/biz/ - Business & Finance

>taking advice from /b/
nigger.

>>473923
all you neckbeards said "anon, trades are where it's at, do welding, college is shit, welders make bank bro" and sent me those dumbass videos about ron paul and college being a scam

I thought trades would be good. You fuckers. I hate this job and career. It's horrible, physically taxing, unhealthy, and the pay is shit (if I can even get hired over the union assholes that got grandfathered in).

>>473924
never really went on /b/

I used to work for an advocacy group whose primary campaigns were astroturfing 4chan promoting welding careers. I wonder if this had something to do with it.

Anyway, it supported my habit (which is still going strong...pic related). Thanks for making me money, OP!

>>473928
why did you do this to me

Nobody wants to be a welder, I hate my life and I'm coming close to killing myself. You astroturfers and neckbeards destroyed my life when I should have gone to school.

>>473931

From the depths of my heart, I am truly sorry anon.

>>473931
i know that feel OP. I work at a small bagel shop and just finished high school and have no idea what to do. I'm worried I'm going to end up like my boss working 70+ hours a week for 40k a year

>>473923
How did we ruin your life? Weld part time and go to college if you want to. You aint dead yet fag

>>473931
>becoming welder instead of electrician or plumber

Fucking goy. You chose a low paying job which destroys your lungs over a respectable, high paying easy job.

To be fair college graduates aren't that better off than you OP. Only a slim few have good jobs, the rest are stuck in minimum wage or worse, fighting for unpaid interships to get experience for entree minimum wage jobs. Everything is about profit for the top these days, middle class is being murdered out right.

>>473951
This is only really true for some majors. I've hardly seen or heard of any compsci/engineering majors struggling to find jobs if they at least halfass know their stuff.

Sure if you major in photography or African american studies you don't find a job but that's what happens when you pick easy stuff with practically no demand

>>473953
> I've hardly seen or heard of any compsci/engineering majors struggling to find jobs if they at least halfass know their stuff.

That's the glorious lie people still believe in.

As someone who has a biomedical & electrical degree let me share my experience:

STEM majors are not any better off, and jobs are just as hard to find.

As older pro-eng engineers are staying on the market and working lower wages instead of retiring, younger guys like myself were forced to try to compete to entree. Basically to work as a "real" engineer you need 4 years of engineering experience, after which you take a test to get your qualifications.

During my college days I was lucky enough to get a co-op working on radiological equipment, and it was there that I found out how much the R&D budgets have been cut over the years. After graduating, i was unable to find a single job as a biomed as every single "entree' from anything RD to prosthetics to whatever wanted pro-engs with 6 or more years of experience (plus you're also competing with engineers from overseas with same years of experience but that are willing to relocate over state side for a work visa but lower pay)

I thought the situation was just my own, but I reached out to my friends who i found out had the same problems, and most ended up going to work into other fields despite being engineers (some went back to school, a few left engineering and got into med school).

>>473961
Well fuck. Majoring in compsci. Should I just kill myself now?

>>473963
The one thing I wish i figured out earlier was this: come up with you own business. Whether it's through friends or connections, don't sit through your college years thinking there's going to be a job all hot and warm for you at the end of the line. You need to come up with something and start working on ti now (doesnt matter if it fails, get you feet wet and start thinking, fail, try again, etc).

The work I do now is 100% unrelated to biomedical engineering, but fortunately I had full a full scholarship and made enough part time/co-op to not get into any debt.

http://www.indeed.com/salary/welder.html
http://www.indeed.com/salary/electrician.html

If you ever live your life over, learn to Google before picking a trade.

>>473963
Dude I just graduated BS IT. Working at a fucking communications company in second to lowest job. Busted my ass while in school at that job. Mother fucker from corporate took a shining to my hard line on dealing with bullshit, dumbasses, and fucktards that spend 90% of their day on their cell phone. Homeboy made me a systems admin which came with a $10K a year raise. Computer sciences aren't all about computers. If you pay attention to the lessons you learn from algorithms and logic, you will be unstoppable.

>>475147
>>473963
I worked really hard in school and got 70k year starting as a java dev. Everyone needs software guys. If you go to school for CS and your not doing software development you must suck at programming. Most of my classmates who were dull went into IT jobs.

>terrible social skills (ignoring parents, can't work your way into your colleagues circle)
>zero critical thinking (taking advice from 4chan)

WOWEE SURE IS EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT

>takes advice from 4chan
if youre stupid enough to do that it was only a matter of time before your life was ruined anyway. 4chan is for fucking around, not for getting serious advice to serious questions.

>>475189
this

I don't no why people always come to this board or any board here for life and career advice.

Now i know that the OP is trolling, but there are some people here who legitimately listen to the shit advice that is given on here

>>475199
*know

If you work hard and stay clean welding is a great field.

I've known plenty of people who retire in their 40's.

I also know lazy unskilled faggots who earn nothing because they don't push themselves and don't have their heads in the right place.

>>473931

>not being smart enough to turn his own skill into working for him self

>being a brain dead faggot hurrr giffe mi yobs tel me wat to tink.

>today

Hey /biz/ if I have 3 years work experience at museum of contemporary art what do I do for college. I can get in anywhere but what do I study.
Do my thinking for me.
>people in my program go ivy league

>>473925

I have posted multiple topics and posts both on /biz/ and here which said that university was completely worth it.

The reason 4channers think that uni isn't worth is is because they do shit at school, get in to only shit universities, and then they claim that all universities are worthless.

What the fuck were they expecting? Employers know that 30 years ago this sort of person wouldn't have even went to university. So why would their degree suddenly mean anything now?

Ask these people what universities they go to. They sure as fuck won't be doing engineering degrees at MIT or Stanford.

>>473923
Not going to college and expecting a seemingly run of the mil profession to make you bank?

OP are you dum as fuc, or just stupid?

If you dont want a college degree backbone, you have to be as Entrepreneurial as possible.

Dont think life gives you things on a silver platter just because you go against the grain m8.

Make something of yourself instead of settling, otherwise ya ill tell you - you should have stayed at college

>>473923
fuck college
take MOOCs, learn to code
fuck welding

>>473923
It's never too late to ga to college.
I had people in my university classes who could be my parents.

>>473961
>tfw majoring in bioengineering
let me buy a gun and empty a few bullets because I have jack shit internship experience. bro is it really that bad? I've been riding this out with a 3.8 and I'm honestly fucking terrified of graduation.

>>473961

Stem here. Neurbiology, chemistry double major with an internship in psychology, three years lab experience and copious volunteer work in both community organizing and grantwriting.

I am totally unemployed, been more than 6 months now. I usually have 4-5 interviews a month and most tell me they're looking for people with more experience, even though we're talking $10/hr entry level jobs. Tomorrow I interview for a retail position locally, I've given up.

>>477409
shit bro where do you live?

>>477416
Ohio. I know it's part of the problem, but I take care of family here, I have no other relatives to take care of them nor to live with somewhere else. I have no one to lean on if I tried to move, and my savings are all of done. The only way I could move is if a job would give me relocation or pay enough that I could afford working on my own. One company actually outright refused my app because I worked 45 minutes away- said it was too far of a commute and that "they certainly wouldn't be able to pay me enough to not live at home". It was a chemical quality testing job.

The last job I interviewed for, I was totally passionate about. It was my dream job, working as a peeon in an R+D lab for a production I really admire. I couldn't tell you how hard I spun that shit, I thought it was an award wining interview. They said they wanted to blah blah someone who more closely matched their team blah bullshit.

>also Neurobiology*
>clearly too dumb to job

>>473925

why would you listen to a bunch of antisocial neets about anything

>>477426
I'm sorry bro and that sucks. I've had one interview go like that as well.

So, what's the plan for you, anon? Have you tried learning a programming language and used your skills from neurobiology to maybe branch into machine learning, data science, and model creation? I feel you could get something out of the programming part and look into big data. That field seems fresh.

>>477439

Right now I don't have a plan. I don't have a lot of interest in programming. I've thought about going for an MBA, learning finance or something, but I severely lack the funds. I'm so burnt out on science. it is such a good ol boys club. Even the people who seem willing to give me a chance, or had been, I feel like the only place I would ever end up is a pee-on.

>got engineering degree
>good job for a few years
>economy goes to shit, contracts cut
>thanks Obama
>now completely unemployable, about to leave the country to become a fisherman in some forsaken developing country

>Taking anything that 4chan says with anything less than an entire box of salt

You deserved this.

>>473923
>working for teamsters
>working
good one OP you get paid for make work shit.

>>473931
>blaming /biz/
>because of advice you recieved before /biz/ existed

lel

>>477483
>become a fisherman in some forsaken developing country
sounds like a pretty good option anon you should do this
>live in third world
>fish for a living
>make 300$/mo on the internet on the side
>live like king

>>473923
If you were stupid enough to drop out of high-school and get a GED on 4chinz recommendation you wouldn't have done well in college.