/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>49375102
Lol I'm not turning on those stupid system notification ads again.

>>49375102
>buy a coin they give for free!

no thanks faggot polcel

>>49375125
>>49375147
Ngmi have fun necking when browser coin moons

>>49375163
not buying your bags steve or ranjeesh

I think we will see a flight to quality during the bear market and things like BAT will start turning heads when people realize they are not just surviving the bear market, but actively growing through it and hiring/expanding features. It's kind of a perfect opportunity for them to shine right now, so if they don't do it soon then they probably never will.

>>49375186
It doesn't matter because advertisers will buy our bags anyways lol. Everyone in crypto is so used to the idea that the only way a coin will ever go up is to trick somebody dumber than you into buying it at a higher price. They can't even fathom the idea of something having any real utility. I guess they'll find out what that looks like soon enough.

>>49375102
no fortune 500 company will ever run a crypto ad

>>49375102
based, I think 2024 bat will be trading anywhere from 12-18 dollars. It won't have the booms of any of the early cryptos, but long term util tokens will probably hold intrinsic value and always maintain values in the teens. Even someone on the skeptical side ought to be holding a 300 dollar lottery ticket on it.

>>49375241
>he thinks chiptole and dell are going to pump his bags and make him rich
lmao

>>49375418
>Even someone on the skeptical side ought to be holding a 300 dollar lottery ticket on it.
not even brave thinks it's going to be worth anything that's why they sold all their coins to all you faggots and they keep you from dumping by promising a self-serve ad system for 4 years that's never coming

>>49375213
Company pays brave $1 for an ad
Brave pays you $0.01 for watching that ad
>wow guys it’s the future I’m going to use this and credit card rewards to retire!!!

>>49375469
They pay the users 70% of the ad spend retard. You won't retire from your ad earnings anyways, you will only retire from buying and holding a large amount of BAT, same thing with any coin dumbass.

>>49375102
Why would anyone want a browser token that consistently gains 4 million new users every month?

>>49375213
Strong fundamentals stand out during bear markets. Since crypto is mostly vaporware the bar is pretty low. During a bull market everyone thinks they are a genius until reality sets in. Tons of dead ICO's. This next batch of tokens wont be any different. We haven't seen enough crab yet for people to really start asking the real questions.

>>49375514
The people on this board only like to buy high. What kind of business and finance site would this be if people actually made money?

I slurped some BAT earlier but after seeing this thread I'm going to buy more.

>>49375102
Something I haven't had time to track down is what drives demand of BAT? do they have an autopurchaser off of ad dollars? I just don't get what will drive demand.

>>49375410
>>49375428
I hope you're just fudding. If not, this is the most cringe thing I've read all day. Businesses go wherever the business is.

>>49375565
>Something I haven't had time to track down is what drives demand of BAT? do they have an autopurchaser off of ad dollars? I just don't get what will drive demand.
The advertisers purchase ads in USD and then brave uses that money to buy BAT and distributes it to the users that see ads. You can see their purchases here: brave.com/transparency

Brave pays the users 70% of the cost in BAT and keep 30% for operating expenses and growth. The thing that people don't understand is that their search engine is growing extraordinarily fast, and they are about to launch ads on it which is going to be way bigger than the current notification ads and will increase demand drastically.

>>49375410
is ford fortune 500? i got lots of ads from them last summer

but if brave doesn't have data on it's users, why would a company devote significant resources to untargeted ads?

>>49375619
Read

>>49375619
The data is stored locally on the users device. Also, the people that use Brave are what you would call an "unreachable" audience. They block all ads on all platforms and are not subject to any other means of advertising. A lot of people don't have cable TV anymore either so they literally never see ads anywhere, ever. Brave gives advertisers the capability to reach these people.

>>49375593
The way I like to look at BAT is as a growing ad network because thats basically what it is. Facebook is an ad network, Google is an ad network, Snapchat is an ad network, twitter is an ad network. The first biggest mistake people make is thinking BAT is a browser token.

There is extreme value in new tab page ads and system notification ads. These ads create awareness of a product or service just like twitter,snapchat,facebook, and google display ads (youtube). They are relatively cheap ads where you can reach a large audience thats not engaged.

The search engine ads are a gold mine though. People are intentionally searching for keywords with usually the intent to purchase or research the product or service. Businesses will happily pay a lot of money for a single click because they know it could likely lead to a sale. Why have a new tab page ad for a asphalt resurfacing company if you only service one city? Run that same ad as a search ad and a couple hundred dollars worth of clicks could get you a $80k contract.

When both of these ad types are scaled and growing then you are looking at a top 5 token. It takes a while to get there but the business model works. Everyone that likes to shit on BAT doesnt understand how long it takes to build an ad system or how profitable it can quickly become when its working. Its like watching a dam break. Slow trickle and suddenly its busting every town in its wake.

>>49375102
Just bought a couple hundred, what's the projected date of a multi usd valued token?

>>49375828
thanks anon, specifically for using words and not faggy pictures

>>49375593
>>49375848
Yeah it's based. Honestly BAT may end up being my biggest bag during the best cycle. People don't realize how many BILLIONS are spent on ads and Google, FB are getting ass raped on performance due to new privacy policies. So if they continue to maintain a 70 percent BAT buy style that will be a lot of strong buy pressure and not everyone who gets rewards will sell.

>>49375848
That's a good explanation. The new tab ads are basically the billboards of the future. That's a spot that a fortune 500 company would unironically want to advertise. Notification ads can be both localized and more general ads, same with search ads. I think the real money is honestly going to be in the localized ads. What better place could there possibly be to advertise your small business than to people that are opted into rewards and live in your area? They might even be able to eventually do targeted new tab ads, so that your local bakery can put up a billboard with a pic of their pastries and send it out to people within a 10 mile radius. This type of advertising has never been done before, and I think the search ads will generate enough money for them to try all sorts of new shit, like interactive ads, etc. It's also going to be very interesting to see how the crypto side of BAT utility develops too with the wallet. There are so many avenues that they can win from, and with 60m users and a product that people love, it's really only a matter of time until they figure something out. $500m market cap for this is an absolute joke lol but I suspect people will come to realize that within the next year, or less.

>>49375936
I'm a retard newfag and I get multiple BAT coins when looking it up at coinmarket cap.
is this the one I should buy?
>https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/basic-attention-token/

>>49376042
Yes

>>49376070
thanks, gonna grab a bag

what's your conservative price prediction for this coin if we hit a bull market next year?

>>49376042
Wtf are you talking about moron. I just bought a couple hundred BAT, was curious when it's expected to moon. And newfag is funny I've been on 4 channel and kiwifarms since the beginning. I bet you been on here since the late Obama into Trump years. Doesn't matter anyways, now fuck off before you end up a lolcow ti.

There was another thing I forgot to mention that nobody ever really talks about. The creator side of BAT. I know it kind of sucks because right now the tipping feature is very impersonal and kind of feels like you are dumping your BAT into a black hole with zero feedback, but I saw a screenshot somebody posted in a thread the other day of someone on the brave team saying that they were going to make some big changes to the creator side of things. I'm not sure what that could entail but the amount of verified creators has been consistently growing since it launched, so if they can find a good way to utilize this it will be huge. BAT baggies used to talk about the creator growth quite frequently but everyone kind of lost interest in it eventually because of how stale it is. Hopefully they can fix it. That's another angle of attack for them. Brave has a lot of fractured pieces of several puzzles right now, and I feel like things could converge all at once, especially if they get some big revenues coming from search ads and are able to expand their budget and go on a hiring spree in the middle of a bear market while everyone in the space is getting laid off or their shitcoins are becoming worthless.

>>49376130
>what's your conservative price prediction for this coin if we hit a bull market next year?
$40 in next bull market

>>49376176
Damn lucky i wanted to join kiwi awhile ago but they have this faggot invite a friend thing going on. From ehat i understand they keep getting shitty new arrivals.

>>49376239
What you don’t realize is anyone that’s held this coin for over a year is already numb and demoralized to the point where we can’t see the light anymore. We hear all these great things that used to make us ambitious and the price just keeps taking and tanking and tanking. If we don’t get above $1 again by the end of August I’m a deadman

>>49376549
>If we don’t get above $1 again by the end of August I’m a deadman
Why?

>>49376037
Forgot to mention the overlap. You have billboard ads, notifications, and search ads. You could technically have someone land on your page from a search ad and later serve them a new tab page ad or notification or both.

Twitter launched in 2006 and pulled in $77m in revenue in 2011 with about 100m MAU's. About 2 years later they had their IPO and were trading at a $31B markecap. Once search ads launch Brave is basically not too far behind where twitter was in 2011. BAT isn't reinventing the wheel here. Massive sleeper

>>49376628
I'm just going to grill burgers while I wait for it to x4. Been getting these for ads on my computers for a while now. But this thread talked me into buying too. You're right about it being a sleeper, and the numbers look good. Great looking out Fren.

>>49376588
I got a kid on the way the end of august, I’m running out of money and business is slow

All these stupid niggers that shit on BAT in every thread are gonna neck so hard when this moons. Hopefully they are just fudding their own bags and aren't unironically getting against this. Even if all brave did was release self-serve and nothing else it would pump hard as fuck. They have so much shit coming.

>>49376239

I threw my website on BAT to see how it works. Super simple to get started and use. Granted, I don't make much BAT.

>>49376847
That's because the tipping system is for faggots and sucks fat cock but I think they are working on making it better as we speak

coool thanks for reminder just claimed another 6

>>49376549
Yeah, feel that. There's a sales process going on here with getting more advertisers. That's what we are waiting for... that and more users.

>>49375102

>>49377572
Excellent point.

>>49377572
Wtf man that's racist

How much of this shitcoin do you guys have?
Like what's the average

>>49377660
Like 6 whole bats

>>49377771
what's that like $2?

>>49377811
It was a joke. I have well into 6 figures USD worth of bat. Suicide stack is 10k bat

>>49377660
312k BAT

>>49377660
38.5k

>>49377660
187K

>>49377660
450k

>>49376628
Yeah and Brave's advertising model is way more effective than Twitter because of the opt-in nature and people use browsers more than just being on twatter

>>49377660
I have 84,700ish looking to get to 100k within the next few weeks

>>49377840
>>49377873
>>49377882
>>49377904
>>49377933
>>49377958
Are you seriously prepared to have that much money tied up during the coming recession?
Would Brave even survive?

>>49378148
If everyone is already expecting a recession then it's not coming. They only come when nobody is expecting it.

>>49378148
With 60 million monthly active users I don't think they will have a hard time raising money from VC's should they need it.

>>49376239
What changes is Brave making to the creator stuff? Did they say?

>>49378210
>>49378218
From what I've read you'll be holding for a minimum of 5 years. I suppose you're confident considering you'd rather leave your money there instead of taking advantage of when the Feds slash rates.

Fags in this thread don't realize Googe, Facebook are really adtech companies.

More than 80% of Google's revenue comes from Google ads. In 2021, Google's ad revenue amounted to 209.49 billion U.S. dollars.

98% of all of Facebook's revenue comes from ads. Facebook surpassed $100 billion revenue in 2021 for the first time, increasing its revenue by 37% year-on-year to $117.9 billion in 2021.

Amazon makes more money from ads than AWS:

https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2021/3/14/do-amazon-ads-bring-in-more-cash-than-aws

Brave has 60 millions users The user growth is insane. You have to be retarded to be bearish on BAT.

>>49375428
Chipotle accepts Bitcoin now my friend

>>49377660
0.75, just checked my earnings history and found that Brave has been giving me nothing for the last 3 months

>>49375102
I just use brave because it’s the easiest chromium browser to use, I have those stupid ads turned off

>>49378411
I don't even want to bother engaging this comment because it's not worth it and I would be talking to a wall anyways

>>49378437
Based. Even if brave took a tiny, miniscule slice of the pie we would be talking major price increase from where we are. And remember, with BAT we wouldn't just be talking about revenue on a paper, we would be actually physically pumping that amount of dollars through this illiquid token as the ad network grows. This might sound gay and unbelievable to some, but BAT could end up being one of the top performing assets of all time.

>>49378493
You're gonna miss out big time my dude

>>49375125
In the future, Brave may pivot to (opt-in) publisher ads and search ads.

This is the problem with most of fags in this thead. They can't project themselves in the future.

Brave has issues, the product is not perfect yet, but that's what you want when you invest in a company.

>>49375163
I have had it on like a year and have 23 BAT worrh like $7

>>49378588
>>49378605
I'm not even criticizing the project or idea, simply asking incredibly basic questions regarding your confidence in the future of this currency. If you fully understand the concept then you should be delighted in answering questions from prospective investors considering you created/joined this thread to discuss it.

>>49378753
Literally the only reason you'd post in this thread is to influence others to join your investment. It seems like that is the exact purpose of the OP.

>>49378753
>>49378798
Your question was why not wait until the fed cuts rates to buy? Because the next rate cycle might not be what you think if inflation becomes entrenched for one, and for two the current tightening cycle is priced in (though almost nobody understands anything about how QT or rate hikes actually work) and three, BAT can still gain in a bear market and it's already down -85% from the peak. I have a feeling you aren't actually looking for answers to your questions though.

>>49378852
>bat can still gain in a bear market
Uh huh, that’s why this TOTALLY ORGANIC and not at all an ORGANIZED SHILL THREAD is necessary and color right? The browser for people who hate ads is gonna make me rich off ads! They won’t just turn them off or leave!

>>49378852
>Your question was why not wait until the fed cuts rates to buy?
No, I was asking what makes an $80,000 investment in BAT a better choice than an $80,000 investment in literally anything else considering rates will be slashed and the market will soar.
>Because the next rate cycle might not be what you think if inflation becomes entrenched for one, and for two the current tightening cycle is priced in (though almost nobody understands anything about how QT or rate hikes actually work) and three, BAT can still gain in a bear market and it's already down -85% from the peak.
Now this is an actual answer to my question. I entered this thread curious about your incredible confidence and why you feel this is the most intelligent use of your money.
>I have a feeling you aren't actually looking for answers to your questions though.
What in God's name makes you think that?
My interest in this project?
My willingness to engage in conversation and respond to you?

>>49378957
>>I have a feeling you aren't actually looking for answers to your questions though.
>What in God's name makes you think that?
In my experience whenever someone mentions the word recession they don't want to hear anything other than how everything is going to 0 and they will be able to buy the entire world with their gold bars once it all crashes

>>49378928
dude every thread on biz is a shill thread lmao wtf are you talking about "organic" what is this a farmers market

>>49379014
im unironically going to buy the entire circ supply of bat when it dumps to 1c

>>49378493
You and probably most people, which is why the user base number is misleading.

>>49379091
>ill take what are search ads for $40 alex
try again faggot

>>49379014
I completely understand.
I personally believe we will be seeing a recession soon. This belief has made me interested in innovative and forward thinking projects. Not looking to win the lottery by investing in the one in a million idea. Just interested in things that will emerge from such a turbulent economic landscape. It's why I'm asking about your reasons for promoting this. At the very least I am curious and will be doing my proper reading on it.

>>49379068
Thank you for admitting you and your team are advertising

>>49379157
oh fuck this guy caught us. PACK IT UP BOYS THE JIG IS UP WE HAVE BEEN EXPOSED.

Team BAT Shill (also our discord server name) over and out faggot

>>49375125
>>49375102
I was getting 10 ads an hour, 30 BAT a month.

So they flagged me. Great system, wonderful.

>>49379196
0.005 BAT has been deposited into your account.

>>49379211
dude stfu you are supposed to be saying only good things remember? come back in the discord channel so we can work on your script

>>49379253
>replies to everyone
>tries to hide in sarcasm
OK

>>49379121
Just keep checking the search queries figure that Eich posts at the top of every month. That’ll ultimately become the more reliable stat compared to MAU/DAU. Right now, Brave is doing about 15% of DuckDuckGone in queries and their search engine is still in beta

>>49375848
>The way I like to look at BAT is as a growing ad network because thats basically what it is.
holy shit this finally made the puzzle click in my head. thanks for the explanation anon, I'm gonna go grab a bag!

the price is currently $0.3, how long do we have to build our sui stacks before this thing starts mooning?

>>49379374
What if Search Ads are released and it doesn't get the spike we're hoping for?

>>49376239
>>49378230
It doesn't say exactly what, but sounds like an option to let a creator know you've tipped them. Aka what they do on twitch with subscribers and "bits", or what they do on camwhore sites with "gems" or whatever they use.

Just bought another 6k BAT. Gonna push my stack to 200k at least

>>49376176
Kiwifarms is where the worst of 4chan goes right?

>>49377648
>>49377587
Lol

>>49377660
50. $20 usd worth. I've never purchased any. Bretty gud considering I did nothing. I just like the browser. If I don't want a site to have my ip, opening it in the brave tor browser is much quicker than connecting to a vpn.

>>49381259
Never go on the forum, but the kiwifarms fedi server is great