/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>409296
Bought 10.000 Tokuyama on the 10th, so far I'm very happy with it.
Green, 9.34% YTD.
Unfortunately lacking the time to do serious trading these days.

What about you OP?

I think GOOGL will reach and break it's all time high soon. That's why I bought 20 (i think) shares a few months ago at 388€

When will gold finally fall below $1200 and stay there for a while?

buy SLW

I've been long LL for months

-_-

if it goes down to 20 I'll buy more. this is in my 10+ year account

>>409296
I'm currently AAPL Aug 01 '14 $95 Call

It's up 26% today. I'm trying to gauge the max price of this option. From what I understand option price is set by speculation and from where I'm sitting there are two factors today:
1) Barclay's upgrade of the stock
2) Upcoming QE report
Not sure how far to ride either. QE profits especially are baked in so speculation decreases as it comes nearer but I don't think I've seen it's full play. I think I've seen Barclay's influence today though.

I got in on WCPS, friday, after it shot to the moon on earnings report that are 141% better than last year's for this quarter. It's still near a 52 week low and a lot of bullish patterns are appearing today.

Unfortunately it shot back down to .77 (I got in at .90). What are your opinions on this stock, Biz bros?

i bet it all on AMD

was 4.23
now 4.64

>Sold my URS this morning
>Around the buyout price $56.30.
>Stock goes up another $2
>Market thinks a better offer is coming

Anyone make some quick money off of NEWL?

>>409296
"Apple, IBM team up to create apps, sell phones"

AAPL is up 1.5% in post and Jobs is rolling over in his grave.

>>409566

how much did you pay for it?

>>411132
2.61
Definitely had a pullback today but it's still in the black. Plus I have high hopes about speculation in the wake of this >>411045 news.

>>411147

It's already at 96,8 on after hours, you are going to make some good money tomorrow, but remember time decay, if possible better to sell it this week and buy another otm for earnings, implied bolatility is going to implode after the earnings on the 21. Maybe buying Jul25 96?

>>411163
A piece of me is saying dump it tomorrow when it starts leveling out/pulling back. I think there will be some pretty heavy trading early in the day and pull back when the day traders have made their IBM news money. Then on Thursday sell an OTM call. Those can be pretty safe bets for a little quick cash. Then wait for a pull back to enter a new long call. Days like today devalue an option like mine by 13%, I'll take the rebound on that any week.

>>409296
Not stocks but I was on the wrong side of a trade on eurusd last night thinking yellen would start a bigger taper. It has since plummeted. I think in going to hold for awhile because I can't imagine it goes down further.

>>409566
Got rid of this this morning for a 36% gain and entered a new calendar.

Sell AAPL Jul 19 '14 $97.81 Call
Buy AAPL Aug 16 '14 $97.81 Call

>>411885

>>409395
>Nov 21st 2008

>>409628
nick go to bed

>>412806
I took a BEATING on that Aug 16 call today. But etrade gives me a ~90% chance on the other position at current implied volatility and with all the hype I have little worry the Aug 16 will be ITM sooner or later. Probably going to have to hold it a little longer than the last one though.

>>412835

For today maybe roll down the Jul19 to 94,29 strike for 0,12 credit?

>>409296
>mfw buy RUSS on the gap up

>>410670
Yep. Easy money. I sold to make money money back and keep my profits locked in to maybe get more. BUT they are now all locked up in the halt. No worries though. Just profits baha

>>413416
my money*

Who the fuck buys one share of AMD in the after hours?

>>413435
bots painting the tape

>>413435
>>413440
How can I watch the whole volume feed (fuck nasdaq)?

>>413392
I'm farther into these positions than I'd like to admit. No real room to roll, at least not enough of the stack to make a real difference.

These shenanigans are getting old. Everyone and their mother has upgraded AAPL's stock the past few days. AAPL has to pay out one price fixing charge and everyone looses their fucking mind.

>>413435

some unlucky guy

I'm in the 1950/1965/1980 July4 SPX put butterfly @2.40. It went out at 3.25 today. I hope IV comes down tomorrow the pop today was brutal and I wanna close it out.

Bought 50 of WWE at $11.95 yesterday.

Earnings on time and buy-out rumors sending the price up.

Just hope the entire market doesn't take a shit over this Russia bs.

>>409837

Doesn't matter, made money. Gratz Anonym-URS

Waiting for a better offer is like gambling on the LO/RAI buyout. Dat (LO) spike on Monday? Sure, someone knew it was happening. What they didn't know was what we now know: No e-cig monopoly, and the fact that they spun off Blu e-cigs before even inking the deal >implied enough regulatory risk that Tuesday's open at $63 (a $5 spread between the agreed price and the market price) was the result.

It's the market. Anything can happen at any time. That's what makes it fun.

>>413670
amd has been doing that for the last 5 er's

>>413446
Bump

>>409339

>>413774
too late
all my stuff is down in early-hours

>>413612
>>413392
That roll would have lost by a little bit today. Good thing it never went through. I would have traded my sure $250 for nothing. I wouldn't have called today's movement. I was holding out for it but I would have never called it would rally this far. Now I just need a couple more dollars in the next two weeks.

Complete beginner trying to learn, can someone recommend something to read or watch? Saw attached image earlier and have no idea what any of it means. I want to learn

>>414613
websites like investopedia, dough, and market watch, and the book; the intelligent investor by graham are probably a good start

>>413788
Funny you should mention LO/RAI. I hold a ton of cigarette stocks including RAI and LO, of which LO is my single biggest position. I'm a former smoker, current vapor, and long term shareholder of both companies, I feel I'm uniquely qualified to comment on the deal.

I've been slowly riding up the gains since about $40. I bought these stocks expecting 4% dividends and 10% capital appreciation tops. Things started getting out of hand earlier this year as the buyout rumors swirled. People were expecting $72-$75 per share and some even called for $80+. Don't get me wrong, the ride up to $76 was nice. Ironic how we always remember our high water mark account balances.

This deal is months in the making. I'd wager the investment bankers were using year end 2013 figures and valuation multiples. The buyout premium has been realized as the rumor leaked. I believe the selling this week was from investors who bought at $60+ and were hoping for a deal in the $70's. They weren't willing to hold the stock for a year for a few % gain.

I also think the regulatory risk is over blown. All 4 companies involved clearly knew what they were doing divesting brands to Imperial. Imperial is the only tobacco stock I don't own because I don't want to pay $3 a month extra for pink sheet quotes. And they are never going ban menthol; the race card would get pulled so quickly. The deal will get regulatory approval.

I don't care much about big tobacco's ecig products. I'm looking at the annual report right now. Cigarettes generated $2 billion operating income on $6.7 billion sales. Ecigs generated no income on $230 million sales. Sure, it grew from $61 million, but who cares? I'll take cigarette profits now over potential ecig profits now. If you want ecig investments, go play with penny stocks.

>>413788
>>414720
continuing...

I've never tried Blu, but I'm sure it sucks. All gas station ecigs do. Cigs are disposable, so the companies design their ecigs to be too. Its all they know. People who do stick with vaping will buy non-disposable models from independent internet retailers who import from China. The juice is a cottage industry itself. I prefer direct dripping the juice onto the atomizer instead of cartridges or tanks. Most people don't have the patience for this, and will revert back to cigs.

So, I've been buying more LO under $61. Looks like money on the table to me. Based on the .2909 exchange ratio, RAI would have to fall well below $40 to lose money buying LO at current prices. Once the deal close, I plan on holding my new RAI shares.

LO owners are still due a few dividend payments, and the best part is the price drop brought the yield back over 4%. LO is 95% institutionally owned. The institutions will vote yes. Retail traders can go whine for a better deal on seeking alpha or yahoo finance.

32 million shares traded the day the deal was announced. Vs about 2 million on an average day. Recent buyers were panic selling.

TLDR: The LO/RAI deal is going through and LO at $60 was a fucking gift from the financial gods

>>409640
rekt

>>409296
Summary of my sharebuilder account (use it to test the waters/play around with penny stocks).

Have not bought or sold for several months.
Plan to leave most of my pennies soon, reason being is all but one (MJNA) have lost profit. I use AA as a safety net, which has kept me in the green despite several hundred dollars lost. One penny I'm holding onto aside from MJNA is VPER.

In the green.

>>409640
>>414744
Hope you shorted that shit anon.

On another note.

Anybody else looking to pick up some AMD after this downturn? Unsure if it will go down to low threes or rebound Monday...

>>409296
Bought 50xCLDX today.

Gonna go up to 18 by next week.

Stocks and Shares - Notes

Maersk
HKND Group

I'm long ATVI at 22.31

Baby steps

Any good stock ticker applications for windows?

Googling around has only netted me spyware, broken shit, and broken spyware.

>>414731

Thanks for the insights. Agreed on both your points, that most of the good news was priced in before the official announcement that talks were on (we're interested in the prices of stocks, but M&A people haggle over the value of businesses, and we're all just trying to play catch-up with them), and that the deal most likely goes through, especially after the past few few days in which, no matter how the broader markets were whipsawed by macro events, the spread between the current price of LO/RAI and the price implied by $50.50 + 0.2909 RAI has narrowed. Great lesson in how long it takes a big/deep/liquid market to price in risk and and slowly price it back out as participants realize it's not quite as risky as it first seemed.

Figured I'd trip because I would like to have some sort of identity within /biz/. Wondering if I should join covestor or profit.ly so that my progress is automatically logged. My name reflects, well my name, but also trading moniker. Here's a look at some positions, without P&L because they were imported from my mobile.

All that said, I take this very seriously, and I have started one week ago. I'd like to keep up with anon as well. Also, props to that guy that's posted the chartTrader and IB screens of his quant magic.

Bump because on page 9.
Optional topic of discussion:
Who is your broker? Why did you choose them? Or how do you think they compare to their competition?

>>417218
I use USAA which I can use cause Mom was a military brat and Dad was in the army.

Still working my way through my 50 free trades. Very happy.

>>417218
I have etrade mostly out of notoriety. I used to have ShareBuilder (what was once ING). The tools are much better here and the fees are about the same.

Should I sell PLUG? I bought it last week before the rise, and today it rose even further despite lack of any news that should suggest it should keep going otherwise.

>>417954
>Should I sell PLUG?
Get out while the getting's good man.

>>414607
This shit is killing me. I'm pretty ready to dump this right now. I guess I'll see how much QE really effects the stock and accept a bit of red instead of a total loss if it's as little as many places are saying.

>>417218

Traded with Schwab for years and am happy with their service, both web-based and the StreetSmart platform.

If commissions matter, consider IB.

If you're not daytrading, it probably doesn't matter; all the big-name discount brokers are pretty good.

Cool Schwabbie Bro: What sealed it for me was a fucked-up situation with an options trade on expiry day - the tl;dr is that my options expired worthless, and there was a court decision due 30 minutes after the close of trading on expiration Friday that might have made them worth a lot. One phone call, rep picked up on third ring, and the phone rep was willing to just sit there and wait on the phone with me for 3-4 minutes for the news to come out. "HELL YES I want to exercise!" (and "Yes, absolutely, I know that I could lose money by doing this and that I'm stuck with umpteenthousand shares of XYZ on Monday morning etc.") Schwab dude seemed as excited and happy for me as we walked through the legal disclaimers around contrary exercise as I was. It was a good day.

>>418305
if you come out of an apple trade in the negative maybe you shouldn't be trading

>>417954
Sell sell sell! Reposition next dip.
Captcha; turgely starving

Anyone who bought aapl and googl realize these companies expand y/y and do not split stock very often. If you have been following trends for a while you will realize this about these two securities in particular. I've seen google hit it's high twice in 2013 but who knows how long it will take for aapl to break 700 again. 300 is very doable this year but my put is in google.

>>418305

AAPL earnings tomorrow after market close, IV going down hope AAPL goes your direction.

I'm long AMZN calendar

Sell Jul25 340 Put
Buy Aug01 340 Put

Sell Jul25 360 Call
Buy Aug01 360 Call

>>418358
Uh huh, yea sure. Sometimes trades go south no matter the security and you can't hold an option forever. Past three weeks I've been in the black on AAPL and those weeks more than cover for this loss if I were to trade at this level much less post QE prices.

>>418428
>AAPL earnings tomorrow after market close, IV going down hope AAPL goes your direction.
Me too... all analysis I read says a little over a dollar gain.. we'll see.

Any big name stock looks a bit like this today so that's comforting. Just need those crazy fellas on the other side of the world to stop shooting at each other.

>>417218
Brokerjet, Austrian broker from the Erste Bank group.
I'm okay with them. dem fees though, mang.

>>418648

>Just need those crazy fellas on the other side of the world to stop shooting at each other.

I know that feel

how many of the same "hydrogen is gud and we want to make it" news articles is HYSR going to shit out before they either have a product or go bankrupt amd vanish?

It baffles me that these generate enough publicity to yield 50% price movements. They are saying absolutely nothing of consequence. The CEO might as well talk about his morning BM, or the relative humidity at that particular time.

>>409296

I'd like to soon put some money in Nautilus minerals

Seafloor mining is the future as conventional sources run out. I think putting it in my retirement fund will be a very good thing 10-20-30 years into the future

>>419011
>The CEO might as well talk about his morning BM

>implying a good BM isn't a sign of robust revenue

Bill Ackman's attack against Herbalife was sure a fluke. Anyone faring better than he is today? Or to put it more bluntly, how confident are you in your portfolio today?

Bit of a non-sequitur, but do you guys think we need more people in this general? If so, where do you think we should try to get them from?

Long on SPY Calendar

STO Jul25 199 Call
BTO Aug01 199 Call

Anyone been trading GPRO?
ISRG going nuts on aftermarket after results

Hey /biz/, got a somewhat general question about stocks here. Let's say I buy shares of some stock and it goes up a lot later that day. I want to sell this thing before it starts coming back down, but the settlement date is 3 business days away. How would I go about making extremely short time span trades?

>>419417

If you have a margin account you can sale them the say day, but watch out for the Pattern day trader rule if you are in the usa

>>419330
Yes. I made 8k off the ipo last week niggah

I've been slacking I need to make a new demo with dem picks from last Friday.
Sidenote to /biz/ : if you don't already track sell off days shame on you. I thought the sell off was going to be 13 days ago and the session lasted until yesterday. Good deal hope everyone is doing homework and making Guap.

>>419251
Keep it as closed off as possible and keep it anonymous you nitwit.

>>419436
Thanks, anon. Is there any way to do this without borrowing money? It seems like an unusual prerequisite.

Also I have to look more into these taxes and laws to figure out the most efficient/legal way to operate things.

>>419566

You are not really borrowing money unless you buy more than your cash buying power, the margin they allow you by selling the same day or before settlement is, lets call it..a service.

Going to buy some BX:Blackstone tomorrow.
P/E is 15 and is an excellent stock poised for growth with a great dividend, buy ratings across the board.

I was going to buy a shitload of NBS since they are presenting findings on their phase 2 clinical trial drug in November and their management team is one of the most impressive I've seen in a low-cap biotech. Supposedly it will go up 2-3x by November but i'm too big a pussy to invest in biotechs with no earnings.

>>419695
why not invest in what they invest in :0

>>419698
>>419698
Because they have analysts who are paid hundreds of thousands to research assets so I can keep my day job.

>>418648
This. For options, I always buy one more month than I think I need, even if it means I buy a full quarter's worth of time. Theta (option time decay) doesn't really fuck you up until expiration month.

>>419251
Jesus tittyfucking Christ, Ackman got raped today on HLF. I'm glad I'm not him today, even if his long-argued short thesis ends up correct.

>>419330
AMD/AAPL/ISRG and other earnings plays. Which is why I usually close positions before earnings come out. If I have no idea whether they beat/miss, why should I stick around for a binary decision? See above comment on HLF. (In passing, earnings are one thing, but the idea of dumping stuff ahead of the news goes double for biotech shit.)

>>419454
If we try not to build it, we will come. I found out about it while drinking heavily.

>>419695

wouldnt a stranddle on december strike price 5 be a bit safer on NBS? In case they fail

>>419695
Nice company. If held in a taxable account, wait until the last minute in 2015 to file your 2014 taxes, even if you sell the BX before the end of the year. It is likely that you will get a K-1 for the income (and gains and losses!) that the partnership incurred while you held it. It won't matter much in dollar terms, but it'll save you the trouble of amending/refiling your return when tax season rolls around.

>>419718
ackman is way too stubborn/emotional about his HLF. that said, at end of may his fund was up 22.1% for the year w/$12B AUM. its not like HLF is all he does.

>>419720
Don't have access to options atm, bank is switching brokers or some shit.

>>419721
Thanks anon.

>sleep from 3pm to 10pm on Monday
>develop strategies and lie in wait of pre-open hours and 6:30am opening bell
>West Coast lyfe

Gonna invest in intel because of the processor updates next year y/n

Well AAPL up 2,89%, maybe time get rid of those call.

AMZN down 0,85%, I'm ready for 7% up or down to make some coin, hopefully won't be more than that.

>>419738

How much do they charge you in fees? It might be time to switch brokers, take a look at optionhouse fees.

O shi, my P&L dropped $130 so far today

Why do wednesdays always suck, fucking negative numbers damn

>>420123
I don't pay any fees so ima keep them

>>420152

All days that aren't Tuesday suck. Do your buying at 3:30 PM every Monday, close positions around noon on Tuesday. ez moni

>>417965
I did yesterday and made a decent chunk, around $140.

I've been burned many times thinking "Maybe it'll go up more tomorrow...". Now I know better.

Holy shit is Boeing slipping. They had a good quarter too. What the hell will a bad quarter look like?

>>420318
It's because revenue did not increase as much as predicted yoy.

However they have a production backlog of more than $550billion so I am considering entering a position with them.

FB up 3,63% on afterhours

>>420417
>buying social media

>>420421

>not buying straddle on social media

>>420417
>dat Quarterly Report tho
Fucking mobile adverts mate.

So, GoPro got it's quarterly report on the 31st, it went down 3.16% today, what do y'all think, buy stock now or later?
Or not at all?

>>420466

i know right, 5% up now.

GoPro not sure how it could fare, IV is crazy on the Aug01 but straddle is worth around 5,1 might be worth it to give it a shot tho you can wait it out a buy it on the 31st since the report is after market close.

>>420533
>you can wait it out a buy it on the 31st since the report is after market close.
I think that's what I'll end up doing, yeah. Maybe buy earlier it if they keep going down over the next couple of days.

>>419330

Close the SPY calendar, let's see how AMZN goes. Anyone into amazon for earnings?

>>421584
>down 10% after hours

hope we all bought puts, right?

>>421860

Calls and Puts now everything depends on IV tomorrow or the Put calendar might not hold, still option calculator puts the Put calendar on a 3.27 debit from original 2,2 debi a pay for the whole calendar. We'll see.

>>421584

Does Bezos know he's not running a non-profit organization?

>>413762

Sold the 50/65/80 July4 SPX put fly @5.00.

+2.6 (+108%)