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The crack is people stop believing.
The crack is bitcoin.

this was 3.14% in 2019
why should people care this time

Zoom out

>>30276053
>>30276127
The whole
>printed 71% of all dollars in existence thing
Makes it a little different this time I suspect.

Just read this. It's some faggy redditors but it's the best explanation I've seen

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/lxf7y0/whats_happening_with_the_bond_market_or_how_i/

>>30276239
oh so it's more unsubstantiated fud on this god forsaken board
cool

>>30275533
See >>30273373

The higher the bond yield, the more attractive the bond will be to investors. Investor will sell equities to bay for new bonds. Increased sale of equities lowers the price. The US equities market is overvalued, high bond yields will pop the bubble.

>>30276053
>>30276127
You are absolutely idiotic.

Hedge inflation with steel

Don't listen to the America is falling crowd they don't realize how much longer usa can wait. Australia and japan solved the problem last week..

Why would USA ignoring the problem until another country spends their money a sign of American weakness?

>>30277404
whhat did austria do?

>>30277333
Haha no!

>>30275533
Tesla dumping again
Apple down too

Can’t tell if unemployment reports are bullish or bearish for the Nasdump

>>30277511
*Australia

The week of the initial spike to 1.61 Australia did 2 unscheduled bond purchases and then announced double QE this week onward. Japan also did an unscheduled buy last week.

Australia is protecting their domestic interest rates and defending a target on their 3year bond

>>30276300
Yes, the fed buys back dollars with higher yielding notes in a tightening cycle. This makes bond yields go up and thus stocks less attractive. However, if money velocity increases quicker than the Fed can increase bond yields due to a quick economic recovery (very likely, as the Fed has printed an obscene amount of money which they cant easily get back).

Bonds: bullish
Equities: neutral
Commodities: bearish
Dollar index: bearish
Euro index neutral

Thank me later

>>30278418
what about crypto are we fucked

>>30275533
TOTALLY HAPPENING
Commodities market.
Rhodium already broke.
Uranium next.
House is collapsing.
TOTALLY HAPPENING

>>30275533
The crack is the friends we made along the way

>>30277333
Checked, but I'm not buying your bags. I'm buying PDBC.

Thread full of retards all shilling retards.

>>30277333
TY CLF annon - all in silver miners, clf, uranium miners and bayer. Might get in kellogs after ZCASH moons

>>30278418
>Commodities: bearish
there is no commodities market anymore you fool

>>30277659
So they just print more money? Or did they just rearrange budgets? Where are they getting funds to double QE?

i bought an urbit star to store some wealth in, but 1 is enough. Where else can I park my money?

>just refinanced my mortgage at 2.4% fixed

lmao

Its all gone.

let me guess you want me to buy your precious shit metals is that correct? fuck off

>>30278574
>Commodities: bearish

>>30279310
idk about the australian central bank balance sheet, but their bank is going to keep buying 5B in bonds a week, up from 2B a few weeks ago. Its money printing for sure. Watch for Canada to become majority bagholder of their bond market 2021

>>30276373
no most of all USD ever printed were made recently.

>>30278418
How is commodities bearish? Isn’t the point of commodities to shield against a crash?

>>30280829
There is no market anymore. No one is selling.
>t. central buying for some company

>>30277333

Why dont you just exercise your calls and go live your life?

Why are you a gamling faggot?

>>30280829

If we have a debt crisis oil will be negative again like last year because if no one can borrow money and the econony grinds to a halt.

Not inflationary by any means

>>30276300
go back

>>30280635
if i have some of the older usd would it be worth more? like for collectors or something?

>>30281074
if oil goes negative cant you just buy it and make a lot of money somehow since it cant stay negative forever? whats the best way to profit off that

Bond yields are rising because there will be a massive economic boom after the covid openings. Possibly the biggest in modern history. people had to sit on their arse for a year and are waiting to spend. The market is investing and adjusting to that.

>>30277333
kek you lost 500k since last time i saw your bags

>>30281881
I cannot get commodites. I cant buy no physical silver. All i get is fucking papertrash and FUCKING FUTURE PAPER SETTLEMENTS. HOW will this boom be possible ?
>t. central buying for some company

>>30275773

don't think so tim. If people believed in bitcoin they'd believe in miners and miners are all down about 40% over the last two days alone.

This is nothing more than an exercise to shake out weak hands. They also want to blow all the redditors out. Everybody has been piling on to the hyperinflation/commodity trade and it's way overbought.
The Fed can't let these yields rise long term. 401k's and pensions are too tied into equities and if they let the market get blown out people will riot. But more important if lending rates go up it will cause a massive cascade of business failures and insolvency they won't be able to control. ((Connected CEO's)) will be making calls to politicians to shut it down.
This may go on a week or two tops, but my guess is when the stimulus gets debated over the weekend and people realize all the gibs that are coming to corporations and people the yield rate will be back down again on monday.
This is nothing more than a test to see if you have strong hands and to not make to easy for the redditors.

FUCK YOU !
I am buying at SGX

>>30282058
Commodidies are rising because there is massive demand. If there would be a recession they would crash.
Get ready for the biggest economic boom or get steamrolled.

>>30282268
Fed will 100% let the yields rise with usd

>>30282627
I DONT NEED NO FUCKING PAPER YOU RETARD !

>>30275533
fiat currency is about to implode yet silver is still going down. really makes you study the talmud

>>30282741
Nothing is imploding. Quite the opposite. Invest in the post covid boom or get steamrolled.

bond market doesn´t listen to the Fed bullshit, with all the money printing and stimulus they don´t want to hold low yield bonds anymore. They will get fucked by inflation. I think they rather have foreign countries and institutions purchase their debt than a stock market at all time highs. They need rising yields for this, or no one will purchase the US debt anymore.

I know the housing market jews and greedy boomer owners won't ever let it happen, but one can only hope we're entering another recession.
I'm trying to shop for a house right now and sick of seeing this ultra mania bubble prices. I know prices will barely dip, if at all, but at least the idiots panic-buying the first house they say with a loan they can't afford a year from now will hopefully slow.

>>30282656
Nope.
Not for more than a week or two tops.
They will implement YCC.
They have no choice at this point.

>>30283118
It's never going down anon.
They will force us until 50+ year loans before they let it go down.
When the fed loans money to banks at near 0 rates banks have no incentive to ever let repos leave their balance sheets for a loss.

>>30283118
It tends to happen time after time even if they try to make it not happen

>>30276300
>"Preface: GME Apes hold on to GME with your diamond hands, this is not a ploy to get you to sell nor is this post for you. This entertainment, not financial advice."
>40 paragraphs long
Yea nah I'm not reading all that bullshit.

>>30281466
>literally retarded

>>30278724
what why would uranium crash?

>>30276053
Because 1.6% of $28 trillion is unserviceable.

>>30283555
nobodys selling. market broken.

>>30281560
If oil goes negative it means literally all the storage solutions have been utilized and NOBODY fucking wants it. There is no way to profit off of it because oil wouldn't be negative if there was a way to profit.

>>30281560
actual oil, as in tanker cars full of it, sitting in a dock some place. do you have $100k a day to store it when no one is buying?

>>30281881
>>30282627
>>30282828
a) there will be no economic recovery in the short to medium term, possibly even long term for western society(in its current form)

b) an economic 'boom' is an inflationary period of malinvestment, where the government/central bank has created artificially low interest rates/overly favourable conditions for investment. these artificial investment conditions do not reflect supply/demand realities, and the investments made during this period will not be sustainable without continued inflationary, artificial low interest rate conditions imposed by the central bank. If the central bank removes these conditions, the malinvestments are exposed and a 'bust' takes place.

We are long due for a 'bust'. The 'boom' is the problem, and the 'bust' is the solution.

>>30284135
This. The economy never recovered from 2009, we just wallpapered over it with dollar bills. If our economy was a house, the supports would be termite infested, and the drywall completely saturated with mold. The only solution is either gut the thing for an expensive renovation, or keep wallpapering money in more and more layers to push the problem down the road. The longer you wait though, the worse the problems get.

>>30284135
What delusional nosnense. The Covid boom is inevitable. What do you think happens in texas right now, that they have completely opened? You think their economy is imploding

You fucking retard?

The shit that gets me is we're only in this bullshit now because they closed the motherfucking country down forever over a < 1% fatality rate virus. We could have reopened at basically any time, but the government's just going to keep pushing the fear narrative while printing endless money -- and then they'll wonder why the economy/society as we know it collapsed because they murdered the livelihood of the average person.

Of course, this is all only bad for the non-elites, i.e. (((bankers and politicians))). They'll be just fine, and they're even benefitting from all this and will continue to.

>>30284325
Good analogy, considering these most of the houses for sale that are 200-400K overpriced right now are probably literally in that sort of condition.

>>30284135
This is true.
But they will not let the bust happen. Every government since the 1930's has always opted for the hyperinflation Venezuela scenario.
It will eventually lead to a bust anyway but there are a lot more (((financial inverventaions))) they will take between now and then.

>>30277304
Interest rates also threaten the housing market, companies in debt etc.

>>30282627
thanks president biden!

>>30284325
>The economy never recovered from 2009
Lol. How fucking delusional are your retards?

>>30283493
This is where you zoomer peabrains pull out the weimer card

>>30283558
>Because 1.6% of $28 trillion is unserviceable.
Says who?

>>30284746
>kept interest rates at 0% for nearly a decade
>tried raising rates to 3% and couldn't fucking do it
The economy NEVER RECOVERED. We solved our problems by inflating an even bigger bubble. Look at shadowstats CPI, unemployment, look at corporate debt levels, and ask yourself how these would react at 3% interest rates. Our entire economy is built on asset bubbles and confidence.

>>30284456
For reference. This is capital saved while people had to sit on their arse for a year. Waiting to be spend and invested.

Get ready for the post covid boom or get steamrolled.

>>30283558
It's been unserviceable for a couple of decades now. Stop pretending the percentage matters.

>>30278418
>the fed buys back dollars
>Commodities: bearish
only if they can keep the rigged game going (they can't)
only if yield curve control works (it doesn't)
central planning always fails spectacularly

>>30284952
High IQ post.

>>30280520
>dollar index: bearish

use your fucking brain

>>30275533
This is totally fucked

>>30284789
No dumbfuck, it's about anon who doesn't even understand "printing money" isn't about physically printing money anymore
Learn to read context

You guys better search for a new job already. Commodities completely and utter broken. I just hope we get something to fill the production line for cash.

>>30284889
Good luck raising taxes when unemployment is this high and all the tax monies already goes to the Israeli military industrial complex.

you
>>30284135
>>30278418
reply to this anon >>30285015

and you too
>>30284325
>>30284467
see >>30286912

>>30284325
>>30284456
you are extremely low IQ, and your posts have been screencapped and added to the collage of anons who inevitably committed suicide because they were naive enough to actually believe government propaganda and didnt prepare themselves for hyperinlfation

>>30286912
Having savings waiting to be spent means a rapid increase in demand, while supply is still constrained just like it has been the entire time. It's a lot easier for consumers to mobilize cash in a checking account than it is for business owners to mobilize their operations to scale up production. This means all that new spending will be inflationary. Yes, the economy will "boom," but only as long as DEBT IS CHEAP. Debt is the key to this entire thing. We kept the charade going for the entire Trump administration because of cheap debt, but the only way to keep the game of musical chairs going is to keep playing the music. The "boom" is merely a product of helicopter money and cheap debt, not an actual increase in the amount of GOODS AND SERVICES in the economy, which is what prosperity actually is.

>>30280367
Precious metals aren't for when the crash happens. They're for when the crash is over and a new currency/economy arises. If you don't understand that yet then you were meant to start at rock bottom anyways.

>>30287125
Thanks anon apprechate the reply, also do you think sitting in crypto is the safest thing to do right now?
and what do you think about this [just 4min] https://youtu.be/zJKOj2wRrs0?t=624

>>30287293
If interest rates keep rising, crypto will keep tanking. At some point the fed will step in and print money to reinflate everything again, at which point I suspect the crypto bull market will continue. Don't view it as a hedge against inflation though, I see no reason to believe that will be the case just because it itself is not inflationary.

>>30282268
This, after September I'm not falling for this gay doomnigger shit again. Make gay while the sun shines, shiny rock faggots.

>stack trashtokens
>lose after half a year without liquidity
>go for another trash pool
yeah, you won't have to suck cock

No reason to try to find a trash, be clever, check my portfolio on justliqudity.
>JULD - this is coin for holding, x5 for couple months and moving further

>>30285015
>>30286912

This only means that at bet where Germans were saving $1000 a quarter they now saved $1170, $1950 and $1480. Effectively upping their savings with 54% compared to last year.

Lifetime savings of the average kraut is 19000 euro. I dont really see this having a material influence on anything.

>>30285015
>This is capital saved while people had to sit on their arse for a year. Waiting to be spend and invested.

KEK what a retard. That is money literally printed out of thin air and given to NPCs while they stayed home. That 'capital' nothing tangible

>>30287747
good point, what probably is more important, are thoughts on this clip >>30287293

>>30285015
germans cant wait to go on a air trip

>>30284456
There is a human side to being locked away like an animal that you financial people don't understand. Damage has been done already. No recovery.

>>30276053
>>30276127
Let me school you two. The federal reserve funds rate used to be 10%, 5% and even 20%. But a few years ago the market dumped with a few basis point increases. The market has gotten used to very low rates in the 10yr and the reserve funds. Increasing rates will stop corporations and consumers from taking more loans. The problem is everyone is filled with DEBT. Most people and corporations cannot take any more debt even at these historically low interest rates. That means when interest rates increase there will be even fewer people and corporations that can take a loan. Loans, government spending and treasuries are how we increase the money supply. Paying back loans and taxes is how we reduce the money supply. If no more debt is being taken then the money supply wont increase as quickly. If people are only paying their debts and food then do we get hyperinflation? NO. What does this mean then? If the powers that be want to prevent hyperinflation then they will let the long term bonds go up. Anything at this point is better than hyperinflation so they will let it go up. We will get short term inflation because of the federal government stimmies but because interest rates are rising and taxes WILL be increased. We will get deflation after the short inflation burst. The FED and Democrats CANNOT. AND I MEAN IT. CANNOT afford hyperinflation. Every single person will blame these two for the hyperinflation if the FED implements YCC and Yellen continues to spend like a woman at Ross.

.t Link hodler

>>30287103
>>30287197
>>30287390
So how exactly do you best prepare for the upcoming crash / hyperinflation? There’s so much conflicting info here

>>30289144
>.t Link hodler
then you'll like what you can hear here i presume? >>30287293

>>30289144
Checked. This is the same conclusion I came to as well.

>>30289334
For the crash which I am anticipating, I'm sitting in some USD to be able to buy the dip in whatever I think looks the cheapest. (Most likely a mix of crypto and precious metals). For hyperinflation the only good investment is tangible items. Dumping your life savings into home improvement and solar panels isn't really feasible, which is why precious metals are so convenient, because you can fit your life savings in the palm of your hand if you wanted to.

>>30289334
There will be no carash. The absolute opposite is going on right. This is money waiting to be spend after the covid openings.

Get ready for the post covid boom or get steamrolled.

>>30289144
>CANNOT afford hyperinflation
They don't have a choice. A deflationary event not only devastates and enrages the American working class, but destroys where the majority of the elite and politicians keep their wealth. They can try and jawbone and walk the thin blue line, but one scenario buys them a few more years, where as another paints a target all on the back of their heads.

Massive Inflation is the only hail mary they got.

>>30289555
you keep saying this but don't reply to
>>30287747
>>30287390
>>30287125

Okay but what's going to happen to leafland?
I think we're fucked either way.

>>30289433
Ok I’m also sitting on link and USD. I just don’t get why crypto wouldn’t be good in case of massive inflation?
>>30289759
And what’s your take on how to prepare for the next months/years?

>>30275533
>what happens

>>30290085
Canada is already facing massive inflation and it isn't going to slow down. Canadians will flee from their currency in droves as Canada collapses. Other countries are not far behind since they stupidly inflated their currency. This is why the DXY is increasing. It is not because the dollar has a very good outlook but most everyone is looking to be worse off.

>>30290016
Respond to what? To schizos on biz? Waht do you think is currently happeneing to the Texas ecnomy after they are opening.Do you think it is imploding. Are you so dense, to not understand you are talking to retards and shills on /biz?

>>30290155
Crypto MIGHT be able to weather the storm of inflation, but if things in the real world get bad enough, then people simply won't care about anything digital. Investing in crypto is all well and good when your belly is full and you have access to cheap consumer goods, but if putting food on the table starts to become your primary concern over "investing my money," then the appeal of crypto vanishes really quickly.

>>30290319
>Respond to what? To schizos on biz?
yes, if you just dismiss them there is no point, however if you try to have a discussion with them we all will be able to draw our own conclusions

>>30290367
>but if putting food on the table starts to become your primary concern over "investing my money," then the appeal of crypto vanishes really quickly.
this goes for gold too, in a complete catastrophe food and guns will become more valuable than yellow rocks
but this likely wont happen so crypto will succeed like pm's will

>>30275773
You're close...people who believe in Bitcoin fixing this are on Crack...

There...fixed it for you.

>>30290465
>crypto will succeed like pm's wil
Keep mind there is ZERO historical precedent for this being true. Maybe you will be right, but if the economy is collapsing around you and the grid regularly goes down due to mismanagement, would you rather be holding crypto or muh shinies?

>>30290398
Again, what do you think is happeneing to the economy of Texas after the opening now? Do you think it is imploding? No, it will boom massively. People will spend, businesses will invest and bring employment. And that will happen all over the West post Covid.

>>30278418
>Commodities: bearish
retard

>>30280932
how is having no sellers in a commodity bearish?

>>30290709
>would you rather be holding crypto or muh shinies?
in a catastrophe, neither, but if your problem is internet connection then its a non problem in a few years thanks to daddy elon and his space Internet meme shit

>>30290241
The TV says this all means Y is going up and everything is great.

You don't the TV is lying, do you?

>>30290743
People will spend what money? Most millennials were living paycheck to paycheck before Covid hit. Now there's mass unemployment and many of these jobs aren't coming back. People will be kicked out into the street when the eviction moritoriam ends.

>>30290839
>You don't the TV is lying, do you?

>>30290837
What I'm saying is that if shit goes mad max then everything is fucked, but if we get Venezuela-tier then gold will still be valuable. We don't know how bitcoin will play out.

>>30290709
What collapsing economy? The economy collapsed one year ago. Now it will boom afte covid. You people are literally dunning kruger on steroids.

>>30290938
Address:
>>30287125

>>30290890
>>30289555
>>30285015
This money.

>>30281958
kek. he's gonna have to shill even more now

>>30285173
>crypto
>currency
lel

>>30281881
>there will be a massive economic boom after the covid openings. Possibly the biggest in modern history
imagine unironically believing this.
Imagine believing the jews will allow us to be free ever again

>>30290977
Im not here to spoon fed you everything. Covid was like a war. Now is the time to rebuild. And there is enough capital and enough people willing to spend for that to happen.

>>30282741
This

>>30289334
Remember the Deutschmark was at its strongest right before hyperinflation.

>>30290293
I'm in Canada and while things are more expensive (not according to the BoC but I don't think anyone believes them) it doesn't feel anywhere near catastrophic.
When is shit going to really hit the fan?

>>30290917
Nothing ever goes actually Mad Max.
Even Bosnia was not Mad Max, and they spent multiple years with their capitol under siege.

>>30285015
>more money
>less goods and services
The only boom you will see fiat implosion while hyperinflation is setting in you demented NPC.

>>30289759
>Massive Inflation is the only hail mary they got.
no CBDCs are the hail mary, and they could work

>>30291675
The original mad max with mel gibson. The first film he is a cop in an aussie city with a crumbling society. Still had a job as a cop while shit was hitting the fan. Its only mad max 2 and on into the remake (shit film) where its full dystopia. Think the earlier film is more akin with what might come if the doomers are right.

>>30285015
>Capital
>Talking about literal CURRENCY in GERMANY pretending it's true capital
You're part of the problem anon, and you're coping with graphs that show a single brush stroke of the last supper. You may be right about the boom, but there's always a bust.

>>30291149
Your view on this whole situation is very two dimensional. This Covid fuckery is looking more and more like a means to keep money velocity low. You still haven't addressed these posts.
>>30290016

>>30289555
>post covid boom
You mean forever covid restrictions that will economically enslave us and put us in pods where don't own anything and are given UBI? It's a simple equation to solve.
>Dollars
>Everything Else
Which one rises in value when you print more dollars?

>>30289759
Nigger they've crashed this shit multiple times into the lithosphere and they will do it again
>devastates and enrages the American working class
Better than having them starve to death fucktard
>destroys where the majority of the elite and politicians keep their wealth
Where did you get this retard shit from? The elite and politicians know how to move their wealth around

>>30289555
>post covid boom

>>30278418
>Bonds: bullish
If the Fed is forced to raise the nominal rates on Treasuries in order to make them more attractive to investors, isn't this bearish for bonds that exist today, longer-term ones in particular?

>>30290709
What about hyperinflation in Venezuela. Bitcoin was very sought after there
>>30291569
So what you’re saying is hold cash and then buy PM? Stop speaking in fucking riddles

This thread simply shows me that this board (and normies in general. You = normies) are fucking retarded. Some monkeys ITT think there will be a “crash” coming.

NEWSFLASH retardos: when the US reopens we will see the greatest rate of change in positive macro economic data SINCE WORLD WAR II. Meaning equities will MOON. THATS why bonds are tanking. More and more people are realizing it, forcing yields up.

You guys are some real retards, go buy more gold, which is down 20% now.

>>30294343
..but bonds are mooning?

>>30294245
no one knows anon, the only proven way for your portfolio to always be perfectly timed and balanced is
>be jewish
>do what your jewish friends are doing
alternatively become a senator

>>30294245
Venezuela is a blip on the global economy though. Bitcoin kept its value in the 99.9% of the world that was still functioning, meaning there was the implicit understanding in venezuela that bitcoin held value against dollars or gold. If the US dollar hyperinflates then so many things in the global financial system implode that it makes the two scenarios completely unlike one another. If the dollar hyperinflates then where exactly do you expect to go to sell bitcoin for a stable currency?

>>30277333
do you really think anyone on 4chan has the kind of money to sway a $7B market cap stock? why do you even do this? there is no other excuse than profound and intractable mental illness. get help, tranny.

>>30294832

Bonds are getting ass raped, dumb fuck. You’re referring to the yield of the bonds. When bonds go down, yields go up; it’s an inverse relation. People sell bonds when inflation and growth expectations go up

>>30290743
>he thinks people are going to go spend all their savings at bars and restaurants after spending a year worried about their financial futures
Ask me how I know you never went outside before the lock downs and don't go out now. Local economies aren't in lock down, where does this nonsense come from

I dont really get this fud. Cant they just print more $?

>>30294343
What's your opinion on the M1 money supply?

WTF it just keeps going up

>>30295383
Yes, and they will. However printing more money for QE at this point (realistically YCC) would mean people would lose confidence in the fed's ability to manage the economy. This is why they are holding off as long as humanly possible from doing that.

>>30295475
Hey, where'd you get that from, 'tis from next week.

>>30295403

M1 is just savings/deposits. All money that is waiting to be spent when the economy reopens. No shit it’s gone up when fiscal policy is giving people free money. All that will go into consumption/services

>>30294946
>4chan has the kind of money to sway a $7B market cap stock?
you dont? lmao

>>30295488
They just dont have a choice anymore at this point. Its that or having the chinese buy them out

>>30295770
You think the value of the dollar will remain the same when the the supply has increased?

>>30280301
Oh fuck, I mean if some rando from 4chan said it with a cartoon picture it must be true!

>>30294899
Fair point. Fuck man shit actually has me worried now even though I’m an EUfag I have a feeling it’ll be even worse here. How’re you preparing?

>>30277333
based clf tranny poster. truly the most magnificent cultural gem of /biz/. you're like an easter egg that shows up in random threads

>>30296007
Unfortunately I'm a rentcuck in a major city, so tangible preparations are difficult to make besides just stocking up on food, water, etc. My plan right now is to improve my financial situation as much as possible in the next 1-2 years. I'm mainly doing that with crypto while the bull market is still going, but I plan on taking a large amount of profits into precious metals towards the end of it. Another speculative play I'm making is in silver junior mining stocks. In the long term, a real collapse would fuck every industry completely, but in the meantime precious metals mining stocks should do quite well since we are entering a commodity bull market. In the short term I've sold some of my bitcoin for cash to buy any dips in crypto or PMs that might occur in the next 1-2 weeks in interest rates keep rising.

>>30295854

Inflationary means dollar goes down. Long term trend is down. With a blue president + congress + mother yellen we are 100% going to keep experimenting with fiscal benefits/policy

Doesn’t mean we don’t get periods of deflation, just depends if this surge of inflation that is coming is transitory or not

>>30294343
>When
You really don't pay attention

>>30287125
debt fuelled growth.
every $4 of debt created creates $1 of real economic activity. We're in a liquidity trap/ crack up boom (just don't know if it's the start, middle or end)
>The crack-up boom develops out the same process of credit expansion and resulting distortion of the economy the occurs during the normal boom phase of Austrian business cycle theory. In the crack-up boom, the central bank attempts to sustain the boom indefinitely without regard to consequences, such as inflation and asset price bubbles. The problem comes when the government continuously pours more and more money, injecting it into the economy to give it a short-term boost, which eventually triggers a fundamental breakdown in the economy. In their efforts to prevent any downturn in the economy, monetary authorities continue to expand the supply of money and credit at an accelerating pace and avoid turning off the taps of money supply until it is too late.
the end game is deflation and deleveraging if policymakers are responsible

>>30296904
>the end game is deflation and deleveraging if policymakers are responsible
Sooooo deflation is confirmed for NOT the endgame.

>>30296784

No, you don’t. And neither do the retards that think life is back to normal. The CONSUMER is still being held back. If the government didn’t lock us down, a large % of Americans still wouldn’t consume as much solely based on fear of the virus. Now everybody is over it and we are ready to return to normal.

>>30296904
>if policymakers are responsible
why even raise the possibility?

>>30296976
There's never going to be a return to normal you fucking normie dickhead.

>>30289144
yep, basically a USD token burn
>If people are only paying their debts
even defaults will help destroy money.. just someone else, probably a corporation is left holding the bag. Wonder what happens if governments default though.
>>30289759
cut gibs but implement food lines

>>30295831
4chan couldn’t sway a cum sick with an industrial fan

>>30289144
Well then theoretically thinking wouldn't it not be a bad idea (to not even have to buy the physical although I would) buy PM's or PM correlated holdings and then sell them as soon as the short term inflation increases by that logic. Or am I missing something?

>>30296992
>>30296946
austerity measures have been implemented in lots of third world countries, Europe and even US in the past. Just because it hasn't happened in your lifetime doesn't mean your hyperinflation fantasy is the most likely one.
Don't know what will happen. Stagflation? eternal stagnation and an economy on life support like Japan.

>>30284467
Probably not here anymore but it makes perfect sense to shut everything thing down if you control the outflows of cash that get spent you also control the inflation rates shutting down businesses is creating a deflationary pressure as anyone knows and with less money to spend the hope is to balance out with their "planned inflation" all it does is prolong the recession and the game until (((they))) are ready.

>>30280598
pic is M1 in Australia.
10 yr yield going up too:
https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/TVC-AU10Y/

>>30281881
people don't sit at home and not spend, they blow money with online shopping. household debt and credit card debt are highe than ever. I'm not convinced there will be a boom

>>30296976
Are you retarded? Have you ever considered the possibility this current situation only gets worse in the coming months to years? Have you done any research on the virus, or vaccines when concerning their mechanism of action? I don't idgaf if it's real or not, but you're mainly missing the political/economic axioms of this paradigm

>>30295206
>muh people have no money
>>30289555
>>30285015

>>30289555
>>30295770
>Economy reopens
>Everyone suddenly spending massively inflated currency
>Boom

>>30277333
Every time I see the tranny post his shill shit, the total profit is smaller kek

>>30290917
We could look at Venezuela and see how it worked out there (well)

>>30283167
>YCC
Can YCC fail? how?

>>30296521
Trump has spend like a drunken sailor. Were does this idiocy come from that republicans are frugal?

>>30282846
Point 2 seems confused. If you onw 1% of a company you still own 1% after hyperinflation, same with owning an ounce of gold. Either way you're making money. Dividend stocks might be screwed up though.

>>30275533

>>30298692
Still relied on master and slave economics. Think global level playing field

>>30296992
>>30298309

go back to zerohedge 90 IQ broke faggots

>>30275533

Yep, this is why I picked up 2500 July 25C in CLF at 13 lol

What is the right to buy 250k shares by July worth when CLF goes to 50?

250k*$25 profit any math geniuses in here?

A cool 6.25m?

https://stocktwits.com/symbol/CLF

>>30299602
The fact that is fag spams this in every thread is like the biggest sign just how bad of a buy this is rn

>>30289144
im glad i saw link holder at the end first so i dont have to read all of that

>>30281192
>>30283486
>NOOOO REDDIT MUH SECRET CLUB
Jesus we get it you browsed /b/ as a teenager.

>>30285015
>There is a scary virus, but this rushed, experimental cocktail, which does not even claim to prevent the spread of said scary virus, will magically fix everything.
>The governments of the world can't wait to do a total 180 on everything they have been doing for the past year, and restore all of our freedoms.
This normie thinking is going to leave you very disappointed, when it is inevitably proven false.

>>30300092
cringe

>>30300412
sneed

lol god we're so fucked aren't we

>>30301311
sneed