/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>49296811
Holy based

>>49296811
I think it's for those working in executive teams only

>>49296811
I will waste time no matter where I’m at. Luckily my profession has embrace remote permanently.

>>49296811
I'll never stop pretending to work for a living.
Fuck you elon

>>49296811
>he doesn't pretend to work at his actual workplace

>>49296811
If you're not self-employed wtf are you doing with your life. I cannot be cancelled nor fired arbitrarily and can choose my work hours

>>49296811
Is this just an easy way to cut down on labor costs without laying off or firing anyone? Think about it: he doesn't have to pay any unemployment or severence if they leave..

>>49297046
This. Elon is constantly shitposting on Twitter all day instead of doing any actual work, he's the last person that can call people out for this

>>49297133
well the problem is that you could have very valuable workers decide to leave. Usually when you lay off people, you lay off the ones you can afford to lose/replace.

>>49296811
First he fucks my portfolio with his stupid Bitcoin stunt, then he blue balls us with his Twitter stunt, now this
Fuck you autistic African American nigger

>>49297221
>nooo don't let the people pretending work go they need to stay

>>49297211
Why is he so rich then? I want to have 100 billion too :(

>>49296811
verification required

>>49297211
Shitposting on twitter is his actual work

>>49297266
Apple lost a very important AI scientist because of this. It doesn’t affect the average wagie only.

>>49296811
>forces workers to commute
So eco friendly lads

wfh-only is written into my contract

>>49296924
no it's EVERY worker. factory workers never had option to remote, he doesn't want anyone do any kind of work remotely.

>>49297412
for the vast majority of programming work, there is no reason to go in. but that only applies to fake/dishonest companies (most if not all of them).
is tesla an honest company with honest work? should i move to austin?
>>49297412
i wish i understood this more deeply

>>49296811

Pretend to be a CEO somewhere else hahaha

what a douche, who would want to work for a dork like this

>>49298286
the issue with programming, if you're working anything more complex than absolute routine tasks, nobody has an idea how long you work is supposed to take exactly. it takes as long as you take to finish it. at least in office they can check you were actually staring at your IDE for several hours.

>>49297333
>Why is he so rich then?
The magic of government subsidies

>>49296811
This is why his tweet about Twitter offices being repurposed as homeless shelters wasn’t meant to be taken seriously; fuck the poor get the slaves back in the cage.

Meanwhile this faggot is live streaming all day talking about bitcoin

>>49296811
What difference does it make if he gets his deliverables on time and on budget?

>>49298322
that's very true that its very hard to gauge the scope of a programming project. but it also applies to finishing the work early. at my last job, they would come to my desk and harrass me if i wasn't working (even though im done and the customer is fully happy and paying a lot). "hands on the keyboard" my boss said.
for retard bosses it can be abused like that, wage cage style

>>49296811
This is based. He knows every tech CEO hates him and will embrace the opposite of what he says. Looking out for wfh chads

>>49298394
>>49298407
they feel like they're paying for your time. how are they supposed to determine how long they should give you to get done with this deliverable? if you finish early they'll think they overestimated the time needed and expect you to work on a new task

I'm literally pretending to work at work right now

>>49298322
>nobody has an idea how long you work is supposed to take exactly

If you have competent team leads, they should know what an acceptable rate of progress is. And if you have daily scrums, they can use your updates to gauge if your progress is satisfactory.

>>49298507

Project manager detected

Take your gant charts elsewhere

>>49298500
is that supposed to be a BASED thing?

>>49296811
I guarantee this autist saw the "another day doing absolutely nothing" smugpepe.jpg wfh threads and took the shitposting seriously and is now seething thinking his wagies are taking advantage of him just like his ex wives.

>>49296811
/WFH/ general chads... I think elon seen our posts...

>>49298507
and what about the teamlead's boss and his boss and his boss...? musk probably gives out extremely broad tasks and can't individually check every layer of leadership whether they're actually doing their best.

Good thing polygon is still hiring remotely. fuck you elon sir, bad guy. sandeep good.

Good. Fuck office wagies

>>49298466
>they feel like
i dont like to cater and bend to things like that.
>how can they tell?
sometimes it's as simple as reading the commit logs or giving a call. i guess that's effort on their part, but they need to know how to figure out who's honest and who isn't anyways. effectively i'm being punished because of the actions/culture of previous lazy nog employees. it's retardation to me.
>if you finish early
if finishing early is punished with more work, that's some good incentive to pretend to work. often online and /biz/raelis emphasize making your boss have low expectations by being a slow nog.
personally i would prefer to have honest work but i struggle to find it.

>>49298595
>>49298596
consecutive posts confirm

>>49298253
Based, fuck the wimpy white collar workers who are used to too good their entire lives.

recruiters having a field day with tesla engineers today. this is so stupid.

Elon wants people to pretend to work at work

>>49298855
Eat shit faggot. I get more done at home than I did sitting in a shitty office chair having random office banter about non work related shit eat up 30 minutes at a time. I'm fortunate enough that most execs where I work agree with my opinion of it.

>>49298286
whats there to get? the young global leader is telling us who he works for

>>49298960
>“wahh wahh i have things so good it hurts"

Weak faggot, like all white collar fruit cakes.

I like working from the office
Id never get shit done otherwise and Id probably just browse 4chan for most of the day

>>49298596
i hope he gets rustled
his tax money is going to our wages

>>49299077
yeah that's the point

>>49299035
i have cognitive dissonance regarding this. i mean you're unironically right.
>>49299046
the bosses are retarded and the employees have funko pops. but not all of them! id say about 90% do.

>>49298960
>having random office banter about non work related shit eat up 30 minutes at a time. I'm

I don't think unemployed/neets on this board understand how much time is lost because of stupid shit in an office. Lunch takes a long time because you're in a group and talking about some bullshit. People walk by your desk and suddenly want to talk about some bullshit. Group coffee breaks where you go out for 30 mins at a time. Boss comes over to talk about some shit that has nothing to do with you. 10 min convos with people about something that could have been asked over slack.

People are generally social creatures. They want to talk about anything and will use any opportunity to do so. This especially wastes a lot of time in an office workplace but managers/bosses think it's ok because it promotes bonding or some shit.

>>49296811
WTF is Musk making the racist white nationalist alt-right hand sign? Uhh bros

>>49298855
Cope and seethe bitch I make 120k a year in my pajamas and no one is changing that haha

>>49296811
What kind of "remote work" do you even do in a car company?

>>49299302
teslas are just computers on wheels

>>49299200
>I don't think unemployed/neets on this board understand how much time is lost because of stupid shit in an office.
I am ok with other people wasting my time at work, its time I don't have to engage my brains with hard problems

>>49297093
You're still at the mercy of your contractors.

>>49297093
I don't have any self employable skills

>>49299454
lol that's fair enough. I personally am not very extroverted tho and tend to be "to the point" when I talk with co workers. It's torture to be part of a conversation that I don't care about but I don't want people to think I don't like them or anything so I just beat with it

so they get to pretend to work at the office, brilliant.

>>49298507
>they should know what an acceptable rate of progress is.
What about when the architect tells a client we're implementing a feature that completely conflicts with another feature and you end up spending months fighting with a framework they insisted you use in order to make that feature work after they end up changing the requirements three times?

>>49296811
Look, im just going to keep WFH and keep taking your money billionaire, It's trickle down. I just am, ok. hahahaha

>>49298500
me too anon, i shitpost here and type a lot in mIRC chat room and my boss things i'm firing away

>>49297093
>having thousands of bosses instead of one

Then working for Tesla is no longer an option
Simple as

>>49300525
What I meant was that a team lead should have a good sense for how efficient their devs should be. In the situation you described, it's not a devs problem that the client is being unreasonable so that wouldn't count against them.

>>49299302
Menial administrative tasks, same as any other company.

>>49300663
Yes sirs! Busy today!
(Playing RuneScape)

Funny. I'm pretty sure that Musk's board is going to tell him something similar pretty soon.

>>49297225
>Bitcoin
pumped his bags
>Twitter
failed investments are tax deductible
>now this
I mean, it's kinda how megalomania works. no need to seethe my guy

>>49298253
>>49296811
He's getting edgy because his crappy scam is imploding, stock is diving, products are shit and lack margin. It was always going to end in a tranwreck. The finniest part is because his stinky stock is down 40% he thinks every thing else has to go into recession. This man is a conartist always was he conned plebbit into pumping his garbage and reality is coming in on his and cathie woods asses.

>>49296811
>>49298253
I said this would happen. If they want WFH people they'll rehigher them under contract for less to complete specific tasks. Anyone that moved from a high pay high cost of living area that just moved far away are about to get culled.

>>49296811
haha

>>49301179
Truth is his shit business is shit and he has to start layoffs

>>49301179
Seethe harder I’m telecommuting or NEETing

Based Michael Burry had him sized up right. Watching Musk implode is going to be delightful

Holy based. WFH leeches back to the office so your boss can see how incompetent you are. Tick tock

>>49301158
>muh tax deductible
He still ends up with less money fucking retard. I fucking hate Americans so much it's unreal.

>>49296811
>tfw I work in the public sector and the unions are too strong to be defeated
I will never return to the office. It's fucking bullshit that you actually work more in an office anyway. You just pretend to work more. When I was in an office I spent most of my time making sure nobody was looking at my screen.

>>49301240
>Holy based. WFH leeches back to the office so your boss can see how incompetent you are. Tick tock
yes, because adding high rents and commune time, public liability insurance, ac and heating as well as leasing or buying commercial property real estate so useless middle managers can stare out above cubicles is a great way to add to a companies profit margin.

>>49301285
>>tfw I work in the public sector and the unions are too strong to be defeated
>I will never return to the office. It's fucking bullshit that you actually work more in an office anyway. You just pretend to work more. When I was in an office I spent most of my time making sure nobody was looking at my screen.
As a rule of thumb the more someone one is paid in a company the less emails they send read and respond to, the less phone calls they make and receive from other staff and the less they actually understand how the business makes money or its products. MBA culture. The fact that HR even exists as a department or that marketing has bigger budgets than customer service or development tells you all you need to know. Corporations have been dysfunctional messes for 20 years
MBAs
Sigma Six
Agile/Scum
Prince II
HR
Social Media Marketing
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^All garbage.

>>49301292
seethe my friend, seethe

>>49301387
I made it in my early 40s and have more money than I will ever need.

>>49301179
I'm buying a nice house in a small town as we've been guaranteed wfh is permanent. Jealous boomers can stay mad.

>>49298500
I jerk off to futa porn, sleep & do the bare minimum at the office. At home I feel a bit pressured to go the extra mile

>>49297093
>I cannot be cancelled
Prove it. Post your company name here so we can help you..

>>49296811
> Does people dirty with dogecoin, then crypto implodes
> Tesla known to work employees to the bone, and god help you if Elon is nearby and he decides you're an idiot (auto fired)
> Loses ESG approval for his companies
Guy is an asshole even though I like what he's doing. No one gives a fuck about 30 minute water cooler chats with Jim, to hear karen bitch about her wifes boyfriends sister for the 12th time that day, for micromanager steve to watch you over the shoulder, and tell you that work is the only social interaction he has, and for Sanjeet to cook his rancid "special curry" dish that makes the entire floor smell terrible.

Elon, being rich, always had the power to make those issues just "go away" but 99% of people can't do that.

>>49296811
hhahahahaha fuck you smug WFH fags

>>49301387
Except so many companies offer wfh nowadays that plenty of workers will just leave to pursue wfh options. All this while you are stuck in your shitty cubicle because your skills dont warrant any special privileges. Have fun with that commute faggot haha

>>49301387
You can't actually do anything anyone wants or needs can you, or if you can it is something most people can do? You literally are the retard from the British version of the office peeking out into cubicles and in your own head calling yourself the 'captain of the ship'. One way to know whether to invest in private businesses is on the walk around look for managers with side and corner offices that look out over staff in cubicles. If that is present, walk away. If that is present the business is NOT about making money but about the useless lump in the corner office keeping his benefits. You know what I used do with middle managers like you when I was salvaging companies? Put you sitting in the MIDDLE of the cubicles, where you should be so you can really see what goes on and you and I both know you only actually need half the time to do your managerial stuff so one week on the same duties as your staff and one week off on managerial. Don't worry though, I've promoted a second staff member so I can always get rid of one of you without the slightest disruption. You're a fucking dinosaur

>>49298322
>if you're working anything more complex than absolute routine tasks, nobody has an idea how long you work is supposed to take exactly.

that is why you have story points, burn down charts and breaking harder features into smaller user stories.

>>49301502
>large companies start to require in-office work
>people leave for smaller companies
>smaller companies start to pay less
>big companies salaries stay the same

I listen to audiobooks on my commute it’s one of my favorite parts of the day

I dont get this. I am far more productive at home than at any stupid office "open space'. I force my mangers to get aligned on clear goals so that I always deliver my work.

What is the literal added value of working at the office? I do more "pretending to work" at the office for that matter.

>>49298370
Hes very serious about that because the "employees" at twitter do absolutely nothing.

>>49301502
>because your skills dont warrant any special privileges.
I don;t know how many middle managers I;ve seen breaking down in tears when their buildings are wound up with the same line, about one a day
"But...but...I don't knooow hooooow toooooo doooooo anything!" looking at you like you are meant to feel fucking sorry for them. So fucking glad I never have to sit in the same room as these useless fucks ever again.

>>49301576
>that is why you have story points, burn down charts and breaking harder features into smaller user stories.
>>49301572
>You can't actually do anything anyone wants or needs can you

More bullshit. O my.

>>49301668
>Argument not detected

>work at fortune 100 company
>show up at office like once a month
>old fucks show up EVERYDAY
>baby boomer employees keep hinting at a return to office, because they miss their water cooler chats and hate their wives
>chad millennial and gen z workers refuse to
>company wants to retain young talent

retire and die old fucks so I can buy your houses

Here's hope a nice big war can haul western business culture from the nosedive it took around 2000 with completely garbage worthless pseudo religious crap providing employment to the useless examples:
HR (neither a lawyer or a piece of payroll software)
Sigma Six
ITIL
SCUM
AGILE
PRINCE II
ISO ANYTHING

>Elon is a science man and makes technocratic decisions
>Led by le science
https://www.apollotechnical.com/working-from-home-productivity-statistics/

Elon just wants to exercise power.

>>49301755
>Sigma Six
>ITIL
>SCUM
>AGILE
>PRINCE II
>ISO ANYTHING
these arent roles or functions at companies and HR is a business function.

Are you retarded?

>>49301572
These. Guys are baiting.
Everyone with an IQ above 80 knows wfh is chad tier. Why
Because you get the one thing back that can’t be bought
You get back the one resource that elon himself tried to buy in bulk
You get that one slice of thing, that even a peasant making 7.25/hr can achieve
>time
You get you’re fucking time back

So unless you truly love the job
Or you have a failed marriage
Or your escaping something at home or maybe you have nothing of substance in your own life that you need a place to flex your high school like reality for 8hrs in a white walled fluorescent prison..

Then corporate life is for you, potluck on Wednesday & be sure to wear green for barbs birthday. Be sure to refresh on your corporate babble baby speak so we can synergize and find out North Star this monday during the huddle.

>>49301718
Worth not detected. I ask you the same question I used do when I was stealth desk siding places for cannibal value, what do you friends and family ask you for help with? (answers I'm looking for, accounts, fixing their computers, legal advise, AC, car etc). Answers I get from middle managers - minding the kids, doing the dishes (he he he), mowing the lawn (he he he). Fucking parasites.

As of Tesla didn't go to shit enough already the past couple years. This is the quickest way to get rid of your actually intelligent employees. Probably a death sentence for Tesla

>>49301778
You are actually retarded aren't you? Literally mind broken by the bullshit you failed to recognise as such you think is real. Let me guess, you model process or some other worthless shit.

>>49299466
If you have several contractors it doesn't matter if one leaves.

>>49301778
>HR is a business function
Why do you even believe that is true?
What does HR DO?
Do you even know?
Because accounts can run payroll and 401K
Legal can do employment contracts and compliance policy
So what does HR do?
Does anyone know?
The answer is nothing except commit the unforgivable sin, try and make themselves non expendable by sabotaging company profits in that aim

>>49301598
You think only small companies offer wfh? Maybe in the industry you work in. I see tech jobs offering 200k+ wfh positions all the time, all big companies youve heard of. Also that cope about you listening to audio books sounds really sad. Lmao @ you

>>49296847
AHAHAHA

>>49298500
I literally spent 30 minutes talking about Mexican food today at the office. Another 20 minutes shooting the shit while drinking coffee. At least a total of 30 minutes sitting in the toilet. Then an hour lunch, quick coffee break, going to a quick lap around the building with a coworker, and probably 15 minutes watching videos of my coworkers dogs. This doesn't even count the times I just zone out and fuck around. Anyone who says eth can't be productive is not being honest with how much time is being wasted in the office.

>>49301914
Hr helps stop lawsuits against the company. It’s main goal is to protect the company from employees

>>49296811
>all Tesla employees must report to work at least 40 hours a week
BASED
Elon has no room for zoomer incels that don't want to leave home to work. glad that elon took the republicanpill. nothing wrong with supporting a working class. it's what made america great during the 1950's and 60's

>>49301598
>my commute it’s one of my favorite parts of the day
Oh for fuck sake. It is david fucking brent in person. I bet you listen to self improvement shit by people with fake tans and headsets because you are empowering yourself and thinking positive.

>>49301943
And should be the job of legal as HR is by definition not qualified. Thank you for illustrating my point. HR has no business function

>>49301939
Truth is that there's potential to be a lazy fuck and/or do work avoidance both in the office&WFH. The difference is that in WFH, bosses tend to be more strict because they're under the impression that WFH is too much of a benefit/privilege, that if you're not being productive during 100% of your adherence, they'll think that you're a lazy fuck that is abusing that 'privilege'.

>>49302051
.

>>49301969
And you can all go back to the 1970s office when w3age inflation reaches 400% matching the cost overheads involves. Nice. Let me know where you work so I don't buy the stock in it. Next how traveling salesmen in company cars on commission are an invaluable part of the company even though you have emails from clients asking if they can just do business on the phone and via email and the most important thing is that they answer the phone.

>>49302111
Yup and he would exist just as well by being in an office (if not even better) you fucking retard

>>49301221
>>49301423
I manage a IT field office for a large corporation. I know first hand who got sent WFH. You are all non essential and replaceable.

>>49297211
how long does it take you to write a tweet, 3 hours? get your finger outta your ass ya fuckin loser

>>49302189
Probably true but when 'essential' is logging into something to authorise payments and open envelopes you really have to ponder the meaning of life

>>49302199
Depends how much coke he has had.

>>49298370
>49298370
It aint real livestream. Its just scam. Its few years old livestream playing over and over on fake channels. If you click them you see it says "Send 0,5 bitcoin to this adress xxxxxxx, Get 1 bitcoin back"

Basically faking that Elon Musk is streaming they try to get you to send crypto to their addresses.

>>49301914
HR is globohomo's distributed implementation of a commissar model. Once you're past a certain employee number, you just have to hire them and bend to their whims. If you don't, any employee can file for a BS civil rights/discrimination grift and you will instantly lose. By not following their prescriptions you are not following the science (academic consensus) that dictates you must have the expert-prescribed poz-appendage department that keeps everyone in check and certifies your company as compliant to the horde. Its function is much like that of any other priestly ruling class. It's far too common for people to think they have no role at all and they don't really understand how power has worked and shifted to informal networks in the modern, globalized world.

I am so fucking clad I don;t have to deal with any of this thrash any more. End conclusion. The reason that wagies are what they are is in the end that they are stupid which is why having to have anything to do with them is so awful and why wagie life is so horrible, it is in fact populated by the stupid and agony for anyone who is not retarded.

>>49302227
I'm not hating on WFH, just warning people. I question the logic of moving to areas that don't have any employment for you if you get laid off. There is no guarantee you'll find good paying WFH jobs during a recession. Living near a large metro gives you more options.

My office helped cooperate people that move hours from the closest main office.

>>49302294
O I funny understand how the HR office has expanded itself and destroyed business efficiency for the last two decades. I never said otherwise. However it is in fact quite simple, the business without it is more efficient by definition. Threat of lawsuit is insufficient cause. Most lawsuits take place where their ARE HR departments QED they do not help mitigate them

>>49302361
You are in IT so you are probably several leagues of usefulness and intelligence ahead of the subject matter being discussed and invariably are near suicidal from having to deal with the types of individuals being discussed.

>>49302189
>You are all non essential and replaceable.
and you aren't ?

>>49302395
Okay.

based as fuck
show no mercy to the goyim

>>49301502
I would kill for a cubicle. Fucking open office concept with all your monitors pointing to the bosses desk.

Signs of an inefficient company
High meeting count
(this is the biggest one, daily, weekly meetings between people who sit on the same floor)
HR Initiatives
(Anything to do with diet, fitness etc etc)
Accounting department that Prints a lot
(Yes really)
Sales managers and directors who cannot use the product
(yes really)
A bigger budget for social media marketing than inventory hedging (yes really)
etc etc etc

Don't care what an evil white male apartheid baby like Elon thinks. Never. Going. Back.

If I can't work from home 1-2 days a week I'll quit

>>49302460
Ah open offices, cubicles, different ways to make the workplace miserable and unproductive invented by fat little men who can't actually do anything anyone wants or needs.

>>49297333
bro you think uberwealthy people work for their money?

>>49302529
I did. I only have 15-20M though honestly it is all I need though. I don't like boats, cars etc etc

>>49301820
>arguement not detected
Imagine not being able to have the cognitive capability to form a content-based argument

>>49302370
It is more efficient for the business as a for-profit private entity in an idealized free market model. It is not efficient for the globalized political rule that blurs whatever lines there might still be between public and private.
Naturally, lawsuits can take place with HR departments, but if you don't have one you're painting yourself as negligent at worst in the eyes of the law. Any lawyer can and will conjure up the unassailable expert/academic consensus surrounding the purported efficiency of all that HR dogma. Technical efficiency doesn't matter so much as perceived efficiency by the ruling ideology for this purpose.
What I wish to convey is that HR plays a very important role as ideological enforcers for ruling power, one that has been replicated across cultures of sacerdotal classes throughout history. One might be directly opposed to its purpose, but a purpose it does have.

Just checked linkedin and there are literally thousands of remote only jobs in tech. Some are even from FAANG.

Get a better job and you can work remote.

>>49301852
>You are actually retarded aren't you?
I think the only retard is you since you dont classify things correctly and thus dont really understand them.

>>49302521
How easy it was, thought Winston, if you did not look about you, to believe that the physical type set up by the Party as an ideal-tall muscular youths and deep-bosomed maidens, blond-haired, vital, sunburnt, carefree -- existed and even predominated. Actually, so far as he could judge, the majority of people in Airstrip One were small, dark, and ill-favoured. It was curious how that beetle-like type proliferated in the Ministries: little dumpy men, growing stout very early in life, with short legs, swift scuttling movements, and fat inscrutable faces with very small eyes. It was the type that seemed to flourish best under the dominion of the Party.

>>49301179

contractors cost nearly 2x more than salaried wagecucks

>>49302189
where the fuck are they gonna find someone to sit through 5 teams meetings a day for only $200k

>>49302553
I'll take your word for it but I think you made seed capital through labor and invested it intelligently, which is still more work than the majority of highly wealthy people ever put in

>>49301939
Same. I accomplish infinitely less at the office.
I did about 45 minutes of real work, in a 9hr work day.

>>49296811
Tesla’s stock is gonna crash and this faggot retard is gonna be removed as CEO.

>>49302189
Hey retard.

i wfh before Covid. I wfh all the time.

As a software engineer there is no need to be in an office, I am more productive at home.

>>49302665
Kek

>>49302189
Ok, boomer. Not even 'remotely' (hehe) true but sure whatever you gotta tell yourself.

>>49296811
>masonic 666
It’s all so tiresome

>>49302837
that would be so funny

>>49296811
TSLA will be worth less than $20 by EOY
And it will still be over valued

>>49297225
Youre crying about his BTC stunt and not his faggot dogshitcoin stunt he ruined the golden bullrun with last year?
Normie faggot kys.

>>49296811
So he's just going to fire people who will be immediately rehired by the competition? Every other car company is begging for people with EMV experience. Sounds like a great way to kneecap themselves in their one major advantage over the big boys

i am permanent wfh and we are even hiring more people. the company hired so many people they want wfh, because the building is full as it is even hybrid. i work in finance. wfh permanently is here to stay for a lot of finance industry outside of those who for SEC reasons need to legally be on site for trading.

>go back to work
No, don't think I will

We are in a transitional phase where a lot of boomers and angry execs are mad their downtown "investment" in office space is getting shit on and are throwing a tantrum but the smart companies understand that there is no reason to sacrifice 1-2 hours a day commuting to potentially be even less productive. A lot of traditions got blown the fuck out during covid and people are moving forward.

>>49296811
oh no jon tesla did a thing again
herbs

>>49303497
>but anon, we have to maintain our vibrant company culture!
>more cowbell, right Don!? haha!
>Susan, I hope you bring those famous homemade mini corn dogs to the company Junestravaganza!
>Darius, we need some slick tunes this time, how about some Ludacris! Holla Holla!
>whoa anon, you responded “maybe” to the LGTBQ+ Awareness Fun Run this Saturday! Not a good look with your performance review this week!
>Haha there’s my man Derrick, the sales ninja! He closed three deals this week, someone get this guy a Diet Wild Blueberry Raspberry Shasta, on me! haha!

>>49302741
>, which is still more work than the majority of highly wealthy people ever put in
I have word as a waiter, janitor, barman, cattle hand, gamekeeper security, soldier, taxi driver, paramedic, software engineer, systems administrator, care assistant, bodyguard, network consultant, security consultant, antique deader, property developer, investment scavenger in M&A and probably a few things I'm forgetting. I've also just been lucky. BUT over the last two decades the larger end of SME and corporate has fallen apart and is ready for the scrapheap. Market forces will do this anyway just like they shredded the USSR.

>>49301598
>I listen to audiobooks on my commute it’s one of my favorite parts of the day

>>49303659
>>49303659
>vibrant company culture!

>>49298500
Same man. Office job. Never was able to wfh. Honestly get nothing done in office. If I hear someone walking down the hall I pretend like I’m typing.

>>49301598
>the best part of his day is the commute
What a miserable existence. I try to tell them there's another way

>>49303684
>BUT over the last two decades the larger end of SME and corporate has fallen apart and is ready for the scrapheap.
Examples, most SME and corporate accounts are massively retarded idiots printing things out and making pivot tables in excel. 90% could be automated and made redundant tomorrow. Virtually all sales managers are in effect functionally useless, virtually anything connected with social media marketing, print advertising or branding, all warehouse middle managers and 30% of staff, all HR departments and there are far to many directors in most companies, cull half of them. The only hire gain is possibly in cleaners, far to many companies outsource this and that is a bad idea. There is very little reason for meetings, physical or inhouse receptionists, stationary cupboards, printers, cheques, staplers, line managers, retail managers or in fact most of retail itself. Middle managers have no reason to exist any more. They should kill themselves. There will be less jobs and they will produce more.

Why does it feel like the ones that complain about others working habits the most, typically work the least? Not saying Elon hasn't worked a hard day in his life... but he also comes off as an incredible grifter.

>>49303770
>Same man. Office job. Never was able to wfh. Honestly get nothing done in office. If I hear someone walking down the hall I pretend like I’m typing.

>>49298253
>coming into work is antiquated

these people really do want to live in the pod, don't they?

>>49303995
>these people really do want to live in the pod, don't they?
pod>cubicle>open plan

Company culture in 2022:
>today we are pausing all commercial and operational activities to have a company-wide in-person fireside chat on systemic racism, structural inequality, and uplifting marginalized and underserved communities
>you will find in your email inbox some “pre-work” - we expect you to detail three recent incidents when your inherent bias and/or racism resulted in harm to a relationship, business dealing, or personal interaction
>these are mandatory and all employees will read theirs aloud to the group
>for our white male employees, we have deducted 5% of your PTO and redistributed it to your female teammates and teammates of color.
>additionally, we require everyone to sign this anti-bigotry pledge, wear this rainbow lanyard, attach this trans-inclusive pin to your clothing, and share this company post from our DEI officer on your personal LinkedIn page.
>tomorrow we will hear a lecture from a queer business consultant on how to work with clients and customers who are LGBTQ+
>we appreciate your efforts as we work as a team to make Conglomo the most inclusive company in the country!

>>49304031
>>tomorrow we will hear a lecture from a queer business consultant on how to work with clients and customers who are LGBTQ+

>>49303995
its the opposite. wagies want to go to the office to suck off mr goldstein while WFH chads don't give a fuck about any of that gay office shit

>>49304164
work from the pod
get food delivered to the pod
consume netflix from the pod
do not ever leave the pod

Work/life balance? That's antiquated. Work where you live, live where you work. Progress!

>>49296811
He’s strengthening his blue collar base. Every move this man makes is calculated. He’s the most important man of this century.

Can someone explain what this dudes work day is like I’ve only ever seen him give dumb podcast interviews and shitpost on Twitter

>>49304338
That's a good question. I've only seen him walk around his factories, grift as an autistic savant, boss people around.

>>49304338
He is a puppet and nothing more. Sold his soul very early on for his riches and fame and is glad to be a figurehead for companies and ventures that further the globohomo Masonic agenda. He has probably done unspeakably inhuman things to be in the position that he’s in.

>>49304220
>work from the pod
The office is also a pod, at least at home you get to have 100% control over your environment

>get food delivered to the pod
I cook more than ever now that I WFH, no more takeaways for me

>consume netflix from the pod
irrelevant

>do not ever leave the pod
I leave whenever I please to go for a walk to clear my head, get some quick shopping done, etc

>Work/life balance? That's antiquated
Explain to me how commuting is improving your work-life balance retard

>>49304635
>walking? During prime selling hours!?
>anon, hop on a call with myself and our Regional District VP of Western Mid-Atlantic East (East region) Sales, Steve McVondenscholdenberg to discuss

>>49304220
Hoooly cope. My work life balance has been better since wfh. Not to mention the hours I get back from not having to commute like a mindless drone. Have you ever done wfh or are you just another seething office cuck?

>>49296811

Neets freak out!
They might have leave their room.
No more all-nighters filling their piss bottles, they have to sleep on a 'normal' schedule.

How will they dilate in the office???

>>49305171
He's ass mad, a retard and probably a tranny. Simple as

>>49304495
Like does he build things or is he a master coder

>>49303995
wfh is ascending the pod and the faggot WEF. Wagies who can't wfh can't accept this fact, sad

>>49299035
It also stands for white power.

>>49296811

>started WFH contract role for very large national Fortune 100 company
>"you can WFH forever as long as you want we make too much money to give a shit"
>call into their help desk line to get my VPN set up
>"yeah, when you go through the activation system, choose the prompts for in the office, we haven't gotten rid of them yet but no one is in the office"
Thankfully I service a reliable part of the business but I'm sure I'm on the chopping block if the wind starts changing direction and WFH turns out to cause space aids or something retarded
just as well, they're paying me as if I live in new york city and I live in a hut in the texas desert

>>49297211
he only tweets when hes taking a shit.

>filling out taxes
>special fucking note to deduct your whole expensives

White collar office workers are in a whole fucking different world, some of these people have so much entitlement... theyncreate all this bureaucratic bullshit too

>>49305171
The people advocating for a return to the office are either extraordinarily oversocialized leftists or conservatards who think working in an office is somehow even remotely like it was in the 80s. Working in an office now is gay as fuck, you have to pretend to care about a bunch of people outside your age and race, which no one does. Office culture is retarded HR driven garbage and I want nothing to do with it. Just let me write software, and log off for the day when I am done.

>>49306888
>Just let me write software, and log off for the day when I am done.

Just do not work for Tesla or any other company that wants you in the office.
Last job was software development in a quite room with just three guys and no visitors.
Had to wear wear a tie and be in the office by 8.
Why we had to wear ties?
No one knows since we never had anyone visit us.
If you pay me enough I will wear a monkey suit.

Home for me has way too many distractions.

Cringe

I know I am seeing a lot of back-and-forth on this topic, but I really need to push back and raise some red flags here. Having an on-site office presence is foundational to our ability to drive efficiencies in a corporate landscape. It's in our DNA. Sure, there is no one size fits all or silver bullet. Remote is only keeping us at a 30,000-foot-view of things. Being on-site, however, allows us to get better granularity, find better directional-indicators or loop back and dive deep into some critical issues on a go-forward basis.

I think if you all start spending more time in the office again, you'll find yourself trending toward the positive, but you'll have to keep an eye on the puck. Gut through it, reduce thrash, and let's stay in lock-step on this. Yes, we will synergize! I think given that we've been remote for so long it's easy to forget the benefits of working in the office.

What's the root cause of the hatred of corporate office spaces? Putting my layman's hat on and guess that it comes from movies such as Office Space and Dilbert cartoons. But we all know that these are fictional spaces, and real office spaces allow us to touch base in a much more efficient manner.

I have to time-box this comment, as I have a hard-stop in a moment when I will have to jump onto a call. So, just one more point that I want to cover-off on: let's socialize the idea of having more office presence and loop back to see whether we're being more impactful. From a management standpoint, I think that we can get the traction to do it.

So, net/net, ignore the naysayers, sidebar the folks that are stuck in the weeds, and don't waste cycles or bandwidth on folks that don't align strongly with this mission. Try it out, and we'll have another touch point in a little while to see if we've moved the needle. Remember, our north star hasn't changed. We're still championing our core values remotely and we will only do it better in person.

If you need me, I will be online again in a bit.

>>49296811
my boss worships him and is probably going to rugpull wfh after this

>>49300850
kek

>>49296811
He's making too many enemies lately.

>>49296811
He must be really pissed off after the twitter fiasco, now he is lashing out at his own employees

Kek

>>49307623
Y-yamete PHB-san... not like this...

>>49301284
all he did was buy some stock, did you think he spent the 40 billion already? I know retards are quick to anger but this is impressive.

His loss
He'll be the one paying the energy bills now

Here's your flappy fish market coin guys

tg molluskinu
0x E2cE8bE0d4d274085852E4A68076D8EEC4FFd1fc

>>49307623
Linkedin is cancer

>>49296811
I'm not an advocate for working hard, but he's right about this. Anyone who talks about being more productive at home is trying to scam you. The only argument you could reasonably make is that because of no commute you could spend more time in the day working.

>>49308350
I wasted full 8 hour days in the office before remote work happened.

>>49296811
insanely based, fuck WFHFags

Very based have fun with your 2 hour city commute office fags

>>49296811
elon is such a faggot kek

>>49308287
kek

>>49308350
Why do people think this?

>>49296811
He also evicted some of them for the luls.

WFH means less reason to buy a Tesla for the commute.

>>49301165
I agree.

>a car company ceo dislikes working from home

>>49298595
>shitposting
Huh?

IM NEVER GOING BACK INTO AN OFFICE
>FUCK WATER COOLER TALK
>FUCK BOOMERS
>FUCK "HUDDLES"
>FUCK STACIES WHO DO NOTHING ALL DAY
>FUCK BOSSES
>FUCK EXECUTIVES
>FUCK HR
>FUCK NIGGERS
>FUCK JEWS

>>49298635
That’s why you hire competent leadership. You don’t need to micromanage if you have them

>>49307623
Even knowing you’re just memeing, reading this causes me pain.

>>49307623
I had almost forgotten how much hearing mid and upper level management spew nonsensical corporate jargon designed to hide their own incompetence made me sick.

>>49298253
>this is less than we ask of factory workers
based to be desu

>>49299454
some of us have real jobs where we have projects that take a long time to complete, not just checking out customers at a register, eat shit faggot you work tier 1 helpdesk at most

>>49296811
>>49298253
you retards he's saying the email is fake and they should fake work somewhere else as a joke

>>49298286
As a software engineer, I’ve been doing fuck all since wfh started.

>>49298960
You are one sad soiboy. Pathetic little bitch.

>>49301179
>about to get culled
Stop I can only get so erect

>>49302189
The Seethe and cope elicited from your post is proof you are dead right. WFH is an exit position.
/thread

>>49298253
Elon is no dummy and he knows he needs to crack the whip. WFH was a godsend but a pandemic is a very special situation, this is going to be reeled back employers aren't going to want to be cheated out of time and money.

>>49304031
>Conglomo
holy kek

>>49301165
everything else did go into recession you retard
The recent drop was as worse than the 2008 crash

I work for the gubberment. And Im not even allowed to come to work every day. Some people havent been to work 2 years.

kek my work is trying to get us back into the office and they want unvaxxed chads to wear masks the whole time we're there, it's hilarious because I'm the last guy on the team that supports 2 of their major apps that they rely on for millions of dollars in revenue, so they have no way to enforce it. If they fired me they'd be screwed because it takes like 3 months just to get a grasp on the insanely massive and undocumented codebase, and probably closer to a year before they could make changes with any confidence that they wouldn't break something else.
So I can be an uppity wagie working from home and they can't do shit about it without screwing themselves.

I hope they all walk to VW and Toyota and wreck his shit company

>>49296811
He has a muskrat fur toupee perched on top of his head.

>>49314909
You'd be surprised how stupid employers can be. The last business I worked for got taken over by investors. They fired all directors and most staff and replaced them with their own friends. And then the business sank like a brick because nobody knew how the business as a whole functioned.

>>49314909
Change variable and class names for absolutely indecypherable shit and then walk out on them.

>>49301939
>>49302757
I feel like one of the few that's more productive in the office. My phone's wifi is better at home, but at work, all my coworkers talk about football for at least an hour a day.

>>49296811
>He realises the exonomy is going to tank and he needs to lay people off.
>He doesn’t want more bad media attention from firings.
Hes actually 5head and is handing the wagie the bullets to a 180degree gun. Who do you think “leaked” the email.

I got fired from my WFH job because I kept taking naps while putting a paper clip on the down key in an excel file so I wouldn't appear away, gooning, playing video games and watching youtube videos and movies instead of working and missing deadlines.
Before I knew it, the sun would already be down and I didn't get any work done. I would just shut down the laptop to remove the stress and set my alarm clock earlier so I would get my work done in the morning but I ended up snoozing until it was the official working hours and the cycle would repeat.

Why does the rest of the laptop class pretend that WFH hasn't absolutely tanked productivity in many companies? Is it so unreasonable to make the conclusion that the same people bragging about doing vaccuming and yardwork when they should be working, might not be as productive as they used to be.

This isn't just an out of touch boomer management issue like everyone seems so desperate to paint it as.

>>49315208
Why didnt you screen record an 8 hour video of you actually working and just play it full screen every day?

>>49315208
I have been doing this for 2.5 years now and am still not fired, but I actually manage to get work done.

It's nice because I get to play with my kid during the day, but I basically don't get any sleep anymore and have gained weight as a result.

>>49315225
who gives a fuck these companies aren’t innovating anyway and they’ll slog along whether everyone gives it 100% or 5%

>>49307623
I worked at Teva for a while and this is really how anyone that was a bit higher up talked. Scary accuracy.

>>49298394
Because companies don't want to deal with insurance and taxes in every state and nation out there. They want you back in their home state.

>>49307623
I love these posts

>>49301409
>early 40s
are we really here forever?

>>49309852
so they all try to sound like The Architect from Matrix Reloaded? i work at a casino and our manager is cool af and when he speaks to me or anyone else at work on a one-on-one basis, it's just like we're talking to a friend, however whenever he's on the news or writes an email, he just for lack of a better term, "Turns on", he's capable of communicating like a top-tier management professional utilizing more advanced words and less conjunctions than he would normally do if you just shot the shit with him. it's a neat skill

>>49302024
Hehe love how shitty he is as a boss. I think UK office set me up to realise my work isn’t so bad and I can handle all manner of situations.

>>49302261
The fact that this has to be explained shows how fall /biz/ has fallen in IQ. This place is no better than reddit these days.

I suspect Elon is almost as bad as Jeff to work for. Big difference though - I don't have shares in Jeff. Pump my bags and stfu, Tesla wagie, 40 hours isn't enough.

>>49296811
Engineering is a tough job, they should be held to high standards, Musk is right

>>49307623
>So, just one more point that I want to cover-off on
This entire post is brilliant, but this part is especially so

>>49296811
He's specifically referring to employees.that are milking the WFH COVID standards for as long as possible while wasting his time and not actually working.

The past pandemic has fooled the clerical caste that they can just coast through life without working hard and they are in for a ride awakening.

What a dick head. People shouldn't be forced to work

>>49296811
>Pretend to work somewhere else
Seems a bit unfair. He gets to pretend he founded the company. Why can't they pretend they do work for it?

>>49299035
>>49297412
Meds

>>49315225
Because the numbers state otherwise.

>>49296811
If you can't trust someone to work from home, you can't trust them to work from the office either.
There's a reason why Tesla's products are so shit, it's because treating their staff like shit means that only shit people work there.

>>49307623
its funny but too real, it hurts, stop pls

>>49316170
40 hour work week is a relic of the past. i'm not a machine operator wagie in a factory pulling levers and pushing buttons from 6:00 AM to 2:30 PM. white people who use their brain in white collar jobs have sporadic and irregular work schedules. i shouldn't be chained to a desk, paying time and money for a commute and fighting normalnigger rush hour traffic, just to look busy for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.

t. perm wfh chad

>>49308350
I have to hot desk when I go into the office and can end up with a janky ass monitor, or a missing cable or a broken dock just a waste of time.

At home I have a 3 monitor setup, my personal toilet! no fucken pubes or horrendous co-workers diets the paint the toilet walls and my kitchen fully stocked with coffee and food. I'm so much more productive and happier at home

Also I don't get interrupted by Karen showing me her kids finger paintings of the family and feigning interest

>>49304031

They made us stand outside for the raising of the gay flag. I wish I was memeing.

>>49306411

You don't get health insurance, bonuses, vacation or paid holidays. Contracting is cucked as fuck.

t. forever contractor at globohomo

>>49318235
but dont you also not have to pretend to be working like these wagies in this thread? Afaik it seems like being self employed means you are selling your work and not your time, like a normal employee

>>49307623

>>49296811
can confirm i work for tesla and he literally said that word for word to my face

>>49315208
>gooning

>>49315225
>Why does the rest of the laptop class pretend that WFH hasn't absolutely tanked productivity in many companies?

Because it hasn't. We successfully merged two gigantic companies ERP and payroll systems remotely.

>>49318273

Most globohomo contractors are in between a true independent contractor and a normal salaried wagecuck. I am an employee of a staffing agency that stands between me and the corporation.

>>49299046
Kys bootlicker

>>49298855
I make up for the daily two hour commute by working 4 of those hours remote for another company during my work hours, even though I used to work unlogged overtime in the past while at home. :^)

Lmao this thread is filled with sour grape blue collar cucks
My office actually sold 2 of our buildings and has stated we are now a wfh company permanently. Seethe more little laborcuck but try not to wear yourself out too much, plenty of boxes still need moving tomorrow :^)
I wouldn’t know however, I’ll be spending my morning making some crepes and watching a movie while working as I usually do

>>49318487
>Most globohomo contractors are in between a true independent contractor and a normal salaried wagecuck. I am an employee of a staffing agency that stands between me and the corporation.

i'm not familiar with american law- what does this mean for yuropoors?

>>49296811
take your index finger and thumb, and lightly grip the base of your tail...

>>49298370
That is not a real Livestream you moron

>>49318567
>Admits to being a rootless white collar

So whats to stop organized labor from telling u to fuck off off like the canadian truckers

You white jew

>>49314909
Anon everyone thinks this about their job but everyone is replaceable. I dont mean that to be rude to you but its a fact of life that literally everyone is replaceable in the wagie world. Thats why you have to look out for yourself and have an exit plan.

>>49318961
Probably the fact that they only have $31.76 in their savings account and a crippling skoal addiction.
Our company was more than enough in the green last year to hire some scabs if it were ever to come to that
Now go move your box little laborcuck :^)

>first world problems
boohoo my boss is making me show up to a nice, air conditioned office to make 6 figs a year

>>49319244
Nice projection jew, in fact u mispelled crippling student debt at a time of labor shortages, you indentured servent

Meanwhile i already paid off my house and ur stuck in the city hell holes

Only white jews and middle management project fiscal irresponsibility when all they ever touched was credit and debt

>>49319591
Tick tock tick tock little labor cuck. Better get back to the line before your line manager writes you up again!
I’ll be playing videogames while making 4x your hourly salary. Thank you for your service! ;^)

>>49319591
>stuck in the city
>wfh
Once again the laborcuck demonstrates his sub 80 I “worked” from the beach today while getting plastered in the ocean.

>>49307623
FUCK OFF!!!!

>>49297046
>new job
>been here a month
>sit on my phone all day
maybe it’s because it’s DoD, but things seem excessively slow around here

>>49315225
Corporate jobs make everything seem like its a race but in reality there are too many parts for it to ever be a race. You are always waiting for someone else to finish something before you can continue.
t. Wfh chad

>>49307623
>{wanking and crying whilst reading}
+that's+ what they mean when they say powerful leadership

>>49302199
>how long does it take you to write a tweet, 3 hours?
How did you get access to my timesheet?

>>49319705
>>49319857
>>49320129
Sweetie touch grass and have sex


get out of ur self imposed solitary confinement and coordinate with othe workers

>>49319560
It must suck posting this from your poor rural village pajeet

>>49315006
Nah that never works because we use source code control and it's trivial to change undo a commit like that. You'd have to spend years making slightly more incomprehensible changes mixed in with real changes to do anything like that.
>>49314971
>>49318982
Yeah they could fire me at any time, it would be a retarded decision but I'm prepared for that, I could easily live off investments/savings for a few years while I find new work or work on my own business. I'm actually a bit underpaid for my role so it would work out better for me no matter what happens.

>>49320355
Naw, he's right you guys sound first world problem as fuck

Remote work is the biggest lie of the decade.
>be code monkey
>get promoted for being good at code, so now I don't code anymore (nice system you have there)
>pandemic hits
>still go to office because I FUCKING HATE STAY AT HOME (specially during pandemic, when everyone decide to yell at their partners non stop for the useless shit and police don't even bother to come if none is bleeding)
>notice work going down hill, literally losing 10% productivity every month
>one employee decide to try the luck as a streamer WHILE ON WORKING HOURS
>one had the audacity of became a delivery boy during office hours (I KNOW BECAUSE I A CAR HIT HIS BIKE AND HE END IN A HOSPITAL)
>check vpn logs
>some did not login for days
>make a list
>start to fire people
>they show up for the firing medical examination
>everyone is extremely unhealthy after 1 year of working from home
>one guy gained 20 kg, and he was already is fat fuck

>>49321782
>>they show up for the firing medical examination

do yuropoors really?

>>49321827
I am from south america.
But yeah, medical care is a thing outside USA.

You can't fire someone if you cause a permanent damage to his health due the work. Thankfully this do not include being a lazy fuck and slowly destroy your health eating large amounts of sugar.

I often stop being productive after lunch, I think a better version of the wfh is a studio type hybrid system, or a partial day requirement. Basically people can come in do meetings and coordination, then be granted time to work on their stuff without constant hen-pecking. This part could be optional in terms of being at home or in the office. My office did this for a while and I found it a really good work flow since we do things/projects with hard deadlines and don't really need to be in meetings or looking over each others shoulders the whole day.

>>49321454
The only people I see bitching in this thread are butthurt tradies and office cucks who seem to wish wfh never existed. Get over it lmao

I've been full on WFH for about 6 years now. I use the time to shit post, watch movies, play games, work out, learn new skills, etc. But I also never leave my office during my 8 hour shift and maintain productivity the same way as I did when I worked in an office.
I fucking detest all the people who started to WFH during the coof since you retards fuck everything up, now I'm monitored way more then I ever was before. Most people can't self manage, they legit need a task master over them because they're noting more then fucking animals in people clothing.

>>49319591
>muh debt
If you actually picked a not retarded field this is a literal nothingburger.
>>49322297
I figured this would be the ultimate end for WFH as far as jobs worth a shit go. Power tripping limp dicked management and rent Jews aside, so many fucking people at all kinds of jobs need direct supervision for the simplest things. If something were to go tits up they will literally just stand there and do nothing until someone with perceived authority gives them an order, so go fucking figure these same mouth breathers end up not doing dick at home since god forbid they don’t have a master lording over their ass every second.

>>49322622
>so many fucking people at all kinds of jobs need direct supervision for the simplest things. If something were to go tits up they will literally just stand there and do nothing until someone with perceived authority gives them an order, so go fucking figure these same mouth breathers end up not doing dick at home since god forbid they don’t have a master lording over their ass every second.

Only useless middle managers believe this. In reality people get shit done because otherwise they get blame when some disaster happens.

>>49322622
>If something were to go tits up they will literally just stand there and do nothing until someone with perceived authority gives them an order, so go fucking figure these same mouth breathers end up not doing dick at home since god forbid they don’t have a master lording over their ass every second.
This is the truth for a good 3/4 of people from my observation. After the larger adoption of WFH, I had to step in and sort out TONS of cluster fuck situations because without daddy management literally standing over someone at their desk, they would just go "XYZ production server is down..." and not file a ticket, not do anything really. These people can't function without authority to direct them, be it senior positioned co-workers, management, or even an alert on their desktop, they have to be told to do "the thing", whatever that may be.
Applying this to people's home lives, its understandable why so many people are useless outside of work situations as well. Tons of credit debt, tons of subscription services that they never add up how much it really costs them monthly, lack of ability to generally future plan.
These "people" are like dust

Just don't go back to the office. It's that easy.

>>49322890
This. Its easy to tell who is not pulling their weight in a team setting where people depend on each other. Thats why tech is so successful in a wfh setting with agile and scrum project management frameworks.

>>49322897
and this is why TSLA stock is rising back up. Musk is taking initiative. i'm sure he's sick and tired of all the excuses for lack of productivity between management, directors, supervisors among their teams who WFH. a business needs that interpersonal operability in order to succeed at max capacity. it can't be done at home. it's unbelievable that zuckerberg actually thinks if we all put on VR goggles and WFH and play milady avatars at board meetings, this will be an efficient thing in the future lmao. WFH is best suited for phone sex numbers

>>49323546
Don't misunderstand me, WFH is plenty fine... for the 1/4 of people who can self manage. The majority of people can't though and should be in office.
WFH as a blanket policy for everyone is an absolute failure, but WFH for select roles or for those who have already proven their productivity is plenty fine.

>>49296811
Good white collar workers act like they're having their human rights violated daily for being paid to sit in air conditioned office, fucking fags.

>>49323854
>work or death
That's precisely what happens.

>>49323687
Yeah I’ve got kids and wfh has been a complete disaster for my productivity but I have a state job so no one really gives a shit

>>49323854
Shut up and rotate my tires already cleetus. Chop chop

>>49298507
>scrums
Faggy detected.

I will never go back to my office

>>49298253
>less than we ask of factory workers
wait, there are people who work more than 8 hours per day?

>>49298253
>factory workers never had option to remote
Maybe Elon could have them build cars over zoom.

>>49326288
At the last place I worked we had one segment of the company whose work had to be done in person while another segment's did not. It caused a lot of contention between the two groups, as the former resented the latter for being able to work from home. Of course, just because it's not "fair" (whatever that means, you chose the career path that includes in-person work) doesn't mean that you necessarily should drag people back into the office if they don't need to be there physically to accomplish their work.

On another note: I wonder whether the social isolation of WFH has actually screwed with people mentally in ways they don't quite comprehend. As annoying as going to the office is, it may have a sort of mental/social grounding effect for people. (And people often resist what's healthy for them anyways. Just look at how many people are repelled by physical exercise.) Whenever I've talked to people in my industry about the benefits of WFH, the first thing they mention is how they're glad they no longer have to commute. They almost never mention having disliked the social setting of the office, etc. Everyone's just happy they don't need to spend 3 hours a day on the freeway anymore—and usually the higher up you are, the father away in the suburbs you live because you have a house, so upper and middle management doesn't seem that keen on returning to the office.