/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>309260
>wait, you want us to join your sekrit klub and always do what you want? lolno
I intend to exercise my boundless powers as little as possible - only when absolutely necessary and always in a just, principled, responsible and ethical manner. Of course, just me saying I won't abuse my power isn't proof, but consider a game theory analysis:

Early on, if I abuse, I get nothing (because nothing is happening yet) and everyone leaves. If I don't abuse, people stay and things keep happening, and I get to watch them and be entertained.
Later on, when the society starts to actually become useful for its members, it is a goose that lays golden eggs story. If I abuse, I cut the goose. But the longer I don't abuse, the longer I get my egg (along with everyone else).

So it is better for me to not abuse my powers whether the society is big enough to provide me some benefit or not. The only question is, am I a rational and intelligent actor? You may decide based on two things: Read my posts and consider how reasonable I sound, or try light, short-term participation at this early stage to see if I can keep my word at least for now.

Also, like I said, just running this thing is entertaining for me, so I don't want everyone to leave. Also, I get free practice at managing people, which is a much more valuable perk than whatever insignificant profit I could derive from screwing everyone over.

>>309267
>so, why should you be the leader and not someone else
I have (as hopefully I can convince at least some people) a coherent, workable plan. I could make some modest contribution (so my involvement already guarantees that not all members are strictly parasites; I am not). I am reasonably intelligent, mature and wise. I am ambitious (though also patient) about what this venture can achieve, but not very ambitious about my personal gains from it. My primary motivation is not that I would gain something from this, but the potential for entertainment and sense of building and achieving something neat that works well.

Plus, as I said, I served the same basic role for a few threads of Nomic on /pol/, and nobody really complained. I feel like I have at least some basic intuition for how to manage this sort of thing.

>why should we join your society
It's a thing for 4chan users so you may find it a more likeminded community. Also, for every exclusive society there are people who are poised better to get in than others. Eg. the supposed old boy's club, if you are a man you've won the lottery. Otherwise, good luck. The main requirement of this one is being a 4chan user: If you're here, you've won the lottery. Granted, you've won a bag of empty promises, and there isn't even an actual bag. But, as they say, for what it's worth...

Ultimately, the hope is that the society wil grow into something with noteworthy clout and help its members out in various ways. But while this is our stated goal, there is no calculus by which this attempts is even remotely probably to get there. So I would be insulting your intelligence by pitching this angle to you. Instead, the biggest "gain" is probably the satisfaction of finding out how this will turn out, assuming you are curious about it.

>why yours, why not another 4chan society
There are a bunch of 4chan communities with unrelated themes (like /g/'s IRC channels). None of them are /biz/ related. As for other /biz/ communities... Do you see any others?

>so what are your goals
Realistically, to see how long I can keep this going without it crashing and burning. These things gather momentum over time - even if you have done absolutely nothing, the fact that you've stuck around for say a year or so is already a strong bargaining chip to ask for more substantial commitment from members: When that happens we can look into actually making shit happen.

That shit could be things like helping junior members get jobs, being a reference for fellow members who are looking for a job, experienced members mentoring others, and so forth. Once again, this is quixotic to mention, but with enough legitimacy, a somewhat-stable community of volunteers can be very useful: For example, we could try to get non-profit status for the various legal benefits, or we can actually employ our members so they get some crucial work experience - obviously it won't be anything huge, but if you're some poorfag neet with no skillz, maintaining a simple website for a year could add some crucial polish to your resume and help you get your first real job. With some imagination, you can get to clown around doing some autistic shit you like with like-minded people you like, then chalk it up as some serious work experience for an important job interview (and whose to say it isn't serious experience?).

But like I said, that's dreams are swell but right now the priority is to just not crash and burn. Once we have a stable system that is unlikely to end up being a waste of time by crashing and burning, we can start to trying to recruit high-quality members and making good use of their contributions.

>>309273
>how do i join
You wait for the brainstorming thread(s) to finish. Then I will post an initial sign up thread where probably every escaped lunatic on this board will be allowed in if they want it.

>so what is this thread
As I said, I want to have a charter which outlines the various aspects of our organization. I can just use a shitty, makeshift charter, and then watch the community painstakingly labor to fix all the errors, or we can think about it for a bit and just come up with a very good charter that doesn't require much amendment for a while. In reality, it will probably be something in between, but I made this thread to see if anyone has any suggestions that I haven't considered.

I am planning to split the charter into 4 sections:

* Presidential Charter - a few rules that describe the powers of me, the president, and are designed to be only editable by me.
* Principal rules - these are the "constitution" of our society, so they are more difficult to modify. Probably some uncontroversial low-level basics of due process meant to reduce deadlocks, and maybe a statement of our core principles.
* Procedural rules - the bulk of rules governing procedure. The procedure provides for easy alteration of these by members. The rule saying that principal rules cannot be changed is itself a procedural rule, so in practice a principal rule is twice as difficult to change as a procedural rule.
* Guidelines - things we want to encourage our members to do, but which it doesn't make sense to enforce.

Mostly these will be boring basics bureaucracy for how members can change rules and how membership works. The point is to build a stable foundation for bigger and better things. Ideally, we can hand out an up to date copy of this charter to new members and they will have all the information they need to function.

Feel free to provide constructive criticism. Try to stay focused on the - no point in putting the cart before the horse.

>>309280
>Try to stay focused on the
Should have said "focused on the basics".

Anyway, roughly speaking, how about an initial membership system where every member (except the president) is equal, and every member gets one vote.

All rule change proposals are passed if they get majority vote. Ties fail.

What should be the minimum time for voting? This must be long enough to prevent manipulating the process (eg. secret midnight votes) but not so long that everything stalls.

What should be the procedure for dealing with unacceptable conduct from members? Some kind of court/vote to decide if the member is guilty of an accusation? When to throw people out?

How should everyone communicate?

>>309297
Also, another idea I suggest to the person who did one of the previous attempts, but he never got back to me:

The vast majority of the members will be idlers and inactives who will forget about the group and never participate. To filter out such members, put new members into a probation queue. Perhaps we assign a "mentor(s)" to new members. After, say, a month, ask the mentor to provide an argument for admitting the member. It is even better with multiple
mentors, since then they can argue amongst each other about whether to admit a certain person. To avoid introducing perverse incentives, the achievement bar for prospective members should be kept very low - the idea is to pick out people who actually "show up": People with some long-term commitment, who have the discipline to stick with the thing for a long time. (this actually means a two-tier member system)

There's also the question of what information new members should be asked to provide. Too much and people will freak out, too little and we don't benefit as much from new members (plus people who aren't willing to provide any information at all are unlikely to be very committed).

A previous attempt asked for

>Name
>Email address
>School/education
>Field of Study/Work
>Current Occupation
>Okay to Contact (Yes/No)

I think some people will bitch about some of these (name) but then again, people who are both too paranoid to give them out and too stupid to just use a pseudonym are unlikely to be quality members.

Fuck off neet you're not important. Anyone with halfway decent networking skills and a desire to join some society will join a society that isn't accessible to fat retard neckbeards and run by a more than likely autist.

>>309385
I'm already in several societies. They are mostly quiet boring.

>>309387
your runescape guild doesn't count

>>309390
I'm a member of a few professional orgs too.

>>309395
i'm sorry dude i don't know why i was such a dick in my posts

>>309260
Networking organizations work because they provide something to their members other than "networking".

Professional groups hold conferences and talks. Frats and sororities hold parties. A /biz/ "society" offers no direct value to any of it's members.

>>309417
That's a good point. While I wasn't planning to offer "just networking", I think some kind of yearly event might be a worthwhile intermediate goal.

But in the meanwhile, provided at least some members with experience exist, the society could provide mentoring and exchange of knowledge.

You can say, hey, we already have /biz/ for that, but you cannot get reliable, continued, specific and personalized advice from /biz/ the board.

The wisdom of following any 4chan related advice notwithstanding.

Nice. Might take a while to gather steam but I'm in.

I don't even understand what the fuck is this about. You're terrible at selling. Nobody cares about your technicalities shithead, what are people supposed to earn from this? "Help some shithead get a job"? WHAT? People in this place with real skills, business, money, investing experience, etc want to make profits, gain useful knowledge, connect with people who are actually something.

Nobody who values their time, money, knowledge, work has any interest in being mother Theresa and help one of the dozens of useless retards coming here asking how to invest, how to get jobs, how to make money.

Also.
>/pol/

Fuck off you mong

>>309260

>advertising secret society
>about business
>not putting the benefits to prospective members right at the top of the first post
>taking till the second post to do it, and then not actually naming any benefits

You're not in sales, are you OP?

I'm out. Best of luck.

>>309501
Don't be racist

I'd be interested, even if just on a beholder level. Let's have a discussion on an instant messaging program, IRC, AIM, steam, whatever. I can be reached at biztalks@hushmail.com

I like the sound of it, I'm in. I don't know what these butthurt morons are complaining about...there is literally nothing to lose...

>>309511
>>309539

There you go OP, your first leeches.

>>309260
I'm in. Just post your email op so we can send you the details.

There is already one coming out they're just building the forum but there is a irc. It's the plutocracy image post

Yea, I'm in OP

>>309385
>>309501
Their IP's are being tracked, tell me what has to be done.

Hail TplwBdZi !

>>309501
>>309507
I guess you're right, my autism is showing. I'll try to make it clearer (and sexier sounding) in future threads.

On the other hand, I think technicalities do matter (although perhaps I'm overdoing it). I think sustainability is key here, so it's not enough to have a good idea of what this should be, that idea must be formulated in writing so that it may be consistently followed in the future.

>>309511
>>309539
>>309558
>>309576
I'll post an email in the next thread (or maybe here a few days later) once I've worked out a few details.

>>309260
>establishing a democracy where people can vote to abolish the democracy
Fuckin /pol/.

>>309260
And then I read this;
>I will be the benevolent dictator of the society. I will reserve the right to have the final word on every decision, so if the system fails and things start getting out of hand, I can always intervene.
Nope. 360 nope.

>>309415
Because OP is a dumbass.

>>309608
I'm in. This sounds much better than the connections I got from my fraternity. Those people were just lawyers, politicians, and executives.

But these people, these people will be 4chan posters. Do you understand that? 4chan posters! I don't think you understand just how amazing a thing you've done, OP. You can't get that kind of wisdom and experience from just anywhere.

Just a few questions: How much are dues, and is there a screening process?

Neet reporting in.

i am in.
i know some programming and math and i have free time.
i can eventually be useful and for sure not harmful.

>>309615
i like this guy's spirit.


but what should be the goal of our society?
does it even have one?

i think that having equal member voting in a democracy able to change all the rules and finding stuff to do would be gold.
i think the 1 month mentorship before being able to vote would be good.

idlers are not a problem: if people don't submit a vote to an issue within one week their vote will be null.

>>309610
There's a need for a leader in any group. I'm assuming that these "final decisions" more so revolve around what time we have our circle jerking sessions rather than what we as a group invest in.

This all being said, I think we need some sort of filter. I like the idea of getting investors together, because there are potential opportunities out there that cost more than one investor may be able to afford, so this group would allow him to find like - minded people that may be willing (after seeing his plan, the P/L statement, and other information both about himself and the property such as sources of income) to work with him/ invest with him as a partner.

>>309609
Unfortunately this is a fundamental flaw of democracy.

>>309610
I don't see a good alternative to this, unfortunately. With a very sophisticated system, it may be possible to sort of put things on autopilot without a human at the helm, but the charter we come up with is unlikely to be that sophisticated.

>>309615
Oh, I definitely acknowledge that you'd have more to gain from joining your local frat. You would also have more to gain from reading some classic book instead of shitposting here on 4chan. But you *are* here on 4chan, aren't you?

But assuming you are not sarcastic:
>How much are dues
In order to collect dues, we must first have a good reason for them (what exactly they would be spent on and how that helps), and show that we are stable and functioning well enough to succeed in our goals. So no dues for quite some time.

>screening process
Right now, this is unnecessary, since at this point every member helps. But there is a critical point where the administrative burden of new members may exceed their contribution.

For this reason, a sustainable screening system is essential. I've described a sponsor based scheme in >>309316. Alternatively, we could also have existing members vote on each application. I am actually looking for ideas on this one.

Ultimately, there is a sweetspot balance between "leeches" who mainly take and "contributors" who mainly give. The screening process must incentivize preserving this balance.

>>311215

Enjoy your forum of leeches waiting for someone who actually has a brain to give them the magic formula to be successful. You can already see plenty of them piling up and not a single person with an actual job, skill, business, etc.

Here's your problem: the people on this board who are worth connecting with have no incentive to connect with the people who need the help.

>>311217
That's a valid criticism, but it pretty much applies to /biz/ itself. And yet you're here posting.

>>311260
I would consider myself worth connecting with, and it works out to being worth considering for me.

>>309260
>>309267
>>309271
>>309273
>>309280
>>309297
>>309316
>>309326
>>309387
>>309395
>>309420
>>309608
>>311215
why a secret society? it is better to be casual, open and educational first, then form networks if a real need arises

these networks are just groups of people with some sort of loyalty to each other, for instance among all the douches and faggots you meet you finally meet a decent person and they think the same of you, you decide "yeah, we're sort of trustworthy, give me responsibility over $500 worth of shit to do something and I'm not the kind of person to abscond with it, I have bigger goals than that"

>>311279
It's just a joke, in practice there's little point being all that secretive.

But I think the founding members should come from 4chan, and their values and principles should be preserved indefinitely even if recruitment from other places starts.

>>311282
we can start right now, here is a more permanent thread, at some point (within days) I will share some research on a few stocks

http://4-ch.net/science/kareha.pl/1398926069/

save the link in a .txt file or something and return there later, post something there right now

we are unified by the fact that we are some of the few people who care about being more than plebs and like most people on 4chan we like to expose our ideas to scrutiny and comment on other people's ideas, we can learn a few things this way, it is unlikely we will ever feel the need to withhold precious information or attempt to use this community to promote pump and dump schemes in some conspiracy like little finger or something

>>311296
I think it would be very interesting to organize something like an online lecture about basic, practical aspects of say programming and investment.

This would also address >>309417

But we would have to know first who is interested, what skills they have, and how much effort they are willing to put in.

>>311309
>But we would have to know first
But in order to know who is interested we need to set up the network and invite people to scrutinize, comment and share their own ideas.

We need 2 networks, an outer network, which is casual and on public forums like this, then if we find someone posting insightful comments frequently without feeling the need to troll we can invite him to the more exclusive inner network that you imagine.

>le super secret cool kid's club

>>311323
Sounds good, but I think the outer network is redundant. /biz/ itself already works as the outer network. Otherwise, you would be basically making an alternative forum that competes with /biz/ and 4chan - sounds counter productive.

Active recruiting of good posters sounds like a worthwhile goal, but I'm of two minds. Perhaps it would be better to just recruit passively, by maintaining a presence at /biz/ so that most people are aware we exist, and then waiting for them to come to us? (either way this doesn't affect members informally recruiting people on their own, though)

>>311340
well, http://4-ch.net/science/kareha.pl/1398926069/ is just a resource alongside /biz/, so that people can talk over the long term, threads last much longer on the text boards, I'm going to post something about YELP there in a few minutes

>>311340
posted something on the text board

I'm in.

Could we try and have some tutorials? Like a how-to guide or something-101? I know some boards have them as stickies, but I imagine biz would be a bit more diverse with their topics.

>>311340
Yea i'm for passively too.

Btw i will probably be contributin by blogging about some of my experiences and projects, so that the network won't die.
Ofcourse if this isn't nessary anymore to keep it alive or if it isn't appreciated i will stop.

Question for the almighty TplwBdZi, how will you deal with illegality, like people posting illegal tutorials or using your network to communicate for their criminal activities.

I'm for voting ofcourse, but this can bring the network down.

Not all of my projects are perfectly legal so I really don't mind what decision you take.

How do I get in, OP?

WHAT WOULD BE CENTRAL HUB OF THE SOCIETY? WHERE WOULD THE MEMBERS GATHER?

I'm interested OP. I can program decently too.

>>311602
An imageboard? IRC? Forum?

>>311612

WELL, I DO NOT KNOW; THAT IS WHY I AM ASKING THE "ORIGINAL POSTER"; THE ONE PROPOSING THE CREATION OF THE SOCIETY.

>>311612
>>311616
I suggested we start off here, to experiment

http://4-ch.net/science/kareha.pl/1398926069/

>for those who are inclined to research and learn about the economy of this civilization we find ourselves born into

Did this preamble come out ok? Work in progress obviously.

>>311634

1. THE SUBTITLE IS PROLIX & UNREMARKABLE IN ITS MESSAGE.

2. THE INTERFACE IS REPELLING; VISUALLY, AND FUNCTIONALLY; IT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF DISCOURAGING PROSPECTIVE MEMBERS.

I PROPOSE THAT WE GATHER IN AN IMAGEBOARD OF OUR OWN, WITH A BETTER –SIMPLER, CLEANER, MORE INTUITIVE– INTERFACE; PERHAPS WITH PASSWORD ONLY ACCESS.

>>311265
>I would consider myself worth connecting with, and it works out to being worth considering for me

That's the thing; you're not. You're too autistic to realize when people are mocking you, and you've proven to be a controlling moron just by the nature of your secret club.

What makes you worth connecting with?

>>311637
that's pretty harsh, but I am gaping to criticism so I will let it in

I had to choose the title because it is a science based text board, technically researching companies on the stock market is a science, but I had to make that clear

I still think this functions as a place for me, you >>311612 and >>309260 to continue these conversations and continue planning this super secret society

I don't think we need to password everything and keep it all wired tight just yet, we need to experiment and tread the waters, learn a little and find like-minded people, OP is a bit of an autist but it is basically a good idea, however obviously people lack enthusiasm, this ought to be countered with convenience, just as people feel motivated to share their views on 4chan, I was hoping to coax people to use the text boards, where threads last longer and things are less anonymous, yet without the mods and arbitrary rules of other forums like plebbit

I also know of another place, googlesearch "intelme econ", however the threads there don't last as long as they do on the text boards, what do you think of it?

>>311677

I THINK THE BEST WAY FOR "LONG TERM" COMMUNITY –WHICH IS ONE OF THE MAIN PURPOSES OF THE SOCIETY– IS TO HAVE OUR OWN PLACE, WHERE WE CAN CONTROL THE FLOW OF CONTENT, AND THE FLOW OF USERS; WHERE WE CAN EXERT OUR AUTHORITY; OTHERWISE THERE IS NO SOCIETY, AND IT WOULD BE REDUNDANT TO CONVENE AT ANOTHER SITE IF IT IS JUST GOING TO BE LIKE POSTING HERE, IN /biz/.

BESIDES, THAT IMAGEBOARD IS OVERLY SPECIALIZED; CERTAINLY, OUR SOCIETY WOULD INVOLVE MORE THAT MERE ECONOMICS ANALYSIS, AND BUSINESS.

IS http://4-ch.net/ YOUR SITE? IF SO, CAN YOU RENOVATE IT? IF NOT, CAN YOU BUILD ONE?

>>311687
that is a later goal, for now convenience is the best route

the society should be driven by its purpose, not some goal of becoming some edgy secret society, secretiveness will evolve naturally from the society out of necessity as we begin to unravel the esoteric truths of the world

>>311695

THEN, FOR "SHORT TERM" PURPOSES IT IS BEST TO MAKE THREADS LIKE THIS ONE, HERE, IN /biz/.

YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

holy shit just drop 20 bucks on a domain and hosting and gtfo what is so difficult here

if you need a site you can just make a free forum and lock the privileges from new members, and unlock sections after you speak with them on skype. or whatever.

>>311704

"BBS STYLE" FORUMS ARE PASSÉ; SUCH AN OUTDATED MEDIUM WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL FOR THE MATURING OF THE SOCIETY; IMAGEBOARD, OR NOTHING.

>>311702
no it's not my site, it belongs to squeaks, a friend of moot

> IT IS BEST TO MAKE THREADS LIKE THIS ONE, HERE, IN /biz/
It is. The problem is if you meet someone of superior high intellect, such as yourself, it is difficult to stay in touch by means other than e-mail, once this thread is 404'd we will only meet again through random encounters on /biz/, assuming we are on at the same time. It is a lot more convenient to start long term discussions on the text boards.

>>311706

http://tinyboard.org/

if you guys cant even figure this shit out good fucking luck ruling the world, you better reserve autismchan.org while you still can

>>311706
please, explain how a forum would be detrimental.

i guess that till we are small and everything stays in one conversation an imageboard is still ok. but after that?

>>311708
Or create an imageboard that doesn't purge content so easily.

>>311713
I know what to do. I like imageboards, but forums would be fine too. These guys just need to figure out what they want so it can happen. I'm also a bit too busy atm to set this up.

>>311708
>... it is difficult to stay in touch by means other than e-mail, once this thread is 404'd we will only meet again through random encounters on /biz/, assuming we are on at the same time.

I CONCUR, HENCE THE IMPORTANCE OF NAMES & TRIPCODES.

ONLY A PECULIAR KIND OF PERSON EVER CONSTANTLY USES A NAME & TRIPCODE; A TRIPNAME IS A CONSEQUENCE OF PERSONALITY & STYLE, NOT OTHERWISE, AND ONLY THOSE WITH ABOVE PAR QUALITIES TEND TO USE TRIPNAMES; THAT IS THE KIND OF PERSON THAT WE WANT IN OUR SOCIETY, THEREFORE, I PROPOSE THAT IN THREADS LIKE THIS ONE, TRIPNAMES MUST BE MANDATORY FOR MEMBERS, AND PROSPECTIVE MEMBERS; THAT WAY WE AUTOMATICALLY SIFT THE PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES, IDENTIFYING THOSE WILLING TO USE A TRIPNAME, AND THOSE WHO ARE NOT.

>It is a lot more convenient to start long term discussions on the text boards.

I CONCUR, BUT "TEXT BOARDS" ARE NOT APT.

CERTAINLY, AT THIS EARLY STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT, THREADS LIKE THIS ONE SUFFICE; /biz/ IS A SLOW BOARD, AND PLANNING & DISCUSSION CAN BE DONE HERE FOR NOW, UNTIL OUR HOMESITE IS BUILT.

>>311723
anon pls.

tripcodes on 4chan generally do not indicate superior personality or whatever.

we will ofc require names for members ( oh fuck forums have names and password, how cute!).
anonimity wouldn't make sense ofc.

please stop capsing, shouting to soon-to-be-friends isn't nice.

>>311713

THAT SEEMS GOOD.

I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE AN APT PLATFORM FOR OUR HOMESITE.

"ORIGINAL POSTER"?

see ya tomorrow, goin to sleep.

>>312169
can OP please give us his email, so we can all link up before this thread dies and looses it's momentum.

HERE IS MY EMAIL:

the.vagabond.island@gmail.com

ANYONE WHO WANTS ADD HIS, COPY & PASTE THE PREVIOUS ONES, SO A LIST FORMED.

IF YOU PLAN TO JOIN THE SOCIETY, ADOPT A NAME, AND A TRIPCODE.

Opie is gone, ABANDON THREAD!!!!!11

OP, where you at? We need to make this happen before all interest dissipates.

>>312442
He's supposed to be the manager of the site, right?

Making the website itself wouldn't be hard, we would just need the domain, hosting would be easy.

we did this before, I got no feedback except from maybe 10 people. we also had no goal. RIP DENARIUS

im feeling generous, what do you want for a domain name

>>309542
I come to biz just to absorb the attitudes of these guys.

>>311459
Tutorials would be great. Although, for many things, there are resources like Khan Academy or MOOCs and it is pointless to compete with them. Therefore, I think the productive tasks for our members are:

>constructing "curricula" and lesson plans or lists of particularly quality online tutorials
>writing study aids, such as exercise questions, to accompany eg. khan academy videos
>producing tutorials that are on topics not covered anywhere else
>running hands-on workshops through video conferences where people have opportunity to discuss parts they don't understand with an experienced person

So, for instance, a tutorial on how to calculate P/E and future value is not productive - there are already excellent videos about it online.

By the way, an /biz/ wiki or copypasta with various learning resources would be very useful.

>>311550
>illegality
I think it would be irresponsible to not encourage members to obey the law. We should explicitly forbid doing anything that is illegal in the US, and disavow responsibility if any members end up breaking the laws of another jurisdiction they may belong to.

>>311586
You wait for the next thread where I will provide instructions.

>>311634
Is this site yours?

>>311637
We have options of:

- forum
- mailing list
- imageboard
- irc
- later on, irl (very infrequent, possibly once a year)

But how about just holding all communication in a general thread here on /biz/? That way it can double as a sort of open house and accomplish visibility for passive recruiting.

>>311695
>should be driven by its purpose, not some goal of becoming some edgy secret society
This is very true. Which is why I care about "technicalities" of our governing rules.

Vaguely, we should aim to be a community of people willing to help each other be more successful in their careers through various means. Secondary to that is the goal of becoming large and influential, so that our capacity to improve each other's careers becomes even greater.

>>311703
>>311704
Just to address these - I don't have a problem with budgeting a few dollars for a domain and maybe webhost (or maybe I'll just run my own server). I don't have much experience with it per se, but I can figure it out or find people who will do it for me.

However, I dislike hopping from model to model in rapid succession. I would prefer it if we thought carefully about our system, and then implemented it, so that it will be resilient and not require re-designing from the ground up two weeks later when we realize we overlooked something crucial.

>>312330
I'll post an email in a bit.

>>312434
>>312442
I'm here. Perhaps this is a good time to say: I don't intend for this to be a "wham bam thank you ma'am" kind of affair. As I said, stability and sustainability is key at this early stage. I imagine we will all be starting out with a lot of heart, but what we really need is tenacity and patience.

This thing should go on for many years to ever accomplish anything important - so don't get upset over an hour or day or two.

>>312478
I think I tried to participate in that. Unfortunately my contact stopped answering emails, hence this.

While I am planning to give boundless authority to myself, I don't intend to be the main decision making element. If you would like to provide leadership, feel free to make a case for what sort of position you want.

>>312759
>>312778
Oops, I fucked up. Anyway, that was me, don't worry. Here's my email, also.

Looks like I can't into tripcodes anyway, so, let me summarize the discussion so far with an agenda:

>presentation
We need a short, sweet and to the point description/pitch of what we are and who we stand for, for introducing ourselves to potential members. I'll try to work on this.

>leadership
I will reserve ultimate power, but I would not like to actually make decisions frequently. Decisions should be made democratically - but we could still use someone who is willing to take on a leadership role. I will run things while we wait for a volunteer.

>governance
I am still working on the charter.

I think we should use the common government model and have three branches: Legislative (propose changes to charter/rules), executive (runs and administers the society according to the rules), and judicial (deals with people who don't follow the rules, disputes between members, etc). Since we are not numerous, in the beginning we can allow membership in multiple branches.

>names
We need a name for the society. A previous idea was "Denarius society". If you're a boring cunt, there's also "Beta Iota Zeta". Non-descript names that do not obviously suggest /biz/ or 4chan, and sound unremarkable but not stupid or ridiculous are preferred.

We also need names for various offices. I can be "supreme dictator", since I occupy a special positions. I think others should decide on remaining terminology.

In particular, I encourage those who volunteer to head the three branches (if that idea is acceptable) to come up with a name for their own office, and then names for their subordinates.

>Activities
As has been said, a society prospers by providing members with benefits besides networking. Tutorials regarding trading, business and programming are obvious ideas, but we must not compete with the vast resources already available.

>communication
How will the society communicate? The first question is private vs. public. What society business should be public (visible to outsiders)?

>>312814
>communication cont'd
I think it's too early for us to have much private communication, so that can probably be done over email. When emailing each other, we should use PGP (so a tutorial is urgently needed, I can handle that). While it's overkill, it's a good habit to force members into, and has benefits such as signatures for identifying members.

For public communication, there is another broad decision: Should we have a recurring thread here in /biz/ or should we fuck off to our own public forum?

We also need some sort of announcement board which lists current society goings-on. This can be a wiki, a plain html page, and for now it can even be a copy pasta that I manually maintain and repost in every /biz/ thread.

>recruiting
Passive and active recruiting has been brought up. Passive garnered more support.

>admission
How should we decide who to admit? Fundamentally, the spirit of the society demands that we prefer people from /biz/ exclusively, at least at first. Beyond that, one possibility is to have each application be voted on by existing members. Another option is to accept everyone. A third option is to accept provisionally, then make a decision on granting permanent membership after some time (say a month).

>>312821
Never admit everyone. Worst mistake you can do. At first we can admit maybe 80% of all participants but we'll want to eventually have 17% of members accepted.

And you're not going to be "supreme dictator". If you get that position you're going to be like the queen of England, all show no power (why would anyone listen to you?). Three branches idea is good. Besides having a title like "supreme dictator" makes this into an immature 'boys only no girls allowed club". If anything you can be head of the stirring committee which just presents important issues and help shows us what is relevant. Collective legislative democracy can still veto your ideas.

>>312832
>supreme dictator
The title is tongue in cheek. I'm okay with whatever other term that people think is appropriate. Something that gets the point across is better, probably.

Have you read my reasoning for trying to secure absolute authority?

>admission
Admitting everyone indefinitely is not a good idea, I agree. But in the beginning, when we don't have the means to meaningfully carry out selection, why not?

Do you have a reasoning for where your percentages came from?

Question: did you ever reach out to the old founder(s) to see what happened?

>>312842
Yeah they're 'professional' percentages to keep something exclusive and desired, yet able to maintain and preserve an active club. Clubs, universities, businesses, and agencies all use it.

>>312842
My point is though that you won't have the power to be a supreme dictator. This isn't some sort of stock investment where you're going to start off with the most shares. I just don't see how you would be able to maintain power.

>>312843
I had one guy's email. Tried emailing him more than once over about 2 weeks. He has not replied yet.

>>312847
I mean, is there a study that came up with these statistics, or some derivation, or anything like that? Just curious.

>>312851
Not really a study but its just the standard, 17% is the ideal amount.

>>312851
I thought that whole group was keeping a giant roster of everyone's emails.

>>312850
>I just don't see how you would be able to maintain power.
In the beginning, I would maintain power because I doubt anyone will oppose it. So through the "founders make the rules" principle, you can say I will have de facto (or perhaps "de initio") legitimacy.

As we get our three branches running and the members begin to make decisions, they will become educated in our democratic process. The initial charter will be designed such that my power is proscribed by the rules of the society.

So as soon as the charter comes into effect, my legitimacy also becomes de jure. Note that I intend to exercise my power as little as possible, and I am very serious about this. So if people decide that I have been a net positive effect, then I will retain de facto legitimacy.

If most people think like you and oppose my dictatorial power, I will lose de facto legitimacy, but retain de jure legitimacy. Presumably a somewhat extended process will begin where a series of rule amendments are proposed which ultimately remove the part of the charter proscribing my position, so I lose de jure legitimacy as well.

So as you can see, in the very beginning, I can feasibly maintain power. Afterwards, the democracy can decide whether I have made sufficiently good use of my power to deserve keeping it.

As for why it's necessary for me to have it in the first place: Like I said, either way I have de facto (short lived) authority by virtue of being the founder. But if we throw a democratic system on an anarchic member body, I am concerned that the result will be chaos. I want to be dictator for a certain period of time so I can guarantee a smooth "boot up" of the system, if you will.

>>312853
Seems oddly precise. I see your point, for instance Harvard admits something like 1 in 20. But then Harvard also gives diplomas with a seal saying "Harvard" on them, and has classes with tiny student/faculty taught by Harvard professors.

>>312863
>more on the dictatorship
I think it's a reasonable compromise. The stakes are too low, so there is little risk of power corrupting my integrity (assuming you are willing to grant that I have any integrity in the first place). On the other hand, the benefits of not abusing my power outweigh the benefits of abusing it.

Obviously, we cannot have a dictatorship forever. Sooner or later, the system will be running smoothly enough to be cut loose of its scaffold. Let's call that time t2. At this time it would be appropriate for me to voluntarily give up my powers once and for all.

However, my "founder legitimacy" will not last long. Unless I constantly reaffirm my status with rhetoric, I will lose my de facto legitimacy fairly quickly - let's say at t1. At this point the system will lose my guarantee, and there will be no safety net against descending into chaos.

I am concerned that t2 will be much later than t1. Therefore, in order to avoid having to spend considerable time and effort on politicking in order to prolong my de facto legitimacy, I want to explicitly legitimize myself.

On the flip side, you could say: What if at t2, you decide that your power is too sweet to give up, and selfishly refuse to do so?

It's a valid concern. But consider that at t2, it is unlikely that I will have any real power - the strongest punishment our system can mete out will probably be saying "you're not a member" and maybe revoking the person's access to the private area. If, say, we start collecting dues for a communal treasury, the dictator could just take that money and spend it on meth - and indeed, we should absolutely not implement such things until I have given up my powers. But, coming back to my point: At t2, I don't really have any force behind my authority - if I start stupidly ordering everyone around, they will all leave, and I know that. So why would I?

>>312870
As an aside, I'm not really interested in running this thing forever. I'm interested in participating and benefiting like a good member, and I'd like to get it up and running (someone has to), but that's the extent of my ambitions.

>>312856
Yes, list was members only - they got overwhelmed and froze memberships, never approved mine. Said keep in touch - went out of touch.

Now here we are, and I'm resolved to do better.

>>312871
I still have the original guy's email. Posted in the fold. Probably worth a shot trying again.

>>312876
That's the one I have. Emailed last on... 3/30? Not sure if that's correct, but no reply yet.

>>312814
If I may coin a title for the future judicial branch, why not call it the Inquisition? It could be quite fitting since it actually is used for a type of judicial system and it also is affiliated with Rome which connects to your idea for the whole society's name.

Boys, boys, we're overthinking about this, and building castles in the air. First of all, we need a way to communicate between us the members. Then we can decide everything.
A closed membership forum which requires invitation to access would be the best, in my opinion

>>312989
I disagree. Why would you start building the channels before fully defining the objectives of what this thing is

>>313067
Isn't it obvious? To share information and favours, in a mutual profit

WELL?

IS ANYONE GOING TO USE THE "TINYBOARD" PLATFORM TO BUILD OUR IMAGEBOARD?

WHAT ABOUT OUR SOCIETY'S NAME?

ETCETERA.

>>313151
Denarius is good, I guess. If we are going to get that roman feel, of course.

>>313165

I DO NOT THINK SO.

1. NONE OF US KNOWS HOW TO READ, NOR SPEAK LATIN.

2. WE ARE NOT ROMANS.

3. "DENARIUS" IS A DULL NAME FOR A SOCIETY.

>>313168
Fuck, but if this is a society centered in business, then we must accept that business is based in money. Why don't we get the name of a currency, like denarius, or Aurus

>>313168
Let's call ourselves the attention seeking nutjobs. You can be the leader.

>>313180

1. UNCOUTH.

2. IT DOES COMPRISE EVERYTHING THAT OUR SOCIETY IS; IT IS NOT HOLISTIC.

>>313184
Well, then if you want a fucking mysterious name, get into Skull&Bones

>>313185

NO.

I THINK THAT THE NAME "CLOVER" IS APT; "CLOVER SOCIETY".

IT IS APT FOR SEVERAL REASONS; THE MOST EXOTERIC ONES, AND THE ONES RELEVANT TO YOU NOW BEING:

1. IT IS A REFERENCE TO "4CHAN", THE IMAGEBOARD IN WHICH WE CONVENE; THE SITE IN WHICH WE WERE FORMED.

2. THE CLOVER SYMBOLIZES SOCIETY, UNION; THE SYNTHESIS OF MANY INTO ONE.

>>309260
When is this happening?

>>313194
Ok, wizard. Clover it is. Where I come from, we call it "Trébol"

>>313194
how about clover, in latin

>secret society
>on a completely public forum

toppest of lals

>I'll be ur king

kekekeke

>>313194
>>313194
the latin for clover is trifolium, resembles "triforce" somewhat

however 4chan is not a trifolium, it is a quattorfolium (quadfolium?), a 4 leafed clover, something that represents luck, people who stick out from the crowd (us)

>>313200

WHY IN LATIN?

CHOOSING A LATIN NAME WOULD BE INAUTHENTIC; NONE OF US KNOWS LATIN; EVEN IF MOST OF US KNEW LATIN, THERE IS NO PURPOSE, NOR JUSTIFICATION FOR A LATIN NAME.

>>313202
secret societies in the past have started in stranger places

>>313202
This. Better we get into a forum or something like that and then decide shit.

>>313205

"CLOVER" REFERS TO THE PLANT ITSELF, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY LEAVES IT HAS.

>>313212

Could you please stop typing in all caps?

>>309260
I'm in too.

>>313265
THIS IS HOW BUSINESSMEN TYPE. AND TALK. LOUDLY AND IN SHORT BURSTS.

I'M IMPORTANT

>>313278
>I'M IMPORTANT
On an image board

>>313212
this is 4chan, not 3chan, a 3 leafed clover is nothing, it is like a blade of grass, a 4 leafed clover means something

anyway, if you were the least bit competent we wouldn't be quibbling over the symbol and name of our secret society, we would be on that text board I posted earlier discussing the stock market

http://4-ch.net/science/kareha.pl/1398926069/

>>313299
How do I get into here?

It should be a clover representing 4chan, presenting our roots to this site.

I just created an e-mail for this

percival_chesterton@gmx.com

I suggested earlier we used 4-ch as a convenient public text board, our "outer circle", we invite people to contribute and if they are to our liking we invite them to our inner circle with a tinyboard forum, which someone said they would make

http://4-ch.net/science/index.html

I started a thread there "The science of economics (pro)."

4-ch.net/science/kareha.pl/1398926069

I also suggest we visit reddit.com/r/investing and the yahoo message boards, there is a lot of internet chatter there too

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=BWLD+Key+Statistics
http://finance.yahoo.com/mb/BWLD/

>>313212
>>313318
I think there is a consensus in favor of the clover idea. This is just a symbol and a name, it can be changed later.

This is 4chan not 3chan, a 4 leafed clover is lucky, a 3 leafed clover is meaningless, like another blade of grass.

The concept of luck is a petty superstition, however searching for valuable pieces of information in the stock market is like searching for a 4 leafed clover, you know there is at least one out there somewhere. It is not really luck when you find one, it is risk assessment. That is why risk takers are more successful, they fail nearly every time but they are more likely to stumble across that one thing which makes their fortune.

>fortune favors the bold
the SAS already have this motto so we can't use it, but it fits what I am saying

Anyway, we should be discussing hot stock market picks, psychology and esoteric knowledge, not quibbling over which motto and symbol we choose.

>>313303
>How do I get into here?
Not sure what you mean. You can post anonymously without registering.

i forgot, there is another board /econ/ which attracted the likes of "wipe", who makes the marketwatch game threads

however the mods got sick of him advertizing it on /pol/ so I'm afraid to put the link, but it is worth mentioning

google "intelme econ"

>>313212
Clover is a shit name.

Sounds to common. We want to attract people. A cool sounding name is important like Equinox or some shit. But I think the name should have some hidden meaning as well.

I think the biggest issue you currently have is what anons mentioned earlier: You aren't attracting real money or real power, which is what makes a thing like this actually elite and influental and not just a community learning group

⌘ KLEE GESSELSCHAFT.

>>312989
>>313352
There is still a lack of agreement for why we should even have a forum at this stage. Eventually, we will arrive at a point where we will need to have secret discussion. But right now, what is there that we need to talk about that can't go on a recurring /biz/ thread? See my (and others') earlier posts.

>>313067
This is my logic. We don't have to lay out a 50 year plan in perfect detail, but as the saying goes, if one does not know to which port one is sailing, no wind is favorable.

>>313076
Pretty good description in a nutshell; will steal.

>>313194
>>313352
Well, fuck. Clover is actually pretty good!

Since quite a few people had also liked Denarius, it will be one of these two, but let's give it a bit more time.

I agree that motto and symbol is moot. Name is important for practical reasons, but motto and symbol are trivial things which should be very low on our list of priorities.

>>313202
Secret is tongue in cheek. If you want to be pedantic, we're (slightly) elitist, not secret.

>>313455
I made the point in an earlier post that the name should be unassuming, so we don't stand out to people unfamiliar with us and inspire them to research us more closely.

Outside of 4chan, I think obscurity will benefit us, and we should not go out of our way to dispel it.

>>313700
Do you have a suggestion for how to attract real money or power? Until you do, the idea is to attract determined and motivated people, and help them help each other become influential.

WHO IS GOING TO BUILD THE IMAGEBOARD, USING THE "TINYBOARD" PLATFORM?

WE WOULD MAKE MORE PROGRESS IF YOU DID NOT DISAPPEAR FOR TWENTYFOUR HOURS AFTER THREE POSTS; YOU ARE THE "CEO".

OUR PRIORITIES NOW ARE, IN DESCENDING ORDER:

1. NAME.

2. BUYING DOMAINNAME.

3. INITIATING HOMESITE CONSTRUCTION.

THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF SOCIETY WITHOUT THOSE THREE PREREQUISITES HAVING BEING FULFILLED.

THE NAME "CLOVER" IS THE APTEST; GIVE THE FINAL ORDER; MAKE IT OFFICIAL.

>>314541
>IF YOU DID NOT DISAPPEAR FOR TWENTYFOUR HOURS
Eh, it's a slow board, and there doesn't seem anything particularly urgent going on.

I disagree with priorities. I think our priorities are:

1. Decide on an application system.
2. Assign at least three officers - for executive/judicial/legislative heads.
3. Decide on voting system.
4. Name.
5. Charter (my job).

As for homesite and domain - these things are not hard. But we must first decide on what exactly we plan to accomplish with these.

While clover is a good name, I'm delaying the decision to make sure we've allowed ample opportunity for anyone with a strong opinion to voice it.

Also, if the above priorities are satisfied by then, I'll make a new thread on Tuesday, with clear instructions for how to join and so on. How does that sound?

>>314558
Actually, 3 and 4 can be delegated to the executive and/or legislative branches. So what we really need to do is:

>a system for how to decide who to admit
>at least three volunteers to be officers

And what *I* need to do is draft a basic document describing how we should govern ourselves (which gives ample power to the members to democratically amend it).

>How does that sound?

I DISAGREE WITH YOUR PRIORITIZING, BUT WHATEVER.

THERE IS NOTHING ELSE FOR ME TO TELL FOR NOW; I HAVE TOLD, AND POSITED EVERYTHING THAT I HAD TO UNTIL THIS POINT OF DEVELOPMENT; THE NEEDS HAVE BEEN DETERMINED; IT IS UP TO YOU, THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, TO EXERT AND ENACT.

YOU ARE INDECISIVE.

PROTIP: NOT EVERYTHING REQUIRES UNANIMOUS, OR MAJORITY APPROVAL, AND NOT EVERYTHING REQUIRES TO BE PUT TO VOTE.

We can admit everyone who wants to join for some time, then only accept people with invitations from inside.
Bolshevik style.

>>314567

this guy is the reason 80% of this board thinks you guys are total autistic faggots, and they're right, and I'm one of them

>>309267
But that's wrong. Later on, you can abuse it. Just not so much people leave.

I want to join so that I can start a quasi-revolution

>>314992
I will support your revolution

>>314541
>>314558
I disagree on another level.

Let's face it, we're just a bunch of douches on 4chan. The only way we are going to get anywhere is by concentrating on the practical purpose of this secret society and actually accomplish something, achieve excellence in something, like learning how to trade in stocks, sharing ideas, exposing our ideas to scrutiny, judging other people's ideas, learning together.

All this officiousness is unnecessary, you want to do this properly then you need to be more utilitarian. If we need a god emperor or an exclusive forum it will grow naturally from the society we are creating.

>>315492
You are right about concentrating on a practical purpose. This will most likely be stock trading discussion, because that seems like the thing that is easiest to get in to (no extensive training requirement), that many people will be interested in, that can be done anonymously over the internet with strangers that you do not fully trust.

But ultimately this should be a scratch my back/scratch your back kind of thing. For instance, if I am in a position at a nice company where I can influence hiring decisions, I would have no problem helping a fellow anon beat the HR gauntlet, whether by actual recommendation or indirectly by giving him interview tips.

However, I would first have to make sure the person is reliable. If I vouch for him and he gets hired, then fucks up royally, I will also be to blame. How can I make sure they are trustworthy? Impossible. But trusting someone that you've spoken with weekly for 2 years, that you know very well, that you've worked with on smaller projects (even something like making a small website) is a much different matter than trusting some random fuck who has just popped up yesterday.

Which is why I am so focused on having something that stays active for a long time, even if it accomplishes nothing significant besides people talking to each other. Having long-time participants who know each other reasonably well is by itself a valuable asset.

But if long-time stability is important, then I don't see any alternative to the "officiousness". Besides, it gives everyone something to do and something to work on together until they actually trust each other with more serious things.

>>317545

OP, I'm currently the leader of a group much like the one you currently seek to establish.

I can't say I'm interested in joining the constituency of your group, as obviously I am already in an elite position within my own, but perhaps it could be mutually beneficial to network, the two of us, and discuss certain aspects of our respective leadership roles.

What do you think?

>>317566
Can you be a bit less vague? What exactly do you do? What is your progress? When did you start?

In my experience, 4chan joint efforts seem to lose their enthusiasm before I do more often than not. So I would worry about the same problem with your group, and if I don't have a position of leadership, I would not be able to do anything to influence this either.

>>317763

We've been active for around 3 years now.

We however did not form via 4chan. We've recruited here before though.

Leave a means of contact if you find your interests are sufficiently piqued. This will be my last post ITT.

THERE WAS GENUINE INTEREST & ENTHUSIASM FOR THE PROSPECT OF FORMING A SOCIETY, "ORIGINAL POSTER"; IT WAS FEASIBLE, BUT NOW THE IDEA IS COLD & DRY; YOU SQUANDERED THE OPPORTUNITY WITH YOUR INDECISION.

YOU DID NOT DO ANYTHING.

Or get a job and work towards something/

>>317907

theouroborosgroup@gmail.com

>>309326
I think you want:
>Location/Country
>Languages
>Key capabilities (coding languages, exporting, law, customs, stocks, futures, engineering, car mechanics, design, railways, etc)- some things someone can say "hey I have an idea for a business, but I need a guy who knows a bit about ow railways run, how to export, who speaks French, who lives in Spain, etc.
That way our network is about connecting people with a skillset to people with another skillset, and together we can get shit done.

>>318189
Could someone summarise what is happening with this society. What physically needs to be done next

>>318189
So did you. Remember when I suggested we share ideas on 4-ch and you basically shot me down because you're a bossy boots who wants everything done his way?

http://4-ch.net/science/kareha.pl/1398926069/

>>318253
What needs to be done next is to reform our entire philosophy.

This started out as some guy saying "lel wouldn't it be super edgy if we founded a secret society like the illuminati". But what would this achieve? The society won't last very long unless there is a practical basis for it existing.

Since we are on /biz/ I propose that we found a society based no sharing ideas about the stock market. Some people will point out that sharing your ideas is like sharing trade secrets, however I'd like to point out we are all plebs, all our ideas are shitty and we're never going to develop any good ideas unless we join together as a hive mind. If in the event we do start to come up with good ideas, we can then take the secret society more seriously and create our own little exclusive club for our most prominent members, occasionally recruiting new members from a pool of lesser members, people we find on /biz/, reddit/r/investing and such places.

Different layers of secrecy. We could have 3 layers, the first public layer, then the upper layer and finally the elite layer. People in the upper layer are unaware of the elite layer, they are unaware that we are just testing their loyalty. People trying to infiltrate will enter the upper layer believing they have succeeded and if any secrets are leaked we can find out who did it, by doing a tyrion lannister.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcK1O9MamN8

Until then we need to develop the practical basis for our society, discussing stock market picks. On 4chan we like posting our ideas and scrutinizing other people's ideas, we do it for amusement. Most successful people I've read about enjoy what they do, it is also a source of amusement for them.

I think this is a good philosophy.

From what it seems, this group will fail like the last one. It has the same problems. You guys have unrealistic goals and a lack of funding.

You guys want a secret society of people that can help push forward an agenda, but the problem with the last group is there were only to people that were participating, the rest just wanted to leech of each other.

Why not something realistic, why taking advantage of social networking/marketing? Get a well curated list of users, and amass popularity to market your products off through the group?

I'd be interested more if it was something like that.

>>319276
You guys had good motives, but there was no product other than talking about the stock market. I'm sorry to tell you this, but users on 4chan don't have that.

>>317907
supersecrets96@gmail.com

>>318271
Im making a seal. What do you want on it?

>>318189
I appreciate your dramatic rhetoric, but I don't think there's been a great loss. I'm still here and there's been no change in my plan to proceed on Tuesday.

I understand that some people may have grown impatient, but to be honest the thread has only been up for 6 days. Perhaps filtering out the impatient is not such a bad thing.

>>318271
I like the layers, but I'd file that under "things to think about when we are big and established". Having layers right now would accomplish little.

>based no sharing ideas about the stock market
This is part of the plan. However, just sharing stock tips is a bad idea. The rational thing is to provide portfolio feedback to each other, combining our specialized knowledge. For instance, one guy who knows a lot about iOS startups could help everyone figure out good stocks in that area.

>sharing your ideas is like sharing trade secrets
Well, as the saying goes, success is only 1% inspiration. I would say that if you have a great idea, you are already at an advantage because you understand your own idea best. So even if you reveal it immediately, unless you utterly lack the skills necessary to actualize the idea then it's very unlikely someone will be able to steal it.

On the other hand, if you have an idea for a really lucrative website, but never do anything with it because you know fuck all about coding, business, or finding people who do know, and then I do it before you because I do have those skills, is it really stealing?

>>319276
>Why not something realistic, why taking advantage of social networking/marketing?
Why not indeed? There's nothing stopping you.

>Get a well curated list of users, and amass popularity to market your products off through the group?
I don't know if a voluntary spam list is the way to do it, though. At best, you could be successful if you identified some common need among the members, and then marketed products addressing that need... But it's likely everyone is already buying the best competitor on their own, so you would only be polluting the group discussion.

Not to shoot you down, I think it's a decent idea but needs some development.

>>319321
Things to aim for:
>not too eye catching so that the uninitiated aren't tempted to look deeper
>not silly looking so that if we ever form official connections, we don't have an "embarrassing looking seal" issue

>>319437
Let me elaborate on the stock tips side of it:

Getting on the spot, independent, stand-alone advice on stocks is already something you can do on /biz/ and in many places on the internet. However, the problem is that if you use this is as an actual regular advice source, you will find that one day you get conservative trader giving you advice, and the next day you get a really aggressive guy, etc. You end up changing strategies all the time.

It is accepted wisdom that especially for less experienced investors, it is best to pick one strategy and stick to it. When you get anonymous advice, you have the problem of explaining your context every single time. On the other hand, if you get regular advice from a single person or group of person familiar with you, the context does not need to be explained.

So this sort of personalized stock tip is a niche that we could easily fill.

>>319437
Well the idea would be to use our connections and to amass a power of influence. Through the power of influence, we will then take this massive list of people with our influence, and project products that appeal to our audiences. This allows to keep relevancy, decide whose product will be in line for the project next, and keep a constant stream of income, while remaining anonymous, which will allow us to build even greater connections.

>>319452
We will then be able to form out specific figure heads of the group, who would be able to control a certain audience. I.E. we have an audience and a guy capable of building an influence around edgy teenagers. We put him in position to build the influence, we then send our project through that figure head, we give a little bit of commission for his use of influence, then he uses his influence to propel another user into popularity. From there, we're able to valuably market our ideas and strategies to not just audiences. But audiences that want to buy our products. From apparel, to perhaps website design, editing, and more. We in turn build our influential users bases, and then expand the group. We have the elite tier, who would be the original who capitalized on the idea. Then we would have the joinees, who we then will be able to up our commission rate of influential users, and allow ourselves to propel even further.

If this slightly interest anyone, I've put a lot of thought into a project like this. Let me know.

>>319452
That sounds good, although I was more thinking in these terms: Suppose you got a great idea for selling some kind of trinket on the internet. But you can't just go and do it yourself: You need to find someone to make the website, you need to find someone to supply the materials, you need to find a company to ship the stuff to customers, and so on.

You could just open your local yellow pages and go down the list, but it is probably that you'd be ripped off. But if you were a member of a society like this, you could just ask to see if anyone happens to know someone.

You might ask, why would they not rip me off? Because membership is a long-term affair, and if they rip you off now, they will not be able to benefit from the society in the future.

Another example: Say you decided to quit your job and become a freelance programmer. You'll never get clients because you have no prior work, no references, no connections. Someone from the society could do you the the favor of hiring you despite these, and assuming you do your job well, you know have a reference and your life is that much easier.

Even reddit already does things like this, with mixed success. The only problem is that to benefit, you have to suffer the sort of people that use reddit, and you have to submit to the attitudes that prevail there.

>>319459
So, basically, a viral marketer/shill army for hire? Hmm...

>>319462
I think our ideas are in correlation with each other. As our membership could benefit each other from referrals and everything.

I'd like to get involved in your cause, where could I contact you?

>>319466
Basically. We would essentially be a literal secret society taking advantage of the ease of social networking.

>>317907
klotrock@gmail.com

>>317907
someone already heard something from this guy, or do they have the same rule as fightclub.

they can help us if they're legit, they have been around for 3 years. if someone coudl share info when you are in about their infrastructure/purpose, that can probably inspire us

Hello, to everyone who waited for tuesday - unfortunately, there has been a delay, I will post the charter draft and instructions for officially joining tomorrow.

>>317907
doswin95@gmail.com

>>317907
Hey I in this one as well as the one being created in this thread.

I am a computer science major at Stanford. I have done some PR/marketing as well.

Here is my email: InfiniteSpiralingFractal@gmail..com

>>321319
>CS Major
>Stanford
>joining "secret societies" on /biz/
Kids these days...

>>309260
who wants to infiltrate, expose the list of members and get them all killed or arrested?

any volunteers?

>>321319

If you are a computer science major at Stanford and you claim to be in my organisation I would know you on a first name basis.

That being the case, what's your name?

>>321360
name or pseudonym?

>>321389

> first name basis

What do you think those words mean?

Y'all posting in a NSA bread

OP, I move that we propose the name of the website that will host your idea.

>>317907
hassekiev3@abv.bg

Never having joined a secret 4chan society, I don't get the point of this thread. It seems like "This thing is coming, it's not here yet though" wrapped in busy-babble.

Give us something static keep track of instead of having to look at /biz/ everyday to see where this is going.

>>317907
Marketing/Design/PR
johngossimer@mailtor.net

>>317907

smokeweed420@windowslive.com

>>321360
sorry I meant to say interested, not in

>>317907
tecs2947@gmail.com
I'm a CS major at Carnegie Mellon. I do webdev and UX.

>>317907
XxXxX_-_-_El1t3-^-sN1p35_-_-XxXxX@myfingersmellslikepoop.com