/biz/ - Business & Finance

How does it feel to literally be the benchmark on which people calibrate their faggotry detectors

>>317364
Do you botnet or just make money the legal way?

>>317373
feelsgoodman.png

how's being poor treating you?

>>317378
legal

>>317379
so what's your revenue, and how do you advertize your services in the first place?

>>317379
>if you aren't a glorified scammer you must be poor
I suppose your attitude matches your job, then.

>>317380
High 5 figs a month (50% goes to downstream partners, the other 50% is split between me and my team). If you're asking how installs are produced, there's a bunch of ways but typically our downstream partners use media buys and co-registration paths.

Have you ever installed VLC or some other freeware and been asked to install the ask toolbar? Same sort of thing.

>>317381
>muh ethics
Nothing we do is forced upon the user. Installation requires user consent and agreement to our TOS. Without ad supported software, the internet would cease to function.

>>317385
>Without ad supported software, the internet would cease to function.
And home VCRs will kill the movie industry.

>>317379

Is that per week or per month?

>>317385
so you make like what 5-10k a month?
that's cool

>>317386
He's kind of right, we don't need cancer adware, but things like Youtube, Google, etc.. are free because of ads.

>>317393
>but things like Youtube, Google, etc.. are free because of ads.
No, Google is free because it sells your personal information to everyone and their dog, among other things. Ad revenue is only a small part of their business.

>>317388
What?

>>317391
More like 20

>>317393
To be fair, our stuff provides a function that users like and use. Netflix used to be promoted via affiliate networks before they got super popular. The world isn't black and white.

>>317397
oh nice, so how do get started in the business? what's the path?

>>317395
>No, Google is free because it sells your personal information to everyone and their dog, among other things. Ad revenue is only a small part of their business.

Are you retarded? All this information is in their financial statements.

90% of their revenue comes from their advertising business.

Selling your information is nothing, using your information to market things to you is much more effective. Information is a commodity, making use of that information is where the money is.

>>317395
Ad revenue is a huge part of their business. You're clearly misinformed or retarded.

>>317398
I started by using linkedin and various forums to land some gigs at internet firms to do SEO and manage ad creatives. Eventually I learned about PageRage's legal bouts with facebook and decided to see if I could break into the PPI industry. It took about 18 months and countless failures to break through.

>>317405
nice, good job, and what's was your field of expertize before that?

>>317410
I'm relatively young so online marketing is really my only field of expertise. I went to college for marketing and design before figuring out my major could be outsourced to india for $6/hr, and dropping out to pursue this stuff.

>>317411
And what about your team, how big is it, what do they do? Are you their manager?

>>317419
I have a partner (the developer), Me (biz dev/monetization), and an assistant.

Building everything out was incredibly time consuming and stressful. We boostrapped the entire thing ourselves and 95% of the dev work was on my partner's shoulders (i can't code for shit).

We tried a few times to bring new people in but we'd just end up getting fucked over or wasting time.

In retrospect I'm glad we were able to do things our way because it worked out in the end.

>>317426
well sounds like your team is solid, and what's the competition like?

>>317364
Do you know of any other jobs in e-marketing and how hard do you think they are to get into?

>>317430
Competition for my niche is very sparse. It's a hard thing to break into and the internet is obviously gigantic with literally millions of niches to fill. Chrome recently banned ad injecting extensions in the Play store which made a lot of our direct competition leave this space entirely. Fortunately, it didn't have any effect on our operation.

>>317434
There are literally thousands of ways to make money online. My reccomendation would be affiliate marketing via media buys. It takes some start up capital but the results are direct. What's your skillset?

>>317443
yeah I see, sounds like good business

mfw my thread is kill.

>>317443

So let me just get this straight. You just sign up as an affiliate marketer and then buy up ad space to place your affiliate's ads?

>>317812
Yeah. Here's an example campaign that I'd recommend:

Go sign up for clickbank as an affiliate or publisher.
Find a good paying offer for a PUA class.
Create a few banners that you think neckbeards on /r9k/ or /a/ would click.
Use some anime girl and emotion invoking ad copy like "I can show you how to get laid."

Pay $100 or whatever to place banner on boards with the most neckbeards https://www.4chan.org/advertise?selfserve

???????

Profit.
I'm not even joking. I bet that campaign would turn a quick profit. Rinse and repeat. There are tons of courses you can pirate that teach you how to execute media buys. You can find offers to promote on offervault.com.

>>317821
As a gentlem/a/n I feel highly insulted at your comment saying I would click a banner (or even see one) saying that I need help getting laid.

3DPD females are way too time and money consuming and every minute I spend with one is one minute less of anime I watch, similarly every dollar I spent on one is a dollar less spent on my overpriced plastic girls.

tl;dr: fuck you, sincerely someone from /a/

>>317835

4chan is a big site, with plenty of stupid people

also if you block the ad, it doesn't matter because you're buying impressions

all that being said, I feel like most people on here know PUA is largely bullshit, but it could still be worth a try. You never know. /r9k/ is a pretty sad place

>>317835
o-okay senpai.

Point is to pick a good product and buy media on sites your target demographic frequents.

>>317850
Yeah it was just an example.
Promote a fitness product on /fit/ or a gun site on /k/.
Weight loss products on recipe sites. Dating offers on porn sites... etc etc.

It's all about taking the plunge, understanding you'll likely lose money before turning a profit. Once you profit, continue the campaign and set up others. Rinse/Repeat and $1k/day isn't out of reach at all.

>>317861
So basically just target people's insecurities by demographic and buy adspace on sites populated by that demographic?

>>317883
There's a lot of nuances we could talk about, but yes that's the gist of combining affiliate marketing with media buys.

>>317886
I've always had a mild interest in affiliate marketing, and even tried it out using google adsense. But of course it was a half-assed attempt, and if it was that easy, everyone would be doing it. Any suggestions for someone looking to get into it?

>>317892
Sign up for clickbank and peruse through their offers. If you don't want to promote a virtual product, you can promote various other CPA (cost per action) offers. To find these, head to offervault.com and browse through their offers.

Join a bunch of CPA networks. They're listed on offervault.

After picking an offer or two in your desired vertical, sign up for an advertising account on sitescout.com. They require you load the account with a minimum of $500. Hopefully you can scrape that together.

Create some banners or find ones you like and rip them off. Start buying media and placing banners on sites you think will work with the offers you've chosen. Watch your CTR (Click through ratio) and conversions closely to gauge profit or loss. Keep everything in a spreadsheet.

Split test lots of banner creatives to figure out which perform best. Sometimes the best performing banner will suprise you.

Don't be afraid to lose $20 here and $50 there. With enough testing, you'll find a campaign that turns a profit. Rinse and repeat until you've got a substantial income with minimum work.

Good luck anon.

PS search and pirate legitimate courses on media buying. I'm just giving you a rough guide on getting started. Remember to appeal to your demographic's emotion. Look into learning to write good sales copy. Maybe learn photoshop so you can create your own banners quickly and effectively.

>>317922
Thanks a ton! Start-up money is no issue to me, I have a decent day-job that I want to get out of, and I've been saving up some capital while looking for opportunities elsewhere.

>>317364

clow?

>>318051
negative.

>>317379
Do you think you would make more money if you used grey/black-hat tactics?

>>318074
Absolutely but the risk is too great while living in the states.

>>318075

20k a month from adware? lollllll. cmon that's weak. plenty of people doing 500k+ a month fuckin noob step yo game up

>>318082
i know. working on it. had some upsets in 2013 that nuked the majority of our install base. also unwilling to get dark cause I live in the states. Everything's gotta be compliant.

>>318096

nuked as in google blocking extensions outside of chrome web store?

i always want to get into this, i've got the programming skills, but it makes me feel so slimy

>>318098
nah we anticipated that. our original set up didn't have a back up IP to call to. it went down and 95% of our install base went with it.

>>317922
CPA/download stuff always seems to be in the "questionable legality" category
Every site has a "no pirated stuff" rule but then 99% of the stuff is pirated anyway
Who are they kidding

>>318105
CPA != PPI/PPD (download stuff) but yeah the download stuff is always a struggle to stay compliant. most PPI companies mitigate risk by passing it onto their downstream partners and affiliates

I used to mess with PPI awhile ago when a group of people I know were messing around with their own adware

Used a russian exploit that could install on page load that worked amazing until the dev for that stopped supporting it and the exploit was no longer fud.

What kind of numbers do you guys have in terms of installs?

>>318107
I always assumed CPA basically meant movie/TV show/crack websites

>>318108
currently sitting on roughly 500k INTL but we're not willing to fuck with sploits cause reasons.

>>318109
CPA = "Cost Per Action". It's basically surveys, data collection, lead funnels, content locking, etc.

CPA offers cover a very broad range of verticals.

You're thinking of "warez"

>>318113
gfdg yeah I meant CPA means content locking which means movie/TV show/cracks
I haven't seen content lockers on anything else, except maybe a couple video game developers

>>318110
Makes sense.

I'm able to flash stuff with fake referrer if you are interested. Only useful if you can detect urls people are on though

>>318115
That's up to the discretion of the affiliate. Content lockers are put on "premium" content cause no one wants to fill out a survey for anything less. Usually content lockers are populated with "incentive allowed" bottom of the barrel type cpa offers.

You can bypass most of them by right clicking pieces of them -> inspect element -> delete, until all the intrusive divs are gone from your browser instance.

>>318118
send me an email

>>318119
that only works with shit CPAs though
one of my favorite internet marketing maymays is the "___ UNLOCKER/DOWNLOADER" which is locked by another content locker

>>318122
also im tired and i call content lockers CPAs

>>318123
Fair enough but they're just one aspect of CPA marketing. People like Ryan Eagle made crazy dosh with content locking back in like 2009.

>>318120
sent

Thank you for making this thread.

I currently have a good job but have been looking into writing a review blog as a hobby / part time thing in a somewhat narrow vertical that I have some expertise in from my day job... make money through referrals to Amazon etc. for products I review. Does this make sense to you as a plan? How would I promote this? Another option I've considered is to make and sell an info product with my recommendations in it.

>>318128
what do you think of the bhw forums
the culture of hiding knowledge pisses me off but at the same time i see why it's necessary
also i'm surprised there's really no good general-purpose automation tools; ubotstudio, zenno, imacros et al are ok but nowhere near as good as it could get

>>318131
It sounds like the same plan everyone else comes up with. If you really want to pursue the something like this, you're going to have to put some serious effort into it to net any returns. Do your best to learn about SEO and Social Media marketing. Make sure to not forget about Pinterest. That site drives mad referral traffic.

>>318134
I think they were a LOT better back in like 2009. This was when Diamond Dave was still Alive and Harro had super admin. Now it's a bunch of fluff and e-peen swinging. I'm an established member there. Haven't posted much over the last couple years though. There's some real gold if you're willing to dig. Let me get you started. This link is the "Making Money" section sorted by rating. Go through all the 4 and 5 star threads and take notes. http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/f12-making-money/?pp=35&daysprune=-1&sort=voteavg&order=desc

>>318138
pinterest still is a thing? i thought they must have shut down spamming by now

>>318138
Cool thanks

>>318138
Do you have any useful resources for getting into IM? I've tried a couple times, but I never had the will to continue until I had success. I've been following two guys that moved to Indonesia that are making good money with web design and PPC affiliates (Google: Startup Take off), and PPC sounded promising.

Useful resource tax:
http://zurb.com/university/library

>>317385
>nothing they do is forced
still 9 out of 10 of these cancerous toolbars and shit don't have an uninstaller included

let's face it: your target is a bunch of the most retarded internet users, without an uninstaller your software is probably going to stay at their hdds forever, so please don't try to make yourself look 'fair', especially that most of the money-crazed retards here won't really appreciate it

I personally have some sort of respect towards people who take advantage of people's stupidity and gullibility but I couldn't think of doing that myself. I'm too much of a pussy plus my vocation lets me cheat my country, not poor individuals.

who actually installs this shit, any time installing anything the only thing i look out for is this asshole trying to install shit.


tfw you will never be 8 with 11 toolbars again

>>318188
>who actually installs this shit

Kids and people 30+ years old people

Why doesn't Google do porn ads?

Surely the moral purity aspect can't be it. They could instantly corner an extremely lucrative market that's currently run by fly-by-nighters.

>>318261
no porn ads improves Google's public image

and porn ads are more often than not spammy, the links go to sites with improper business practices, like websites with malware and copyrighted content

>>318261
google starts showing gay porn ads
90% white christians that make up the majority of population on earth don't like it
google looses 90% of earths population
cause and effect

>>318280
They would only appear on websites that those people wouldn't be on. Don't forget how adwords work.

>>317364

Cool Cool. I am currently working on internet marketing, but I feel bipolar as fuck sometimes. One day I feel like I could really make money, while the next day im certain I will fail and im doing all the work for nothing and it will never be good enough.

Its not even about worrying about money, I have a career already which provides me with enough $ but this internet thing is stressing me the fuuuck out.

TL; DR. Paralyzing fear.. wut do?

>>318281
you still don't follow
it's google image
if google even hosts ads for gay porn, people will take note.
it's like google runs a store
this store has a many different aisles for stuff
one aisle is dedicated to killing babies, while the rest are dedicated to saving peoples lives.
it's the internet, people will take note of everything in the store sooner or later.
families see the aisle, and complain to the store owner.

you would think i'm joking, but this is how people work, people are irrational emotional fuck heads who are easily offended by shit.

this is how the world actually works, and public image is number one prior to profits.

>>318287
I guess. Why not just open a subsidiary company to handle adult content? Like how Disney puts out their more "mature" films through Touchstone.

>>317364
IM'er here. Mainly doing affiliate marketing on YT.

Where do you get your traffic?
Which program do you push?

>>318290
whos to say that they already do that then? they are a very large corporation and one can figure that they are already handling all aspects of the "negative PR" stuff.

i'd imagine that google takes cautious stance when it comes to it however. If people found out what google really puts on the internet, alot of people would be pretty upset.

>>317364
I'm looking to get into the business myself.
How do I start?
What assets and skills do I need?

>>318951
>mfw I'm uninstalling all of this crap from my sister's PC remotely right now

>>318953
You should install ubuntu on her computer. Never have to worry about virus' again.

>>318956
>running ubotnet
no thanks

>>318951
Had an idea thanks to shit:

PPC marketing through ad ware. Someone's computer has a virus? The adware gives them your affiliate number and you get $$$ for the call.

>>317411

When did you decide to drop out and what type of student were you?

>>318102
oooouch that's fucked m9.

>>318074
>>318082
Given the great flow of info ITT, could you folks provide me some resorces on grey/black hat stuff.
I live in a Lawless shithole and have some coding experience, I would like to get into that.

Thanks

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>>319263

>>319600
Kill yourself.

>>317364

>>317364
>Upper middle class

murica.

>>318138
I was an executive vip on the Harro's PPI forum back in 2008/2009, when the whole PPI started to grow, I actually had a little partneship going with trophaeum. Decided to quit because every PPI program out there was completely unethical, everything would overload your PC with ads, even change the wallpaper to a big ad.

I'm mildly interested in your inventory, depending on the price, the amount of people in US and other 1st tier countries, and the targeting options.

>>317426

No offense, but it doesn't take a hot shot to make some shitty adware. Make a box with a jpg ad and a "click here to fuck me hard in the ass" url that pops up when a windows system even is detected.

It's not like he has to learn to make an uninstaller.

>>318075
>>318096

Why don't you move? Why is the us worse for you? Why would it better somewhere else (and where is preferable in your opinion?)

>>318110

Grey hat? Like the YouTube faggotry "unlimited candy crush turns unlocker download here). Lel.

>>317922
>offervault
lol

>>319222
No one? OP bailed?
Have a bump then.

>>317385
>the internet would cease to function

Or it would go back to being the non-profit close-knit community it was in the 90's and before. If you happen to mean the World Wide Web, same thing applies there too.

Do your clients actually get customers from your adware advertising, or are they just scammers as well hoping to con money from the few unsuspecting internet users left.

>>320398

>>320398
I didn't realize this thread was still up. We monetize with ad feeds (CPM and otherwise) from large advertising exchanges. They wouldn't buy our inventory if they weren't turning a profit.

>>319066
2nd year. Mediocre student.

>>319222
Blackhatworld.com

>>319978
Woah really? Email me.

>>320068
Lol no one would want that inventory.

>>320086
We've got a couple downstream partners who use this exact method (among others)

>>320381
Probably but then 16 year olds across teh globe wouldn't be able to upload and share their twerking videos.

So what's your oppinion on adblock and how much does it affect your income?

>mfw making literal cents with Adsense on my blog
>mfw making $6-8 on a porn blog that gets 20k uniques per month

>>321903
Let me know how to contact you. Throwaway email is usually the best way. And yes I was even talking with Harro on IRC many times about Xrumer and SEO in general.

hey man im definently interested in buying ppi from you. ppv is my game and ive been profiting mad from it. Is there anyway i can contact you :D

>>322379
>>322501
my email field.

>>322082
I personally use it and have nothing against it. In the end, the browsing experience is ultimately up to the individual. I'd bet the people using adblock rarely click on ads in the first place. Something like 15% of all internet users account for like 80% of ad clicks.

Adblock plus makes money by selling "premium ad space" to Google and other giants, basically letting a few ads through. They also sell your browsing data.

That feel when I'm going to try and earn some money by becoming an online marketer.

I kind of feel like this is a very vain enterprise. Or that I will just earn scraps and not much else, unless I specialize in a very specific and technical method like you OP.

>>322655

I tell everyone who wants to make dosh online to learn media buying. IMO it's the quickest and most stable way of profiting.

Everyone and their dog tries to make some shitty review blog. That shit's oversaturated and played out. Focus on driving targeted traffic rather than writing about the latest and greatest vacuum cleaner.

>>322099
Wait. 6-9 a month or a day?

>>321903
>Blackhatworld
Are you serious? Do you think theres anything salvageable there?
Maybe I didn't lurk harder enough, buy I'm under the impression that there's only skiddie shit there.
I'm was thinking more in the line of tor/i2p and iirc sources that you'd know/recommend.
Well, I'll keep on fishin.
And congrats on one of the few nonshit thread on this board. Have another bump.

>>322910
I posted a link here >>318138
where you can sort "making money" section by rating. Read all 5 star threads dated before say 2012 and you're bound to find something. That said, the quality's gone down a ton in the last couple years. It's mostly dog shit now.

Quick question for anyone knowledgeable about email marketing.

Is this still a profitable venture or is it too saturated? I have a pretty solid website/squeeze page up and running with a fee hundred subscribers but only about11% conversion. If its still a profitable venture I'll put in the time and money to more aggressively promote myself but I also don't want to end up looking like I'm trying to scam people by over promoting.
Anyone have any experience or thoughts on this?

>>322695
Month.

>>317399
>Selling your information is nothing
>Information is a commodity