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Yes.

No, many HR jobs require it

>>422822
>biz
>question involves psych

lmao there are no career possibilities with your autism in action

>>422822
what about economic psychology?
just curious

It's a pretty shit major, /biz/-wise at least.

>>422828
maybe some psychology classes, but probably not a major.

>>422830
>biz
>question involves psych
>question involves careers
also what is autism? I always see people on here posting about it

>>422833
would it be less shit if it was accompanied with a business minor? also the school I'm attending has a notable MBA program , would that be worth it?

>>422822

You need a master's degree or higher to go anywhere with a Psychology degree.

>>422822

Psychology has a few career path options. For example, you could be a psychologist.

Psych major here.

It's a fine field IF AND ONLY IF you move on to graduate school. A modern Bachelor's degree is essentially a "grad school prep degree" and is about as useful as toiler paper on it's own. You take classes to explore the different subfields and decide which you want to pursue as a career.

You can go:
>Counseling and Social Work
>Therapist, Psychiatric, etc. ("medical")
>Industrial/Organizational Psychology/Human Resources ("business")

Source: Extensive conversations with I/O Psych Professors who also do staffing consulting with major companies.

>>422914

>A modern Bachelor's degree is essentially a "grad school prep degree"

Meant to say "A modern Bachelor's degree in Psychology is..."

There are plenty of other fields where a BA or BS is enough to launch a great career. Psych is not one of them.

>>422839
Autism is a spectrum of cognitive disorders, mostly just behavior based. It ranges from classical disorsers, such as down syndrome, to barely existant ones such as adhd. When used here, its usually refering to aspergurs. Its a somewhat rare behavior, so people accused of having it here rarely actually jave it. Its more of just a general insult, like what faggot has become

>>422914
thanks for the useful input

>>422914
pysch grad here. whats the outlook on I/O psych? I'm looking at grad programs and cant decide CIf I want to go with my passion for helping kids or just make dem monies in the business field.

What do you know about a masters in Applied Behavioral Analysis? easy masters to step into a possible clinical degree?

>>422959

> whats the outlook on I/O psych?

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/19-3032.00

Outlook is darn good.

I personally took the HR route since I was accepted into an extremely prestigious program and half of my classes are I/O Psych-focuesd anyway.

Here are the HR numbers, for comparison:

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/13-1071.00
http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/11-3121.00

>>422959

>a masters in Applied Behavioral Analysis

I'm afraid I don't know much. I think that falls under the clinical psychologist umbrella, which you can find here:

http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/19-3031.02

But I would talk to both some Psych profs at your school as well as your school's career adviser. One piece of advice that I can give I got from my psych adviser. He knew a number of students in his doctorate program who had gotten a Master's and worked a while before going back for PhD. At best, they got to skip a few classes to save tuition but ultimately ended up in roughly the same place. He personally advised against Master's if you want PhD, but take that with a huge grain of salt as circumstances change and it might differ by field.

>>422822
easily one of the worst degrees you can get if you only get a bachelors (because almost everyone and their mom gets this degree) fuck I might even have a psych degree although I never took a single class. the only things worse might be business management, art history, or actually getting a piece of paper covered in shit for a degree (general studies)

>>423399
the worst degree is business management

>>422914
Not Psych but BA here. This is true. It helps you get prioritized higher if you're looking for a throwaway hourly job, but not much else. The Bachelor's degree is becoming the new HS Diploma.

>>423427
My poor sister is getting that with a politics emphasis.

At least she has an internship.

>>422914
This X100.
The main reason people think Psych is a shit degree is because they only get a bachelor then wonder why they can't get a job, when the purpose of undergrad psych isn't to send you off into the world, but rather prepare you for postgrad studies.
Moral of the story: Either commit to 6+ years of Psych studies, or don't bother doing it.
Source: Psych grad.

>>422822
In regard to your question: Career possibilities arn't too bad; there are tons of different professional areas to get into (organisational, forensic, clinical, child, health, sport), as well as generalist areas that don't necessarily require psych degrees (child services, HR, OH&S etc).
Though taking into account my previous statement of seeing through the 6+ years: don't go into psych for any other reason other than genuinely enjoying it, because it gets really shit really quickly, and unless you have an interest in it, you may not see it through.

Thank you for this thread, three years into a psych undergrad degree and was really worried about my future prospects.


For those of you in grad school, how tough was the process of getting there?

>>422822
Even if you succeed, (Widely cited papers) there's a good chance you'll still only be making a moderate amount. ($40,000 - $60,000)

The degree is also greatly oversaturated. The degree accounts for about 3/4 of the degrees given in the field of Mental Studies.

>>422822
>ITT Faggots

Psychology undergrad, and consumer behavior graduate student here.

A degree is more important than your major. Businesses don't give a shit what your degree is in unless you are in a vocational field like nursing. People that brag about their major are people who don't have a portfolio of work.

>That is a nice major, but want can you do for me?

Businesses only care about the skills you develop within your major. Can you write well? The psychology majors at my University did more writing than the business majors. Can you think analytically? Bitch, I have a basic understanding of survey design, research, and statistics. Can you work with a diverse group of people? I have a fundamental understanding of human behavior and cognition.

Every time a psych major flunked our basic statistics class, they would change their major to business.

>>422959
I/O is a fast growing field, but the graduate programs are almost as competative as clinical psychology programs. Your anus better be ready to get a near perfect on the GRE.

Applied Behavioral Analysis is great if you want to work with people on the autism spectrum. The wind might be blowing in a positive way for the field. Just hope that we keep all of this socialist health care stuff going, otherwise you could hit hard times.

Cognitive Science BS here. Will certainly take the Masters route for something either child or IO related. Haven't learned jack shit from formal education, but have had many different internships that I've gained a lot from.

Would anyone have any suggestions for a Masters program? Ideally west coast USA, and not necessarily the most prestigious (internshits>grades does limit some possibilities).

>>423427
>tfw my friend thinks he is going to get this degree and then instantly become the manager of a business.

>>422843
>implying a BA in any field takes you places
lol

>>423664
you're retarded.

Engineering, Accounting, or any "white-collared" trade for that matter doesn't require graduate school for employment.

Major's rarely matter, psych is broad enough you can make it apply to a load of different careers/jobs

>>422978
Extremely prestigious and HR don't mix

>>424044
lol

>>422822
Yes, yes it is. I just graduated with a BS in Psych, and I'll tell you that even if you get a job with a bachelors you have absolutely nowhere to go in terms of upward mobility and promotions.

Before graduating, I got a job in research at a top ten children's hospital. I make about 30k, and if I worked there for 5 years I could make 38k after being promoted to a research associate. After that, there is nowhere I could go without a master's or above.

To make money in psych, you have a few options:
-Psychiatrist (BS into Medical School) 200,000-400,000
-Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner (BS into a DE NP program) 90,000-120,000
-Clinical Psychology (BS into PhD) 60,000-80,000
-Counseling Psychology (BS into PhD) 40,000-60,000
School Psychology (BS into MEdu) 30,000 start, 75,000 by mid career
Anything else therapy oriented is absolute and complete shit tier.

The PhD options are not advisable. Good clinical PhD programs have an acceptance rate of 7%. You'll also not make a lot of money for the time you put into it, and you'll never be able to prescribe medication. Not to mention you'll be in debt up to your eye balls for decades unless you get into a paid program.

Psychiatry nets the most reward, but is difficult to get. You'd have to get into medical school, and at this point it doesn't sound like you are specialized in that path.

Psychiatric Nurse Practitioners can do all the same things a Psychiatrist can do (prescribe medication, work independently as a primary care worker, provide therapy) but make less than Psychiatrsts, though they still make significantly more than any other option. The job options are also out of this world (you could literally live anywhere in the US) and you only need a Master's (MSN).

School Psychology is also a good bet. Huge demand for them, shit pay at first, but you'll hit some decent numbers after a few years. Not to mention time off and other benefits given to teachers. However, the job is boring as piss

1/2

>>422822
I'm not well versed in industrial or I/O psychology. I don't know what the demand for those jobs are or the education you'd need to get them.

In my opinion, the work you do in those fields sounds like new wave hippie bullshit, but each to their own. I only really know the therapy side of things.

>>424412
>In my opinion, the work you do in those fields sounds like new wave hippie bullshit,
> I only really know the therapy side of things.

You don't know shit. Do you know all those surveys you have to take to work at places like best buy? Those were created by industrial psychologists to weed out bad workers. Huge companies like Starbucks would not be dishing out 100k+ salaries to hippie bullshit.

>>422843
be honest and just say PhD is the only way to get a job

>>424412
>I'm not well versed
>in my opinion
Even though I disagree with what you said, people like you make the world a better place: instead of saying you know it all and it's shit, you were honest about not knowing about it. So you >>424415 need to chill, he said it was his own opinion.

In regard to not knowing anything outside the therapy aspect, you should check it out. There are tons of interesting areas of Psychology, from industrial to forensic to advertising, even things like corporate branding take on psychologists. The therapy side is pretty boring, really.

>>423647
I know a guy who graduated with a BSc Psychology, walked into a management job with no experience over people 5-10 years older than him and had been working there 5+ years.

They hate him, but they don't have degrees so they can't get promoted.

>>424412
>hippie bullshit

Job enrichment (basically that shit that google does by providing hottubs and blowjobs to employees) =greater gross profits

They hire these guys, I think it takes 10 years or so to get the bs, ms, chartership and on job experience, to design these programs and things like employee benefits programmes.

The happier your employees, the more money they make, less they quit and less you spend on hiring newfags and training them

>>422822
>degree
>career possibilities

Degrees don't give career possibilities, they mark education.

And no, psychology has no educational or career value.

>>424564
i see a lot of people like you on /biz/. As in the 'degrees are useless, muh job experience and real world skills' type of person. however IRL all the people i know like this are working fast food and retail. how have you forged a career without proof of education? (half serious inquiry/half sarcastic fuck you)

>>424582
in the uk at least 25% of the jobs explicitly require a degree.

Very few people will be able to get into those without a degree.

A top police officer just got fired from £70k a year for lying on his CV....the main lie was that he had a degree.

Yes in real world no one cares if you have experience or can do your job, you MUST HAVE a piece of paper that says you're educated.

>>424582
Because degrees are not job training and they never will. Your concerns should be what you would learn from getting a degree and whether you are interested in that knowledge. Not job/career shopping.

>how have you forged a career without proof of education

The problem is that you mix up the cause of that.

Employers want and can now demand educated employees. It is not: employers demand an education in only X (or Y or Z...) for all employees. Questions like "what can I do with degree in ..." are more often than not silly as fuck and demeaning to the educational systems as a whole. In the rare case where employers ~do~ mandate a certain degree, that is not because that degree lets them do the job at hand but shows that it is worth their time to TRAIN them to do it because it shows they are interested in it (be it in math, engineering, chemistry or whatever).

>>424596
makes sense to me. basically individual competence is most important but degrees are used as leverage? excuse my ignorance I'm a young guy, 18, and have limited experience in the 'professional' world.

Depends whether or not your country has universal healthcare and public schools/colleges.

>>424415
I fucking hate it when your job depends on how you score on one of these.