/biz/ - Business & Finance

if it crushes the fed I'll put up with it either way

>>49643406
America won't be missed :3

>>49643406
There are plenty of tools, what people really can’t stomach yet is the necessary violence

>>49643459
Race war incoming

>>49643406
I think I'd choose the hyperinflation route

Why doesnt the fed just buy Bitcoin and wait 2-3 years then sell?

>>49643406
Should've voted Trump. He didn't really like the fed.

>>49643406
so inflation is preferable. blame it all on pootin, trump, white ppl. printing must continue btc to da moon along with bread price.

>>49643459
You're going to miss us when the chink bugmen take over and start disappearing your family.

>>49643507
hyperinflation on the fucking dollar would crash the world financial system anyway

>>49643540
This. These dumb niggers don't seem to realize we are the lesser evil.

>>49643406

>and they cannot print more money

>>49643406
raise interest rates won't fix oil, gas and food prices which are causing a huge amount of inflation. they won't even come close to hiking that much, I actually expect to see a rate cut early next year

>>49643406
You don't need 12% interest rates to beat inflation lmao the fucking idiot

>>49643586
>>49643540
At least with the chink bugmen we have a clear goal rather than Back The Blue NATO cocksuckers. How many times do they have to lie to your face before you stop 'le lesser of two evil'ing for them?

>>49643540
>>49643586
Cope however you like. Your lard filled economic zone will not be missed.

>>49643580
Wouldn't that be better for most of us since we own assets?
I think a great depression would just make all of us poor

>>49643637
clear enemy*

>>49643540
>>49643586
No you are the greater evil
t.german

>>49643406
>it's over
(and that's a good thing)
fuck this gay earth

>>49643406
Yeah yeah, anon. I'm sure this twitter/e-celeb knows more about finance that the FED

>>49643406
well, according to certain schizoposters, XRP is going to be used to offset the entire worlds debt. Pumping the crypto currency to multiple thousands of dollars per coin.

>>49643657
I think the fact that most of us owns assets is something that they do not find acceptable.

>>49643406
Captcha
>D000R

>>49643540
>>49643586
No.

>>49643459
>>49643540
>>49643673
all right
also all wrong

the enemy has and always will be the eternal jew
America may be a globohomo hotbed in need of collapse but globohomo is the true enemy
the jew is the true enemy
wherever a jew lives he will taint the culture and psyche of the population

it's
the
jews

>>49643540
I welcome our new chinese overlords, death to america

>>49643459
No, but it will take you with it.

>>49643459
I'll prefer mutts over chinks.

>>49643673
>invents the weimar republic
>invents frankfurt school
>invents cultural marxism
>has the audacity to say US is the greater evil
Germans and europoors in general are so diluded. Enjoy your serfdom, useless eaters

>>49643459
This is literally a world wide problem. Europe is in just as bad a central banking predicament as we are. All of the major EU coutries are going to run out of money and once the gibs are over and done with the African apes and Middle Eastern sandniggers are going to burn everything down and rape European women. If you're in Asia you'll just get skinned alive like they were doing in Sri Lanka a few months ago.

>>49643406
see pic, US cannot control inflation. It's over!
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2022-06-14/two-charts-every-serious-investor-needs-see

>>49643406
>12% for the sake of argument

May as well be 199%. 12% is fucking retarded and we'll never get there. We wont even see 4% without blood in the street

>>49643406
OP pic is retarded. The natialdebt is 30Trillion. 12% interest would only be 3.6T/year. Also, a lot of the debt is already locked up in bonds that are longer duration. Only newly issued debt would be subject to that 12%. The US could probably withstand 12% for a short time.

>>49643406
just invade saudi and get free oil
ezpz

>>49643891
Wow some hedge fund with hundreds of millions of put /short options tells me the world is falling.

Fuck off jew

>>49643459
you misspelled jews.

Why doesn't the government just stop spending so much?

>>49643586
chink, you are a dumb subhuman insect living in a third world country (that is if you did not escape to be a parasite in a white one). you can't "take over" anything. manlet yellow shit

mutts are sweating

>they cannot print more money
Thanks to all the spending they do in the military they can print whatever they can and will make you pay for it. And if you don't like it you are literally putin

>>49643540
Chinese people don't hate and want to destroy white people unlike those who rule the US. Nothing can be worse than the US.

>>49643891
Also remember when wages rise due to inflation, people get put in higher tax brackets. Inflation is a tax hike.

ITS HAPPENING
AAAAAAAAAA

>>49644146
Where do they get the bullets, missiles, and fuel for the tanks? How do they pay the soldiers?
If the dollar's value is dependent on the military, but the military is dependent on the dollars value, how does that end?

>>49643891
>Implying the fed wouldn't cut spending and decrease its debt obligation.

>>49644229
They make the american first whatever act and seize all of that because we must stop the evil russians.

>>49644274
>DOC Act passes (Defend Our Children)
>right to personal property "suspended" and the military helps itself to your resources
>politicians wage another war overseas
>everyone suffers
fuck

>>49643637
>>49643651
>>49643673
>>49643816
>>49643830
>>49643831
>>49644165
"socialism with chinese characteristics" literally means totalitarian marxism plus anti-white SJW third worlder supremacism

>>49643881
>you'll just get skinned alive like they were doing in Sri Lanka a few months ago.
source?

https://youtu.be/-6uQQY2cZuQ

>>49644229
they will invade africa and pay the soldiers in resource concessions or gold or land after the fact. people homeless and starving would jump on that in a second. look at how the romans operated. the american empire is about to go from a financial one to a physical one. every country is going to get invaded and plundered while they still have an army to do it with.

>>49643406
there is only one conclusion and it should be obvious to everyone at this point
the dollar will be devalued to not scare off bond investors
people will flee into crypto
Final switch will be when US starts denominating bonds in crypto as an alternative (BTC or more likely a CBDC, either way crypto will moon tremendously and the last people to get in will suffer the most)

>>49643459
This
>>49643830
Ok, still does not negate the first statement at this point (also only the CSA was salvageable culturally)

https://youtu.be/VJcnuZB4Xt4

>>49643876
>>invents frankfurt school
>>invents cultural marxism
Ahm no germans did that
And the weimar republic is literally wilsons fault
and only after the usa came in without reason to kill the kaiserreich, without that it wouldnt even be possible and also the udssr would have never been able to form

>>49643540
>>49643586
Chinks are on the other side of the planet from me and they will never be able to power project the way America has. The worst they could do is maybe punitive expeditions from concession cities and that is if and only if the US goes either full Qing or Warlord Maxxes

The only people who should be legitimately worried are countries in their power projection like China, but no one there is pro-china for that obvious reason

>>49644469
eat shit and die mutt

>>49644822
They'r already worming their way into Africa, Eastern Europe, and AUS/CA/NZ. They're not stopping there.

>>49644693
take a look at government tax revenue in 2018
now consider that government treasury issuance (bonds, ie loans from the private sector to the government) is 7.1 trillion per year.
That's $7100 in billions.
Please compare and consider what will happen to the US if it becomes unable to issue bonds.
FED buying of bonds CANNOT be stopped.

>>49644866
Why do you keep posting that chinese man?
>Error: You are temporarily blocked from posting for violating Global 3 - Racism.
lmao, the absolute state of wumao shill damage control

>>49643406
Bad take. Here’s the solution you will see from the US deep state:

The value and reliability of a currency is relative to all other currencies. Therefore, you don’t need to make your currency better if you can at least make other currencies worse then yours. Sometimes the best move is the one that hurts your opponent more than it hurts you.

>>49644822
They have an edge now. They bought all the media and games that raise your kids then banned that media in China.
US and Russia spending fuel and food production in Ukraine is a welcome distraction from Africa and the incompetent US bioweapon attack is a great propaganda tool to enforce national unity.

>>49644786
>reading comprehension
>ackshully it was literally wilsons fault
At this point it doesnt matter what government came after ww1 since germany was destined to be a hotbed for degeneracy after its defeat because of all the bad actors that already populated the nation at the time. Thats the point.

>>49643406
And? They knew all along, they could've fixed it but chose not to.

Not my problem.

>>49643406
>Russia gets another year of 20%+ inflation
>everything is fine(well, not fine, but just another decade in Russia)
>USA is about to get 10% inflation
>NOOOOOOOOOO IT WILL DESTROY THE COUNTRY
I don't understand. Either libs are doomposting too much out of hatred, or they are just retarded.

>>49645133
my friend, the FED is now set to repay around 700B in interest per year, and is issuing 7000B new bonds per year.

It gets 3000B in tax revenue but let's assume all that money is used on government spending.

That means that 10% of the treasuries it is issuing per year is currently used to pay off interest on its previous outstanding treasuries.

Even if rates do not change at all, and assuming no change in yearly issuance, we can calculate when the US gov goes bust (devaluing other currencies or not):

treasury debt as a function of year f(Y) = 23.3T+7T*Y

interest to be paid as a function of year i(Y) = 0.034*f(Y)

US goes bust when i(Y) >= 7T

result: US goes bust in 27 years.
And that is rates are NOT raised (if they are, it happens quicker), and also if investors keep buying US treasuries at the same rate (it will become harder and harder to entice them)

this is why the idea of raising rates is laughable. The idea of stopping inflation is laughable. NEVER going to happen. Current stage is pure theatre.

>>49645343
Russia is an actual country. They do stuff like make food and fuel and sell it, a deficit is an actual issue that needs to be addressed.
The US is a circular system like Terra that uses global military hegemony that's funded by the dollar to force everyone into accepting the dollar no matter how worthless it is. Now it turns out the military hegemony is over so the US is desperately trying to pretend it's a country like all the other kids while their entire way of life collapses. Suddenly a deficit is an actual issue that needs to be addressed..

>>49645539
>he FED is now set to repay around 700B in interest per year
I of course mean the US gov

>>49643891
Don't we owe the vast majority of this debt to ourselves? Why don't they just "forgive" a large portion of it? Fuck it.

>>49643540
Only the type of retards who belong to a political party or post political shit on twitter and the bumper of their car will get disappeared. The remaining 99% of the population, will be fine if not better off not having to stand those CIA-kike media brainwashed faggots.

>>49643597
Money is borrowed into existence and you need to pay the interest.

>>49645292
>because of all the bad actors that already populated the nation at the time
These actors got expelled 1933
When will america expell their bad actor s ?

>>49643406
>I truly feel scared
What a pussy

>>49645579
>>49645659
Russia's economy is smaller than Italy.
>(You)

>>49645638
If they fail to repay some of the debt that makes them less creditworthy and others will buy less debt from them, and they rely on that debt purchasing to function.

>>49643673
chink fingers typed this

>>49645323
unless you live on the Pitcairn islands it is, in fact, your problem

>>49645736
Still a real country unlike the US.

>>49645579
where do you see anyone trying to address the budget deficit?

>>49643657
>>49643726
What's an asset?
>>49643891
All they have to do is raise taxes.

>>49643540
Hmmmmmmmm NAH. Death to Shitmerica.

>>49645638
Modern Monetary Theory

>>49645638
The FED is a private bank you retard. This is why central banking is such a scam.

>>49645815
>>49645894
>the US doesn't have a reeeeaaaaaalllllll economy
>Russia is stronk and has an actual economy unlike the US
get bombed you coping bolshevik shillnigger

>>49645736
Calculated by whom? American manipulators? Now with this crash let's see whose economy is stronger. Russian real one or American paper money made one.

>>49645736
>Italy's GDP (PPP) - service sector
0.777 trillion USD
>Russia's GDP (PPP) - service sector
1.598 trillion USD

If you've got a problem with using PPP or removing the service sector from calculations you are a faggot.

>>49643514
That's why he forced them to print trillions of dollars and then asked to have his name on the checks, right? Fucking trump tard.

>>49643406
The government should use its other policy tools, but Congress is so locked up it is impossible. They could cool the economy by raising taxes rather than raising interest rates outrageously, which would also squeeze capital starved companies and shuffle around investment opportunities. But corporations wouldn't allow their congressional dogs to raise corporate taxes, so the Fed as one of the only functional state tools has to unilaterally default to raising interest rates. It would be even more politically toxic to raise income tax rates during a recession, so I'd just write off that possibility entirely.

>>49645978
You're an impoverished second world nation that can't even afford toilets with running water. You poop in a hole in the ground. You Internet Research Agency shills are so pathetic.

>>49646130
>raising taxes
hahahaha

>>49646004
>service sector
Now compare the actual economy you subhuman russnigger shill. Hitler should've killed all of you when he had the chance.

>>49646233
>Now compare the actual economy you subhuman russnigger shill
I dunno he's making a lot of sense, otherwise how is Russia causing inflation to be so bad here

>>49646160
>>49646233
>everyone I don't like is a shill
>seethes for hours
It's this episode again huh

>>49646233
That's what I did you retarded MSM brainwashed goy and it should have been obvious even if you didn't know what a substraction symbol is considering everyone knows Italy's economy is a complete joke running on fake jobs that produce nothing.

>>49643507
The FED is going to rug the market right now because of this predicament before moving back into a CBDC, when they can establish total control. This is why Powell is even there. Even institutions are just going to be collateral damage imo, or I finally get to see which is more powerful in practice, the (((fed))) or (((wall street)))

>>49646233
Holy shit you're retarded lmao

>>49646280
>>49646284
>>49646335
Quit cycling your VPN you nigger. Compare the size of the economies, not the service sectors. Italy has a GDP of $1.886 trillion and a population of 59.6 million. Russia has a GDP of $1.71 trillion and a population of 146 million. Italy is one of the less developed economies in western europe, but still absolutely shames your pathetic AIDS-infested commie shithole in every possible way.

>>49643459
Based

>>49645848
They stopped printing. The moneyholes like China are saturated, more fiat currency from a place that only makes corn doesn't help them and you can't force them to take it anymore.
>>49645966
There is a real economy hidden behind the scam somewhere but the major factors are built around mob style operations and thinly veiled threats of violence. Nobody who represents that system is working on behalf of any of the people, it's a completely separate criminal entity from any nation. Like the EU and the CCP.

>>49646160
You fucking village idiot. Why the hell are you talking about Russia when all you've seen is your fucking village?

>>49643891
Why would an increase in interest rates affect loans made in the past?

>>49643957
This. Volckering NOW is the best solution, like putting out a fire with a bomb. It's way worse for debt if we spend years inching up the interest rate.

>>49646460
>>49646519
>>49646577
Am I speaking to russnigger shills right now, or are you the bargain bunch nigerian nigger shills they hired instead? If I'm arguing with farm equipment, then I won't waste my time.

>>49643497
i fucking hope so. American reconquista inbound

>>49646233
The fucking Hitler cretin is fucking dead. Shited his pants to death when the Russians entered Berlin 1945.

>>49646670
You're an actual black nigerian gorilla nigger. You belong in my fields picking my cotton, not in whatever shill farm you're currently in.

>>49645889
House, crypto, silver. Whatever really

man made problem for ourselves. pathetic.

>>49646597
You speak better about american white niggers with no difference to the black american niggers.

>>49646751
Pick my cotton nigger.

>>49646506
The other guy subtracted the service sector. GDP includes debt so you can artificially raise it by orders of magnitude by doing things like importing niggers and giving them a mortgage for a house.
In the case of Italy they use Euros so the GDP is propped up by German banks.
You then compare that criminal mess to a country under sanctions using currencies outside the sanctions as your yardstick.

>>49645966
Who is getting blown up here? Is this snake island?

>>49646795
It's a russian helo getting bayraktar'ed. You can see the standard bayraktar HUD, before the lying shillniggers in this thread post more bullshit.

>>49646787
Keep making excuses you pathetic subhuman nigger. You will NEVER be a developed country.

>>49646773
You guys all look the same to us. Ha-ha. Fucking plantation niggas judge others by themselves. Ha-ha.

>>49646873
Бeцayce your fucking American television telling you that? Ha-ha, you fucking dumb US nigger.

>>49646519
The hegemony is wounded but still intact unless Ukraine surrenders (don't seem to be far off I admit) and Taiwan falls. Unless that happens the dollar remains supreme.

>>49646892
what?

>>49646892
Your entire family is going to die of AIDS because you're a dumb gorilla nigger living in a dumb gorilla nigger country filled with other dumb gorilla niggers. Maybe you should get a real job instead of shilling online.

>>49643406

>>49643615
You can stop inflation in it's tracks with 12% rates. We already did this in the 1970s. The problem is we can't have those rates because our debt to GDP is 140%, back then it was 30%. Prepare your anus for crushing inflation until the debt is "paid" off.

>>49646974
Russia's IRA outsourced to a Nigerian shill farm. That's why they can't into English.

>>49643459
I like basketball so I'll miss that at least

Zoomers can handle a little recession here nd there, usd will do just fine

>>49644165
>Chinese people don't hate and want to destroy white people
You've gotta be kidding. I dont like the USA either but use your fucking head, man.

>>49643540
becoming a chinese tributary is way better than turning into a zionist, progressive, WFE controlled "country"

>congress has to make X amount of payment against national debt within Y period of time
there is literally no legitimate document anywhere that says this needs to happen, so yeah we're raising rates. Problem solved. Nothing burger. Next schizo post.

>>49646873
I will never be a Russian either. I have among the highest GDP in Europe but most of that number is bullshit like debt. The actual things that matter like food that's produced and provides long term security is valued as almost nothing. Service jobs that accomplish nothing make up the majority of jobs like in Italy. A huge percentage of the economy revolves around women's clothing. All the "success stories" in Europe are similar. All the EU faggot mob puppets lying to themselves they're representing the people are retarded. They stopped gas infrastructure investment and replaced it with more niggers so they now have to pay Russia to keep the niggers alive with money Russia can use to fund an army.

>>49646004
Anon... this equation looks even worse. Russia should be 10x richer already.

>>49646999
SOVL
RETVRN

>>49643876
>diluded

>>49647224
>t. William Felix Browder.

War with china is inevitable

>>49647174
I meant to say WEF

>>49643673
Don't listen to this fag. (((They))) are trying to sever the US-Euro relationship. We like burgers over here. You guys are ok
t. Austrian

>>49643459
I’m from Europe and I can tell you that only people from shitholes within EU think like this (Italy, France, Spain, Greece). Disregard these moron manchildren. Europe does not afford to lose it’s big brother. Else Western society as we know it will fall for good

>>49647428
The kraut is right in essence though, the dollar needs to die, heads need to roll and total regime change is a necessity (in Minecraft)

>>49647592
Germany and its shithole neighbours can be added to the list btw. Only reasonable people within Europe live in northern europe, which also happens to be objectively the best place in the world

>>49643406
>12 percent interest
>interest rate ser by Fed

checkmate

>>49646738
Is crypto really an asset? It isn't really holding. PMs are crabbing or slowly decaying, even with sky high inflation. Housing is high but it may crash and you have to pay taxes, maintenance, mortgage, etc. As a pure investment it relies on people being able to afford rent.

LMAOOOOOOO FINALLY

absolutely love the retarded FSB shills
whats the matter? didnt want to hold your bribes in rubles and switched to crypto and lost it all?

>>49645955
Checked, based, and jewish question pilled.
>>49645966
Checked. USA has shit loads of resources too. Held down by jews, Biggers, and spics, but still wealthy in food and fuel

>>49643459
enjoy innovation coming to an end

>>49645663
no, the treasury can mint coins at will and sell it to the fed who can create money at will. they haven't resorted to doing this yet because the result would basically be runaway inflation

>>49643459
True and based

>>49643830
I am starting to think that this anti jew meme is some sort of kremlin propaganda that has been pushed for the purpose of division. same with social justice and everything associated with that.

>>49643540
Weird burgers disappeared 500,000 civilians in Indonesia, China hadn't done that at all. Read the Jakarta Method

>>49647990

>>49643830
This except anglos

>>49643444
Fucking checked. Digits of truth.

>>49645638
here's the thing, USA has been running on a deficit for several decades now. that deficit can only be serviced through debt or printing

believe it or not, if USA decides to delete its debt, people will stop being willing to borrow money to them!
so now the only way left for USA to balance its budget will be money printing (nominal inflation already close to double digits), or a massive decrease in federal spending

>>49647990
>every thing is muh Russia
You retards have been screaming this fo 8 years and only CNN believes you.

>>49643406
>screeshot from twatter
>overused flavor of the year buzzword spam words
>150+ replies
You need to rope yourselves and fuck off from my hentai porn website

>>49643406
And all because of a average flu

>>49648253
stfu. its always been muhh jooos on these 4chan boards even though this exists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1EA2ohrt5Q&ab_channel=MrgunsngearBChannel

its actually da fucking envious miserable orcs. see the vod

>>49643406
That pic is exactly why they'll let the dollar inflate. Furthermore, there's nothing to fear about a "weaker dollar" so long as the other currencies remain in the same relative positions to the dollar. Dollar milkshake is real and it is the reason the US has been able to mandate inflation for as long as it has. Fuck around and find out if you think inflation means the end times.

>>49646594
https://data.nasdaq.com/data/USTREASURY/AVMAT-average-maturity-of-total-outstanding-treasury-marketable-securities

average US treasury bond issued (debt) is below 5 years in duration and they constantly get bought (1-year bond expires, 1-year bond bought again)
so if they increase interest rates, in less than 5 years most of the US debt will be affected by the new rates

>>49648359
This, but we will see an equity implosion before the printers fire off again

>>49643580
Exactly. Which is why it doesn't fucking matter if it hyperinflates because that's everybody else's problem. They're only doing the song and dance about inflation right now because the plebs can clearly see that they're getting fucked on gas and food, but that doesn't mean they're going to actually help the plebs.

Unironically the only chance the US has to survive would be to suck Putin's dick and buy some energy at a discount

>>49648220
ty anon

there is sovereign debt and internal debt. usa has mostly internal debt to fed same as bank of
japan. internal debt is not a problem you can always just wipe ass with it. external debt is more problematic as nations then indebted to other nations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOY5Qe5Kh3Y

>>49648345
So it's always been this way on 4chan, but now it's really the russians?

>>49643540
As an American I hope this shit crashes and burns. Too many things in our society and culture are fucked up, and the only way to change them is a catastrophic situation that finally wakes white people up. I’d rather die than slave away in current America, so I say bring it on.

Unless the kikes somehow decide to deregulate industry and stop taxing the goyim, this is the death of the western civilisation.
Even if, by some miracle, you'll have a return to normality, you'll have loads of problems. Niggers chimping out due to lack of gibs, re-learning manufacturing practices and getting zoomers to work in a production line instead of collecting mental illnesses while fingering their bungholes... none of that is easy.

>>49643406
They can print more money, because economies world wide will be imploding. America has the cleanest dirty shirt and will have no problem selling bonds. Reduced consumption abroad will allow higher consumption in the US without inflation. American exceptionalism can survive a whole lot higher debt to GDP still.

It's good to be American.

What does this mean crypto bros? my attempts to fish for an answer reveal that I think it crypto is solvent world-wide. suck it USD, feels good man, noah's ark or something you bible-centric mongloids can reference. this is the liminal, bitch.

>>49643406
ah, so that's why the DXY is out of control strong. makes a lot of sense now.

>>49643891
I'm confused. The rate hikes are related to the Federal Funds Rate, not treasuries/bonds. Why would that rate hike affect bond yields? Someone help a brainlet out pls.

>>49645343
russia hasn't experienced 20% inflation in over 20 years

as for the point you're trying to make, USD is defacto the world's reserve currency. it needs to place itself to a set of standards in order to maintain that position and if that position is lost then demand massively decreases, potentially turning this "20% inflation is fine" situation into a "200% inflation" situation through a negative feedback loop
and even if that wasn't the case, 20% inflation is hardly "fine" nor an enviable position. inflation isn't just a "delete your debt" hack, you are trading away your people's prosperity, you ruin their savings and you make their long-term standard of living worse

>>49644062
Uhhhhhhh

>>49648612
Why would anyone buy government bonds when they can get risk free interest from interest on excess reserves and repo?

In theory it's possible to decouple treasury bond interest rate from federal fund rate, by doing the Fed simply buying all government bonds while still pumping interest rates with interest on excess reserves and repo. I don't think it's ever been done though.

>>49643673
>t. shit eater
ftfy

>>49646999
Back when 20 dollars meant something.

>>49648612
most of the treasuries issued at this point are short term paper. obviously 30 year bonds that were issued 10 years ago aren't "affected" but the bond market is teetering on the brink.

>>49646004
also don't forget, russia (and most former ussr bloc countries) has up to 40% of its economy in an "untracked" or "undeclared" state, making it very hard for that activity to be included in GDP calculations (that use official data)
https://www.sseriga.edu/shadow-economy-index-russia

but in general if someone brings up "muh gdp" i don't even bother arguing with them, waste of time

>>49648489
The point isn't just internal/external, the point is also that the debt is in their own currencies. You can print your own currency to inflate debts away whether it's internal or external. You can in theory tax internal debt away (raising taxation on the trillionaires may result in some bullet holes in your skull though).

External debts in foreign currencies or gold, those are the ones you can't really get rid of. Not as a small country any way, if you are big enough you can shoot them away.

>>49644165
Uh century of humiliation? Opium wars?

>>49648233
>so now the only way left for USA to balance its budget will be money printing (nominal inflation already close to double digits), or a massive decrease in federal spending
You are discounting the effect of raising interest rates on foreign economies. The whole world is going to get pushed into a recession, this will reduce consumption, this opens up the ability for the US to keep running massive budget deficits without inflationary pressure.

This is part of what makes the US exceptional. Budget deficits barely matter for US inflation. At some point the US's debt to GDP ratio will get so scary foreign nations will treat the US as exceptional, that point is not near.

>>49643459
>He thinks there's anywhere to hide from the bursting of the sovereign debt bubble.
You haven't thought this through.

>>49649185
>interest rates
that's part of the problem though
you raise rates, now your interest payments start to rack up (see >>49648368)
you decide to let inflation eat away the debt, now you get another set of things to worry about
last thing possible that doesn't involve raising rates too much or accepting long-term inflation would be to increase taxes or decrease spendings

i feel like americans have gotten to the point where "economy" is all about gaming the system, numbers, meddling with inflation/debt/interest rates and have forgotten all about actually being productive or maintaining a state for healthy business

>>49646787
You actually think that the Russian economy is impressive? Have you actually bothered to take a look at how Russia looks like?

I’m 99% sure a majority of Federal US debt is fixed as most outstanding debt is in the form of treasury bonds, notes… Inflation is probably beneficial as it decreases the real value of the debt

>>49643406

There is an obvious tool you retard, it's called increasing taxes cutting spending and paying off debt.

>>49643406
>12%
>for the sake of argument
"for the sake of argument" what if the continental US gets abducted by aliens?

>>49643406
>Congress doesn't print money
>The USD is used by other countries for global trade and is a safe haven against global inflation that makes our inflation look like a fucking joke
>Inflation makes goods more expensive but also makes your debts smaller assuming it's the the same currency
The result is our domestic debts lose value and the USD strengthens because the rest of the world will always be more dumb than us, marginally. But margins are literally all that matters in forex.
If you're actually worried just buy rice and beans enough to last a couple years. Problem solved.

>>49643459
>He doesn't know
Look up dollar milkshake theory and then cry because the American empire will rule for another 100 years at least.

>>49649365
>you raise rates, now your interest payments start to rack up
Which matters not at all, that just means the US will need to run bigger deficits.
>you decide to let inflation eat away the debt
No, US budget deficits currently don't matter for US inflation. US interest rates matter for the entire world though. So the US raises interest rates, the world goes into recession, but because the US can run deficits almost without repercussion, the recession hardly hurts them.

It's good to be American.

>>49647592
America is actively destroying the western society. Let it burn to the ground.
Every single cultural trend that comes from america is toxic.

>>49649497
>increasing taxes
This might happen
>cutting spending and paying off debt
lol

You don’t need to increase rates that high to curb demand, by curbing demand in the economy you can prevent inflation by slowing down economic activity. This “neutral rate” nonsense isn’t true. A huge part of the problem is techniggers getting paid $800,000 per year to do nothing, hopefully that problem sorts itself out soon. Even just a couple percentage points has ruined a lot of technigger companies

Why do we have to pay the fed interest? Why can't they issue the US gov money without interest?

Also what do they do with all the interest payments?

>>49649642

I agree people are retards, but there is a point where the consequences of allowing thing to spiral out of control will be worse for the Politian's then cutting the funding to their pet projects

>>49649452
This. If we had this debt crisis at any other time they might have a point. A global recession and global inflation is perfect. We can basically do nothing, inflate our debt away, and keep inflation low enough that we're still a reserve currency to the rest of the world.

>>49647177
Retard. They need people to keep buying bonds because they spend more than they collect in taxes. If they show they aren’t able to repay the loans, people will stop buying them, and they will have less money to spend.

>>49649411
Less retarded than the EU. Energy exporter with internal industry supply lines. They can make a super alloy jet without imports. In US jets even the aluminum is African. The Titanium and Scandium is.. Russian.

>>49649746
>Also what do they do with all the interest payments?
When the Fed pays interest on say repo or excess reserves, that money isn't just printed. It becomes a deferred asset which is subtracted from any interest payments on Federal bonds the Fed owns.

If the Fed has nothing to spend the interest on bonds on and has no deferred assets on the balance sheet, it goes back to the treasury. So in that case the US essentially pays no interest on bonds the Fed owns.

>>49643459
Based, and correct

>>49649843
The second taxes go up without at least a proportional rise in welfare programs there will be riots. Then on the other side of the aisle people will be crying that the new tax revenue should be going towards the deficit so that we can give more to the military and Israel.

>>49646004
only double Italy? Lmao this makes it even worse

>>49643580
That's the point?

>>49650016

there would be riots anyways if the currency collapsed. We are hypothetically talking if shit really hit the fan on inflation any the government had to act to avoid hyper inflation

>>49647592
>Western society as we know it will fall for good

>>49649918
Retard, look at the exchange rate of other currencies to USD over the past year.
Now look at the fact that all global trade happens in USD.
Now look at the fact that those global trades are executed with DEBT.
Now imagine you're a Japanese company buying Saudi fuel in USD and your look at your balance book and notice that you're a fucking idiot for holding your assets in jpy because now your debts are worth 50% more than they were this time last year. And to make matters worse the Japanese prime rate is fucking negative and the Treasury yield is .2% as compared to the US 2.5%.
Anybody with a working brain is buying us Treasury bonds. We can't stop winning and the world will have to cope and seethe for the next century.

>>49643406
>it's a we have to repay the national debt episode

Anyone who tells you we have to repay the national debt in its entirety is a fucking moron who does not understand the first thing about economics.

>>49650378
The classic
>Let the debt go as high as possible, national debt doesn't mean anything
argument. Never change biz, your retardery gives me too many laughs.

>>49643406
Retarded post. The Fed returns the interest.

>>49650481
You have to make payments, and that comes out of your budget, which means you have to tax higher.
Just because you can legally stop going to school at 16 doesn't mean you should.

>>49643406
the FED has a 9 trillion dollar balance sheet. they are unwinding it now. even if they kept intrest rates at zero and brought their balance sheet to zero there would be massive deflation. i fucking hate each and every single one of u low iq bizniggers holy shit ur more retarded than reddit

>>49650529
>>49650378
Here's a hypothetical for you: what happens if interest accumulates thanks to the debt itself not being paid down and required payments exceed 100% of taxable GDP?
Where do you suppose additional money supply might come from?

>>49650821
Then the entire world economy collapses. Anyway Japan will hit that point first.

>>49643540
Chink bugment would be a massive improvement over the nigger-infested globohomo run horseshit you currently have. Not sure why you think people would be more likely to agree with you. Have you not seen America recently? Like in the last 10 years?

>>49650893
Eat ze bugs and enjoy your gutter oil nigger I am going to unfuck this shit

>>49647990
>it's just a meme that jews happen to unproportionally control basically everything

>>49650481
It's important but only in so far as it remains lower than the global dependence on USD as a relatively stable reserve currency. As long as we're even 0.1% better than any other country on earth, the debt didn't m doesn't fucking matter. They'll inflate it away and we will still be the richest nation on earth.

>>49643406
So what will happen to the jews? How will the jews that did this secure their and their ugly children's wellbeing ? Just curious

>>49650260
>Treasury yield is .2% as compared to the US 2.5%
And if the US stops paying it’s debts, would as many people still have that kind of confidence in the dollar (as in treasury bonds)? Or would they turn elsewhere and buy bonds that are actually being paid back (or unironically Bitcoin, in part, for some countries)?

>>49652073
That's a big fucking if considering that the US is one of the few countries in the world still being productive. This all comes off as wishful thinking from irrelevant countries wishing the US will stumble.
Well you're in luck. We are stumbling.
But you're out of luck. Because the rest of the world fell off a fucking cliff.

>>49651581
https://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/recessions-don-t-scare-the-wealthy-here-s-why-/101984

I wish I could find it, but there was a great article discussing how falling empires had no effect on elites who could just leave, meanwhile the poor had no option but to stay

>>49643830
meds

>>49647990
There absolutely is Kremlin propaganda focusing on making fringe political views mainstream for the sake of destroying the US from within, but anti-Semites have been around for a long time. Granted, Kremlin propaganda also targets schizos and the schizos on here are always crying about (((the Jews))), so there's likely some overlap of who is pumping out that anti-Semite propaganda.

>>49652197
You don’t think Russia-India-China basically saying fuck off to US sanctions on Russia and just buying their oil anyway is a signal of weakness for the dollar as the world reserve currency?

>>49643406
>no gibs for 1 year
>niggers starve
>debt paid

>>49652962
Those countries still buy things from other countries that aren't interested in getting paid in Monopoly money when their debts are also in USD.

>>49643459
this, everyone will be happier post american balkanization
literally the second it happens i'm moving to whatever hegemony the flyover states create because it'll be the closest to old America

>>49653014
Burger here, I sure as fuck can't wait for the great divorce. This rotting carcass of a country is starting to stink, it needs to be put to pasture.

>>49652962
Explaining it better
>Be Russia China or India
>For whatever reason decide that you don't want to use the USD as a reserve even though your currency is volatile as fuck
>Go to the saudis to buy oil
>They tell you to fuck off because they only want USD
>Go to Africa to buy rare earth metals
>They tell you to fuck off because they have massive USD debts and they'd be retarded to hold rupies instead
They can keep their own currency as reserve but at the end of the day they'll still need to exchange to USD to do any global trade because nobody is interested in their worthless paper.

>>49643586
>>49643540
living in a shithole 3rd world country in southeast asia, I've always feared when the chinks will go full pitbull mode. I know that the US is what keeps the balance on check, and my fear just keeps growing looking at how the US kept shitting its pants daily.

>>49653003
>>49653129
We’re just talking past each other because the whole point is the threat that the international demand for USD and equivalents will decline, not that the demand doesn’t exist now.

>>49648233
>or a massive decrease in federal spending
Stop, I can only get so erect

>>49653328
Why would it decline when every country and every company in those countries holds their international debts in USD? Those debts are either serviced or they cease to exist as economic powers. It's that simple.

>>49643540
>>49643586
America is the great Satan. I dont give a fuck about China, honestly they can have most of the planet. Nice attempt to deflect jews.

>>49649609
fucking idiot.
You are destroying us.

>>49650249
sirs...

>>49653629
I hope China gets nothing but your asshole.

>>49643459
Dunno why you're acting like america going down wouldn't drag the rest of the world down with it. Also russia would probably insta invade eastern europe

>>49643487
Based and truthpilled.

>>49653129
?
The Saudi's have already been considering Yuan for Chinese oil sales and even if they don't go through with it, India and China have been buying Russian Oil in Rubles

>>49654546
And when China sells steel they do it with?

This thread got me thinking about something: are there people out there who are consistently right about stuff? I've heard all this before and to be honest less than 10% of these predictions end up being correct.

>>49652865
>kremlin propaganda

Take your meds schizo

>>49653821
>fucking idiot.
>You are destroying us.
It's driving lower value manufacturing out of the US, but all that deficit spending still has to go through some productive companies and normie employees before rich faggots can pump it into real estate. So high value manufacturing and tech sticks around. It's not so bad.

Take a look at European/Japanese economy in 3 months and honestly tell me you don't prefer US's exceptional deficit spending.

>>49643459
the entire world pays for Murrica's retarded money printing

>>49654591
Just because they're selling in dollars now doesn't mean that's this will always be the case. The Chinese are were already dumping their UST and are thinking about doing the same with their Forex. There's nothing stopping them from pulling the same trick Russia did a while ago, and that their exports will have to be bought in Yuan in the future.

>>49647990
I’m starting to think that as the years go by, it’s harder to hide this evil bullshit and people are starting to notice.

>>49647990
the 1922 kremlin folks.

for the 1560 kremlin, see martin luthers protestant reformation

>>49647924
>globalhomo
>innovation
the white race doesn't need your "innovation"

>>49643540
China has no babies.
Best case scenario is (You) and Ping slitting each other's throats and bleeding out together.
The Caliphate is the heir apparent.

>>49643509
Kek. Thus is right because bitcoin will be a million hy then.

>>49643406
>cannot print more money because that is the cause of inflation
Is this your twitter account? Because this is anon-level clueless.
Like the fed has suddenly learned not to print money lol.

>>49643406
Everyone is missing the point. Tell me how to win.

>>49644786
Ahm no, jews in Germany did that. Nice try, Moshe.

>>49643459
>he thinks ending the fed ends America
good luck

>>49655397
>theautarkist
>defending autarchy, ever
if not this specific anon, they are deffo clueless

>>49654809
China sells more than they buy and their biggest customer is America. Guess what currency America uses. You'll never guess. Go on. Guess.
No matter how hard you cope, the USD will forever be the reserve currency of the world.

You're all fucking retarded, the US government debt payments are fixed when the bonds are issued. If short-term rates rise it only effects new bond issues not all the existing debt. Secondly we have no inflation. We have a supply crunch that it being exacerbated by bad policy and helicopter money. fucking retards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRgRz3nSG7o

>>49648345
The Bolshevik were Jews moron.

>>49643702
Actually yes, random influencers are right every once in a while. The fed has been wrong about every single (100%) of their public predictions for decades.

>>49658152
So the Fed browses /pol/?

>>49643406

>>49643444
Based. Popcorn is the new btc

>>49643540

> he still believes that his country is at least better than the other country.

no, really nobody is going to remember you

>>49645966
I don't even know which side this is, but how could anyone feel happiness over this? 5 people just died.

I wonder what their names were, some of them might have even posted link memes here.

>>49643540
Fucking this. America is a dumb ass country but its better than chinks any day

>>49645579
America produces an absolute fuckload of food.

>>49643540
all the traitorous replies. it's fucking over americabros even the avg citizen is a fucking traitor to the west

>>49643673
>started 2 world wars
>killed the most white people in history
>destabilized almost all white counties
>invented trannies
>created israel
>head of the EU (literal globohomo)
It is YOUR FUCKING FAULT ALL OF THIS HAPPENED. You are the single greatest evil in all of human history.

>>49643673
has germany ever been on the right side of anything?
except for WW1 and 2?

>>49647032
nigger raising interest rates won't spawn more oil, more wheat and fix the supply chain

>>49643406
>we destroy the usd or we destroy the usd
guess what will benefit from that

>>49643580
Better to bring it all down than be the only one drowning. Global crab bucket

>>49643444
checked and based.

>>49643540
lol nah

>>49646597
They are bargain bin because all the High IQ nerds who are actually interested in the internet and digital technology are fleeing the country.
The shill farms are having a lot of churn over there.

>>49644047
I miss him so much

>>49644786
>germans did that
jew hands typed this.

>>49650000
Checked

>>49659469
Literally part of the design. This is a cold war assured destruction weapon. Dr Strangelove device is going off on accident. If we lose we flip the table economic policy.

>>49643406
>destroying the usd
you wish chinkman, the usd will NEVER fall, if needed we will invade every europoor or sandnigger in the world

god bless america

>>49644693
people will flee into crypto

>>49643891
thats not how bonds work tho

>>49643406
WTF THE JEWISH GUY ON MY TV SAID EVERYTHINGS FINE AND HES GOT A PHD FROM HAVARD

>>49643406
>12%
lol

>>49643444

>>49643540
>>49643586
you are a kike controlled pariah state

>>49645663
and the US treasury just borrows more money from the FED to pay its interest
are you new to this ball game?

>>49645638
you owe it to China and Japan
LMAO

>>49643406
And what if they just don't pay it back, what will happen?

>>49643406
Or you know people will stop buying useless Crap and economy will rebalance itself to usefully products/ true added value jobs.
Not to mention the GOV can curb inflation not just the FED by cutting spending and reducing it's workforce aparatus.

>>49643459
Here here, The niggers, The Kikes, The leftists, the fucking NPC, The single mothers, The boomers, The chinks.
Literally everyone in North America is low IQ subhuman trash.
I only want to get rich so I can pay to leave.

>>49643497
Americans and most of the left are too fat for that.
You will eat the bugs.
>>49643540
>start disappearing your family.
Jokes on you! I want to butcher most of my family! Chinks and Niggers can fucking have em.

>>49643835
>No, but it will take you with it.
Big whoop you fucking lefty.
Oh no I was gonna die anyway! Nah, Think I will stow away on a boat and fuck off someplace else.
LMAO nigga just walk away.
>>49653061
>>49653014
Hell yeah, Fuck Democrats and Fuck leftists.
They can keep raising taxes and let the money printer print endlessly.

>>49659037
>but its better than chinks any day
https://www.forbes.com/sites/princeghosh/2020/09/18/the-exodus-of-chinese-manufacturing-shutting-down-the-worlds-factory/?sh=1a16cea8c2f2
This angers the Amerimutts.
China has a thousand years of peace selling tea leaves for fucking silver.
Americans are doomed.

>>49659080
>traitorous
>Said the Democrat/Leftiest.
Lmao, who am I betraying? Learn what words mean before you use them you fucking midwit.

>>49659080
>all the traitorous replies.
Go home europoor, go home Kike, go home nigger.
We dont want your shitty "print money" economy.

>>49648345
>Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov (Russian: Ю́pий Aлeкcáндpoвич Бeзмéнoв; 1939 – January 5, 1993; alias: Tomas David Schuman[1]) was a Soviet journalist for RIA Novosti and a former PGU KGB informant who defected to Canada.

>After being assigned to a station in India, Bezmenov eventually grew to love the people and the culture of India. At the same time, he began to resent the KGB-sanctioned repression of intellectuals who dissented from Moscow's policies[3] and he decided to defect to the West.
So he wasn't even KGB he was an informant for the KGb and fucking journalist who loved street shitters and was seething that the Soviets didn't allow globalhomo on their TV and in the books. I spit on Poland.

>>49643406

feels like globalhomo has been checkmated

this is the end of US PAX AMERICANA

chinese pivot by jews

>>49647592
All snowniggers must rope. What is "western society" by this point? Homosexuality? Central banking? Why would I maintain a system like this just because it originated within "my" people even though said system outright poisons my actual people?

>>49643459
rawr xD

>>49643406
>They can't print more money

>>49644165
Anon you're fucking clueless, the parasites that ran USA into the ground just changed hosts.

>>49643459
Euros were a great counter-weight to the US in the early 2010s. What happened to you? Everybody became weak and faggots.

>>49662139
We got JUSTed in 2008 and have still not recovered is what happened. Ever time we're about to (((something))) keeps JUSTing us the most recent being the eternal blackhole that is Ukraine and the group seppuku our economies are committing over it to appease the mutts.

>>49647990
Yeah, it's just a meme. Every single member of Biden's administration is actually Korean.

>>49653014
ah yes, the place without easily accessible ports will be a great place to live in, ofcourse!

>>49646016
at least people felt rich then
Who is Biden helping? Crashing the economy while not doing anything to inflation?

>>49645659
>CIA brainwashing bad
>chink brainwashing good because uhhhh just dont politics ok!
Retard nigger they’re all the same shit

>>49646597
heh, seems like he touched a nerve there, glownigger

>>49647990
shalom

ITS ME THAT I SPITE AS I STAND UP AND FIGHT
THE ONLY THING I KNOW FOR REAL

>>49655783
>the Greek drachma will forever be the reserve currency of the world
>the Roman denarius will forever be the reserve currency of the world
>the Byzantine solidus will forever be the reserve currency of the world
>the Arab dinar will forever be the reserve currency of the world
>the Venetian ducat will forever be the reserve currency of the world
>the Florentine florin will forever be the reserve currency of the world
>the Portuguese escudo will forever be the reserve currency of the world
>the Spanish silver dollar will forever be the reserve currency of the world
>the Dutch guilder will forever be the reserve currency of the world
>the British pound sterling will forever be the reserve currency of the world
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