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Well, we already had an effect tax rate of 70%, so this is just something new.
Also it has been this way for almost 10 years now. When it comes to taxes if the government (or a private corporation known as equitalia) says you own money, you own money and that's it. You are guilty and you have to prove your innocence in a court, but first you have to pay, and if you don't have money to pay, or you use the money to pay, you can't bring your case in a court or hire a lawyer.

Taxes and bureaucracy are the reasons why Italy is screwed. The problem is that most people don't understand this, since they all grow up never paying taxes due to the fact that they either work as an employee or for the government, and the taxes are paid by those.
Also there is a lot of propaganda going around, about those "evil" tax evasors, and shit like that. Of course it's always the small business the evil tax evasor, never the banks or the gambling corporation who owns the state BILLIONS in taxes (and they got a lot of good deals in the years).

We are in deep, deep shit. But things are gonna change. It's only a matter of time before the suicide of enterpreneurs, which is by now a common occurence (they kill themselves because of taxes) become something else. I hope we will find the strength to fight for our freedom soon, even if it will probably mean fighting our neighbours.

>>45060
That's absolutely horrendous.

>>45060
>we learn that Italy has just ordered banks to withhold a 20% tax on all inbound wire transfers: a decree which on to of everything will apply retroactively to February 1. As Il Sole reports, "the deductions will be automatic (unless prior request for exclusion), and then it will be up to the taxpayer to prove that the money is not in the nature of compensation "income."
Holy fucking shit.

Fuck Italy.

Holy shit

What a beautiful country

Ruined by fucking crazy people

>>45355
They wouldn't have had to do this if Italy wasn't a land of tax cheats with the highest rate of tax fraud per capita in EU.

>>45365
>tax cheats
>GIVE US ALL YOUR MONEY OR WE'LL KILL YOU

>2014
>believing in taxes

>>45401
Move to Somalia, libercunt.

>>45483
>muh somalia

>>45544
GDP is DOWN you retard

>>45571
So? Their lives are clearly better off.

>>45586
>adult literacy rate down by quarter
>school enrolment down by half

Their lives have really improved.

>>45592
>implying food, shelter, medicine and water isn't a much higher priority than school
>implying school is that necessary right now until they get their economy back on track

Idiot.

>>45592
>Their lives have really improved.
They have.

Give it time. If the Somalians value education schools will be built. Not like they were getting a good education from the state run schools anyway.

>>45592
Who needs school when you can become a warlord?

>>45617
Why aren't you moving to Somalia where you can expect the most improvement for your wellfare in the coming years?

>>45634
North Korea is a socialist country with working border protection and strict immigration policies.

Somalia is a libertarian paradise with completely open borders.

>>45629
Why don't you move to North Korea?

>>45629
>Why aren't you moving to Somalia
Because it's not a free market at all
Because it's not libertarian whatsoever.
It's a violent shithole overrun with statist warlords competing for territory.

It's just not socialism
and being not socialism, it's far superior

Stay angry.

>>45629
Because your premise is false.

>>45642
>Somalia is a libertarian paradise

>I REALLY HAVE NO ARGUMENT
lel

>>45644
How?

Somalia is working out great for Somalians.

>>45629
Lol somalia has better telecom/internet services than the united states. How does that make you feel?

>>45655
How is it not a libertarian paradise?

It has no taxation.

>>45667
Like you should move there.

>>45651
>Somalia is working out great for Somalians.
Yeah, for Somalians.

America will be far better than Somalia likely for the remainder of my life.

>>45663
>How is it not a libertarian paradise?
>It has no taxation.
Thanks for proving you have no idea what libertarianism is.
I've never seen someone this mad.

>>45681
>I've never seen someone this mad.

Libertarians like taxation now?

>>45688
>libertarianism just means no taxes
>who needs a system of law and private property rights

Somalia has taxes anyway idiot.

>>45060
>On All Inbound Money Transfers !!
Italy has had similar taxes before, if you send something to Italy you have to pay a tax.

But that's sort of the best way to fix Italy's (and Greece's) problem. They have huge debt to pay for their welfare system, if they cut welfare the people will have less money and thus Italy collects less tax. If they tax the people more, again, they'll have less money and then less tax again. The only way out is to raise taxes only corporations and people no on welfare pay, which is import and export tax.

>>45694
In some respects, I am.

>>45678
Why aren't you trying to turn America into Somalia then?

>>45699
You can choose from the many private security entrepreneurs (incorrectly villainized as "warlords" by the western media) in Somalia to protect your private property right.

These security entrepreneurs also provide an efficient private system of law to help you enforce your property rights.

>>45721
>literally pretending somalia is a libertarian free market
>actually believing this and not trolling

I....I'm speechless, I didn't know someone this dumb existed.

>incorrectly villainized as "warlords" by the western media
Kek

>>45721
>he really has no argument left at all
>he's actually this desperate

>>45732
>>actually believing this and not trolling

Do you have autism?

You shouldn't talk to people on Internet if you have autism. It will just make you more confused.

>>45740
>Do you have autism?
You actually think somalia is a "libertarian paradise" because you were told so off msnbc and reddit and you call others autistic?

>>45544
Muh data manipulation. I'm a professional historian and this is a classic example of how you can fuck with data sets to create a very nice looking, but totally wrong conclusions. What you really need to compare is, for one, more than one set of data. So instead of comparing "before" and "after" like OP did, you supply enough previous data to project trends. Pre-warlord era things may have been trending toward perhaps being twice as good as they are now, but due to the instability they only improved 25%. I'd also find an similar country and compare their rates of service growth over the long-term.

>>45836
>Muh data manipulation. I'm a professional historian
>world bank, cia, IMF, UNDP are all bullshit because I say so

Toppest of all keks, seriously this is desperate.

>Pre-warlord era things may have been trending toward perhaps being twice as good as they are now
There was massive inflation and poverty you gigantic moron, holy shit.

>>45060
>inbound

Seems to me more like an austerity measure.

If it would have been on outbound then alarm bells would have started ringing because its the prelude to a banking crisis.

>>45836

Also >>45592 has got it right. That shit ain't sustainable over the long term.

>>45884
>world bank, cia, IMF, UNDP are all bullshit because I say so

Neato. Re-read my post. That's not what I said. Data is legit. We just need more before it means anything.

>Pre-warlord era things may have been trending toward perhaps being twice as good as they are now
>There was massive inflation and poverty you gigantic moron, holy shit.

Show me the data. (I believe you, it's just the chart was potentially misleading.)

>>45912
>Show me the data. (I believe you, it's just the chart was potentially misleading.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Somalia#From_scientific_socialism_to_.22IMF-ism.22_1981-1990

>>45571

What the hell could they socialize? Dirt?

>>45949
Dirt cookies.

>>45655

this image is hilarious, especially the guy who made it while using photoshop with his "arts degree"