated food and gas. They have no option other than to buy it at inflated prices. Your feelings dont influence the economy.

>>49675193
>The fed doesn’t give a fuck about the stock market
>He STILL thinks the fed is independent

>>49675148
>He doesn't know that every Federal body, from the FDA to the Federal Reserve, runs a revolving door of personnel into and out of the "regulated" industry at all times, giving large de-facto kickbacks for playing ball in the form of cushy post-gov employment.
shiggy diggy

>>49675260
Everyone on the fed board and their 4000 friends, family and former associates are in the stock market. But yea, they will fuck all their associates to help poor broke asses in west virginia.

Not happening.

>>49674907
a 75 bps hike to 1.5% is highly inflationary
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FEDFUNDS

we, unironically, need a 1000 bps hike to stop inflation

>he thinks the hike will be only two digits

>>49675351
Just go full 1970s-80s.
1800 bps. Don't even creep it by 75 at a time. Just make an announcement at 0929 that rates will hike to an 1800 bps basis effective immediately

>>49675193
>All those insider trading scandals from the Fed mean NOTHING!

>>49675422
1000 bps would have good psychological impact, but yes, another 500-1000 bps hike may be necessary after that

56k bps increase!

>>49675105
they are based points

>>49674907
Preannounce 75 so mkt doesn't tank on 50
Bullshit games for a bullshot country

25 bps, one last bull run

>>49675422
Dubs winrar. Fed is going to hike to 1800 bps

>>49675086
69.69 inc.

>>49675536
This. Every fucking time.

This era is eerily Carteresque. Stagflation, energy crisis, Volckerian Fed chairman, retard do nothing President.

>>49674907
Just do 10,000 bps we will have this issue solved after a few days of pain
Man I am a genius

>>49675193

Holy shit go back to your crypto pit

>>49675536
pre-announce 75 but expect it to tank prior to announcement because the fed has no credibility.
so then it will announce 125 bps, so we just crash a little further.

>>49675193
kek, good one

>>49674907
Rate hikes aren't going to help with supply chains, fucking retard

>>49674907
How long until we know??

10000 bps rate increase!

What could possibly go wrong!

>>49675236
>>49675239
you fags misunderstand my post. The fed is made from private banks. So it need not look to their "friends" for what they want, but simply ask themselves what THEY want...

>>49674907
Neither, he is going for 100bps to JUST the market enough to cool inflation

10000 bps, no that's not a typo

>>49675711

It will cool demand which in turn will free up supply chains, fucking retard. The creation of fake money and credit has spurred fake demand by people intent on getting out of it and into materials, commodities, and products.

>>49675375
2-3% total is max what the market can take without collapse. It is too over leveraged. What are we at right now? Like 1.5%?

>>49675606
cater called the direction this country was heading half a century ago but the faggot boomers didn't want to hear it. you're the retard if you don't at least appreciate him for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tGd_9Tahzw

>>49675858
right now, 0.77
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FEDFUNDS

>>49675855
>The creation of fake money and credit has spurred fake demand
Nearly all of the funny money printed out of nowhere never left Fed hands.
The covid cheques for normies ran out a long ass time ago.

>>49675351
>>49675422
>>49675484
>>49675585
raising interest means that usa have to pay more for their debt, currently they are at fucking $30T. This shit isn't happening, Volcker did what he did because he wasn't under pressure of that magnitude

-75

>>49675951
Oh ok I thought it was higher than that. I wouldn’t be surprised is Powell went with 75 then.

>>49676006

Credit rates have a way bigger impact than paper. The amount of credit wealth on the planet is 5x all physical, material wealth. When you set rates to nothing you have major institutions loans and leverage maxxing on anything and everything possible because it's a guaranteed profit.

>>49676047
a historically low rate of 1.5% will surely stop historically high inflation

>>49676061
When you set rates to nothing, the banks "suffer" and everyone else thrives.

>>49674907
how fucked is the economy that we are treating 100bps as a nuclear option that will crash everything to oblivion. fuck this clown world.

>>49676108
hardly, the banks always get first crack at the money, which means it's free for them

>>49674907
Do 62.5 bps and enjoy both a recession and inflation.

>>49676137
It's baseless hysteria. Every other key metric (unemployment, consumer credit, ...) is through the roof.

>>49676160
Hence the quotation marks.

>>49676089
I’m not saying it’s going to work, but if we end up pushing 3% and it doesn’t work it’s pretty much over

he is going with 75

>>49674907
>Major publications are memeing
I HATE clown world.

>>49675810
>100% interest
>that'll be 30 trillion dollars plus tip please
>home"owners" forced to come up with full loan value or be liquidated
>repo men run out of lot space
>instants demand destruction
>dxy 500
>cash gang rises up

>>49676194
>Every other key metric (unemployment, consumer credit, ...) is through the roof.
In a good way, so I guess I meant to say "employment".

Choices:

>10% inflation temporary
>3% wage increase

---

>5% inflation (ideally)
>-100% wage decrease because I lost my fucking job due to the recession

--

Any retard that wants to massively raise rates right now in the middle of a covid supplychain whiplash and energy crisis is fucking insane

>>49674907

>>49676137
It's "you will own nothing and you will be miserable" tier of fucked, it wouldn't be so bad if it was only happening to US, but shit looks like this all over the world

>>49676286
>Any retard that wants to massively raise rates right now in the middle of a covid supplychain whiplash and energy crisis is fucking insane
accelerate

>>49675239
>poor people start buying chicken drumsticks instead of steaks to save money
>poor people start to carpool
Lmao your retarded.
A 10% decline in GDP is because consumers spend 10% less.

>>49674907
We're getting both whichever button he presses.

>>49676308
didnt the feds raise interest rates ~10% to stop inflation in the 70's? how are we discussing about 100bps?

>>49676344

GDP isn't a 1:1 function of consumer spending.

>>49675148
The Fed is privately owned

>>49676256
>cash gang saves $1mm
>inflation makes a hamburger cost $3mm
>some deflation occurs over time as things stabilize and a hamburger costs only $1mm
>cash gang is able to afford 1 hamburger for $1mm
>cash gang had no mechanism to keep up with any level of inflation because they're holding worthless cash

1000 iq move

75 bps and pause until after mid term elections......

>>49676391
Look how much debt US had back then compared to now, their operating cost of debt equal thirty fucking trillions ($30T) would mean that they rugpull entire nation.

>>49674907

>>49675494
>tfw old enough to have actually worked with 50bps/75bps systems

Hes gonna say raising the rates isnt doing anything and we will just let inflation run its course.

>>49676431
If the interest rate was 100% there wouldn't be any inflation anon.

The fed has to dance. They fear the guillotine.

>>49676505
Oh neat!

>>49676286
>temporary
Lmfao die bitch

>>49676442
This, they will only do enough work to slow down inflation to minimize Dem losses before midterms. No fucking way the Fed let's this shit go before November.

Guys guys calm down... Biden wrote a letter alright. Inflation is over. Get back to celebrating gay people now.

Russia raised rates to 21% and then dropped to 14% since the war started
we're here shitting ourselves over half a percent... derivatives economies don't work

>>49676766
Your mistake here is thinking that derivative economies' goal is to work for the goyim.

>>49676766

If we had the same quality of life as the average Russian there would be violent revolts.

>>49676766
>raised rates to 21%
20
>then dropped to 14%
to 9.5 few days ago

125bps

>>49676308
funny how we basically had no debt when the fed was created

>>49677274
Then comes 1914 with 3.5%

>>49677274
funny how America's global dominance was at it's previous debt peak

>>49675109
kek

arent 75bps only 0,75%
thats fucking nothing

>>49676194
>It's baseless hysteria

Retarded gorilla nigger

>>49674907
125bps rate hike.
For the memes.

>>49675051
Based and average pilled

>>49677425
there are trillions in outstanding debt
0.075*1000000000000 = 75000000000 (7.5 billion)
That's the added interest on one trillion, and there are many trillions in debt to be (((serviced))).

>>49674907
What does bps stand for?

>>49677507
*75 billion
my mistake, it's tough counting all those zeroes

>>49674907
>50 bps until we see more data, please understand

>>49677534
i'd kill you if i could

>>49676431
I’m consistently impressed with how little people on this board understand the basics of Business & Finance.

>>49677507
just print more money lool

they're going to cancel all rate hikes and make bitcoin the reserve currency

>>49677507

you realize rate hike doesn't instantly increase the interest on all outstanding debt right? only increases the cost on refinancing the debt. which yo can counter increased interest debt by spending less. If politicians were completely up their own ass, the financial solution to this would be extremely simple.

>>49677650
>JDIF ID
........

>>49677348
that time was literally different since they bailed out almost every major nation plus they had massive market to dump their products. They were the only victors of WW2 (besides jews)

>>49675858
In the 70's to quash inflation the rate had to be around 10% and up to 20%; debt was 30% of gdp

Now we have inflation as bad as the 70's (possibly worse), rate is less than 1%, and debt is 130% of gdp

What the fuck is going to happen? What can happen?

>>49674907
Delusional, this would only be accurate if each button said both "soaring inflation" and "recession". We are fucked and both are gonna happen no matter what

>>49675060
This. 50 or 75 BPS is fucking nothing compared to the level of inflation they are "trying" to curb. This is purely a PR stunt to calm public frustrations about rising prices to make it seem like they are trying to do something. The US government's debt/GDP is the largest its been and the best way to minimize the value of that debt is through inflation. This inflation is done on purpose to curb the debt problem. Expect high inflation for the next 5-10 years.

>>49677574
Nah, it doesn't match the acronym

>>49677723

Yes, people will not riot if the gov stops paying for everybody's health care, social security, child tax credit, and so on

>>49675193
Maintaining full employment implies propping up the stock market, retard.

>>49677954
>This inflation is done on purpose to curb the debt problem. Expect high inflation for the next 5-10 years.
Assuming our spending doesn't double the debt again in the next 5-10 years...

I hope he doesn't do anything and makes inflation worse. I want the average person to suffer even more. I want economic volatility until the next presidential election

>>49674907
JPow will cut rates, believe in him

>>49674907
Raise it 200

+800bps

>>49675193
>the fed doesn't give a fuck about the stock market
>they care about maintaining full employment
You are a retard nigger monkey. If the market crashes everyone loses their jobs, retard.

pic: it's you.

>>49674907
it's such an easy job, just do what economists predict you will do.

If I get dubs I like penis.

If not, the recession begins tomorrow.

Check EM

>>49674907
if he doesn't do a 1000 bps rate hike we're all fucked

>>49675148

>>49678558
>if he doesn't do [number out of my ass] we are all fucked
the bottom line is that there is no way out of this mess, the best possible outcome is double digit inflation for 5years while markets cool down

>>49677534
>/biz/ Business & Finance

>>49677534
Welcome to /biz/ home of the plebbitor.

>>49677348
military dominance, yes
temporary economic dominance, yes, because the rest of the world was destroyed
but america was very much on the decline in 1945

>>49678103
It's cyclical. Case in point, nothing will be done to help the average person. The current situation is a recipe for increased government reliance (which results in the dissolution of personal freedoms). Recession is inevitable. Layoffs are inevitable. Expect war with a a superpower to give the newly created jobless, purposeless populous a "purpose."

>>49675148
The Fed is the Banks and the Banks are the Fed. The Fed is owned by it's member banks.

>>49679046
God I wish you weren't correct

>>49674907
Neither.
It will be above 100.
You guys don't understand.

>>49679135
The Fed is the the Jews and the Jews are the Fed. The U.S. is owned by the Fed.

>>49674907
>implying there's gonna be a difference at the end

>>49675944
He's really right but I don't think he understood the reason why people lost confidence. It was due to the devastation after ww2. People lost faith in progress and had to deal with inner demons of humanity which had always been swept under the rug. The only people willing to adapt was the new counter-culture but they're degenerates and we can see the fruits of their culture now.

>>49675193
please be baiting

Jerome if nothing is a masterful at bullshit. Here is what is going to happen, he is going to say that inflation is caused by "supply chain" issues but worst then predicted so 75 hikes are "on the table". This will be a 50 hike and market pumps. Screenshot this.

>>49679351
i also think 50 bps is most likely, in which case the market pumps, but that would be an admission that they're only going to raise rates at a level that keeps inflation going.

28.8 bps

>>49679661
>they're only going to raise rates at a level that keeps inflation going.
Yes. Because these are "supply chain" issues that have not been resolved yet or inflation numbers inflated by Putin's war. We all know it is BS but the Feds will use it to stay the course.

>>49679242
kek

>>49674907
Both are too low to make a dent in the hyperinflation that is coming.
He's too much of a coward to do what needs to be done.

>>49677927
>no matter what
Well, there is a 3rd option, but the Fed doesn't command the armed forces (directly).
And the 3rd option is why Xi called Putin and told him to settle ASAP.
Each passing day, WW3 becomes a rosier choice for DC. Why have all of these sci-fi black projects if they're just going to sit back and let the empire collapse without firing a shot due to... economics.

.75 bps confirmed
Sell now faggots.

75 BPS announced.
All-in on war stonks.

>>49674907

50bps

>>49677458
I think any rate above 0.3% is usury, and raising rates won't do dick to combat the primary cause of inflation (supply chains); but in reality temporarily raising rates is no reason to dump the global financial markets like this.
It's baseless hysteria.

Why would Putin raise the rates like this

>>49674907
We need 15% to actually begin to address real inflation.

>>49676030
I dont know why so many fuckers on this board dont realize this.

>>49680010
Amazing post but I need you to write more. I follow Chinese politics as closely as I can since there is very little insider information being leaked from the party, and only a portion of that even gets translated into English.

>>49676194
>It's baseless hysteria
Nope. Since 2008 everyone has been loading up on cheap debt and a walking dead companies became dependant on it.
Financial institutions are so degenerately overleveraged that it won't take much to collapse the house of cards.
E.g. Archegos, and that's just ONE family fund.

It's not just the US either. Add in the Chinese RE crash (RE is worth 30% of their GDP) that's ongoing and this is going to become brutal.