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Are tipping threads on topic?

>>28767
Going for an arts degree? Yep

Going for a science degree? Maybe. Depends on your internships.

>>28788
Yes

Now that'll be $300,000 for tuition

Plus tip

>>28767
If your parents are already rich, no

I always tip 25% just because thats easier to do in my head

if you know what you want to do before you start and as long as what you want to do has a market, then yes

>>28767


Debatable, I just graduated and have been seeking employment. It's highly discouraging when you you find out that there are many, many jobs out there that do not require any sort of degree to obtain, but companies prefer it due to their ability to be that picky in the current situation.

I'm fortunate because I didn't have to pay for my college experience, but I also got kind of jewed. Bachelor's in Econ from UT Austin, trying to find work but overall I need to apply for a Master's in Finance in the future. Feels a bit ba dman.

>>28767
Yes. I am going to try and succeed on a small Oceanic island - Population 1 or maybe some islanders on the other side of the island, if it's big enough, that is.

Purely theoretically, college is still one of the best investments you can make.

Sure, there are tons of people who will say, "oh yes I didn't go to college and now I'm making a bazillion dollars and using plebs like you for toilet paper to wipe my ass," but the truth is most people who don't go to college work menial jobs, doing nothing but surviving.

Though it's not the million dollars that it used to be estimated at, a college degree is still estimated to be worth about $600k over the course of your life.

"In percentage terms, millennial workers with only a high school education earned 61.5% of the annual income of similarly aged adults with a bachelor's degree."
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-earnings-college-premium-0140211,0,554341.story

So yes, college is worth it. There will be a point, if college prices keep going the way it is and they keep affirmative action up, that college degrees won't be worth the investment, but for right now, it still is.

college's worthiness is based on ability to pay and what you want to do with it.

Parents wealthy enough to pay for even Harvard in cash? Go to college and never stop being a student until you are a 40 year old grad student.

Poorfag but good grades and scholarships? go stem and have a specific job in mind.

Going to have to take a bunch of loans and no specific job in mind? avoid college at all costs and go into trade.

No, IF AND ONLY IF:

- not graduate with 200k debt
- use college to make connections, get internships, jobs, etc

If you aren't shooting for 6 figures <5 years after you graduate then you're better off in skilled labor

>>28884
Move the decimal to the left for %10
Multiply by 2 for 20%

>>30575
white males are now the minority at most colleges. 60% of college students are women. I saw if you're a guy. Just go into a trade out of high school. Marry a college educated woman in a nice office job. Be a stay at home dad till the kids are in middle school. Then go back to work.

>>30606
what do you mean by >go into trade?

>>30683
electrician, plumber, welding, computer certs, other things that are high skill labor where you really don't need college for.

>>28767
HAHAHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


NO. it is not a waste of time unless you can prove to not only your self but the rest of society and in time history that your path was one worthy of forgoing the sythesized tales and lessons we keep safe and agree are useful. Go to school and do not waste your time, anyone who thinks school is a waste of time probably knows a great deal about wasting time!!

>>30699
Basically this

If you go for a degree that doesn't have a high set of base skills you learn it's pointless.

A lot of people make it into a waste of time then say it is a waste of time simply because they didn't apply themselves to learn or took the easy major.

A.K.A. psychology, most of the arts degrees, and quite a few others

>>30575
I have nothing but a HS diploma and my living expenses only eat up about half of my current wage in a job I just started. If I bother looking into certifications that wage will improve, in addition to possible pay raises during employment. This is in a high cost of living, high pay area so when I've saved enough I can simply move somewhere cheaper and increase the scale of my savings considerably.

Granted, if I wanted to make a shitload of money then college would be the way to go, but you can retire extremely early if you live modestly with a decent job and save/invest, especially if you get into certifications. College education is entirely unnecessary and extremely risky unless you have a very high goal that you need a lot of money to accomplish.

>>28767
Maybe. I just got an interview for a 17hr position right out of graduating PSU throuh a temp agency that said they wouldn't have considered me if I hadn't had a degree.

Crusing on craigslist; I see a lot of ads that have bachelors as a basic prereq. Experience is king, though.

Generally speaking, if you go science, you MUST get into undergrad research to have hope of getting a research job in the future. I have applied to several research positions with no call-backs whatsoever (I did biochem).

So I have a lot of analytical skills that'll go to waste. Shit sucks

>>30728
[Citation needed]

This isn't fucking /soc/, we don't need anecdotes.

Engineers are working hard on making all of no-college-degree-required jobs obsolete.

>>30727
>tfw philosophy major

if your parents have enough money to put you through college without putting a shitload of financial stress on themselves then yeah you probably should go to college

if you would need to take loans to get through college then you better know what you're doing, whether its a STEM degree or not

>>28767
Depends
If you do the right things it's very beneficial, if you fuck around and don't take it seriously it's a waste time right.

Right things: marketable degree, networking, going to professional events, DOING INTERNSHIPS (most important)

>>30703
Paramedic?

>>30795
My parents aren't rich, like at all. But they were able to save up enough for me to go to a state school to finish up my education (CC transfer, nothing special). Was it a good idea not to get a loan, and pay tuition outright?

>>30820
doing the right internships. a lot of them these days are just ways for corporations to get free labor around the office for menial tasks during vacation season for real employees. they provide no benefit to the intern.

>>30827
yes. in the right location is pays very well. especially when working for a hospital and not the government.

>>30768
Do you think you can justify your tuition for the salary/wage you're going to be getting from the degree? This is of course compared to picking up a trade or technical skill that would have required less.

Not trying to beat you when you're down trying to get you to think about these things.

>>30884
>salary/wage you're going to be getting from the degree?

Last time I checked, degrees don't pay

>>30744
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-simple-math-behind-early-retirement/

This guy made pretty much an entire blog about this shit, it's basically the exact same thing I've been doing (living frugally, essentially) but he did the favor of breaking down the numbers and giving people specifics, especially on the long-term investment side of things.

Really, just pick up a trade and stop overspending like a faggot and you can be living off of your own investment gains in like 10 years. If you have the capability and motivation then you can probably still make more in that 10 years by going through school and landing a good job, but picking up a trade and living modestly is something pretty much anyone can do. If you've already fucked up your life with debt and children it will take a lot longer though.

No, but tipping is.

>>30908
Then I guess engineering degrees are rather pointless as anyone could be an engineer. Also companies don't set requirements based on degrees by your logic nor is there a discrepancy on most higher paying jobs that have the requirement of a degree compared to those that do not.

>>28767
>that picture
You're giving me flashbacks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PePaCQBMyrI

>>30991
That's the point I'm pretty sure

>>30727
>tfw psychology major
>Have several internships and three years of research experience
>Have a job before I've graduated at a top 10 medical research institute
>Presenting my thesis at a Behavioral Research conference in Shanghai China
>Gonna go to school for a few more years to be a Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner
>Make 6 figures and live anywhere in the country with only an MSN

Fuck I got lucky. I shudder when I think of what could of become of me.

>>31145
Yep most people just become social workers. You got lucky and applied yourself.

It's a lot harder to do that in your field compared to others that's mainly the point I was getting at.

There are always exceptions to the example

>Philosophy Major
>100k in debt
>About to gradute with no job options at all
>Dumped all the money I managed to scrounge up the past few years into Dogecoin and to build a computer to mine it

I'll be laughing at all you STEM fags from my DOGE yacht in a few years.

I think college is a good idea, but I worry today about people leaping into college without really having a direction in life

I think if you don't know what you want to do you, you should go out into the world for a few years, try as much as possible, writing, menial labor, management at Mcdonalds etc. college will still be there when you get back

Yes, if you can learn on your own and enter your chosen industry like that. Lawyer, medical doctor, stuff like that? You're kind of stuck with college. Going to college for something like CS when books are free and the Internet is an open forum seems kind of silly to me, and I hope people realise that one day and put less emphasis on college/degree and more emphasis on knowledge by any means.

>>31202
I think this is it - if you go into something thinking it's the only way to make a living, you probably won't be happy, in which case your performance in the field will suffer. You should find what you love and work from there.

>>28767
Only if you don't accrue debt by getting tuition covered with scholarships and various funds.

>>30989
I think you misunderstood my point. But don't worry, I'm used to that when dealing with STEM people.

Alright guy here's the deal. I go to art school for advertising art direction (less useless than fine arts but arguably still pretty useless). A year ago this week I got a paid graphic design internship ($11/hr), and at this point it's more like a real part-time position because they're so reliant on me. I do good work for them and I'm learning next to nothing in art school that I haven't already learned at the "internship".

Considering dropping out to focus on this job and do freelance work. Do you think I honestly need a degree at this point (much less an arts degree)?

How do I go to college for free? Like what are some grants that are easy to get? Where can I find grants?

>>31307
On one end it might show dedication that you have a degree.

On the other your portfolio(s) likely show that you have what it takes to give a quality product for whatever work you're hired for.

>>31376
grants.com

Depends on a multitude of factors.

Are you going to get a free ride? Are you going for a degree that would benefit society and therefore make you lots of money? Will you be able to/do you already have connections in your chosen field?

Going to college for something like law without having connections is going to be a huge drain on both your wallet and your self-esteem considering no one will ever hire you without connections.

I'd say go for it if you really want though. It felt like a huge waste of time to me, and considering my degree has been doing nothing but sitting at my house in a drawer while I do a job that didn't even require it, I would say it was.

Then again, I majored in computer science.

>study design
>want to do graphic design
>half of the stuff they teach us is more oriented toward industrial design (math)
>i do bad at those classes, but well in the ones related to graphic design
>decide it's not worth it an drop out by the end of the year
>been a neet since then
>just recently started picking up books about design to be self taught

did i dun goofed
or not

>>31227

more like

>only if you got a private school


if you cant afford the $15,000 a year or less that it costs to attend a public university....


you...

you should...

you should consider quitting life

it's not very useful for self-employed people, but it's basically the only way to get a white collar job

I think it depends on the person and what they're going to school for. I'm currently studying visual arts so I can do independent films (I know it won't make me rich, but it's what I want to do), but in a situation like mine I think going to a proper art school or just taking an internship like >>31307 would be a better route than continuing college since I'm highly focused in that area and don't really care about half the stuff they "teach" me just because they're required to.

>>31466
I tend to agree with this as well. Nobody cares what school you went to for art, it's not like becoming a doctor or a lawyer something. They want to see the raw material, the art itself.

>>28767
>Is college a waste of time?

Not if you earnestly want to learn about SEM or will continue to be a scholar after you graduate (which almost no one ever does anymore unless they remain in academia).

Yes if you think a college degree is just a status symbol or a piece of paper that says you're employable.

Incredibly so if you're majoring in CS.

>>28767
Statistically speaking, absolutely not.

>>30439
Economics is generally a disappointing degree despite the basic logic that it should be pretty useful.

>>30606
Don't tell people to go STEM. It's a damaging generality to perpetuate.

>>31669
You still learned something in the process (that you possibly don't need to go), and you're learning on your own right now. I wouldn't say it was a totally wasted effort. Just work on your portfolio and maybe getting a part-time job or something in the meantime.

But yeah, the art degrees are really weird. My school only has one class where you do actual figure drawing (and it's only an elective), and the rest of it is just really basic abstract stuff where they tell you NOT to draw figures or 3D objects/environments. It feels completely backwards.

>>28767

I agree with Aaron Cleary A.K.A. Captain Capitalism much of the time, but one thing on which I do disagree with him is his opinion about credentials. He's said, roughly, that they are for hiring managers who don't want to sort through the resumes. And I'm like: tough. If I'm hiring someone for a position where I get a lot of applications, the position just gets more expensive the more time I go looking for someone.

People who say it's a "piece of paper" are the first people I would eliminate, as they have no concept of the meaning of that piece of paper. Your paycheck is just a piece of paper: can I keep it rather than giving it to you?

>>32051
>Yes if you think a college degree is just a status symbol or a piece of paper that says you're employable.
Unfortunately, a lot of people still think that. I don't really understand why since a person can get a degree and still end up living the same exact way they were before they went to school if they don't know what they're doing.

>>32158

>no concept of the meaning of that piece of paper

I take that back: I'm pretty sure that they know the meaning. They're just acting like manipulative smart-asses who think they can confuse a smart man.

>>32051

>Incredibly so if you're majoring in CS.

You should have went somewhere other than DeVry or ITT Institute.

>>30575
People like you are the ones killing education

Plumbing, welding, construction, and other jobs of the sorts are still high in demand. Community colleges will even sponsor people if they can't support themselves. If you're considering going to college, just go in and ask, you'd be surprised how many financial aid programs will support you for nothing. At least in California it's like that, other states will at least set you up with sponsorships.

>>32051
>Yes if you think a college degree is just a status symbol or a piece of paper that says you're employable.

This is actually a problem with a lot of employers from what I'm seeing.

>>32376
(Not him.) Having a degree is like a food product being stamped with "organic" or those websites with "W3C compliant" logos back in the day. It's a sad fact. People going into education with the mindset to obtain that are what's killing education, making it less desirable to employ anyone with a paper. Then they ask for higher degrees. Then you have the much debated inflation of degrees.

>>32189
I'm so sick of the "shit school" defense of CS. CS is a joke everywhere you look (including the top schools) or merged with CpE/EE. The content is watered down to bloody hell and the "theory" and "mathematics" is trivial as fuck.

Spend 2 years or so coding on your own and reading CS literature and you'll be far better educated than the fedora wearing manchildren graduating in CS

>>32540
All computer-related courses need to be modernized to include mobile technologies. Whether we like it or not, mobile technology like tablets are taking off.

Dont know about you amerifags, but here in Brazil all the semi decent jobs are for people with a degree, doesnt matter on what.
Shit sucks.

Better to know how to grow fruits and vegetables and live or survive with enough until dying very old?

For the most part, yes. There are some jobs that quite frankly, you cannot do without a college degree. If you REALLY want to be a lawyer or a doctor or a programmer or whatever, you don't really have another option. That said, if you're just looking to make money, going for a trade school or starting your own business would be better. The job market for many occupations requiring a degree is starting to become overcrowded, and as such you may find yourself needing to take unpaid internships, or building your resume with experience as soon as you enter college, if you want to stay competitive.

>>32797
>lawyer or a doctor or a programmer
One of those things is not like the others.

>>28767
Might as well ask here

Going to University in the US of A, how bad of an idea would it be if I go for a Bachelor of Science degree in Physics? I should mention I'm a poorfag.

>>32927
Not good unless you're serious about research or doing a double major in something else.

half of you people in this thread shouldn't be giving out advice at all, i'm really praying hard some poor kid doesn't come waltzing in here taking this shit to heart

>>33090
>Asking 4chan, the literal asshole of the internet full of pieces of shit, for advice
they deserve it if they believe any 'advice' they read on this site

>>33090
So which side are you on?

>>31309
hey i'm a philosophy major too.

We'll be CEO's anon

>>33133

if you're going to university for something other than medicine/law you're a joke

if you're doing something business related that isn't accounting you're wasting your time

if you're doing art school you're going to end up as a starving no talent artist with a ego

>>33214
what about s-science anon...

>>33214
the talent is either there or it isn't

>>33202
Probably.

>>32102
>getting a part-time job or something in the meantime
that is such a hard desition to make because i really hate working retail on something i dislike just for a couple of dollars plus the "experience"
i don't know man im really into art, creating and consuming (music, drawings, games). working like that would be the complete opposite to what i want to achieve in life

i mean those hours i think i can put into better use by improving my skills on the areas in which i actually want to get a jpb

fucking art degrees
if it weren't for traditional fucks who think a degree is mandatory or for making contacts it truly wouldn't be necessary at all

god bless the internet

>>28809
What do i need to know about getting a science degree

>>32797
>If you REALLY want to be a [...] programmer
>you don't really have another option

see >>32540

Most programmers don't need college degrees and the information they need to learn isn't at all difficult. Shit goes double for IT

>>33214
>if you're doing something business related that isn't accounting you're wasting your time
The only part of the post I agree with. I'm not THAT cynical

Who knows?

I've always considered myself an academic but right now I am in university for English and am in debt and it is probably all a waste of time but hey

there might be an evident brightside to all of this in 10 years

>>33315
>for English
>waste of time
Yep.

>>33333
although if you are a kid looking to go into some potentially useless (or 'non-practical' if you want to be generous) degree then I'd say go for it if

a) You can afford it
b) You are good at it
c) You can enjoy it
d) You are actually good at it

>>33263

i assume people with talent wouldn't need to fuck with art school since they already put in hours each day into improving their craft

honestly, if you went to art school that isn't cal arts or vfs no employer is going to care which school you went into, it's all about your portfolio. even if you did go to the aforementioned schools your parents must be loaded so you don't need to worry about living inside a box in the future

>>33333
Quints confirm what everyone already knows

>>28767
No not if you're smart and want to be involved in STEM fields.

>>32927
Why do you want a B.S. in Physics?

Got one myself but I wouldn't recommend it for others. If you want a job then learn to code on your own or major in a full fledged Engineering program (don't listen to the C students in Physics that call Engineering watered down Physics; most derivations in physics are far from rigorous so you're not missing much and you don't learn anywhere near enough to apply it). If you want in to graduate school then a Honors Mathematics BA/BS or Math MS are far better to whip you into shape for graduate studies.

Im majoring in Marine Biology, what do.

>>33423

Go to bed Jotaro

>>33293
Get ready for

1 Job for every 7 Postdocs
Applying to >200 opening in every 1st/2nd world country and getting only 3~ responses
Applying for your next job as soon as you land one (which have 1 year nonrenewable contracts)
Never getting tenure
Low pay
Publish or become forever unemployable

>>32540

I'd be sick of it too if I went to a shit school.

>>33599
What's engineering like, then

If moot still gets money from the ads on the bottom then why doesn't everyone put their ads on the bottom?

>>33653
>Thinks his cs program couldn't be taught to chimps

unless you are doing something related to engineering or have daddies money for medical school

yes

>>33858
Anon, your image has enlightened me. I wanted you to know that you have my gratitude.

>>31307
If it's Art insituite or Art Academy you are fucked for life.

LEL FOR PROFIT SCHOOLS.

>>31376
You like the military?
Or are you scottish?

>>33882
You're welcome

Maybe someday you'll get human rights too

>>31177
This is exactly why I switched from Psychology to Computer Science when I transferred from community college. Went from minimal opportunities to being the piece every start-up nearby needs. Planning on going from app development to vidya gaems. Shame I'm stuck with a shit ton of loans because my family is pretty much looks like a shattered window and have been poor all my life.

>>31376
if you're a cis white male, you don't qualify

>>34146
2/10

Too obvious

>>33265
Well, you could always look for some freelancing opportunities.

>>31740
Not all of us have mommy and daddy there to pay the bills. And tuition wavers in New England are almost useless. Tuition is only about 2-3k, but "Fees" are about 10x that

>>32540
>content is watered down everywhere you go
Damn, if having to read/write assembly code and then convert it to microcode is watered down, I'm not sure what actual CS is. We're probably just being beginners when we have to design and wire a processor and show that it's able to actually do shit. I bet the non-watered-down experience uses such complicated things as Java or Python to run their "efficient" applications.

>>34377
>if having to read/write assembly code and then convert it to microcode is watered down

That's not impressive at all.

>tfw about to start Uni in a few days.
>Doing Defence and Security studies, minoring in History.
>Literally one of only 10 people studying this in the country.
>/fit/izen life training to go Infantry then SF.
>Hoping for a long military career.
Did i fuck up guises?

>>33423
Finger fish for a living

>>34146

That feel...

>>34377
A good CS degree should be 60% math, and not easy courses like "discrete math", which is essentially dumbed down number theory and combinatorics for CS majors.

>>34141
I am not a CS major. I was serious.

>>28767
no, but literally only because it's a necessity to get a job.

college doesn't teach you anything, and it an enormous waste of time. BUT you need that fancy sheet of paper to convince anyone to hire you

>>34490
Getting to the CS part will take too long in a 4 year program.

CS should really just be a graduate degree only and they should kill the farce of an undergrad program they have now.

Since we're in the topic.. I'm considering applying for college, perhaps Petroleum Engineering or Automotive Engineering, but I have severe issues with maths.

Is this a good idea? I really am willing to learn more and apply myself to a better future, but at the same time I'm very scared of encountering huge math barriers.

>Ph.D in mathematics
>$300k starting

you tell me

>tfw studying information management (pretty much an MIS degree that's more technical)
>tfw I have no future and a low IQ

I fucking blew it.

At least I don't have any debt though.

>>34582
You can't be that stupid.

Dunning-Kruger effect would have kicked in and you'd think you're a genius.

>>34515
College taught me how to be a nurse. It wasn't a waste of time

>>33202
Only if you have the right university name and connections.

>No Skull and Bones
>CEO
pick one and only one.

>>30703
What's funny is that I have met a lot of 30+year olds at university who are sick of their trade and want a more stable job.

What is sad is that there's no such thing. We are all doomed

>>34590
Dunning-Kruger only explains why most criminals save for serial killers have IQ averages below 90. Serial Killers? They're on average around 115 despite some dimwits like Wuornos in the 85 and lower club.

>>34590
The life of an IT help desk monkey awaits me! I should have gone into a trade.

>>34515
>industry connections and opportunities
>social skills
>knowledge of your field of study

It's painfully obvious you have no idea what you're talking about

If you're paying for it out of your pocket, it isn't a particularly good university for your subject, and you haven't spent that time networking and accruing friends/future job opportunities, then yes, it is indeed a waste of time.

>tfw 2nd year biology major
>degree is dead end
>no interest in it at all
>not good at it, mediocre grades despite free time
>not gonna make it into med school
>wouldn't want to even if I did
>at least it was relatively cheap
I wish I took a trade

>>34548
You can try, but DROP CLASSES IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE FAILING BEFORE THE DEADLINE

or that shit will screw up your GPA.

Really though if you haven't done basic calc before you have gotten into Uni you will likely be unable to do engineering.

>>34750
see>>34582

We're gonna make it bro.

>>34764
Keep in mind that dropped classes will still show up on your transcript so you can't drop too many if graduate school is a goal.

Of course, if that's a goal, you shouldn't be failing classes, either.

>tfw you just want to drop out of college and get a stable, low skill job where you can live comfortably in a one room apartment and vicariously through the internet solely by deriving all entertainment and socialization through image boards and pirated tv, movies, books, and videogames, while somehow still having enough money to send to your parents to pay back for being a gigantic failed investment and rid you of your guilt of being a shitty son

>tfw first year of college is almost over
>still have no clue about what I want to major in

>>30820
All the 'right things' sound like they involve too much ass kissing. Any self respecting person isnt gonna do that shit.

>>34875
I would do that if I had the guts

But here I am working 80 hour weeks in a super competitive field to make my parents proud

They are too nice

>>34885
>no clue
Impressive. Does your uni have a list of all majors somewhere? Go through them one at a time. Mark the hell no options in one color, the maybes in one color and anything higher in a third.

>>34457
>studies

You fucked up bad, son

I liked this thread better when it was on /sci/ . . .

For the retards who take out thousands in loans and have no social skills, college is a waste of time.

For someone who has good communication /social skills, a good work ethic, proper hygiene, goods grades, college is amazing.

>tfw broke as fuck mexican
>going to college for free thanks to federal pell grants and board of governers fee's
>dont even buy text books cause I got friends who buy em and let me use them
>out of $2500 I'm getting (didnt attend college last semestr otherwise would be $5000) I spent $100 so far
I wonder what should I study in.
currently taking core classes to transfer to university
college is bretty chill so far

>>34981

>Get a full ride to college! STEM degree
>Finish first year well.
>Get mail, 'oh well we have to raise tuition by $3,000 a year! it's our first time in forever, we're sorry! It won't happen again"
>Now $3,000 in loans. Oh, ok...
>Finish sophmore year great! Like the school a lot, really enjoy going there.
>lol we are raising by $3,000 srry
>Now $6,000 a year in loans, 9,000 total.
>Well, I like my school, and it's too late for CC, plus I'd probably lose some credits/opportunities...
>Finish Junior year
>SORRY We're raising our tuition AGAIN haha well it's been like forever since the last raise right??
>can't quit, can't transfer, would lose too much aid/etc
>now $20,000 in debt

holy fuck i was cheated

>>35068
Holy shit man

I would have changed schools as soon as they raised the tuition by 3k, that's fucked up by itself

not criticizing you because I get why you stayed at first but fuck

>>35068

Mind saying what college? Already happened to you but you might save others the trouble.

>>28767
If you're not on a full ride, you're getting scammed.

>>35068
I'm the guy you're originally replying to.

I have a few scholarships, but every god damn year they change the requirements. It's like they're trying to steal my money, but I'm still fulfilling their requirements so they don't have an excuse to cut off money.

>21 year old compsci major
>currently on my 2nd year, minimum 3 more years to complete my BS
>tuition payed for in full by Obama (lol jk faggot you're paying)
>live at home, father pays for books and other expenses
>feeling discouraged; 24 seems a little too old to be living at home, but I don't have much of a choice until I graduate
>certain connections might lead to a job at ebay post-graduation
I dunno, just felt like putting this out there.

>>28767

Hmm, I'm considering becoming an actuary/derivatives trader

any tips? anons with experience?

>yfw i was a hospitality management major
>yfw i landed a job in the financial field

All my friends studied finance and worked their asses off, i studied hospitality and had a great time (with lots of sexy sloos in my major). Still landed an equal job as them without all the work...and im good at getting interviewed

>>28767
Yes and no.

1. It really depends on the course work you are going to take.

2. If you know how to make money without college and have networking skills, then it is a complete waste of your time.

3. If you are not that smart and need that extra credibility, then it isn't as much of a waste of time.

4. Above all TRY to make sure you are not paying so much for it, and get a part time job to minimize the damage each semester.

College supply of degrees is killing demand for having the degrees. Now people in fucking NJ need a bachelors to flip burgers in McDonalds.

>>35462

those idiots dont realise how much in finance is being able to talk to people, network, consult, persuade, etc. I did a psych major, exactly the same, plenty of sexy crazy sloots and got an advisory position at an IB.

>>35209
That happened to me. I had a nearly full ride with financial aid and some other smaller scholarships, but after I didn't take a math class for one semester (was goign to take it that summer, so I could focus on it), they pulled around $7,000 in aid from me, and I couldn't pay, and refused to take out a loan, so I dropped out. Sucked pretty bad.

OP here. I made this thread high on ketamine and I forgot I made it

Should I just go into trades? I'm not scared of sweat and I just want to live comfortably.

Not in Europe.

life as a whole, is

>>34997
same here, majoring in geology starting pay 100k

>>34976
Agreed

>>36776
> starting pay 100k

Prepare to be disappointed.

>>34634
we could always bring our skills newly industrialized countries that have plenty of opportunity ahead of them.

>>36967
If only it was that easy, how many people are willing to do that? not many.

>>37012
that just means less competition for those who are.

>>30844
>free labor
My internships were paid nigger. Also a few of them I spent a significant amount of time "learning" and contributed little to the firm.

>>34914
>working is asskissing
Have fun being poor!

>>33858
>Discrete
>hardest CS Class

lol.
for me it was one of the easiest.

>This question came up during a class one day
>Some guy answered, completely seriously, that it's not a waste of time if you're going for something like a liberal arts degree, but it is if you're trying to become something like an engineer, and you'd be better off being self taught

>>37317
>last week
>be me
>Jewish studies class
>everyone talking about how they're off to Burger King/their mom's/some other BS job after graduation
>mfw all these Jews dgaf about getting real jobs or wasting daddy's money
>be CS guy
>laugh internally

>>37317
>Self taught engineer
Hoo boy. I dont want to be anywhere within 100m of anything that guy designed or approved. Assuming he gets a job at all at all, he'd have to get it by literally sucking his employers dick.

>>37365
> being a CS guy
> laugh autisiticly

ftfy

>>37368
He's an autist that just decided to learn 6 coding languages in a few months for fun, and builds robots for no real reason. I've never seen one of them though, so i don't know to what extent he builds them, but still.

>>37317
Did he come from the Bizarro universe or something?

>>37391
>Builds robots
That is literally the equivalent of painting by numbers for engineering, if its the robots im thinking of that come in kits.
>6 coding languages
So he knows 4 useless languages poorly, and two useful languages even more poorly?

I honestly feel bad for the guy, hes autistic and has nothing going for him.

>>37473
I just assumed he makes some real basic shit anyway, but yeah, he doesn't really get that just because you're able to start learning something on your own doesn't always mean you'll learn it well enough to get something out of it.

>>37473
>two useful languages
Somehow i severely doubt that he knows any useful languages for engineering, things like fortran and matlab. At best he knows some C variant.

What about International Relations And National Security as a major. I wanted to do Aeronautical engineering but my math is no were near good enough

>>37561
Double major in Political Science and Human Geography

>>28767
What would you say if I was a low middle class Black going for a Journalism degree? Would that be considered shit tier?
>insert successful black man here

>>30703
Stupid question. How do I get into a trade exactly? Where/how do I start?

I'm in university right now and im absolutely miserable with my choices, plus theres debt.

>>37586
Unless you want to be a weatherman, yea.

>>37561
Intl Relations (which is political science) is a double edged sword. It can either be tough to market or a great basis for a career and future education depending on how you play it. The median mid-career income for IR is actually much better than you'd think.

>>37746
thats what i was noticing Im going to do ROTC to pay for it after the Military i was looking tword the alphabet agencies

>Average of C's in highschool because I didn't take school seriously
>23 year old NEET now, want to go to college to major in Biology, looking for career in Microbiology/cytology
On a scale of 1-10 how difficult is this going to be to achieve? Do I still have time or am I too late?

>>37813
If you go to community college and get good grades it is totally achievable.

>>28767
Depends. Cronyism and nepotism still exist and if you're lucky you could land a high paying job you're totally unqualified for something I managed. Of course not everyone is lucky enough to personally know the people in charge of a company's hiring process.
Best to take a very hard look at any and all avenues available to you before completely abandoning college.

>>37813
don't fuck up in CC and do your best to get a 4.0 and get some club activities in there. also lab internships will help A LOT. CC labs also need helpers/volunteers so do that too. you'll be alright.

if you work hard and be consisted it will not be difficult.

>>30768
When I was in college I used to lie to the strippers who were asking me questions, and when my schooling came up I always went with philosophy.

It's like my own version of saying "I'm an architect"

>>37317
Was he talking about software engineering or janitorial engineering?

>>37813
>looking for career in Microbiology/cytology

Ha

if you dont live in progressing, dense cities you probably dont need a degree, if you do and youre a male then you probably do. i say this knowing some females who got "Desk jobs" at various silicon valley companies and kind of worked there way up in HR departments - but

The richest three people I know are all self made millionaire high school dropouts.

The poorest people I know are all science based college grads.

Anectodal evidence I know but I think people who have the ability to succeed will do so without college, I feel like college just give those people without those natural talents a springboard to a decent career.

>>30642
I don't know man. That's like, super complicated. It's too difficult. I think ill just keep tipping 25%.

I found college a useful period of learning how to live by yourself as an adult and take control of your life and the consequences of your actions.

The actual studies were dog shit and worthless but i wouldnt say it wasnt useful for that crappy piece of paper that is a requirement in the industry.

I dont think higher education is ever a waste of time but it certainly can be a waste of money or waste of an investment,

>>37785
Should have gone into law enforcement

I'm doing economics and politics. Got a internship lined up for me. But would you says thats a worthless degree /biz/?

>>39548
Depends who the internship is with. If you plan on going into politics though, everything you do is worthless.

>>28767

It's a great place to network, and probably the only way your going to get internship work for any thing worthwhile.

>>39560
It's a nice company. Castrol lubricants.

>Start full time work from age 16
>Now 24 and have progressed in the Pubic sector earning £32k and have a fucking massive pension already
>Friends who stayed on to do college/uni are currently stacking shelves in the local supermarket/retail store earning £12k and pulling 50 hour weeks including nightshifts with zero OT rates and have next to nothing in their pension pot
>Ask them if they're going to get a job related to their degree
>"Can't find any jobs"

It's only a waste of time if you have no plans after you graduate.

>>39572
>Castrol

decent internship, its a good company
Could you not have just done Economics? or Economics and maths?

>>39572
That sounds pretty good. If it took college enrollment to obtain an internship with that fine and noble lube company, then it was money well spent.

>>39619
I was worried i was going to get bored with pure econ. I didn't really end up enjoying the other stuff in the end.

>>39618
>selling yourself to the pubic sector
>yurop

>>39639
How far are you into your course?
Politics has some use, if you want to go for a position in the public sector or government then they tend to love it for some reason.
They might just look at your economics in the private sector, but if its the equivalent or almost equivalent to the lone degree then you will be fine

>>28809
Lol, i took an arts degree, right now i have an art related job and earn decent money with an easy job of 4hours or less/day.

4chan help please.

University of Indiana's Kelley Business School is offering me direct admission first year and they're also allowing me to take honors courses. I like business but I don't know which field would be best to pursue (I'm thinking Finance/Accounting). Any help or insight is appreciated.

>>39657
year 2 out of three. I want to end up cooperate. I also might want to dabble into UNESCO.

>>39670
Lol, I have no degree, right now I have pieces in every gallery in town, working on my third public installation.

College is free here but since I'm in a third world country you either have to excel at your field or have enough years under your belt to move to west europe/USA

so I guess the hard part isn't finishing college, it's moving abroad with your knowledge (unless you want to earn next to nothing compared to what people are paid in EU/US, then stay here)

>>39766
I'm a year or two from getting my engineering degree, but I'm thinking of packing up and finishing it in the US. Is this doable or a shit idea?

>>30642
>>28884
>>39340

>not just tipping with your change
Honestly, pizza guys deliver constantly, they're constantly getting tipped. They don't need 25%

I want to be physiotherapist.
What do i need to do?
Is it good job in canada?

>>40453
>What do i need to do?
Study?

>Is it good job in canada?
Who cares if it's what you want to do?

>>40470
Sorry I messed up my typing there
I wanted to write where can i learn medical Latin?
Does it have to be in a university?

>Not living in a country were education is cheap
Top lel

Hey gays, how do I into university professor?


Also how shitty is my career choice

>>30727
Is Archaeology/Anthropology a waste of time?

>>40794
yes. unless you want to be an anthropology professor or something.

>>40762
Very shitty. Massively competitive, the job is kind of cushy but quite hard work.

How to get in:
Publish papers, lots, high quality.
Do post-doc. Do teaching at post-doc. Slowly work your way up chain from temporary post-doc teaching staff to actual full member of staff.

It's not worth it, m8. Going from post-doc to lecturer with permanent position is a hellish uphill struggle where everyone will be better qualified than you.

>>40870
God damn that sounds tough. I was planning on just getting my masters to teach at a CC then work on my doctorate if I can. Im just not sure if its worth it

>>40475
Probably not.

If you felt like knowing the latin language: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Topic:Latin

But vocabulary is what you'd probably need:
http://dcc.dickinson.edu/latin-vocabulary-list

Or you could just read novels with big words.

>>40848
So that means I'll be expecting what >>40870
describes?

Who /law/ here?

>>30575
Do you understand selection bias? Of course you don't, you just parrot shit you've heard, like everyone else in the college bubble.

You can't compare people with bachelors degrees and people without because you have to demonstrate some base level of competency to get a bachelors and probably half the population can't do it.

To do the comparison properly you need to control for high school GPA, parents SES etc. Then you can see what the actual effect of the bachelors degree is (should also break it down by field as some are much better than others)

>>30754
Don't kid yourself though, there are a lot of people wearing nice shoes sitting at desks whose jobs are being replaced by contractors who outsource, ex payroll

>>32158
Fine, but Clarey's point is that there are a lot of people trying to out-credential each other for the benefit of hiring managers and it's dumb to get into debt to compete.

Especially considering there are a lot of opportunities to make money in other ways (skilled trades, small businesses, etc)

Why is it that the people telling you not to go to college are often unemployed and in their early twenties?

>>34537
True, it's not like anyone coming out of an undergrad CS program actually knows any Computing Science.

Are there 2 year programs that are entirely focused on becoming employable in the software business?

This question could be literally obliterated by:
De-regulate every field so that anyone can do any job and allow for private certification. Then competition will force degrees to be worth something and for the non-degreed to see if they can make what they will. Sure, you're going to get wackos who pose as doctors and may mess some people up. Your alternative is our corporate socialism where you "can't" get jobs without degrees, and the degrees don't even teach people how to do jobs excellently.

p.s. the non-degreed can just oeverage degreed people to get what they want, i.e. write a book and have a degreed friend put their stamp of approval on it.

It depends on the college.

The college I went to required more units of irrelevant, non-major-related courses than courses that WERE related to my major to graduate. That was a big waste of time.

And then once I got those out of the way, I took all the major-related courses at once in one big lump. That would've been fine theoretically, but it turned out most of my professors were senile or just plain incompetent. I only had like two good computer science professors there.

There were a few concepts I learned in college which I otherwise wouldn't have figured out on my own, but I could easily have just networked and made new friends who were also into programming who could have taught me these things.

I regret going to college.

>>34560
>300k starting
>Mathematics
Yeah no.

>tfw all the shitposting everywhere about degrees is making me unsure if I should go math, physics or compsci

Help me out /biz/nessmen.

>>40794
My sister graduated with a degree in anthropology and archaeology. Her end-goal was to work on artifacts in a museum.

She went on various digs and did a lot of survey work. She was indispensable in her college's museum program.

The problem with digs and survey work is that they're seasonal, they're only in certain parts of the country, there may not be enough to go around, and it comes down to the luck of the draw.

She could only get piecemeal work and something happened to where she couldn't go on long-ass hikes anymore. But she put the class teachings skills she learned in her college's museum to get a job teaching kids at a children's science museum. She has no intentions of moving up in her career field from here and she makes barely more than I do (unarmed security guard).

So, was college worth it for her?

>>41529

CS is pretty lucrative, you'll always be employable.

>>41543
So she was screwed over by an injury I presume?

>>41589
She got pretty damn dehydrated and pushed herself too hard on a survey and ever since then she gets light-headed and has trouble on hikes.

I think it's cause she's skinnyfat but she won't hear any of that hoodoo mumbo jumbo

>>40794

Well that all depends on what you prioritize. Are you looking to make a lot of money, or are you going into that field for the love studying peoples and cultures past and present? If it's the former, I say it's not worth it. More often than not you'll be stuck doing a Professor gig and, from what I've heard (granted I haven't done the proper research on this, so I could be wrong) it's difficult to get a good position as a Professor at a good school and you basically need to wait for a tenured professor to die to get in. If money isn't the most important thing to you, and it's more a means to an end, and that end is being an Archaeologist/Anthropologist, then, by all means, go for that degree.

Also, small anecdote, my Mother graduated from UCLA (Magna Cum Laude at that) with a Masters in Anthropology, and was a research paper away from a PhD. She ended up not going for that though and went into a field that had just about nothing to do with her degree and ended up running a pretty successful Vocational Counseling business that helped people on worker's compensation get back into the job market, until depression/bipolar disorder hit her hard and she sold the business.

As for the larger topic at hand: I skipped college and I ended up in a pretty okay career working in Post-Production. I made pretty good money, but I absolutely despised it and I ended up quitting and now am taking a lower (Much lower) paying part-time job so I can go back to school and enter a career I'll actually like. Since I'm not sure WHAT that is, I'm going to a junior college to try a few things out and see what I like. It really made me think of this quote I read about not prioritizing the money first, but rather focusing on what you're good at/like when it comes to finding a career.

are people still stupid enough to owe colleges money after scholarships?

>tfw nepotism
i have an associates in business administration and make $60k/yr at a car dealership currently, which 20 years down the road i will be the owner of

>>41543

Could you slap your sister for me? She sounds incredibly retarded. It's like getting a bachelors in Religion, or Women's Studies.

It's perfectly okay to get a degree in a hobby, as long as it is practical.

>your sister

>>41543

Does she like her job?

>>41619

I hate this crap. Regardless or not if you're a total retard, the owner of a business will pass down his 1m+ business to his son. For a car dealership, I'm not too mad, but this shit has been in politics forever.

>>28809

>Going for an arts degree? Yep


Wrong. It really needs to go in the sticky that college is not a waste of time. Sorry m80s, doing your best at school and doing philosophy / gender studies at any sort of good university will still put you a million miles higher on the career ladder than any sort of entry level job straight after school (except if you're a 1 in 100 million person that creates a great business).

This

>>41640
Yeah, she likes her job. She enjoys what she does and that's good enough for her I guess. But why she doesn't want to shoot for top of her field work I don't know.

>>41632
Our dad always told us, "You gotta find work doing something that you love." So we were both on board with that. Too bad I love writing.

My sister always told me, "Just follow your dreams, anon! They have college degrees for English and Literature! Why would they have degrees for that if they didn't have any jobs out there?"

So she went on and followed her dream and got herself and my dad buried in debt.

>>41652
I'm actually not the owner's son. My father is the general manager. It is a family-owned dealership, very successful, and the current owner has 2 kids. BUT the owners' kids are not allowed to work there/have anything to do with the business due to crazy as fuck wife of the owner.

So basically I am the best option to continue the "family" business.

>>41663
>Resume
>Job Applied For: Sales Representative at RC Willey
>Education: High School Diploma
>BA in Theater

>>39831
Depends on your college. You could also do post-graduate studies in the US.

>>41687
still better than high school graduate with k-mart as work experience

>>41710
Is it though?

>>34560

There is more to college than just the degree.

- Networking
- Demonstrating that you are more well rounded than the average person
- Further development of the ability of learning how to learn

that being said college is worth it depending on what you make of your experience

if you just barely do enough to graduate, you don't network, you don't gain relevant work experience, you don't socialize, you don't enjoy the freedom and relatively few responsibilities... then it is a huge wast of time, money, and effort

>tfw want to get into photojournalism
>tfw digital age

I'm not sure if that's a viable choice these days.

>>41668
>But why she doesn't want to shoot for top of her field work I don't know.

Well that's because of this:

>She enjoys what she does and that's good enough for her[...].

She might not want to advance since that will take her away from the part she really enjoys. Not everyone finds satisfaction in dominating their field, or are motivated by moving up an advancing. That doesn't mean that they aren't satisfied or motivated.

Then again, reading the second part of that post, I can see why you would want her to shoot higher.

>>41749

>Demonstrating that you are more well rounded than the average person

What if the average person goes to college? Well the average employable person.

Look at job listings for something you're interested in
If it says "DEGREE IN X REQUIRED" then obviously you should go to college
Ignore the jackasses who say you can get any job working your way through the field
The majority of companies require a specific degree, no exceptions, especially if you're going into the sciences

>>41778
the average person has some college, but doesn't graduate. i would guess 25% of the working population has a bachelor's or higher.

getting a degree shows you can follow through with your goals. i personally think college is a waste of time, and most non-degreed people can do just fine at most non STEM jobs, but it's all "muh degree!". lots of entrepreneurs are college dropouts.

Give it to me straight /biz/.

I'm graduating with a degree in Literature. What jobs are there for me? I don't want to teach. Do companies even have positions for me? I just wanna be financially independent soon.

>>32540
>guy in my C++ class literally wears a fedora

>>41830

>doesn't want to teach

write a book
open a business editing papers or writings
write orders down for customers at your local starbucks

>>41830
>Lit
>don't want to teach
GOOD LUCK

>>41830

You could be a prostitute to make ends meet.

If you don't have at least 2 internships completed by graduation, you're gonna get royally assfucked when looking for a job; even more so if your major is crappy, like a liberal arts or straight biology

>>41835
Several people in my C++ class wore fedoras and had those autistic wispy beard/goatees. It was fucking bizarre.

>>41835
I honestly don't see the appeal in wearing one

>tfw freshman Psych major with rather high drive to succeed
>no idea how to utilize that drive

What can I even do in the Psych field as a freshman? How would I even begin to find internships, if they'd even take me this early? Besides working at special needs facilities, is there really anything else to do yet?

>>41616
I enjoy studying other cultures, namely mythological cycles. For me money is a thing to fuel my other hobbies, and I plan on being single for life (intimate relationships are not my thing).

>>41912
Fedoras looks awful by themselves, you need the full attire to even try to pull them off I think.

>>33294

Correct, most programmers don't need college degrees, but employers don't know shit. Unless you're lucky enough to have your resume looked at by someone who actually knows the job (hah), not having a degree is one of the quickest ways to get tossed aside.

>>41947
Do volunteer work.

Read up on the research being done by the professors at your college, find someone researching something you like and read some of their papers, and then email them asking if they have any openings in their lab

looking thru this thread makes me kinda sad.
You guys really wanna become derivative-traders?
For the rest of your fucking life trading derivatives?
I don't even know what to say but does that mean you don't expect / want much from your life?

>>42139
I'm pretty sure no one has recommended becoming a trader.

Internships are key, you want to be able to say you have a couple years experience already getting out of university. For your third and fourth years, and maybe second if you find one early enough, you can do internships and such, summer too, so you can have "blank" years experience when you graduate.

>>42463
Any recommendations for intern hunting?

>>42480

Honestly, just look at your department website and see if they have a list of faculty that does research, or look for internships online with companies. I only have experience with the former, but am planning on doing a summer internship with a company this summer. I lucked out on that one because my major adviser emailed me that info.

Anyway, for the professor ones, find one who's work interests you, read up on it a bit, and then go to their office hours and talk to them to see if they have spots. The key is going in and talking, email and phone is impersonal and they get a lot of them.

>>42139

most do it for the money, while it lasts.
lifetime there is typically 15 years.
they either get fired in the meantime or make enough to do something more worthwhile.

>>41912

Congratulations, you're not a socially inept creep.

>>41958

The job market seems pretty slim for anthropology, but if that's your thing, then by all means throw yourself into it. I can't tell you much about the field, but I assume you have a better idea than me of what sort of jobs you can get.

>>42099
Volunteer work as in community service-like work, or is there some sort of Psych-oriented volunteer work (like participating in experiments?)

Do you know how I'd go about searching for what professors at my college study? I looked around my college's website and don't really see anything like that (specifics, at least)

>>42702

In regards to community service, you can do both. Service work for the community center, city, schools, etc. and participate in studies so you can say you have some familiarity with studies.

Also, when you say college do you mean 2 or 4 year?

my friend was broke skinny and jobless but he got a cs degree from a pretty good school now he does computer shit for goldman sachs and makes a 6 figure salary and is fat as fuck because he spends all of his money on expensive food
so overall i'd say it worked out in his case

lol at all the lazy poorfags itt
b-but how could i possibly pay off a $30k debt??
face it, even a women's study degree isn't really that big of a fuck-up unless you're a complete retard who can't make money in which case you would have been poor anyway

>>42735
4 year, trying for Bachelor's or Master's then Grad School (all of the degree names still confound me)

It's America's top 3 schools for Psych, so I know they quite a lot of research but I'm not sure where to get details

>>28809
how am I going to be an art historian without a degree in art, retard?

>>35462
>finance
>hard major

people only act like finance is hard because finance majors are basically business majors in terms of intelligence
by business major in terms of intelligence i mean retarded

>>42772
I'm always kinda sad reading how Americans have it hard to go to university because it's so expensive and shit.

>>42565
so people are willing to trade in the prime of their life for money? Basically that's it, isn't it?
Well, good thing they'll soon find a way to rewind time with enuogh money

>>42819
america is fucked but if you ignore all poor/stupid people and pretend they don't exist it's pretty good

>>42880
How can I ignore 90% of the country?

>>42861
That's what work is. Time for money. No one likes their job, sometimes you have to do things you don't like. That's life.

>>42889
by having not money and not watching tv or going on useless websites like facebook 4chan twitter etc.

>>42806
lol bio major upset that finance majors have to do less studying and make more money?

But I can confirm unless you do quant finance or go to a top school where the required workload is more than average finance isn't a hard major

>>42890
>No one likes their job, sometimes you have to do things you don't like. That's life.
Yes, you're right. But actually giving up things you want should free you and not imprison you. That's what's entirely wrong with the mentality of society and the nature of "real life jobs"

>>42893
doing cs but i've taken a good number of finance courses for god knows what reason

to be honest no major is really difficult most students are just useless. but let's just say finance seems to be exceptionally not-difficult.

>>42945
I agree, tell that to my classmates (mind you I'm not @ a top 10 school for finance) but still

>>42945
>to be honest no major is really difficult
CS or finance certainly aren't, but that's not true for all of them.

>>42890
>No one likes their job
speak for yourself you fuckin fag.

there are people that love their job. whether they are making shit money or a shitload of money

>all these Amerifats with $100k+ debt
>be britfag
>go to uni before fee raise, £3500 a year,
>get £5100 a year loans, half of which is free + £1000 a year because I'm poor.
>3 year, BSc Psychology, 96% female, 3% gay males, is technically science based because its British and research based though doesn't count as STEM,
>will graduate with £17k debt, only repayable once earning over £21,000 a year, and less than 10% of monthly earnings.

that said there are some people i've met with £200k + debt, but they're a minority and will probably never ever pay a penny back.

What happens to americans who have huge college debts and can't find jobs? does the government take all their shit and imprison them in forced labor camps?

>>43359
There are ways to discharge student loan debt, although they involve lawyers, and are not advertised very much. You basically have to sue that your degree is worthless for finding a related job and demonstrate severe impairment to repay (usually involving filing bankruptcy). Having a family with kids will help your sob story. Even then you may only get part of the loan discharged.

Otherwise if you default the government can and will garnish any wages you make and anyone who co-signed on your loans. They can also freeze your assets where it is illegal to buy or sell property. You can't hide as long as you live in the US. They won't imprison you, but they will make it very difficult to have any sort of life not involving homelessness, living off-the-grid , or criminal activities to support yourself.

>>41524
>being this new

I'd like to drop some facts for those hating on my philosophy major:

"We would note, however, that some humanities type majors actually do rather well; for example, the mid-career earnings of philosophy majors exceed those of business administration majors, and history majors do nearly as well."

University Enrollments and Labor-Market Realities

By Richard Vedder, Christopher Denhart, and Jonathan Robe

Center for College Affordability and Productivity

A bad choice when it comes to arts and graphic desing and you live in a shitty country where such subjects aren´t relevant at all, ( or underpriced) like colombia.

The best choice you could make in this aspect is to teach yourself when it comes to art skills and multimedia, then try to be as good as the last cocacola in the desert, make a protafolio, try to be popular in comunities like DeviantArt and Tumblr to get comisions ( depending on what do you want to do exactly)

Im telling you, studing Graphic Desing in college here in southamerica is a big mistake unless your parents are Narcos or you realy want that generic office job only a few can get through conections

>>30575
The pay difference over a lifetime is because less motivated people don't go to college and also don't make as much money. It's not that college makes people better off in any way, shape, and form, it's just that those destined to make more money in their life times anyway are more likely to worthlessly go to college.

>mfw dubs

>>33423
Consider Coast Guard?
I know they employ biologists to screen incoming ships for invasive invertebrates and the like.

>>32540
Are you retarded? CS majors make bank. I would know. 20k in the account and I haven't even finished school yet.

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