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>> No.329414

Remember to only create new threads AFTER the old one has reached its bump limit of 300 posts.

Exchange - Current Price 104 Satoshi:
https://coinedup.com/OrderBook?market=DOGE&base=BTC
https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/132
https://vircurex.com/welcome/index?alt=doge&base=btc
https://bter.com/trade/doge_btc
https://coinex.pw
https://www.swisscex.com/market
http://www.reddit.com/r/dogemarket

Buy DOGE with fiat:
http://vaultofsatoshi.com
https://www.kraken.com

Mining guide:
http://doges.org/index.php?topic=592.0
https://litecoin.info/Mining_hardware_comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AlhSF602y9DSdHRneWVZcjJLWmhjaVBMTHVCR3l4eHc
http://rumorscity.com/2013/12/09/how-to-modify-video-bios-to-undervolt-gpu-in-linux

Pools:
http://fast-pool.com
http://doge.poolerino.com
http://doge.netcodepool.org
http://ypool.net
http://shitpost.asia
https://suchcoins.com
http://hashdogs.org
http://bigcryptopool.com
http://doge.st

Useful sites:
Blockchain:
http://dogechain.info/address/address.goes.here

Free doge:
http://kentbrew.github.io/dogefaucets

Miscellaneous:
http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/cryptsy/dogebtc
http://dogemonitor.com
http://doge.yottabyte.nu
http://bluecoinstock.com/public/market/1
http://www.coinwarz.com/exchange-charts/dogecoin-exchange-rate-chart
http://www.dogetools.com/calc
http://cryptmarketcap.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogecoin
http://dogecoinpaperwallet.net
http://dogeprice.net
http://www.reddit.com/r/DogeNews
http://saydoge.com
http://flappydoge.net
http://www.dogebiz.net
http://www.dailydoge.org
http://daily-crypto.com

Want the DOGE coin to succeed? This is how you can help:

Ask btc-e to add DOGE to their exchange:
http://hdbtce.kayako.com

Donate to the original doge owner:
http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/1w7ouk

Join #do/g/ecoin at Rizon now.

>> No.329418

THIS POST IS ABOUT PANDACOIN (PND). WHAT IS PANDACOIN (PND)? IT'S AWESOME AND YOU SHOULD MINE IT NOW. (http://bamboohouse.info/index.php?page=gettingstarted))

UPDATE YOUR WALLET TO THE NEWEST VERSION(1.6.1):
http://thepandacoin.net

Bitcointalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=568529
Twitter: /PandacoinPND
Facebook: /Pandacoin.PND
Reddit: /r/PandacoinPND
IRC: #PandacoinPND on freenode.net
Weibo: http://weibo.com/pndcoin
Chinese QQ group: 255237866

Want to help Pandacoin (PND)?
Cryptsy voting: https://www.cryptsy.com/coinvotes
Send a mail for its inclusion on bter to: admin@mail.bter.com
Coinedup subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/CoinedUp/comments/1ylq9d
Coinwarz contact: http://www.coinwarz.com/contact <- Contact to list PND

Website: http://thepandacoin.net

Wallet:
Binaries: https://github.com/pandacoin-official/binaries
Source: https://github.com/pandacoin-official/pandacoin

Multipool:
http://multi.pandapool.info

Normal pools can be found in the bitcointalk thread.

Exchange:
https://www.mintpal.com/market/PND/LTC
https://www.swisscex.com
https://xnigma.com/markets/view/59
https://allcrypt.com

Charity: http://pnd4pnd.com

Faucets:
https://www.pandapool.info/index.php?page=faucet
http://bamboohouse.info/index.php?page=faucet
http://pandacoin.altcoinfaucet.net
http://1dash.net/faucet

Mining Guides:
https://litecoin.info/Mining_hardware_comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AlhSF602y9DSdHRneWVZcjJLWmhjaVBMTHVCR3l4eHc
http://rumorscity.com/2013/12/09/how-to-modify-video-bios-to-undervolt-gpu-in-linux

Mining Resources:
https://www.litecoinpool.org/minerconfig
http://bamboohouse.info/pandacoin.conf
http://pandachain.net

Miscellaneous:
http://1dash.net
https://pnd-dice.com
http://1dash.net
http://www.zazzle.com/pandacoin

IRC: #PandacoinPND@freenode (webchat.freenode.net)

Tipbot for 4chan:
http://tipbot.bamboohouse.info

>> No.329419

wew lad

>> No.329421

jew lad

>> No.329422
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329422

What's this all about?
I'm mining successfully but it's been over nine hours and I haven't gotten the payment so is there something wrong?

>> No.329423

>>329407
I'm getting that you sent 1.337. Is this right?
A minimum of 30.000 is required.
I'll add a line that stated how much has already been donated.

>> No.329424

>>329422
When in doubt - cryptsy.

>> No.329425
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329425

>>329419
Is this you amDoge?
Stop tipping me I already feel bad getting so much :3

>> No.329426

>>329423
>>329407
Don't send anything for now, tho. Let me fix a thing.

>> No.329427

>>329423
oh lmao, i'm american so i thought it was just 30

>> No.329428

>>329427
But don't send now, I think I'll change it

>> No.329438

>>329424
I'm not sure what you mean.

>> No.329439

Is there a way I can trade doge for NXT or ripple?

>> No.329441

>>329438
Cryptsy is prone to holding our funds hostage due to negative balances and whatnot. There's nothing the multipool can do about this happening other than waiting.

>> No.329442

>>329427
Ok I changed the rates. I hadn't thought this throught, and just set the first thig came to mind.
The donation treshold has been lowered to 10k (from 30k) for custom width, and 10k (from 29k) for each now dashboard.

I was thinking current exchange rated, not moon. We moon now.

You can send now, please let me know if there are still issues.

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329444

>>329412
That image inspired me to make this

>> No.329446

>>329444
Impressive.

>> No.329448

Why the hell was asia-scam-coin relisted?

>> No.329451

>>329446
All I ever wanted was your approval....and your tips.

>> No.329452

>>329448
The asiacoin community removed the blocks.

>> No.329456

>>329451
sent ;)

>> No.329458

>>329451
Sent ;)

>> No.329466
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329466

Threadly reminder to hold.

>> No.329467

why so stagnant?

>> No.329468

>>329467
Would you like it to crash instead?

>> No.329469

#Mining?

More like hashrate mining ;^)

>> No.329471

>>329442
Also, rates will be revised at major marks, 50 satoshi, 100 satoshi, 200 satoshi, 300 satoshi, moon.

Also, have some nice music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CgKzkriPQk

>> No.329476

>>329468
At least crashing provides for the opportunity to buy low.

>> No.329477
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329477

>>329476

>> No.329478

What do I need to make a pnd tipbot?

>> No.329483

>>329478
For which website?

>> No.329485

>>329468
>>329476

I concur.

>> No.329486

>>329483
Twitter

>> No.329488

>>329412
hey amDOGE is that your neck

>> No.329491

>>329486
I would assume that forking https://github.com/BitcoinMafia/twittercoin will do. Otherwise I don't know.

>>329488
No.

>> No.329497

test

>> No.329506

thank you :3

>> No.329513

does tampermonkey allow ads on your browser.

never got the before now

>> No.329514

>>329513
What do you mean?

>> No.329517

>>329514
Im getting a bunch of highlighted wording on the chans. When i hover over them, they are links to ads. But I have adblock on so i was wondering if tampermonkey could enable those kind of ads
?

>> No.329518

>>329517
That means you have malware installed which isn't related to tampermonkey.

>> No.329520

>>329518
shit

>> No.329524

>>329520
lol stop downloading HOTMILF .exe files.

>> No.329528
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329528

DAFUQ?

>> No.329531

>>329524
the only things ive downloaded are utorrent, a photoshop cs5 link, pnd wallet, and tampermonkey scripts.

must be the photoshop file

>> No.329532
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329532

>>329531
>utorrent

>> No.329535

>>329528
Fill the rocketship up with the spirit of the Pandacoin Nation. As we spoke to the gods above, they imbued us with the power of the Pandacoin. With the helicopters circling above, and the lions in Africa, nothing can stop the Ultimate Pandacoin.

>> No.329536

>>329532
what should i use instead?

>> No.329537
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329537

>>329536

>> No.329538

>>329536
deluge works fine.

>> No.329546

any tips on finding and and getting rid of malware?

>> No.329547

Is MintPal PND/LTC the market with the biggest liquidity?

>> No.329548

>>329546
Try MBAM.

>>329547
Yes.

>> No.329549

>>329546
You've made your bed.

>> No.329551

>>329549
asshole

>>329548
thanks

>> No.329555

>>329536
qbittorrent

>> No.329561

>>329551
Also, don't use any coin clients on your machine until you've cleaned it up because the malware might be the type that steals wallets and passwords. If you don't type your password, then I think you're safe.

>> No.329563

Any news on pndponzi?

>> No.329568

>>329536
Tixati is nice and light weight. No ads and shit.

>> No.329571

>>329412
amDOGE How fast can I mine Dogecoin, on average in any of these pools?
I have a Intel HD 4000 laptop integrated GPU
Supposedly produces 17 KH

>> No.329578

>>329571
>17 KH
Sounds about right. Not worth it if you ask me.

>> No.329582

>>329546
download bonzi buddy

>> No.329583

>>329571
With those specs, you are gonna be mining cents a day, if someone else pays your eletricity bill, it'd be barely worth the trouble.

>> No.329584

>>329568
>Tixati
Yeah, running from closed source to get more closed

qBittorrent, Deluge or Transmission are the only answers

>> No.329587

>>329578
>>329583

I remember there was a time where 17kh/s could get you ten-thousand daily.

>mfw didn't mine millions even though I could have

>> No.329588

>>329568
Tixati is everything but lightweight.

>>329587
;_;

>> No.329590

>>329587
You surely did not do the same to PND right?

>> No.329591

>>329590
I'm making up for it with PND

>> No.329593

>>329591
Good, spare some PND to a poor Panda?

>> No.329594

>>329563

they were back for about 20minutes and then the WHOLE SITE went suddenly 404.

maybe the provider kicked them for doing games involving coins

>> No.329595

>>329593
eh, why the hell not

>> No.329596

>>329595
Thank you kind Panda.

>> No.329598

>>329594
Fuck no, i profited so hard from not playing the game, if i played i could have profited even harder, hope they get back soon.

>> No.329599

>>329598
Apparently they've turned the limit from 1m to 1k.

>no more 500k gains

;_;

>> No.329600

>>329599
>tfw their buggy system won't sent me payouts for accident anymore
Suffering.

>> No.329612

>>329598
>>329599

PNDPonzi is run by a honest person, he's the one losing the money, not the users... :|
Kinda awkward situation in the crypto scene where everyone is trying to scam you.

>> No.329617

>>329612
Well, i'm aware of that he gave me 150% of what i sent and still refunded me, netting a 250% profit plus the stray 1 million he probably meant to send to another person, cool guy.

>> No.329630

>>329612
I actually believe the pndponzi dude is a cool guy and I really liked that site.

I found out about the pndponzi before the doge one and unfortunately I didn't inform myself about the doge ponzi site.

the dogeponzi site works different and that fucked me over.
the doge one works with rounds. so if you're one of the last ones in the round you will get NOTHING. lost 200k doges.

the PNDponzi doesn't have fucking rounds and just seemed to just run eternally but I guess the system were too buggy :s

a shame. the pnd one was probably the only really non-scammy ponzi site

>> No.329638

Have the Chinese traders noticed PND yet?

>> No.329639

>>329617

Pandacoin PND has Honesty as one of the key values, let's all share this valuable virtue so everyone can enjoy this ride

>> No.329640

>>329638
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484555

>> No.329645

>All these weaksauce buywalls at mintpal
Ehh...

>> No.329647

>>329640
>不是的,那个是Wolong抢先发行圈钱的熊猫币,套住了很多人

Translated
>No, that is the first issue of misappropriating Wolong's Panda coins,it caught a lot of people. PND is the original Panda coins to be issued.

>> No.329652

>>329647
He's right of course.

>> No.329655

Anyone else notice that shopdoge no longer carries silver and gold?

>> No.329656

What I'm liking about PND's rise, is that it's been steady. Unlike DOGE, which really did boom super fast (thanks in part to whales) and then slowly devalue.

>> No.329657
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329657

>being on dogechain.info

I have no idea what I'm doing

>> No.329660

>>329655
I haven't been on that site in about 10 years now. I hope they still deliver throw pillows.

>> No.329661

Seeing as PND's limited the PoW coins at 35 billion, does that mean it has the potential to be worth more or less than Doge in the long run? So, in the situation that PND had a similar takeup to Doge.

>> No.329663

>>329661
>35 billion
*32
It essentially means that each coin will be worth more but this obviously depends on the usage and acceptance.

>> No.329664

PND actually passed Auroracoin, oh how the mighty have fallen.

How many satoshis would one PND be worth say we hit an 8 mil market cap?

>> No.329665

>>329661
Yes. We've done it before.

>> No.329667

>>329664
~60

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329672

>>329664
>>329667
That means that 1mil PND would be worth around 262$

>mfw

>> No.329702

>>329661

if it's worth something, people will want it but the added features with PND will be attractive

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329706

Bye.

>> No.329709

>>329706
Sleep well.

>> No.329733

>>329672
looking forward it :^)

>>329706
sleep well amDOGE

>> No.329758

>>329656
>What I'm liking about PND's rise, is that it's been steady. Unlike DOGE, which really did boom super fast (thanks in part to whales) and then slowly devalue.

This exactly. In order for PND to be accepted and widely used as a unit of exchange, it would need to be less volatile.

>> No.329761

>>329758
Doge isn't volatile any more, it's just worth a lot less than most people paid for it.

>> No.329763

>>329761
Doge is stabler than Stablecoin™.
I liked daytrading DOGE.
>tfw spoilers dont work on /biz/

>> No.329765

So, there needs to be some sort of price correction. Either PND is currently massively undervalued - 4 satoshi - (frozen 32 billion coins vs DOGE's 72 billion so far), or DOGE is way overvalued - 104 satoshi.

>> No.329766

>>329763
So what coin is daytradeable nowadays?

>> No.329769

>>329765

Speaking purely from a speculative position, I think 400 satoshis is a realistic price expectation for PND.

1/3 the amount of coins of doge and POS leads me to this conclusion. What we need is to keep growing the community.

>> No.329775

>>329765
Just because something exist doesn't mean it is valuable or its value directly correlates with that of a comparable asset. This is the weirdest fallacy that the crypto community holds on to.

PND is a shitcoin with potential. DOGE is the great reddit hope. They're two totally different things and only one of them has any sort of userbase. Just because I compile a new crypto with 100 coins tomorrow and keep one for myself doesn't mean that I'm suddenly entitled to 1 percent of the value of every other crypto.

>> No.329776

>>329766
I have no idea.

>> No.329781

>>329769
> I think 400 satoshis is a realistic price expectation for PND.

The question is for how long. It won't take much time for other PoW coins to notice that PoW is dead and switch to PoS. At that point, I hope you're out of PND and back into BTC/LTC.

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329788

do you guys remember stablecoin

and how doge was supposed to fail crashing and burning

because

i was there, man

i was there

>> No.329794

>>329781
Personally, if PND achieves anything, I hope it's to show the DOGE devs to stop being a pack of retards.

>> No.329804

>>329788
fuck yeah I do, I even remember gaining 200% one night and next losing over 30% of my net crypto wealth to that master ruse, idk how bad you guys got burnt

>> No.329807

>>329788
That shit was so fun, I remember how we tried to save /pol/ but the fucking indian spammed us to death there, then he tried the same on /g/
Fun times

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329827

>>329807

one day i will cash out my 40k coins

and i will remember them as the restless nights with overheating nvidya which hid its real temp shit because my water cooling did cool the entire motherfucker, just the middle section.

and i will become a man richer by a whole few dollars.

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329882

>tfw all you want to be a whale
>tfw knew about PND from day 1 and decided to mine other coins like DOGE and scam coins
>tfw only 14 million coins now

>> No.329885

>>329882
Let's keep the BCT thread bumped to get PND more exposure:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=568529.1020

>> No.329898

I want to support pnd, and I have 1k used for this purpose. My goal is to have 100 mil pnd, should I buy pnd and hold, or buy the 5.2mh gridseed unit and point it at the multipool?

>> No.329927

>>329781

It'd be nice to have a quarter of a million dollars, but I don't think PND will get to a level where I'll even get 10% of that.

>> No.329937

>>329927
It could easily get to a quarter of that if only China was actually interested in it like the bullshit spinners of the development team have proclaimed. So far the only evidence presented to support that is a three page thread on bitcointalk. There's certainliy nothing to be found to support that in price support, as it's now selling for 155 litoshis.

I'm starting to grow afraid that the PND dev team is confusing merely using biztalk in press releases with having a viable coin.

>> No.329942

>>329937

Bitcointalk is not popular in China. Ever since our Chinese marketer joined:

http://weibo.com/pndcoin with 141 fans
Our chinese QQ group has 255 members, more than our IRC channel.

Many understandably are skeptical towards the notion of targeting China, due to their government's current stance towards cryptos. However we believe that this stance would only be one of temporary nature, and not one of permanence due to several factors.

Multiple economic indicators in China points towards an impending economic recession over there. Such examples: unsustainable 12% GDP growth for 10 years in a row and Chinese real estate bubble that is currently similar to what happened to the U.S in 2007. China is now in a similar economic situation as U.S in 2008, with potential fiat issues, and that leads to a large possibility of the Chinese Yuan (CNY) experiencing a decline in value in the imminent future.

Currently, as many over in China are in anticipation of declined economic growth and value of the Yuan dropping, those in the middle-upper to upper class there are looking for ways to safeguard their savings by transferring their wealth from fiat and property to other mediums. China is still heavily buying into Bitcoins despite their government's official stance on cryptos, as evidenced by fiatleak.com, as an attempt to fend off economic fluctuation that they may experience in the near distant future.

This is not unsubstantiated marketing "biztalk" by the dev team.

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329947

>>329937

Cont.

We have just started increasing our presence over in China, and would continue to do so.

We are not engaging with unsubstantiated "biztalk" at all, but rather serious about our approach towards China. It is one of our USPs (unique selling propositions) that we aim for to differentiate ourselves from all the other alt coins.

>> No.329972

Whale offloading, loss of interest, or Sunday slump?

>> No.329976

>>329972
Just a weak hand

>> No.329981

>>329947
Why not asiacoin though? Why is pnd better?

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329984

>>329882
>tfw only heard about PND earlier this week
>decide to try to catch the rocket
>just ordered $300 of more mining shit yesterday
>tfw i might not get it before PoS
>tfw only 1.5mil
I took the rocket in the ass.

>> No.329993
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329993

>>329981
Because Pandas.

>> No.329995

>>329981

-PND adopts a philosophy of simplifying cryptos to lower the current perceived barriers of entry to the world of crypto by the mainstream. Think Doge, but actually taking steps to redefine the space and become the gateway coin to crypto for many 'newbies' and 'joesixpacks' out there.

-The above ties in to the above, with PND's inherent symbolism of the Panda which targets the mainstream public. We want to be the gateway crypto for those in China AND across other population segments online and offline

-Unique philosophy and origins of the coin since PND was created to destroy a scam coin. Thus far we have continued the anti-scam approach and compensated Asiacoin bagholders since they got scammed by their devs. Expect similar initiative in the future.

-Only POS in the alt coin space when we transition to it that had a length 3 month POW distribution phase. This stands out amongst the recent trend of really short POW distribution phase of around 1 week or even less.

-Coin cap in the double digit billions that reflect the high population of SE Asia, which contains roughly half of the world's population.

>> No.329999

>>329984

Should have spent that money on coins rather than mining equipment that'll never pay itself off.

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330000

>>328673
So how is the multipool going to work after PoS?

>>329999
I like to fuck with overclocking and such. It's a fun hobby and any profit is an extra bonus. Plus I can use it to mine other stuff if PND shits its pants where $300 in PND becomes useless.

>> No.330002

>>329981
Im so tired of that scamcoin.

People will end up bagholders like all the rest.

>> No.330003

>>330000
>So how is the multipool going to work after PoS?

Why would POS affect the multipool, it will just not be able to mine PND, but will continue to mine altcoins in the same way

Nice GET

>> No.330005

friendly reminder to register in https://www.cryptsy.com/ and vote for PND there

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330007

>>330003
>Why would POS affect the multipool
How are they going to fund the payouts? I doubt 2.5% interest annually is enough to fund a year's worth of mining even if they do have a metric fuck ton of PND stockpiled.

>Nice GET
>mfw nobody has GETs tipping enabled

>> No.330012

>>330007
>How are they going to fund the payouts?

with PND?

>> No.330018

>>330012
>we exchange all coins for DOGE and PND
Shit this is the first time I actually paid attention. I'm a faggot.

>> No.330019

>>330018

what else did you think the multipool was for?

>> No.330021
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>>330019
No fucking clue.

>> No.330022

Wait, so the multipools will mine other coins and buy PND?

Meaning, PND will become more in demand, making it worth more (as the supply is limited, interest aside).

Genius idea.

>> No.330023

>>330022
That was the very idea of the multipool.
Combined with the decrease in block reward, and the multipool, it was meant to drive the price up and thus increase interest in the coin.
Seems like it worked

>> No.330026

>>330022

Shh, stay very quiet, anon! Don't let them in on our ruse!

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>>330026
It's OK Kikenstein. I'm on your side this time.

>> No.330041

>>329898
Good question, long term the multipool may actually prove better but it's hard to say with a scrypt ASIC.

>> No.330061

whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyYYYYYYYYYYYYY are there so many fags desperate to dump???? WWWWWWWWWHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY would anyone dump as soon as it starts taking off? before PoS? how desperate are you fags? you can't wait a few weeks for massively more money? fuck

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>>330061
they readily go for what is certain now, vs an uncertain future.
at least, in their myopic view.

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>>330061
or maybe they are fulfilling a hard set goal they erected.
they stringently follow their rules for certain reward vs possibly risky gains.
although it would seem to me the likelihood of further increased value is high.

>> No.330067

>>330062
>>330063
but if they stopped dumping, the price would certainly go higher. the demand is obvious, the volume is there, the only thing stopping them from making more money, is their sell walls.
coins only really turn to shit when the community gives up, or a scam is unveiled. there's no scam here, and this community practically is /biz/, so i don't see that going anywhere either. i say pnd certainly has a future, otherwise /biz/ is kil, and setting targets in stone is crazy. after the past week and all the new changes coming, who the hell knows how high pnd will go.
i dunno. just seems silly cashing out the instant the price starts reflecting the effort being put in.

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donate to a poor gentooman, guys
i could harly mine anything with my 25KH/s, even when PND was worth nothing and the hashrate was < 1
here hava a drawing i made in class in exchange

>> No.330072 [DELETED] 

>>329702
There's already 1#.
If you promote it, your PND will rise in value.

>> No.330073

>>329984
Investing directly would have been better option in the short term.
But don't worry my friend, there will be the multipool, with scrypt, scryptN AND X11.
But if you have any spare change, better buy now.

>> No.330075

So the 1# guy got banned for "advertising" lol

It's a shame, since it's the first PND service so far, and pretty fucking promising at that.

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lol tell me you finally managed to install POS on that coin

>> No.330078

>>330077
It's implemented but not live yet, it's going to happen in a couple days

>> No.330079

>>330078
lol great

>> No.330082

>>330078
Not exactly a couple.
It will happen on may 21.

The PoS wallet has been done for more than a week, but the devs are doing some serious testing to be sure everything works fine. Also, I think they wanted to give adequate time for switching, and switch at a nice round number.
It's all in the bct thread, really.

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reminder to hold

>> No.330086

>>330084
i am holding over 25million of this shit i already forgot about it just to see that it just increased 5times its value from when i was looking last time when it was almost dead

well, good work devs, i suppose

>> No.330089

>>330086
>well, good work devs, i suppose
>i suppose
>suppose

>> No.330093

>>330084
why? why would holders care? because there's a temporary price dip or because we're saddened that people don't believe as much a we do?

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>>330093
pretty much
pnd could use more even distribution at ~150 level so i dont mind big holders dumping

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330119

>PND: kids lego coin
>MONA: professional moe exchange system

>> No.330120

Help me based /biz/
When using cuda miner I get no devices detected! Waiting for USB hotplug
Using r9 290

>> No.330121

>>330119
Please create your own thread if you need to advertise mona.

>> No.330123

>>330120
You are supposed to use sgminer, not cudaminer.

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don't you think it' kinda ridiculous how dogecoin is stagnating as fuck around 100 or even falling EVEN THOUGH they do fuckloads of public work to spread the word?
lots of people trade with doge, way more than a lot of other known coins and still, they can't get their asses up.

it really seems like palmer's 1doge = 1doge meme works perfectly for him.

I wonder how long it will take until most shibes are too frustrated about these devs and the stale doge

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>>330119

bland advertisement

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>>330119
even in the face of extreme adversity one must always portray the image of success.
so some say.
sure i would like mona to succeed. i even mined a little bit.
until some guy convinced me to let the japanese mine most of it for their own sake.
i would like to buy many japanese waifu with it, if i could.

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>>330131

I was that guy
soon all mona will be in our hands
j/k soon you'll able to buy your dystopic waifu resembling miku with quantum ai, yes gaijin, yesssss

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>>330137
you might want to open your own thread if you want to advertise your coin

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>>330138

nice try, we all know /biz/ is not big enough for a monacoin thread, and out of compassion i need to let you create your own and use it as mine, just a bit.

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>>330119
laughingwhores.webm

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>>330146

''Who with the marketcap laugh, with the marketcap will be laugh at.''

>>330125

doge is not even worth criticizing anymore, just let it go...

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330156

Now's a perfect time to swap Asiacoin for PND/DOGE. If only the network would give me some damn confirmations.

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>>330151
Come on nekomata, you can't even form sentences never mind shill your coin.

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>>330151

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>>330158
>>330157

>> No.330160

>>330159
;)

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i'll be back.

>> No.330168

>>330137
so it was a ploy to get gaijin away from mona?
or are you japanese?
or are you an asshole?

>> No.330169

>>330168

no, it was real, japan had not much mining capabilities back them and they threatened abandon monacoin (can you imagine)
i stopped mining at the time too

>> No.330170

>>330125
what if there is no more doge left to mine and dump by other coins multipools?
why would i pay them more for doge?
why would i ever want to sell doge?
>>330162
1fuck off
2you have nothing to add to this thread
if you have something new to say about mona then please do so, otherwise :go 1

>> No.330171

>i go to /r/dogecoin

>it's filled with cancer

;_;

This is what happens when you let your coin go mainstream.

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>dogevault offline
>MILLIONS OF DOGE STOLEN
>one dude reported he saw over 900k doges being withdrawn from his online wallet at dogevault

WHY

WHY IN THE FUCK DO PEOPLE STILL USE ONLINE WALLETS

ALSO, WHY DO THEY USE IT FOR FUCK HUGE AMOUNTS

>> No.330174

>>330172
Because it's "easy" and "convenient" (to lose your stack).

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>>330170

>> No.330176

>>330174

do you know any bitcoin wallet for android thats not based online?

or is the coinbase wallet safe?

>> No.330177

my PND wallet stopped updating blocks at block 123016... should i add some nodes to my conf file or what? thx

>> No.330178

>>330176
>do you know any bitcoin wallet for android thats not based online?
The one from schildbach.
>or is the coinbase wallet safe?
No.

>> No.330179

>>330177
Are you on windows? If so which version are you running?

>> No.330180

>>330179
loonix, i'm running the daemon i donwloaded something like a week ago...

>> No.330181

>>330177
>>330178
>The one from schildbach.

thanks not sure how i ended up with coinbase wallet anyway

good thing i dont have more than $2 worth of it as of now anyway

>> No.330183

>tfw 10 million PND
A-am I gonna make it, biz?

>> No.330184

>>330180
With what version of boost has it been compiled?

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what pisses me off the most is that the owner of kabosu got introduced into dogecoin using online wallets and if I remember right, it was dogevault.

so that means she probably lost coins too.

why couldn't they introduce her the right way. with a normal desktop wallet and stuff.

why are the japanese so bad with computers even though they have gundams and shit.

>> No.330187

>>330185
What do you expect from people who evolved from squid and cuttlefish?

>> No.330188

>>330183
>10m

depends where your personal moon lies

>> No.330189

>>330184
don't know, but it's true i updated my rig several days ago. should i recompile and see what that gives? just funny it should stop updating blocks now...

>> No.330190

>>330187
is that why they also have squid porn?

>> No.330191

>>330188
10k would be noice.

>> No.330193

>>330189
Try a recompile then.

>> No.330195

>>330191
could be possible but never, ever expect to get much dosh out of cryptos. just enjoy the ride and be happy about every little gain.

at least your expectation is more reasonable than 1doge = 1dollar (which will never happen, especially not with palmer)

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>>330190
Yes. Don't you see now?

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>>330175

>> No.330198

>>330197
kinda sad.
that's actually a woman where you can actually SEE that she'd look really good without all these excessive fat flaps.

>> No.330199

>>330193
2014-05-12 11:57:04 0 addresses found from DNS seeds
2014-05-12 11:57:04 dnsseed thread exit

>> No.330200

>>330199
http://bamboohouse.info/pandacoin.conf

>> No.330201

>>330198
just like mona without that monashill

>> No.330202

>>330200
thought that was no longer necessary, but thanks, amdoge.

>> No.330203

>>330202
It's not necessary when you have a dns seed active. Ours seems to be down at the moment.

>> No.330204

>>330201
kind of. but then mona would look like a non-obese woman that does look really average while having no talents

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>>330190
Further evidence

>> No.330210

amDOGE why are you spying on us.

>> No.330211

>>330210
Because your exchange seems fishy.

PSA: Be careful with anything icurrex.

>> No.330212

>>330211

Its not mine and isn't fishy
you don't want start this war

>> No.330213

>>330212
If it's not fishy then good. I'm just giving my view.

>> No.330215

remember the whales are out to play~

the only winning move is to hold

>> No.330216

http://cryptofrenzy.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/god.pdf
maaaan, wolololong has issues

>> No.330219

>>330216
He is (or was?) a very clever/intelligent person.
He was so good at scamming that he got so many people to jump in the PANDA boat, because they thought they would profit off his scams.
lol.

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>>330169
>i stopped mining at the time too

>> No.330240

>>330198
>Excessive flat flaps

You're implying that any amount is acceptable

>> No.330248

>>330216
quite an interesting read. i remember all the events he talks about. *i was there*. i used to spy on their irc channel and even asked wolong a couple of questions. i was amazed how dedicated he was to answering all the questions all those trading noobs were asking him. he wasn't the genius people believed him to be but he introduced a lot of anons here to trading and market manipulation and, even though it was basic stuff, to them (most of them uneducated proles and making money for the first time) it was wizardry. i never quite understood the hate he inspired here, he was just a gigantic troll after all and the people he tried to rip were those stupid enough to be ripped off.

>> No.330256

>>330215
The problem is the whales aren't out to play. It's only because everyone is holding that we're not down to like 70, but otherwise fuckall is happening

>> No.330260

>>330256
The market isn't only the wales' pray.
We got a great boost out of the AC relief campaign.
We need more of THAT.

amDOGE and the team are working hard at all of this. But you can do too.

>> No.330262

Friendly reminder to leave a nice post at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=568529..

>> No.330265

>>330260

>We got a great boost out of the AC relief campaign.

Apparently shibes got goxed with Dogevault (still unclear situation ).
That could be a possible entry point.

>> No.330266

>>330248
I think we more or less okay with him until he lost big and decided he wanted to start playing with other people's money.

>> No.330272

>>330123
Okay, now I'm only getting 290 kh/s, anyone got any tips?
Card is the r9 290, also failed to mention I have two in a crossfire at the moment

>> No.330273

>>330265
Is it a large number of Shibes? And is there a way to proof that they got goxed?

If not the entire coin community got scammed, it's a dangerous move. Most shibes are crazily defensive against other coins and see everyone else as a competitor.

>> No.330274

>>330260
all we need is time really, price is rising way too fast
could some kind whale dump 100M or 2?

>> No.330275

>>330265

time to strike~?

>> No.330278

>>330274
200M would bring us down to like 1 satoshi

>> No.330283

>>330272
Crossfire is detrimental to mining. You need to remove crossfire to mine.

>> No.330286

>>330272
https://litecoin.info/Mining_hardware_comparison

>>330273
It's not confirmed yet.

>>330283
I found that having crossfire won't matter.

>> No.330288

>>330260
I wasn't specifically saying that we need scam-relief campaigns.
But initiatives that show that there is a great comunity, that build respect toward the coin. AC holder, even tho they fixed their coin, hold us in high regards now, defend PND even.
But we'd need to get creative about it.

>> No.330289

>>330278
*sets buy order at 1 satoshi*

>> No.330290

>>330273
>>330275

I just read

>>330171
>>330172

and went to reddit / dogevault
There's still a lot of FUD, and the lack of communication of dv doesn't feel good.

And agree, some shibe could just dump PND to get their doges back, that would hurt us right now.
Keep your eyes open and keep your coins in a safe place. Backup your wallets, encrypt with password.

>> No.330295

>>330288
Yes it was a very successful campaign on many levels.

We'll be keeping our eye out for any more communities that get scammed and will be providing the same support as we did for Asiacoin bagholders.

>> No.330312

>>330290
This is PNDOGE thread, nontheless.

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>>330314

>> No.330318

>>330156
>Swap Asiacoin for PND/DOGE
Where?

>> No.330319

>>330318
>>329323
>>329330

>> No.330320

>>330318
Are you living under a rock?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=568529

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>>330288
>But we'd need to get creative about it.

> generate some paper wallet
> print paper wallet on the front
> instruction in chinese on how to use on the back
> keep track of the public / private key, so you can take back unredeemed funds
> give to chinese people in shops / restaurants (they are more likely to have money to invest)
> come back a couple days later and see if they have anything to ask you

Might work ?
This is a template for the old paper wallet, if anyone wants to fix it

>> No.330333

>>330324
As long as you're not this guy: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1qs62r/i_just_got_banned_from_my_favorite_restaurant_for/

>> No.330344

Thanks for helping, amDOGE :)

>> No.330345

>>330333

lel. It was funny reading the comments too...
Maybe you should chit-chat with them first and ask if they know about magic internet money, not just dropping it like an adverstisement flyer.

>> No.330350

>>330333
Great example of the state of restaurants in 'murica.

>> No.330352

Official Pandacoin (PND) Development Team Vision Statement for any Chinese lurking anons -

Simplified Chinese translation: http://thepandacoin.org/vision_cn.pdf

Traditional Chinese translation: http://thepandacoin.org/vision_hk_tw.pdf

For those missed the English version:
http://thepandacoin.org/vision.pdf

>> No.330354

>>330333
Someone should try this with pandacoins. They might accept it because Chinese love pandas.

>> No.330355

>>330354
They might accept it if you're not a compulsive dick about it.

>> No.330361

>>330355
I don't understand how he was a dick about it.

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>>330362

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>>330364

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>>330366

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>>330367

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>>330368

>> No.330370

>>330361
>be a waiter
>have a regular client
>one day he leaves a paper sheet instead of the tip
>man give my my tip, not some paper sheet
>he proceeds to borderline physical assault

That's when it escalates.

>> No.330372

>>330361
People like their money, hand them something that doesn't look like their beloved currency and they flip shit.

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>>330369

>> No.330376

>>330370
>give me my tip, not some paper sheet
>Demanding tips
shiggy diggy doo

>> No.330378

PND is total falling ;__;

>> No.330380

>>330354

the target is make them interested in that, not being forced to redeem those funds.

One mistake of the restarant guy in the article was claiming that the piece of paper was worth "100$ now and possibly 100x times more in the future". No sane person would do that (or at least expect that somebody would trust him).

>>330361
he was a dick because he expected the waitress to jump and rejoice when she saw a printed piece of paper with some magical huge barcode that is supposedly worth 100$ when you spend on the internet, instead of leaving usual tip AND a btc tip with a proper explanation of what that is.

>> No.330381

>>330378
>please fill my buy order

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>> No.330385

>>330380
But the paper wallet I give will have instructions in chinese. It will also have the PND logo clearly showing pandas are involved.

>> No.330387

>>330385
Like every successful promotion campaign, the devil is in the details ;)

Are you in china?

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>tfw you didn't restart your computer in several days and you still have a site open in one of your tabs that actually does not exist anymore

when I close the tab now, it is even gone on my computer ;_;

>> No.330391

>>330387
No no, I would just use google translate. I don't think China has chinese restaurants. They're just restaurants over there.

>> No.330393

>>330390
Joori is fixing the website i think

>> No.330394

>>330380
he was just trying to spread the word
maybe he looks like a crazy person
-10 to charisma

>> No.330395

>>330385

Istructions should contain a link to an exchange also.
Panda involvement as an animal does not guarantee success (but it might help).
Amount loaded in the wallet should not be greater than 1 $. Purpose is just make them curious about it, not giving it out claiming it's a free tickets to moon.

>> No.330396

>>330380

So, besides having to pay for the food you have to leave tips or you are banned for life in Americans restaurants?

>> No.330397

>>330393
I hope so.
also, I hope he does not introduce the fucking round based system like the dogeponzi.
dogeponz is pretty much unusable because of it.

>> No.330398

>>330396
You are if you assault the waiters.

>> No.330399

>>330391
>the devil is in the details
>I would just use google translate

hmmmm...

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>>330396
serfs are scared of everything they dont know about

>> No.330403

>>330396

never been to 'murica, but I heard that tipping for a service is as needed as paying the regular bill.
So if you tip with tomething that it's not domesitc currency, it's like you didn't pay for the service.

>> No.330405

>>330396
>>330403
It's a pretty moronic system but specific jobs can be paid less than minimal wage if they can receive tips, so waiters for instance depend on tips just to reach minimum wage. It's still not forced anywhere, you're just considered a dick if you don't tip enough.
In this instance if he was a regular and always tipped properly, that alone really shouldn't have upset anyone.

>> No.330413

https://www.tradingview.com/v/5wU7gMRF/

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>You can now buy Public Transport tickets for Dogecoin in Stockholm, Sweden.

>> No.330419

>>330414
[citation needed]

>> No.330420

>>330419
http://www.dogecard.sl/

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>>330420
rip

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>>330422

>> No.330433

Hope you guys sold your PND when you could!

>> No.330435

>>330433
>not holding

>> No.330437

>>330433
>please fill my buy order

>> No.330438

>>330437

What are you even trying to say? Could you try again without shitposting?

>> No.330439

>>330438
Uh, oh.

>> No.330445

why is every coin goin down today ? some really bad news i missed ?

>> No.330446

whats happening?

why are figs selling?

>> No.330449

>>330445
shakedowns all over the place, just dont watch charts today if you dont have more ltc to invest
im wondering how low will pnd go today maybe ill set some buy orders around 100

>> No.330451

How many people in this thread are currently shorting PRAN?

>> No.330460

>>330438
Wolong pls

>> No.330483

>>330438
This faggot shitposts all day and if he doesn"t know how to respond to a good argument he will post the same shit that he already posted, even though it makes absolutely no sense. Also blatantly lies about facts to try to get people on the PND wagon and tries to defend against reasonable criticism with retarded "arguments".

>> No.330486

Wonder if we´re going back to 90 litoshi, if we do u can bet ur ass I am stocking up in anticipation of POS

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>>330483
>lies about facts

>> No.330488

>>330486
Looks like we are, at this point it looks like whales are pushing it down, the BTC market just had 3BTC worth sold at 3

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What's the point of making it so obvious that you're trying to manipulate the price

>> No.330497

New exchange to start trading PND soon...

>>330487

i lol'd

>> No.330498

>>330497
Which?

>> No.330501

>>330497

unless its cryptsy it doesnt matter

>> No.330503

>>330488

btc market is killing the trading... because of arbitrage btc > pnd > ltc we're stuck at multiples of 42 ( 84-126-168-210 etc) on ltc market, and there's not much volume to move the btc market.
oh vey...

>> No.330513

bought in at 151 ffs

>> No.330514

>>330513
So what, it's not like it's never ever going to go above it.

>> No.330521

>>330513
all in? buy more

>> No.330523

This correction was bound to happen.
Will probably go back to 80-100 and be stable until next rise.

>> No.330524

Just a lil shakedown, consolidation, and it ll start climbing again. If u don't buy now, don't bitch about no entry point later.

>> No.330525

someone should post in the AsiaCoin thread congratulating the devs for fixing the premine block and and then wish them luck with adoption.

It will come off genuine.

>> No.330528

>>330513

in 9 days you will be glad that you did

>> No.330530

>>330525
Might be a good idea.

>> No.330538

>>330530

might come off as shilling too?

maybe we should congratulate in the bct PND thread itself to all the asiacoin holders and tell them to keep their asiacoins safe?

>> No.330546

Is it a good idea to buy some more PND now?
I'd already bought in at 10 sat like an idiot.

>> No.330549

>>330538
why would we shill our own coin in our own thread?

I do suppose it wouldnt hurt to do so, though

>> No.330552

>>330548
>>330548
>>330548
>>330548
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>> No.330555

>>330546
>already bought in at 10 sat
I guess its better to play it low now. You wouldnt able to keep your sanity once pnd falls back to 30 litoshi or lower

>> No.330556

>>330546
yeah , i think its a good idea to buy PND now cause we believe the price is gonna go up in 9 days

you probably could recoup your 10 sat buy in by then

>> No.330562

>>330549
>why would we shill our own coin in our own thread?

so that we dont come off as shills in other coins thread

i am not sure if a dev of a coin shilling in another coin would be proper etiquette in bct

>> No.330569

>>330562
we already are in their thread with free pnd for scamcoin holders
but now that they recovered, why not congratulate them?

>> No.330571

>>330569
>we already are in their thread with free pnd for scamcoin holders

i guess

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