/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>4894004
grrrrr i hate money

>>4894004
Because I don't want to lose money

>>4894004
stop shilling this pls
all biz coins that get shilled die
stop pls

>>4894004
I did and I lost a lot of money. Still holding these bags tho....

>>4894004
no i love money, thats why i dumped my 2 bitcoin of ark last week and have been absurdly happy and profitable ever since i left this horrible piece of excrement

>>4894072
>all biz coins that get shilled die
yeah, just like ETH

Will 1K be enough?

Because the guy who runs this discord https://discord.gg/Z699gSD is a fucking beast and makes juicy calls that made me 30% this past week. MCO is set to rise 100% next week apparentely!

>>4894175
Yes.

what are your thoughts about the pattern that just formed on bittrex? not a TAfag, but it looks pretty bullish to me, wouldn't be surprised to see 32-35k in the next few hours
>>4894175
That's $10M in a few years. The question is - can you hold that long?

>>4894202
How high can ARK go?
>>4894210
I get dividends, so of course I will hold.

i'm not quite grasping this "dividend" thing... is the faucet solely the dividend? am i missing something

>>4894245
>am i missing something
your brain

>>4894228
>How high can ARK go?
It has about the same supply as ethereum.
$250 seems like a realistic target for 2018.

>>4894272
hurr durr let's refresh this page every hour to get a "dividend" that we should get automatically? kys

>>4894245
No, you vote for a delegate a get a dividend out of it. Check biz classic's FAQ

>>4894294
>I deserve free stuff

kill yourself.

>>4894294
>pffft pffthht pfft

>>4894245
You get more ARK for holding ARK in your wallet. It's basically like mining bitcoin but you mine with your ARK instead of a computer.

The faucet is private and has nothing to do with the project.

>>4894323
literally one of the buy-points of this coin, you retard

>>4894340
>>4894340
Read this post, brainlet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArkEcosystem/comments/6bg2wn/mini_guide_mining_staking_forging_voting_how_to/?st=jayeuls6&sh=08db8492

>>4894363
> linking to rebbit
McFucking kill yourself

>>4894412
ArkEcosystem is a good community, fucktard.

>>4894363
thank you for taking the time

>>4894437
>plebbitors

Only good community is r/gonewild and only because I don’t look at the comments.

>>4894466
/r/wallstreetbets is literally /biz/ about stocks, without all the pajeets and brainlets

BARK FOR ARK!

>>4894332
However, it's a good source for beginners to accumulate and get a grasp of ARK in general

>tfw remember ark threads back from september
>Every other crypto has at least doubled at 100% growth
>ARK still fucking stuck at 4$

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You guys are meming right?

no one here seriously holds ARK right?

>>4894651

>>4894651
I bought some waayy back at 4 cents each and haven't touched them.

>>4894651
>>Every other crypto
survivor bias retard

>>4894698
Nice, how much you got?

>>4894651
WHEN THIS SHIT IS $200 NEXT YEAR, DONT COME BEGGING ME FOR MONEY

GET OUT, NORMIE FAGGOT

>>4894718
Only 100. Was like my 2nd coin I bought when i just got into crypto and saw it being shilled here.

>>4894651
ARK is not a pajeet pump and dump you fucking brainlet

>>4894651
Bag holder since 13 cents you faggot. We'll see who will be laughing in 2018.

>>4894939
Not gonna lie. Jelly as fuck 3.30 Average here

>>4894774
I WANT TO PUMP A PAJEET AND SHIT IN THE STREET.

>>4894294
The faucet is funded by biz_private which is for people with 20k+ Ark only. The main delegate, biz_classic, doesn't use your dividends to fund the faucet

>>4894979
I WANT ARK TO BE ADDED ON NORMIEBASE AFTER IT HITS $1K

>>4894273
You can't be serious.

>>4895051
yea, more like $500

>>4895051
Ether was $3 beginning of last year. Once ArkVM is released a meteoric rise is not out of the question.

>>4894326

lmao

>>4895164
I got hard just thinking about this

>>4895164

This. Got in on Eth @ $10, can't believe it's been less than a year holy fuck.

>>4895164
>>4895155
I guess it could be I'm sure of that.
But all I can see that it's fast and other coins like LTC and Monero can do that too.

>>4895290
>But all I can see that it's fast and other coins like LTC and Monero can do that too.
You haven't done your DD, huh?

>>4895290
>But all I can see that it's fast and other coins like LTC and Monero can do that too.

Ark:
>Smart bridge
All this requires is for the chain Ark wants to connect with to insert a small piece of code.
>ACES
For those who don't put in the code we can use ACES to interact with their chain.
>8 second transaction time
I don't need to say anything else about this.
>DPOS
All coins will end up switching to DPOS or die. Literally the best system.
>ARKVM
Smart contracts on the Ark blockchain.
>Push button blockchains
Create your own blockchain with the push of a button. This will significantly reduce the cost of starting a blockchain and allow much more innovation. Also, starting a coin off the Ark blockchain wont add bloat to the Ark chain. One of Ethereums main issues.
>Registered as a business in France.
The first crypto to register in the EU. No one cares about some shit coin that can register in some shit Asian country. This also opens up the door to actual partnerships and provides liability.
>Best wallet in crypto
The best desktop wallet and their mobile wallet is almost out.
>Various smart card
I can't tell you much about this but i bet it's going to be cool as fuck.
>Ark core V2
Complete overhaul of Ark code. This will make the whole blockchain better than ever. Already 25% done.

I provided the information for you, now you decide who's really deluded.

>>4895377
>>ARKVM
>Smart contracts on the Ark blockchain.
The ArkVM will not be running on the Ark blockchain.

>>4895391
hey Chang

I keep seeing the 1.1ARK minimum on biz_classic. I need 1.1 ARK to receive ANY dividend, or am I misunderstanding. Also, I am a retard Pajeet without a brain.

>>4895391
What's it do, then?

>>4895391
Care to elaborate it more technically? Pros/Cons?

Ark has steadily grown since it's inception. With the 10% annual return and and the updates coming in 2018, I don't see why the hell you shouldnt hold this coin.

>>4895533
1.1 Ark minimum before the payment is sent.

If your daily share of the forged ark is below 1.1 it gets put into pending and rolls over until you hit the minimum.

We also compound your pending balance on our end so you can set your pay schedule to monthly if you want to reduce the number of tx fees you have to pay. So if you have 1000 ark and 20 ark pending, we calculate your payout as if you have 1020 ark. That 20 ark is pending and computed at 80% until it gets sent to you.

>>4895535
A port of the EthereumVM to Ark. Smart contracts.

>>4895562
Pros: No bloat on the Ark mainchain. No Bancor-style ICOs or Cryptokitties bogging down the Ark blockchain since smart contracts can be run on their own separate chain.

Cons: We don't know yet. But based on pure speculation it seems to be a huge pain in the ass to have to spin up your own blockchain just to get smart contract functionality. Even with pushbutton deployable blockchains it seems like a lot of work just to use smart contracts.

Literally 80% of my portfolio is Ark.
I'll be there with you brothers.

>>4895377
That sounds really good, the EU-part makes it officially more than just a pajeet-coin. At least in most cases.

>>4895661
How many ark do you have?

OP, because ark will never stop creating coins. MORE COINS = LESS VALUE!!! stupid arkheads. How long before ark has over a billion coins? 10 billion? IT WILL HAPPEN EVENTUALLY!!!!! THERE IS NO CAP ON THE COIN YOU FUCKING IDIOTS. THEY ARE LITERALLY JUST PRINTING MONEY AND THEY WILL NEVER STOP!!! TRAVIS WALKER IS JERKING OFF WILL ALL YOUR ARKBUCKS. SELL NOW AND SAVE YOURSELF OR STAY AND ENJOY YOUR BAGS ARKFAGS.

It sure has a very cool logo. Might get one or two just to feel like Cereal Killer.

>>4896067
>Misses every dip
>out of frustration, jerks off to bbc cuck porn
>realizes they're a loser with no ARK and no gf
>lashes out at respectful intellectuals having a rational conversation on an anime site

>>4895391

>>4896216
biz_classic voters make the best memes

>>4894004
Just reached 10K today, Feeling comfy

>>4896917
Congratulations, Anon! Welcome to the 10K - 19.99K Club! We get first class seats on the Ark and complimentary qt3.14s to fuck whenever we want to.

>>4896067
he doesn't realize that if you stake your coins you make more ark then the devaluation from the inflation.

biz_classic is fucking bullshit.

Their faucet is FUCKING WORTHLESS.

Go ahead run the probability that you receive a coin and multiply by the value of the coin and the number of times you roll. You can expect that much Ark a year from the faucet.

Or you can double your staking return rate with someone fucking else.

They'll say oh but we're the only ones that will count your payout coins before they're distributed. They're not the only ones, fuck these clowns.

>>4897163
biz_classic is only good if you have a small wallet.

Ark is dropping like a wet bag again rn meanwhile IOTA moons to pluto and beyond...

>>4897163
>Double your staking return
?
Is there a delegate that pays 190%

>>4897163
>inb4 he used reconnico shitty site to calculate

>>4897163
>Their faucet is FUCKING WORTHLESS.
It averages 0.0034 ARK per spin.

>Go ahead run the probability that you receive a coin and multiply by the value of the coin and the number of times you roll. You can expect that much Ark a year from the faucet.
See above. We give out 17 ARK a day and average 5000 rolls.

>Or you can double your staking return rate with someone fucking else.
the highest paying public delegate for 2k ARK pays only 0.08 ark more, only pays weekly, and doesn't compound your pending. A monthly 2k wallet size biz_classic staker will earn that back before faucet returns due to the compounding interest. Add to that faucet rolls, our website features, community, and the fact that we will never be dropped out of the top 51 (pic related), and it's easy to see why we blow the fuck out of anyone else while earning our voters more money.

>They'll say oh but we're the only ones that will count your payout coins before they're distributed. They're not the only ones, fuck these clowns.
Yes we are. This is a fact. You are probably confusing pending balance with /compounding pending/ balance.

>>4897247
We'll see if it gets above 5 bucks.

>>4897306
Whats the discord I keep hearing about, I couldn't find a link.

>>4894160
I was lurking here during the ETH shilling days. It was glorious. Didn't buy any back then. Come back years later, Eth is trading at 400. Yup, /Biz shilling is either a moon mission x100 or utter shit.

>>4895661
>>4897306
how do you cope with the fact that ark will soon be under 10k sats again while other coins are still racing against btc?

>>4897370
If the devs delver, this is a mars mission.

>>4897369
There's a link in your dashboard on the website

Went in all in, and movend from Binance to my ARK wallet... Lets hope ARK moons quick.. :)

>>4897247
But IOTA is a hipster coin supported by buzzwords and hype. The IoT can't support a cryptocurrency. The code executed on edge nodes needs to be as minimal as possible, so that the CPU can shut off and save as much battery as possible. We're talking about a difference in power consumption of 10,000-100,000x.

Why would I waste CPU cycles processing a cryptocurrency transaction when all I want is to turn my light, grab a temperature measurement, check the state of a switch, etc?

>>4895739
Best part about DPoS is that the 51 delegates allow a competition for the delegate position, attracting key talent from other cryptocurrencies. As the price of Ark goes up, so too does the pay-out for running the nodes, and with that the incentive for working on the blockchain. A HUGE positive feedback loop.

>>4897391
Cheers

>>4894210
this patern ? i sold the top and bought back in made 10 ark feelsgood

>>4897369
Check your dashboard on the biz_classic website.

>>4897306
So just pay all your voters .0034ark per hour. Or .0102ark per hour if that's the untripled rate for voters with more than 50 ark.

Why the fuck are you running a lottery with a captcha to prevent it from being hit every hour on the hour? Just redo the calculation and pay out at that.

>>4897568
The faucet is for everyone and is funded by the biz_private delegate. It is not meant to subsidize just our voters with biz_private money. It's meant to introduce new people into the community and ARK as a whole while also increasing voter incentives.

Can't wait to set up my wallet with my nano next week and start staking like a boss voting for biz_classic. WHENS THE MOBILE WALLET FUCK.

>>4897645
i feel like it will take a week for mobile wallet

>>4897632
Great, do your public service but don't claim it's great for your voters.

Show me the equation that beats the next 7 stability delegates.

I don't believe you at all.

>>4897645
Devs promised before the end of the year.

someone just bought so much ark it went from 4$ to 4.60 lol

now back too 4 again

>>4894004
because I prefer serious gains

>>4894004
BREATHS IN HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>4898007
then dont fucking vote for biz classic you autistic fuck, nobody fucking cares what you do. jesus christ man

>>4898007
I already laid out the math an even gave you an example here >>4897306, but you keep goalposting. Here's your final (You).

>>4898091
literal autism screeching

>>4898007
Go to the delegate explorer and look at the top 51 delegates.

Look at how many votes #52 has

Look at the top voters for each delegate and how much the delegate will drop if they leave.

The amount if top voters leaving before the delegate drops to #52 is the stability score.

That's the formula. biz_classic is the most stable delegate and will never drop out because they don't rely on large whale wallets like everyone else.

>>4897387
They don't call us delusional for nothing

>>4898100
great post anon.

>>4898007
>>4897632

Let me be more clear, you're claiming a compounding interest and a better rate of return than anyone else.

Your calculator is ridiculous if you want to reflect this.

It should be a formula in terms of n.

The nth day will have a greater payout than the n-1th day and yet your calculator is put in your vote and this is your daily.

>>4898188
Our calculator does not calculate compounding interest, because we have no idea if people are going to keep their pending in their wallet, withdraw it, or withdraw then move their balances around.

427 arks here, am I deluded enough to make it?

>>4898242
Maybe

>>4898007
https://medium.com/@biz_classic/stability-an-objective-measure-of-whale-proofness-f5ff3d03e29a

>>4898188
When did they claim to pay more than anyone else?? Moon even said other dekegate will pay 0.008 more.

and it's impossible for a delegate as higky ranked as biz to pay more than a delegate under them with the same percentage bc of dilution

>>4898134
I have no desire to goal post at all. I want you to give me equations.

You didn't lay out math, you claimed numbers. You provided no formulas.

I can tell you that I made dope trades and netted 1000 BTC in the past 4 hours. Doesn't make it true.

Every calculator in the important information about delegates on reddit thread shows you as having inferior gains.

>>4898232
Pretty easy to make a line of text and a calculator that says, if you do x, which you should to maximize ark gains with our delegate, you will yield y.

I was admittedly rather combative and dickish when I started posting, but I legitimately want to have this reasonable conversation.

>>4898266
I think probably phrased poorly the post talking about stability, I know biz wins stability by a lot. That's important. I was asking for the relative superiority in ark gains, probably assuming no lapses in forging.

If ark and link are so great, why do you guys have to shill it 24/7 on here? Good coins sell themselves

>>4898382
Again, when did moon or chang claim to pay the most? It's not possible for such a highly ranked delegate even if they paid 100% due to dilution.

Hmmm

>>4898271
>>4898319
Dafty's calculator is flat out incorrect. The one on our site is the most accurate. Reconnico's is accurate-ish most of the time after we contacted and had him fix it.

And, again, potential faucet earnings are what puts us ahead, along with the slew of features we provide that nobody else does. This includes:
- 3x the faucet earnings compared to not voting. Remember, faucet averages 0.003 a roll.
- Custom payout schedules, saving you on fees and letting you get paid when you want to.
- Because of compounding payments, you are not penalized for choosing to get paid monthly.
- We are the only delegate that has never dropped out. Go ahead, search plebbit, everyone else has not gotten paid or dropped out and lost out on ARK earnings. We have not - ever - and because of our stability we never will.
- We calculate pending balance for small wallets. Despite ARK being nearly a year old now, most delegate STILL do not pay small wallets ANYTHING because they are brainlets and can't write their own code. The arky script brainlet delegates use does not calculate pending balances.

If you don't care about the faucet, don't care about losing 2 ARK to revote when your delegate drops out, have a large wallet, or don't care about any of our other features, vote for the delegate that gives the raw highest payout. I can promise you that over time, you will earn less than a biz_classic voter of equal wallet size who casually uses the faucet or even just one that sets a monthly payout because you don't get dicked by fees and don't get dicked when a delegate stops forging temporarily. We don't claim to pay the highest share %, but because of how we structure everything, we still end up being the best paying and best overall choice for 99% of the ecosystem.

>>4898411
we are so bored that most of the fud you see is coming from us
I fud in one thread and shill in other

>>4898411
Lets clear some things up:
Link is genuinely shit.

ETH was shilled on here like no tomorrow, look where it is now. We are genuinely excited about our Lambos, we're not shilling, we're celebrating.

>>4897163
Fuck off heem, faggot

>>165578354
So ARK is /a/'s coin, right?

>>>/a/165578354
/a/RK, pls

>>4899083
>>4899113
Iris Heart is from a videogame, silly.

>>4895377
>I can't tell you much about this but i bet it's going to be cool as fuck.
the absolute state of deluded arkies
you can't even explain the coin you are shilling

>>4899190
/a/ and /v/'s shitcoin, then. It did get an anime, after all.

>>4897370
I remember not buying after the DAO hack and the crash to $11. My reasoning was that if I bought at $11, I would only get around 80 ETH, which didn't seem like anything at the time. I was always waiting to buy at a lower price...

The pain grows everyday.

>>4899222
Yes, just make sure to buy tons of it.

>>4894004
Yes, I agree. the money you need to invest wisely
Wise people invest only in a time-tested coins with a good income as the Diamond (DMD) https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/earn-dmd-diamond-alternative-wealth-storage-solution

LMFAO

LET ME REPEAT

LMFAO

ARKIES ARE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR THE FIRST BRANCH THEY CAN FIND WITH THEIR ROPES READY IN HAND JUST TO FIND SOME FUCKING RELIEF FROM THEIR PAINFUL EXISTENCE. IT MAY SEEM LIKE EVERYTHING IS SMOOTH SAILING BUT AFTER THEIR SHIT COIN DIPS TO 0 BECAUSE NOTHING ABOUT IT IS REAL, THEY'LL BE BEGGING FOR LANDFALL. NOTHING WILL SOUND BETTER THAN A TIGHT NOOSE AROUND THEIR NECK AS THEY SEE THEIR LIFE SAVINGS DWINDLE TO NOTHING. ARKVM IS LITERALLY ARK VIRTUALLY MEANINGLESS. POOR ARKIES I TRIED TO WARN YOU OVER AND OVER BUT YOUR DELUDED WAYS BROUGHT YOU A SINKING SHIP THAT YOU'RE STUCK ON OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF AN OCEAN OF SHITCOINS WITH NO WAY TO REACH LANDFALL TO TURN YOUR PRECIOUS ARK INTO BITCOIN, ETHEREUM, OR EVEN BITBEAN. VIRTUALLY EVERY CRYPTOCURRENCY WILL BE WORTH MORE THAN YOUR ARK WHEN THE WHALES THAT MANIPULATE YOUR COIN GET BORED AND MOVE ON. THERE ISN'T MUCH SUPPORT LEFT. VOLUME CONTINUES TO DROP ON SHITTREX. GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN ARKIES AND AT LEAST SAVE ANY SORT OF GAINS YOU CAN. YOU MAY BE ABLE TO AFFORD AT LEAST A MCDOUBLE A DAY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE WHILE YOU WORK HARD SUCKING COCK FOR 15 SATOSHI TO PAY FOR YOUR CARDBOARD SHACK UNDERNEATH THE 'SMART' BRIDGE. IF ONLY YOU'D LISTENED. IF ONLY YOU'D HELD BITCOIN.

POOR ARKIES

LMFAO
LMFAO

i have 9 ark and I just voted for /biz/_classic and plan on buying at least 100 more arks over the course of a year without taking any out of my wallet. what kind of fiat am I looking at this time next year?

squeal for me deluded arkies

>>4898232
hello i am new to ARK. looking at the delegate calculator from google, i would receive ~20 ARK per week from the "calidelegate" and i would receive ~18 ARK per week from the /biz/ delegate. honestly curious, why would i not choose the cali delegate over the /biz/ delegate? does the /biz/ delegate offer something that i am not understanding? thanks.

>>4900323
Oh I shit I just sold them all at a loss, thanks for the insider tip!

link is definitely shit
ark is probably shit
should have just held btc

>>4894004

Why aren't you getting 50 free Universa (UTN)?

https://check.universa.io/-3N4piX

It's like you hate money.

>>4900898
its too late anon thats over with.

>>4900827
Calidelegate is very reliant on its highest wallet in order to stay in the top 51. If this one person decides to change his vote, then Calidelegate will drop out of the top 51 and no longer be forging, so you'd have to change your vote.
However, biz_classic could have many of its top wallets drop out and still be forging. So biz's delegate is much, much more reliable.

>>4900827
Biz delegate payout goes up for you over time. The longer you stay with then the higher it goes. I forgot what the percentage cap is though.
So after a month or so you'd make the same you did with Cali but you also get 3x faucet rolls and some security knowing biz will probably never drop out of the top 51.

>>4894004
>that whale on Bittrex that just floored the price after I bought at 25450

The only bad thing about this coin is that people with only a few bitcoin can completely change the market in less than a minute. Gay.

>tfw so close to 20k ARK

Almost a big boy

>>4900940
this
https://classicdelegate.biz/stability
https://votepasta.com/forgers/biz_classic/voter_balance_chart
https://votepasta.com/forgers/calidelegate/voter_balance_chart

>>4894210
>That's $10M in a few years. The question is - can you hold that long?
$10,000 a coin? Nigga...

>>4901339

$100 a coin is possible. $10,000? probably not

>>4894939
this > >>4894947
Feels bad getting into crypto only a month ago senpai. Most people want to build a time machine to buy BTC, I want to buy Ark at 13c.

>>4895661
>That 20 ark is pending and computed at 80% until it gets sent to you.
Moon said that it begins scaling to 90% a few days ago, not that it's stuck at 80%.

>>4901334
Cool site. Thanks.

>>4894004
just bought 100k

i don't like what i'm seeing in terms of how the volume is trending but i only hold 150 of these so fuck it, i'm just gonna stick it out and see what it looks like in a year or two. if its worthless then so be it.

>>4899113
>>4899190
>>4900020
I'm conflicted. I really hate anime. But I really like awesome anime tiddies like featured. What do I do?