/biz/ - Business & Finance

Military. Get paid to kill people.

learn some kind of programming or web development and do freelance jobs

>>354293
>Get paid
Not enough, though.
>>354299
Is web development that lucrative? I mean, it's piss easy. Will it still be in demand in the coming years? Especially freelance?
Do you have any experience in that field?

>>354287

Logging pays well and is unionized

I had a friend who did a 3 year term in Iraq during americas oil grab and afterwards became a bodyguard for some rich officials corporation. It can be very good money and depending on the country and employer it can also be a life of frolicking and galavanting and generally being an idiot.

That said, like anything in life, unless you take it seriously and suffer the routine, you're eventually going to get fired or lose your value. It sounds like self employment is wrong for you.

Plenty of high risk or high momentum jobs out there though.

>>354402
>Plenty of high risk or high momentum jobs out there though.

Such as?

>>354287
God you sound like a whiny bitch.

>>354287
>I thought about bodyguard-type stuff but I'm not sure if it's well paid and if it corresponds to my tastes. Can /biz/ help out?
Body guarding is somewhat of a hard industry to get into at the present because of the amount of over qualified people from the Iraq and Afgan war. Same with PMCs.
>>354293
>joining peace time military
>ever

Also because it sounds like the kinda shit you would like to hear about
Ask a /k/ommando that studies PMC shit as a hobby anything

>>354406
Google.com you lazy clown

Off the top of my head: Marine biologist, pylon technician, pilot, search and rescue, construction/roofing, zoo keeper, oil tech, security, miner, stuntman, logging

>>354384
logger here, don't do it logging sucks dick

>>354304

Web dev is not lucrative even, guys who work in corporate still get paid less than the average programmer. It is piss easy and that's why it's an oversaturated field.

>>354406


Underwater welding.

If you do the work and get certified, it can be a six fig job and you get half the year off (not consecutively)

Only issue is the risk of injury

>>354514
>Only issue is the risk of injury
and death. Mostly death.

>>354402
>self employment is wrong for you
How so?
>>354418
>Marine biologist
Not interested in marine biology. Biotech and other stuff seems kind of cool but I don't see myself doing research all the time.
>pylon technician
What's that? Isn't it the same register as pipeline workers and the like?
>search and rescue
I don't know anything about this
>oil tech
What are you talking about specifically? Because offshore work isn't what I want.
>security
Very broad
The rest doesn't interest me.

My next question might reek of delusion and entitlement, but are there any careers that don't involve shit like finance, law or whatever but that can actually potentially rake in high six figures to seven figures?
As I said previously, jobs that involve routine, cubicle work or generally repetitive, unexciting tasks are a big no for me. But are there any "adrenaline heavy" careers, with unpredictable schedules (travel is alright, good even) that can make as much money as corporate shit without being corporate shit?
I count medicine in corporate. Surgeon work isn't my thing.
I want a no bullshit career that's financially very rewarding and involves constant change and renewal.

>>355780
So let me summarize: you want a challenging, adrenaline-filled job that requires you to move a lot, constantly changes in nature, but still doesn't carry the baggage of risk (which is involved in most of the top-tier jobs). Furthermore, the job must not involve too much research nor studying/working too much just to break in like finance and law. And to top it off, you want this job to potentially rake in 6 to 7 digit figures.

Am I reading this right?

I'm kind of the opposite of OP.

I don't care to work in an office or go through lots of school. I just want to make $80k-$100k a year.

I'm at community college right now studying for an AAS in finance, but I don't know what I can do in my area that will make that much.

I don't really care what field I work in if I can make that much.

I like finance the most, but should I go after some 3 letter qualifications to pull in more dosh?

>>355811
Well, at least he's aware of the delusion in what he said.

>>355811
>doesn't carry the baggage of risk
What? Did I say that?
I said I didn't want to slave out.

I don't mind risk, or danger. If I implied or said the opposite, disregard it.
So that's one thing;

>must not involve too much research nor studying/working too much
>too much research
I don't want to get into research. Meaning I don't want to get a PhD and become a research scientist. Did you understand something else?

>studying
Does the career require specific qualifications? So be it. I just don't want to be a surgeon or whatever because it does not interest me.

>working too much
Did I say that? If the job requires work, I'll do it. If it requires, however, to conform to a strict and specific schedule under the supervision of a boss, and being stuck in a cube from nine to five, then no.

I don't know if I'm making myself clear. If I came out as lazy and searching for a make money fast scheme then you should disregard what I said that made you think that and look only at this one post

>>355822
Let me clarify some things;

>I didn't want to slave out
Meaning working under very harsh conditions and basically being treated like shit and being at the lowest of the ladder. No matter how high the pay, it's okay if I need to conform to certain obligations, but being a glorified janitor is not good.

>I don't want to get a PhD and become a research scientist
While the latter is true (being a professor doesn't interest me at all), I can get a PhD if necessary. I just don't feel like doing it in a field that I'm not into, like general medicine, which is understandable, I think.

>>355822
>>355828
Even taking into account those revisions; no, I can't think of anything that fits all those parameters.

>>355897
So basically, to ever get a chance of making really, really good money, you have to go corporate?

What if we lowered the salary to something more realistic, like low six figures to mid six figures (but under seven)?
Or if we pushed the border of legality a little? Not going full druglord type shit, but you know, talking about something that wouldn't be considered as totally within the boundaries of the law.

>>355828
Have you considered lion taming, OP?

>>355901
There are only 5 ways to make the kind of money you want.
1. Go corporate. Naturally, the higher up the better paid.
2. Become a really successful entrepreneur. Of course, I don't need to state the risk, luck, and hard work required to make this happen.
3. Work some sort of specialized public sector or NGO job where you can trade in your connections and knowledge for money after a long time. Most prominent of these are lobbyists, political campaign consultants, etc. Of course, these are usually highly competitive and absolutely require you to be well connected, even to get in.
4. Go criminal. Which is still arguably even more competitive and has a high-risk profile.
5. Returns on capital. Requires you to be rich to begin with.

>>355914
>Go corporate
Yeah. The problem with that is the whole excitement and renewal factor.
I mean, being a lawyer, doctor, investment banker and whatnot brings money, but it seems extremely unrewarding to me. So unless there's some kind of corporate career that I don't know about and that somewhat fits my criteria, then I guess I'm not made for that.
>entrepreneur
Yeah, I was pulled to that a lot at first. I guess it's useless to discuss it here though because by definition, entrepreneurial success can't be predicted or whatever. So I'll see.
>specialized public sector or NGO
I never heard about that up to now. But the connections required seem to be a turn off.
That makes me think, do government jobs pay very well sometimes? I've never considered it because of the aforementioned criteria (working for the gov doesn't seem that exciting to me unless I climb the ladder for twenty years and end up with a security clearance handling high responsibility content). But what about contracting and whatnot?
>Go criminal
I'm willing to, but I have little to no knowledge of how this kind of thing operates.
>Returns on capital
Impossible.

>>355910

I'm not sure about the level of comfort, but it ticks all the other boxes:

>perpetual change
>responsibility
>adrenaline
>constant movement.

>>355935
Money?

>>354287

Defense contracting.

>>355951
Could you give more details? Taking into account what I said previously.

>>355951

Some 20 year old fucking basement dweller competing with late 20 somethings with multiple combat pumps and certs up the wahzoo...yea, NOT happening. Plus it's drying up.

this kid is doomed to be poor. fuck off.

>i know nothing practical
>i want to do something intense & grueling with 300k starting
>but i'm too lazy to do anything about it or look this stuff up myself, also i'm picky
>also no boring jobs pls

OP, just sign up for autism bucks and you'll never be bored with all your free time.

>>355932
Government jobs don't pay that well unless you have specialized skills/knowledge (read: you have to be high up) or you're some sort of staffer/politician who has "retired" and gone to work as a lobbyist/consultant. Problem there is that you need to be a staffer and/or a politician.

Also, taking twenty years to get security clearance? Yeah right. If you start in the right place you can get that far earlier.

>>354287
Bounty hunting?

by default every career involves doing things that are mundane, even in the military you spend weeks in transit, at base in your daily routine or uneventful patrols before you experience maybe a few minutes under fire and 30 minutes on alert taking pot shots at where you think the enemy is

that is just the universe you exist in

maybe you have ADD or something

>>354304

> Not enough, though.

Only if you're retarded and don't know shit.

Mass benefits, GI bill after you leave (Live in New York and collect $35/k per year in housing subsidy), preferred hiring for federal positions after you leave.

>>354505
>It is piss easy and that's why it's an oversaturated field.

Web dev has extremely low barriers of entry but it's far from easy to master.

In many web dev positions you're expected to know:

* expert knowledge of html, css and javascript
* server administration
* multiple server-side scripting languages (php, ruby, python, java, c#...)
* javascript, jquery and client-side mv* frameworks like backbone/ember/angular
* server-side web frameworks like ruby on rails, django, laravel, etc.
* css preprocessors (less, sass)
* workflow automation tools (grunt, rake, bash...)
* popular cms systems like wordpress and drupal
* photoshop
* basic ui design principles
* seo (particularly the technical parts)
* some knowledge of copywriting
* software engineering principles. how to build large web applications without the code becoming spaghetti...
* SQL syntax
* basics of REST, HTTP, etc.
* ability to debug difficult problems in large codebases (sometimes the "google the error message" algorithm doesn't work)

Get a load of this fgt.

I'm pretty ADD myself so I get these concerns. I can't into really autistic positions like finance and programming even though I'm a very fast learner and good thinker.

But you're even pickier than me and you sound sorta stupid. I can't even into anywhere near 6 figures yet.

Good luck dude lol. Welcome to the pain most of us have.

>>354287
Also: Weber?

well bless your little heart

These are some unpopular careers that I find Interesting.

>GIS
>Land Surveyor

Just accept you're never going to leave your mum's basement with an attitude like that.

>>354287
I'm a britfag with the same aversion to mundane office slogging, paperpushing and dick sucking. I took a social science degree (I know) because I don't have a technical mind and my main talent is expressing arguments in writing.

I want something with less of a routine also and any or none of perpetual change, responsibility, adrenaline and constant movement. I don't give a shit how dangerous or not it is though and I'm not moronic enough to expect good pay when making demands like this.

Any tips?

>>357515
Politics? Staffing and such.

>>357518
I actually did Politics but staffing isn't a term we really use here. What do you mean by that? It implies HR to me but I'm not sure how that would fit into a party or government office.

My parents were civil servants and had to wade through a lot of boring shit to get to some fairly interesting stuff after about 20 years.

>>357524
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_staff
Basically, working on the staff of an MP or such.

The one job I know that is an intense, changing ride is working a political campaign. Something everyone should do at least once.

Sounds like you don't want a job.

>>354287

internet gambloing, get good at statistics

>>357733
This is actually a good answer.

>>354287
wholesaler?

The requirement for having that type of job, is being smart enough to create that kind of work for yourself. You seem a bit unqualified.

>>356064

A second year CS student can do most of that and no one is looking for a master in web development. There are a lot of existing online resources that make front end development a cake-walk and the back-end is not that difficult assuming that people working on it went to decent schools.

Generally in programming web development is considered low-tier position, suited for new grads and people who couldn't land actual software development jobs. I know a considerable number of people who went to school for web development and either work a job unrelated to what they studied or skating by on contract work.

OP why are you so interested in all that money?

>>357733
I didn't think about gambling. Do you know about gambling as a "job"? I mean what does it imply in terms of skillset and such.
>>357947
Are you really asking such a question on /biz/?

>>357571
Most MP's have only one or two staff as far as I know. In that dark building across from Westminster.

I've worked briefly in an MP's constituency office, which was boring as fuck. Arranging basic promotional flyers, responding to endless letters about fly tipping etc.

A bankbench MP is merely a statistic in Parliament. My whole politics course only served to teach me severe cynicism about the whole process. My problem is I'm a poor liar face to face so getting on a campaign is something I might struggle with given that I don't trust any of them whatsoever.

>>354287

>post on 4chan.
>I want to be a bodyguard.

No one will hire you.