/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>30240611

I'm green faggot, maybe don't buy stocks with a p/e of 1000?

Just cash out while DXY is mooning

>>30240611
Unironically all in on NFTs right now which are the only thing that's green today.

Fuck the fed. I'd be up 50% today instead I'm only up 25%

>>30240611
is this good or bad for the job market

>>30240611
its gonna go up till 1,75%

>>30240611
BUT WHY?????
THIS CAN'T BE THE ONLY REASON

buy dollars with your crypto

>>30240817
dude do you know how much fear theres been in the market since the past year

wouldnt surprise me if richfags have just been getting out

>>30240817
I'm pretty sure it is.
It's on of the largest markets (long dated US treasuries) and people always look for relative value.
The average dividend yield of US stocks is literally almost below the 10y treasury yield.
That hasn't happened since 1999.
PM's and crypto gets cucked due to having 0 yield and due to institutions covering margin.

>>30240611
I have no idea what that is, explain?

>>30241174
If you don't know what a 10 year US treasury is and why it matters, then you probably shouldn't do any investing, seriously.

>>30240763
Not good except for the 1% of population.

>>30241320
I'm not from the US

>>30241708
Just know that when this % goes up, it competes/drains money away from all assets and investments (stocks, crypto, etc), making your investments fall in price.

Not to worry long term, as keeping the treasury % up too high crashes the entire economy, so the US Fed will be politically forced to buy everything and lower the % (like they always do), making everything inflationary, making all assets/investments go up.

This is what SHOULD happen, conventionally, but in my experience of 2020, I expect anything to happen.

>>30240727
Cash out into what? A bank? When we're on the verge of a banking crisis?

This is it, the game of musical chairs is stopping. Get your gold and silver or you're done for.

>>30242411
why do metalfags want us to buy silver so much? oh yes to pump their prices

>>30240611
cash>1-6 months pass>physical gold and silver

>>30242464
You buying doesn't pump the price. It takes silver out of circulation so paper derivatives can't deliver silver and default.

>>30242464
I don't think so, it only really goes down no matter how many people buy. Look at last year to see that in action.
I think it's coming from the same place, resisting the banks etc. but a kind of luddite version of it. After all, if it wasn't fiat or crypto it would be gold.
No harm in diversifying on a long like silver anyway, it's needed for all sorts of technology and medicine if nothing else.

>buy treasury notes
>2023
>US government rug pulls and goes bankrupt
>replaced with United Soviet States of America (USSA)
>Digital Dollar is the new currency
>all bonds are worthless, USD is worthless
>bugs: eaten

>>30240683
>maybe don't buy stocks with a p/e of 1000?
this

>>30242411
>we are on the verge of a banking crisis?
why?

>>30240758
Based.

Have 70% of my portfolio in NFTs too (started at 30%, growth is insane). I'll be pissed if stock losses offset the 1000% gains on NFTs tho

>>30240817
Have you ever bought a house or a car? Do you have any idea how a finance plan works for capital assets?

Lurk moar

>>30240727
cash out and buy Agriculture and Food Stocks, unironically. Maybe water Stocks

>>30242894

A large number of G-SIB equities are trading at less than 30%, sometimes less than 20% of book value.

Alasdair Macleod explains the situation in technical detail in his articles for GoldMoney, but this video will give you a summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TSWnSzSES0&ab_channel=HeresyFinancial

>>30242984
Give me some tickers, please anon. I'm sinking

>>30242464

>>30240611
Switching to the UST retard. Iykyk

>>30240611
What the fuck do I do? move USD into Yuan?

100x long Treasury futures then faggot. Everyone knows they will do YCC and bring this shit down with more printing and gibs. Infinite money glitch was unironically unlocked by the jewish character class. Your stonks and crypto are going to the moon over the summer, but so is the price of food.

>>30242411
good luck buying big macs with gold or silver.
fucking retard.

>>30242411
>He doesn't own a safe built into the floor that he's been filling with cash
Ngmi

>>30243077
sorry mate im somekind of a autist, so this will have to do, second page coming in a few seconds

>>30240611
Its time to let this thing crash, raise interest rates, make economies normal again.

>>30243077

>>30243266
Good luck buying any production from Asia with whom you have a colossal trade deficit without gold

>>30243222
Can they YCC the 10Y % into the negatives? We're already close to 0% so the Fed is running out of ammunition.

when the crash comes how much will crypto drop? I imagine it will crash along with everything else but hopefully less and recover faster?

>>30243443
Yields are already deeply negative in real terms; food is up 60% since the middle of last year and commodities even more so. CPI is a lie. Gold and silver manipulation are the last things remaining to hide the consequences of inflation and will be the last dominos to fall any day now.

>>30243545
crypto will decouple sooner or later, it'll drop but not as much as last time

also there'll be no crash

>>30243545
When Asia dumps the dollar and returns to gold crypto will immediately dump to an intrinsic value of zero.

>>30243443
CBDCs will give minute control over the plebs money supply/velocity. Money entropy built into your digital wallet will promote velocity and can be controlled on a miro level and can even be implemented differently depending on where in the country you are. This being the new cash makes a stable negative rate more attractive for large cash reserves.

TL;DR buy XRP

how can i hedge my portfolio (long crypto, commodities, stocks) against this?

Are divies stock screwd? I'm forced to hodl because I'm underwater :^(

>>30240611
I have 70k in my checking account right now what do

>>30244195
buy tobacco stonks for the incoming depression

>>30242929
What is an NFT?

>>30240611
Buy treasury bonds unironically

>>30244195
Buy GPUs and mine vertcoin.

>>30242182
wow based answer ty

>>30242182
Yeah, this is of course based on the assumption that the government DOESN'T want the economy to crash.

>>30245396
what possible incentive would the dems have to want that anon

>>30243344
Thank you, anon. I'll screencap this, and if it ends up saving me and my family I'll sing your praises forever.

>>30242182
is that pupper gonna be okay

>>30245884
Don't worry, he's still standing. He'll see through this.

>>30245769
just think about the following, people will need to eat and drink water and the infrastructure for both will be needed. so even in a bad crash and bullshit dollar milkshake high inflation whatever fuckery you should be less impacted.
IMO if they(the fed) don't announce YCC mid March they fuck crypto's and stock markets ass by -50%

>>30245769
>>30245999
so i suggest having atleast 25-35% of your folio into SOME of those stocks to survive the intial crash and maybe hold some physical PM's, i hate PM's as i think they are a outdated meme but for this specific eventuality just go for it with maybe 5% of your folio. keep the rest in risky assets (big tech, crypto, growth stocks)

>>30245396
If the economy esplodes will bitcoin have any value or should I be a metal faggot?

>>30245999
>>30246109
Thanks for the advice, anon. Take this ass as repayment.

>>30246224
neither metal nor bitcoin will save you in that case, can you eat Gold? Will you pay the rioting gangs Gold while the hold you at gunpoint for your last can of food or the Pig you just shot? In that doomer case you are better of with food&guns, assuming we just go into fucked up recession i can see PM's perform well, not so sure about meme internet money. i hold 200k+ crypto myself cashing out at around 500k for 100k and get into what i said above. Just to hedge against the possibility.

>>30244195
Just be yourself dude

>>30246224
No one knows, that's why I'm asking.
But I would be careful to have a lot of exposure to assets that have done 10x + in less than a year.
I'm staying diversified at the moment, I sold like 60 % of my crypto.
Holding some PAXG just for ease to gold exposure.
I also put a decent chunk into Asian stocks and some agriculture commodities, that's what I've figured out so far.

best case szenario is, the FED goes into YCC, the party goes on.
i will still hedge myself against the probability of what i said, but i'm paranoid as fuck so .... yea, take of my rambling what you find useful.

>>30246224
The opposite. The economy will boom after the covid openings. Probably the biggest boom in modern history. People have hoarded tons of money waiting to invest. The market is experiencing problems adjusting to the quick changes.

>>30246518
>FED goes into YCC, the party goes on
They probably will, but that will fucking kill the stock market for at least a decade.
Look at what happened to Japan when they did YCC or Europe when the rates were kept -0,75 to 1.00.
Returns dies, and especially the banking sector gets fucked hard if they do YCC.

>>30243545
When the whales in crypto need fast liquidity during the crash, crypto will likely plummet to the bottom. The panicking small fish will cause a further crash as they try to exit before the bottom.

>>30244195
>70k in my checking

nigger wtf are you expecting to buy

>>30246526
this might actually be very true which puts the yield curve into a massive positive slope and therefore (Without yield curve control) rising interest rates, this should crash equities, commodities and our precious meme internet money. the recent spike is a warning sign IMO

>>30243282
>>30243344
You're a good guy, anon. I don't care what anyone says.

>>30246837
Of course its true. the economic boom is inevitable. The market just doesnt know how to properly account for it, yet. Has the stock market already priced it in? Are rates getting ahead of themselves? Noone knows at this point.

i'm pretty worried about the YCC its failing in Australia

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/australias-yield-curve-control-verge-collapse?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29

>>30247036
JUST TELL ME MY 4% MUTUAL FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE OK FOR CHRIST STEAKS!

>>30247107
Australia needs a credit line from JPOW, otherwise the Aussie bank is too small to overpower the Chinese shorting

>>30247122
Don't worry dude. Just be yourself.

>>30247208
whew

>>30241320
If you don't know how to plumb a house then you shouldn't be wiping your ass, punk.

>>30244195
Guns, ammo, food, water, medical supplies

>>30247387
>a-any day now!
>t-two more weeks!
>y-you'll be s-sorry
lmao you doomers are ALWAYS wrong. They will NEVER let their casino fall apart, never.

>>30243945
Physical precious metals

>>30243675
Literally who? I trust Schwab with my money more than this boomer

>>30245939
underrated

Anyone know how they calculate the infamous 1.50 % ? I'm guessing the formula should have the country's debt total and the GDP in it too.

I'd love to do this calculation for other countries

>>30240611
Literally a nothing-burger until it breaks over inflation threshold.

>>30240611
you cant hide if bought high priced momentum stocks

>retard

I've doubled money in the past 9 months by investing in XOM and RDS but that opportunity is gone.

enjoy your shit judgment

>>30240683
ha imagine being such a fucking boomer that you buy stock with a positive P/E. I only buy stocks that lose money hand over fist.

>>30244195
PHYS, PSLV, GDX, SIL.

>>30247818
they fall for it every single time too. it's honestly impressive at this point

>>30250361
And then it's...

>Just because I've been wrong 200 times before doesn't mean I'm wrong this time

>>30243222
They won't yield curve control. If they do that then we get runaway inflation.

>>30248074
i think they do bids/auction type things

>>30250995
Australia
Japan
Switzerland

The U.S. is behind the ball compared to other Developed central banks

I don't think Canada has YCC yet but they're ahead on UBI so toss up desu

>>30251181
Didn't Australia's YCC stop working until they poured more goybux into it?

>>30247862
>Literally who? I trust Schwab with my money more than this boomer

>>30245884
he just a little bit thin, he just eats some good food

>>30251451

>>30240763
for the job market it's good

>>30247122
if we have runaway inflation then you're fucked. But jpow won't let that happen

>>30249065
I invested in square and made 5x my money. It could drop 50% and I woulda still made more than you haha

Bond bros this is it wgmi

zoom out faggots it was 3% a few years ago. literally nothingburger.

>>30245737
To set up their commun... I'm mean "democratic socialist" state.

>>30249868
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>30242182
The government will do everything on its power to lower this because every 100 bps of treasury increase has enormous costs in terms of debt service for the federal ledger