/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>30068773
explain

>>30068773
those 'art' avatar things are exclusively used by subhumans though

more like normie test

>>30068804
They see value in bitcoin but an incapable of seeing value in art.

>>30069066
I see value in art
I don't see value in a digital token that's supposed to be linked to a specific artwork although nobody can explain how

>paying 30 eth for a jpeg
ngmi

>>30069537
Blockchain noob

>>30069537
If you see value in buying a physical painting you like why can't you see value in buying the original of a digital painting you like?

Autism.

>>30069960
>digital painting

>>30069537
algorithmically generated art that spit out rare mints are where the values at, you can figure out the rest

>>30070091
>digital currency

Lmao I don't get this bitcoin shit it's not real, gold is physical it's real and has value. Bitcoin is tulip bulbs it's just some numbers on a screen and doesn't exist

>>30069960
how am I supposed to know what "the original" is of a .png that can be losslessly copied?

>>30069960
>original of a jpg
Shill need to rework their selling points, focus on ownership or copyrights or something like that instead

>>30070213
>gold is physical it's real and has value
You can't eat gold retard, it's worthless. Bitcoin is the future old man

>>30068773
OP, allow me to explain NFT art to you:
>people create it to launder money, unique asset means you don't need work, cost, risk of market manipulation
>other people see the big numbers, start trading their own NFTs back and forth to boost price hoping a whale buys it - not realizing the whales are just laundering stolen money
>absolute monkey-tier retards see this and start actually paying for NFT art because they think rich people actually want them

>>30070213
cope
there's a limited number of bitcones, therefore you can use them as currency
there's no limit to the amount of random tokens that someone can claim to be linked to any digital artwork
if you want to claim one of those as the "real" one then you need a central authority

>>30069960
I can hang a Picasso in my house and not have every nigger on 4chan screenshot it and put it up in their virtual homes

>>30069960
because you can make infinite copies of these "digital """"paintings"""""

>>30070216
You would post your wallet address holding the token (non-fungible token) and say it's yours.

You would verify it's your wallet the same way as normal crypto, either send a specified transaction amount to it or move the NFT to another wallet and back.

>>30069960
What should I do with it then? Set it as my screensaver?

>>30068773
>NFTs
You're doing it wrong, check out OMI which actually has licensed merch

I've made 10 grand this month selling my digital art. I've got commissions for physical pieces from 2 buyers, 2 eth each. I'm sold out on NFTs and making more. This shit has democratized the art world for artists and given them a path to a comfortable life. It's about time.

>>30070360
Bitcoin is not your only hold, there is no limit to the amount of cryptocurrencies.

>>30070485
Shhhhhh

>>30069960
you can do something with a physical painting. hang it in your home. it affects the atmosphere of your home and adds beauty and depth. wtf are you going to do with a digital one? keep it up on your desktop? NFT art is literally so dumb. i can maybe see it working for super exclusive music or porn. but those 16 bit faces are fucking retarded

>>30070376
And no one will fucking see it. Meanwhile you've got multiple billionaires buying cryptopunks for the twitter avatar flex. Digital life is evolving. You spend more time staring at screens or blank walls?

>>30068773
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
NONE OF US HERE CAN MAKE MONEY ON NFTS
IM NOT BUYING A PICTURE OF A NIGGER WHEN I CAN BUY THE REAL NIGGER ON AFTER-AFTER MARKET HOURS
I HAVE LITERALLY 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS RIGHT NOW HOW THE FUCK CAN I MAKE MONEY ON NFTS
BUY SOME SHITSTAIN CRYPTOMASK AND SELL IT BACK?
SELL IT BACK TO WHO NIGGERRRR ITTSS ALL WASH TRADING
THE FIRST SALE IS THE NFT OWNER THAT SELLS IT TO HIS BUDDY FOR 6 GORILLION
THEN THE 2ND SALE IS FOR 100K$
THEN SOME SCHMUCK LIKE YOU BUYS IT BACK FOR 300K OH WHAT A DEAL
WELL GOOD LUCK FINDING A BUYER FOR THAT SHIT NIGGERRR
IF YOU FIND ONE YOU WERE JUST LUCKY
NO ONE CAN GUARANTEE THIS NIGGER IN PIC RELATED IS GOING TO BE WORTH ANYTHING ONCE THESE CRYPTOMASK NIGGERS BECOME LITERALLY WHO

>>30069960
original paintings take effort to copy, and the forgeries are discernibly different from the originals
this is not true of digital art - the art is identical, the only difference is the token itself. you are saying the token has value because the token has value. tautology is a tautology.

>>30070356
>You can't eat gold retard
what is with this low IQ nigger argument I keep seeing? you couldn't eat fucking gold in the 1800s but that didn't stop it from being traded for things you can eat, land you can grow food on, and animals... fucking retarded. meanwhile bitcoin wont even work in any collapse scenario because ''miners''' will all be gone lmfao

>>30069960
NFTs can work but I don't really see paintings, graphics etc as a profitable niche. Music and digital merch on the other hand....

>>30070454
Sure I don't dispute that you can prove that you own a specific NFT. But if there's 2 people who both claim to own the NFT for pic related, how do you know which one is the real one? How do you even know those NFTs belong to pic related in the first place?

NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT WHAT YOU TECHNICALLY OWN, ESPECIALLY DIGITAL ARTWORK (LMFAO). NFTS BTFO.

>>30070360
bitcoin can be and has been cloned endlessly though, and it does take away from its marketcap, the only thing that can create gold is a dying star and billions of years to get here

>>30070506
Where are you selling them? Im an artist

>>30070639
How do you verify the original of a physical work? Have forgeries ever been put up in museums by mistake?

It's trivial to verify both the original and ownership of an NFT.

>>30068773
Is there a nifty pepe or wojack?

>>30070506
I await the democratic hentai marketplace where I can throw eth at japs to draw characters from decades past

>>30070506
>physical pieces
>physical pieces
>physical pieces
nigger please tell me how NFTs added any value to your artist life
i swear to fucking god all these artist niggers are larps what the fuck are you even doing on this board

>>30070600
COPE. I could make any crypto punk my Twitter profile picture in less than two minutes for the cost of electricity of a single google search.

>>30070764
>>30070536
read the whitepaper retards

>>30070874
>whitepaper

>>30070912
>NOOOOO NOT MY HECKIN SATOSHERINOOO NAKAMOTERINOOOOOOO

>>30070732
this
if an organization issues NFTs for some specific purpose (concert tickets, lottery tickets, royalty payments) they can obviously verify whether they issued the NFT
if you're selling NFT art I can just copy/paste the art and make 10,000,000 NFTs of the art with no discernible difference between the art itself

>>30070852
ok do it and post your wallet to prove you own it

>>30068773
I have the same respect for art collectables as I have for NFTs.
None.

>>30070768
Rarible, but dont mint your very best work there, send an application to SuperRare, Makers Place, Nifty Gateway, or Known Origin. Expect high gas fees. You HAVE to be active in the community on twitter to make sales. I hate being social as much as anyone, but you won't get far without it.

>>30070773
>How do you verify the original of a physical work?
have an expert examine it
>It's trivial to verify both the original and ownership of an NFT.
but the thing being "verified" is inherently worthless as it can be copied an infinite amount of times with zero effort

>>30070990
You can just upload that exact same jpeg to rarible and now you “own” it. You’re not actually this dumb right anon?

>>30070732
>>30070962
valid point, this whole nft art is one big scam it seems.

>>30070732
The token includes a link to the original work and details of the creator. It would link to the page on the artist's site and show it was minted by their wallet.

pic related would never have value because you can't verify the original artist because it's an old meme

>>30070852
Yeah? And someone's gonna pay you a million for It? Cryptopunks were the first NFTs. They're art history. There are a boatload of people that think they're more clever, just like you, doing just that. No one pays them shit.

WRONG! NFTs are the next moon. If you don't have a bag of SOTA you are about to miss the ship

>>30070962
Do you not know how crypto works? The NFT is just to verify ownership of the piece; anyone can check the creator/artist right at the point of sell and see if it is authentic by looking at the contract address. The contracts are made to retain and always show the original creator. If you mint it again, it will show you as the creator and it will lose its transaction history (which is where the value comes in)

>>30071164
You don't understand how the blockchain works. You're as dumb as people who don't understand bitcoin.

Your token on rarible would not have been minted by the original cryptopunks wallet. It's the same reason you can't steal someone's code of github and pretend you wrote it at an earlier date.

>>30069960
Here's my NFT bro

pay me 10 ETH for it!

>>30071122
Thanks! How big is your following and what kind of art do you do? And do you pay gas fees to host the art or is it once the art is bought? Very new to this, much appreciated.

>>30071216
>Cryptopunks were the first NFTs. They're art history.
>first NFTs
>first NFTs
>first NFTs
>first NFTs
>first NFTs
>first NFTs

do these anons questioning the provenance of an original nft understand how a blockchain works? you can look in the transaction to see whether it came from the artist’s wallet or is just a copy

>>30071368
This is why I think it's an autism test. The irony isn't lost on my that they post about crypto all day and have no clue how it works

>>30071192
>>30071216
>>30071298
>>30071300
>NFTs are valuable because they are valuable
fuck off retards
>>30071300
>copy/pastes jpeg and just put myself as the creator
nothing personnel, kid

WHY ARE NIGGERS HERE HAVING THE MOST DUMB SHIT ARGUMENT
WHY THE FUCK IS BIZ LITERALLY COLLECTIVELY HAVE 7 IQ
NIGGERS WE GET IT
THE NFTS ARE UNIQUE AND VERIFIABLE
CONVINCE ME RIGHT FUCKING NOW WHY THESE CRYPTO NIGGERS HAVE ANY KIND OF VALUE BESIDES OF FAKE DEMAND
DID ANY OF YOU NIGGERS ACTUALLY BUY AN NFT FOR 5 ETH AND SELL IT BACK FOR 50 OR ARE YOU ALL JUST FAT LARPING NIGGEEEEERRRRRSSSSSSSS

>>30070840
Physical pieces are 2 of my 20 sales. Dont be bitter. There's still time.

>>30071122
How hard is it to get verified on rarible, is it necessary? How much of a Twitter following did you have to build before you started to see any sort of reyurn?

basically this is just a way for rich people to throw their money around, and the chance of them picking a NFT made in 2021 is very low.

>>30071192
>The token includes a link to the original work and details of the creator.
Guess what anyone can make a new token that ALSO includes a link to the original artwork and details of the creator.
>It would link to the page on the artist's site and show it was minted by their wallet.
Lmao. Finally, the monkey comes out of the sleeve. So what you're actually saying is you need a central authority to say that an NFT is the "real" one. And this requires a decentralized trustless blockchain why again?

>>30071436
Art has value whether you think it does or not.

We know this because people pay for it. Unironically get assessed for autism.

>>30071298
I literally own the most expensive crypto punk in the world. It’s no Twitter profile pic but here it is desu. And no I’m not gonna post my wallet to show that I own it because niggers will guess my seed phrase. If you don’t understand that it’s a clever way to launder money and a few minor use cases. See Mavericks tickets. NGMI

>>30071443
WTF does dont be bitter mean, i'll sponsor you right now and ask you for 50% of your sales, is that how it works? as someone with 0 art skill but 6 digits in my bank account how the fuck can i profit from this?

>>30069066
I really am incapable of that ngl

>>30071436
see >>30071360
VCs are shilling probably

>>30069960
The original is on the computer of the "artist". The copy you have is a copy, and it may not even be lossless.

>>30070216
who fucking cares. you can view the art, why do you need it to be "yours"?
>>30069744
/thread

>>30069066
>take screenshot
>post on the internet
>your stupid NFT """""art""""" now has no value

>>30071579
i can see the value in art. but this shit isn't art. it's just as much art as the other kike shit they push out these days to degrade humanity. real art is long dead, this literal monkey nigger shit is of no value.

>>30071216
Lurk more. Kek you don’t even know about cryptokitties

>>30071553
>most expensive crypto punk
Are you implying that you bought this for 1.2 million?
>guess my seed phrase
Are you serious or just having a laugh? No one here will believe you until you post proof

>>30071534
You can't just link to the original artist. When you create the token you sign it with your wallet, you can't just put someone else's name

>>30071553
>And no I’m not gonna post my wallet
kek, this is the equivalent of someone coping after they get told to "post body" on /fit/

>>30070213
If I see the tulip argument one more time I will kill myself. I hold 0 Bitcoin. I think that BTC itself is massively overvalued. But, since I am not retarded, I am able to recognize the value that the technology (a public consensus ledger) provides. There's a difference.

>>30071760
What does he gain by having the token if he already has the image?

I admit it, I really don't get it. Normies are a complete mystery.

>>30071322
Following is a few hundred, don't want to be more specific here than to say digital illustration. You pay the gas fees to "mint" the piece, and as long as you list it for sale, not bidding, that's the last you pay. Gas fluctuates throughout the day, so time it and you can mint for 30 or less. The community is super welcoming, join the Twitter circles and you will have all the help you need to start. I started getting private buyers and commissions after my first few sales.

>>30071482
Not hard at all to be verified on rarible, I think it's just an email verification, no application process. I started with no Twitter. It does not take much to move up if your work is any good and you're active. Be very encouraging. Retreat artists work. Host a thread that tells artists to post their work and you'll buy one piece at the end of the day. Eat the 100 bucks it costs to do so and enjoy the 600 followers you picked up overnight. The space is hot and the bar is low. Be good and be enthusiastic and you'll see results.

>>30071719

I just think NFTs are a shitty product

>>30071725
And how do you know it was signed by the original artist? In your scenario, the artist acts as the central authority. Again, no need for a decentralized trustless ledger to keep track of things since you can just have a database maintained by the artist.

>>30071602
its fucking retarded anon, but as someone with money i have 0 way to profit from this
cryptoniggers or maskniggers were just extremely lucky hits from indie niggers with """"""art""""" skills (they look like SHIT)
if i were an artist i'd probably ride this wave, but i'm no artist and i'm not spending my time looking for artists that i can pimp for dollars so that MAYBE SOME OF THEM will sell their art, this NFT craze might work now but it's already getting saturated and good luck to anyone trying to sell a cryptonigger by next quarter

>>30071578
You can be a curator. Buy quality art and resell for a higher price. Curators are beloved. Or buy into an NFTX fund.

>>30071298
>Your token on rarible would not have been minted by the original cryptopunks wallet.
That doesn't matter, because nobody will care about cryptopunks in a year. Once the hype wears off people will realize that verifiably "original" dogshit indie game pixel art is still dogshit indie game pixel art.
NFTs have genuinely useful applications, art isn't one of them. It's possible that some of the NFT art from famous artists will hold its value or even appreciate over time, but all the stuff being made by nobodies to cash in on the fad is going to zero.

>>30071906
dude put this pic on the blockchain and i'll pay 3 eth for it

>>30071578
No one has asked me for anything but gas fees, anon. This is a change in culture.

>>30071844
You're almost there anon, keep using your brain!
What would be the point of verifying you own something? Think really hard this time!

>>30071868
>>30071924
I feel the same way about fucking cards. I don't care how much they're worth I would feel absolutely retarded having so much value in a paper card. At that point I'll just buy gold bars if I want something physical.

>>30068773
the fall of crypto

>>30071953
>Buy quality art and resell for a higher price.
this is a cope, risky, and absolutely does not guarantee me any Return on investment
it's a 100% literally wash trading and scamming people
see >>30070618
>THE FIRST SALE IS THE NFT OWNER THAT SELLS IT TO HIS BUDDY FOR 6 GORILLION
>THEN THE 2ND SALE IS FOR 100K$
>THEN SOME SCHMUCK LIKE YOU BUYS IT BACK FOR 300K OH WHAT A DEAL
>WELL GOOD LUCK FINDING A BUYER FOR THAT SHIT NIGGERRR

>>30071700
Cryptopunks pre-date cryptokitties by months. They predate the chain NFTs are minted on, including cryptokitties.

>>30072048
He already owns it retard

>>30071546
ok except the value isn't coming from the art, it's coming from the NFT
the guy below you posted a .png that is completely indiscernible from a million-dollar NFT

the fact every single argument reduces to "NFTs are valuable because they are valuable" proves this is a retard-tier asset bubble

>>30071872
Thanks. I am a videographer and there doesn't really seem to be many if anyone putting video pieces on there. I have already spent like $400 on gas minting items, but desu it's less than I'd pay to exhibit work or rent for a gallery. I've picked up a few followers by just being active, the purchase thing is a great idea. I do agree that this has the potential to democratize the art world or at the very least get less exposed artists into the hands of art traders

I see value in selling it to suckers but anyone buying it here are retarded

>>30071978
this anon literally thinks exactly the same way as i do
>>30071950
thank you for not being braindead

>>30072048
Other than selling it to another mouth breathing retard there is no function. It’s not rare. At best it’s a jpeg you can get mad at people for posting. Refer to >>30071906

>>30071872
You are a Godsend for telling me this info. Also how the fuck are you able to sell up to 10k a month worth of art with just a few hundred followers on twitter? Thats actually pretty amazing, is your advertising all from twitter alone? Have you tried showing off your work on Instagram?

i think for art like paintings and such doesn't interests me, but for something like music its pretty cool.

hey look i found a cool NFT.

kek

https://app.rarible.com/token/0xd07dc4262bcdbf85190c01c996b4c06a461d2430:160983:0xbd4ce8c1100e4644a3f9b93b3cb3be926aee7bbd

>find some artist's portoflio page/instagram who hasn't heard of NFT bullshit yet
>copy his shit and post in on blockchain as your own

Free money here I come

>>30071216
>art history

>>30072283

>>30072078
Okay, well, I guess you'll just have to miss it, anon. It's coming along with or without your money.

>>30072151
There are very few and places like SuperRare are snapping them up. Don't wait, anon. Start right now.

>>30072274
My god artists can just be making free ass money right now.

>>30072336
You can make money off it while still thinking it's stupid. I bought NFTX early on despite hating most NFT art stuff.

>>30072100
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT
NFTS EXISTED SINCE 2017

SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT YOUR 40% NIGGERINO CRYPTO PIXELS THEY ARE NOT THE FIRST NFTS IN THE WORLD

>>30072283
This is actually intertesting, I wonder if you can get copywrite sued for this. I guess if you sell it anonymously its possible.

waifusion.sexy

He didn't buy the next cryptopunks (waifus)

>>30071949
The artist is not the central authority. You have no interaction with the artist ever. The public ledger entry from your transaction will show that the token transfered to you has, in its contract, the original artist signature and file data. Therefore, the data that proves the original artist is in that public decentralized ledger. It's integral to the token itself. You are basically creating a new etherium token for each art piece. You would verify the artist the same way you would verify any cryptocurrency transaction: follow the ledger.

>>30072475
But what if this happens? >>30072283
The signature could say it's the original artist, but in reality it's not

>>30072459
Swap your earned ETH for XMR and no one will get you

>>30072475
>the original artist signature
And if there are two people who both have an NFT of the same artwork but with a different artist signature, how do you verify which one of them is "the original artist signature"?

>>30072475
how do you know the artist actual created it and isn't just doing this: >>30072283
ultimately you are just paying a guy for uploading a jpeg, but treating some jpeg uploaders like they are better at it

>I'm somewhat of an art collector myself, I paid a guy who paid a guy who paid a guy who uploaded a jpeg

>>30071868
Normies aren't buying these, millionaires and billionaires are.

>>30068773
The NFT hype has just begun. I am following all legit projects and the ChainGuardians IDO on Polkastarter was extended 24 hours more. Don't sleep on it frens

>>30072215
It's no problem anon, happy to help. Twitter, Instagram, Discord. It's exhausting. But the networking is insane, you won't believe the people you meet. Like I said, I've a few sales and publicized them, and I started getting DM's from private collectors for commissions, physical pieces, etc. If you get into a major marketplace like SuperRare, you won't need them. Definitely start by minting some work on rarible or opensea, though-- but not your 3 very best. Those get submitted to a marketplace. Get involved now while even the /biz/residents are ignorant of what is going on, and you should do very well I'm the coming wave. Go to Google trends and search NFT, sort by all time, or by year. Good luck.

>>30072326
Miss it, then.

>>30072703
millionaires and billionaires are buying them from themselves to launder money
the fun part about public blockchains is that you can look as the wallets of both parties - lots of the money flowing into million-dollar NFTs is from exit scams and darknet exchanges

>>30072453
Cryptopunks are from 2017. Get a grip, anon, calm down.

>>30072789
It's historical, in the same way early forum avatars would be. But it's not good art, it's shitty pixel faces.

>>30072599
Same way you'd verify the situation in real life: ask the artist who they sold it to or follow the ledger. Failing that, it would be which one came first.
>>30072545
Nothing, same as what's stopping you from selling an unknown artists' stuff on Etsy or some shit. Any platform selling these will comply with DMCA and copyright takedown requests.

>>30072966
>Any platform selling these will comply with DMCA and copyright takedown requests.

>>30072703
I don't believe that any sane person is buying this shit. I think it's some money laundering scheme. I can't wrap my head around it.
However, I could see it working with physical art. Let's say I sell you a painting that has some QR code or whatever that could be connected to the blockchain to confirm if it's legit. But buying jpegs? Ludicrous lol

>>30072727
Thank you! Also whats the difference between a "major marketplace" like superrare and something like rarible or opensea you mentioned? Why not just sell on superrare from the start?

bought keyTango NFT on bondly a few days ago and feel so fucking bullish cuz investors of it are huge

holy shit so this is how NFTards think? yeah i'm thinking i was right

>>30072993
It's already happened and is an integral part of IPFS (the ability to recall data if need be)

>>30073010
You have to apply to SuperRare. It takes a month, and its hard to get in. Selling se on rarible in the meanwhile ensures you don't miss profits and networking while they have you waiting on the hook.

Also, why is NFT so hyped here all of a sudden? I was here all day yesterday and no one cared about it that much. Is some scam going on?

Unrelated, but there’s a bee in my room and we chillin

>>30073107
It will work for some people, but most artists won't be able to prove their work was stolen.

>>30073135
Ah, makes sense. Well I appreciate the help and best of luck to you! As a broke NEET artist I now feel like Ive stumbled on something that can possibly change my life.

>>30073168
>Also, why is NFT so hyped here all of a sudden?
They're hyped in general right now, but also big money people shilling them to force the trend.

>>30073175
Yes, but that is an age old issue. Protect ya neck.

>>30073238
As a former broke need artist believe me when I tell you that it absolutely can.

>>30069960
because unlike physical objects digital can be perfectly copied with no cost you stupid fuckwitted retard lmao

>>30073168
Elons retarded wife made some money of NFT's selling her menstrual paintings some of elons dried jizz

aavegotchis are the future!

>>30073168
Everyone loaded their bags and now it's time for takeoff

>>30073352
NEET*

>>30073401
Elon probably bought them himself

>>30073387
This. Not saying NFTs have no use or you can't make money off them, but shills need to rethink that argument

>>30072789
Don't mind if I do. Just because someone made something and a bunch of people fell for the scam, doesn't make it art.

>>30072966
>Any platform selling these will comply with DMCA and copyright takedown requests.
Blockchains can't comply with DMCA requests. That's part of their value. You can take NFTs off centralized platforms, but once they're getting traded on decentralized platforms they can't be stopped.

>>30073477
Dubs confirm

>>30068773
I just created my own NFT artwork. This screenshot here of an NFT is my NFT artwork.

>>30068773
You're right, I don't get it. What's the point of NFTs? What's the difference between having an NFT of a .jpeg vs just having a .jpeg file saved without NFT verifying "ownership"?
This is something we used to joke about years ago with "rare pepes". The whole idea of owning a digital image file is ridiculous.

>>30073168
I don't know anon, surely nobody is trying to create a fake market to harvest eth? It really astonishes me that people spend years on this board throwing eth at any rakesh who gives them a (You). All you have to do is stack btc eth and something else of your choice. Stop constantly buying into flea market dreck which is designed to take your blue chips.

>>30069960
>digital painting
you mean a .png file? The difference is I can't just copy/paste the mona lisa and have infinite copies of that painting.

>>30073839
It's hilarious, rare pepes are actually worth a ton now. See >>30072907

This digital art shit seems like a fad that will go away soon. I could see NFTs working as rare multiplayer game items or some legal contracts/agreements.

>>30073908
And even if you could, the copies wouldn't be the physical object touched by da Vinci with all the history behind it.
>>30073954
Yeah something like that could be cool. Or an NFT you could share across games on top of that.

NFTs are dope but only for the correct use cases. Digital artwork doesn't work well because it's infinitely reproducible.

But image if gucci or rick owens started to include NFTs attached to a piece of clothing. then that would help destroy the fake market because now fakes can be easily verified as false. If you dont have the NFT your clothes is fake

>>30073727
Meta. Would probably sell if you weren't too bitter to list it.

>>30071368
What's the difference between an "original" and a "copy" of a purely digital code? What do I gain by having "ownership" of an image file vs just having an image file saved on my computer?

>>30068773
Cryptopunks are a scam. NFT is a content delivery platform. Airdropped content will replace patreon, youtube, twitter and all your drops will appear in your wallet. Do not buy art, buy tickets to content.

>>30074064
Digital fashion is already taking off. Lot of the big houses are already on board with NFTs in several capacities. /biz/ is too STEM to see the forest for the trees.

>>30074094
This sounds cool actually

>>30073954
Yeah, the only context I can see NFTs working is for things like in-game items and as a base layer to verify whether or not you have a license to play digital download games like on steam. But this "I own this .jpeg of a crypto kitty" shit makes no sense.

You are all stupid here. Instead of arguing about whether or not NFT is crap, you better focus on finding the next NFT CryptoPunks that will make you rich.

>>30073727
i may not know art, but i know what i like
and i like this

>>30073839
>>30073917
I don't get it either. You can just take a screenshot of any picture.

>>30074270
is there literally anything you won't simp for retard?

>>30074378
What simping are you referring to?

>>30068773
Selling picrel, 1 efferium. It's my original art, no copying please.

>>30074371
>>30074073
>>30073727
See?

>>30074064
yeah that's a good idea

>>30074415
>omg I love this video I can't wait to give you $20 a month and have you say my name at the end of your next video omggggggg
>dude patreon lets me give retards my money so they say my name yes!!!!
>omg I love simpppping!!!!!!

>>30074423
It's an old quote
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=i+may+not+know+art%2C+but+i+know+what+i+like

>>30074377
honestly the real reason will probably be money laundering, just like how the real world art market works. Nobody actually gives a shit about any of the paintings that are allegedly worth millions. They just manipulate pieces of trash to claim they're worth gorillions so they can donate them and claim a massive tax write-off. Doing it with bullshit NFT .pngs sounds like it'd be the same thing but streamlined and no need to deal with pesky IRL objects.

>>30074277
It's useful for access control in general, not just for games. The problem is that when the thing you're controlling access to is just a file, whether it's an image, audio, video, text, whatever, it's trivial to copy it and the NFT is just a particularly weak form of DRM.

>>30074523
I don't do that. Here's some advice for anybody who does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP1pmL-fNPQ

>>30074422
>BRAAAAAAAAP

>>30074561
Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. I can see use-cases when the NFT is a representation of something in the real-world, but when it's purely just a data file, as with crypto "art", it just feels emperor-has-no-clothes to me.

I feel like a better use case for NFTs would be for things like titles/deeds/birth certificates so you don't need to keep precious slips of paper to prove identity/ownership, and if you lose those slips of paper you're fucked.

>>30069066
>"art"

>>30070764
the universe is infinite, and thereby the amount of gold in the universe is infinite
what isn't infinite is bitcoin as there's only 21 million of them

>>30074526
I know. Applies here, though.

>>30068773
>/biz/ is failing it, btw
Ok but how can i invest in it? Not much out there...??

>>30074754
This. Yeah it will be cool when mark cuban puts Mavericks tickets on rarible but buying a jpeg you can get from google images is pants on head retarded

>>30074754
Recreating a painting perfectly and exactly is essentially impossible. Recreating a digital file is almost instantaneous and a click of a button away.

>>30074541
The fact that nobody else is talking about this makes me think bizraelis are dumber than I thought.

>>30072463
>waifusion.sexy
I'm glad that dokidoki.finance failed. I won't fall for this shit anymore.

Guys, NFTs are valuable, because it's scarce and it looks cool, same as any art.
Think of MTG cards, the only difference here is that you actually use those cards for the game, but the art world is more complicated than that and there is value in aesthetics and pleasure that a piece of art gives to viewers. Of course you could print Black Lotus (a mtg card that costs thousands of dollars) at home, but no one will take it seriously, since it isn't legit, it has no value and anyone could do it. There will be a demand, because people like to own things. Just imagine that you own a Pepe image, you could make a projection in your penthouse and show it to your friends at cocktail parties. And it's yours, you could prove it with blockchain.

>>30068773
Not touching that shit, they will all be worthless in a few months.

>>30074762
>"art"
>"fart"

>>30075017
>scarce
they're not scarce, they're just image files that can be copied infinitely. Whether or not I officially "own" an image file means nothing

>think of MTG cards
the difference is I can't just print out pictures of MTG cards and use those instead of legitimate ones.

>>30073727
New drop, freshly minted, starting bid 10 efferium.

>>30071553
i can literally look up who owns it right now fucking retard

>>30070454
How is that any different than having a piece of paper that says the Mona Lisa is yours?

>>30075219
Double meta.

>>30068773
It is literally for money laundering.

>>30075017
>Think of MTG cards, the only difference here is that you actually use those cards for the game
>you actually use those cards for the game
Exactly, there's a use. It's also a physical object with history behind it.

Maybe if they come out with stuff that lets you display only NFTs you own, like the projection in the penthouse thing, or do something else with them, it would be worthwhile. But at the same time, you would have to make sure people couldn't just create their own new NFT with the exact image to get around that.

>>30075017
No one will care about the authenticity of a digital file such as some rare Pepe or whatever bs you might buy.
In the case of playing cards, I could see the physical cards being connected to blockchain where a simple QR scanner could verify that it's a legit card.

>>30073954
>I could see NFTs working as rare multiplayer game items or some legal contracts/agreements.
yes the current art NFTs are a meme and money laundering but NFT technology will be big in the coming decades for digital ownership

I do anime porn commissions. Is there any NFT platform that allows such content? What about /d/ and loli?

>>30075219
I like it, it has a certain je ne sais quoi

>>30072727
Hey man, I'm a small artist who doesn't have much of an online presence at all...how do I get started? What communities do I need to break into? What discord servers etc.

>>30075388
taht depends. post your work

NFT are literally 4chan reaction gifs for normies in some wacky yu gi oh kind of a spin for zoomers

I would honestly never bother and even though it will probably blow up cause clown world (I'm very sure it will in some way) I am not putting a penny into making this a thing

>>30075418
Twitter is the big one. You'll get discord/clubhouse invites from there. Literally search NFT on twitter, and just go nuts adding people and exploring. Be generous with your comments and retweets. You'll get more connections than your degree got you, if you got one. It's absolutely wild.

>>30075221
Holy fuck. >>30071906

>>30075219
Not so fast... I'm selling this... starting bid 25 schmeckles.

>>30075749
wtf this isn't the original, I made that

The only value inherent in an NFT is if you're capable of convincing someone more retarded than you that they could somehow make a profit on buying it off you.

>>30075404
>>30075749
Hot drop incoming, can you feel the paradigm shift yet boys? The jpegs of tomorrow, today.

>>30075749
>>30075848
here's another NFT that will sell for one Googolplex.

Does it cost anything to put your shit there?

>>30076263
gas to mint i think

>>30075477
I might once I get home. I'm looking for something with artistic freedom similar to Pixiv if that exists yet.

>>30068773
>>30075219
>>30075404
>>30075749
>>30076140
>>30076190
I just farted what does this mean

>>30076263
You need to pay for gas, so usually it ends up being about $70 per item

>>30076523
you got a twitter nigga

>>30076524
it's the first step towards freedom and enlightenment.

So you're saying a system finally exists that allows users to trade rare pepes?

Why do we hate this again?

>>30070359
I don't even know what NFT is but I know this is correct.
All art with any price tag, at any auction, is money laundering.

>>30076728
Pepes should be free

>>30076840
Maybe common and uncommon pepes but mythic rare pepes need to be hoarded and controlled.

>>30076728
only like 10% of people are opportunists

>>30076895
Perhaps you're right, those pepes were never meant for the masses

Anon I initially thought NFT was retarded. Actually most of NFT is still retarded, but cryptopunks will have lasting power. You know something is valuable when people start copying you. How do you go about deciding if a punk is valuable or not? I've read about the difference types, attributes and number of attributes. Are there any punks on sale right now that represent good value for money?

I made an NFT and i hope that someone will throw any money at it. I did it mostly to be apart of this art thing that will have an impact on the industry.

https://app.rarible.com/token/0x60f80121c31a0d46b5279700f9df786054aa5ee5:235456:0x94665ce57df34fd4465ca517b8e502773e05657a

>>30077121
forgot the image oops

>>30077206
they only give you 10%? jesus that's highway robbery.

>https://app.rarible.com/token/0x151ea7a71594e19b4d08c2ba45600963485cd3c2:12
just be really good at blender and you can make bank

>>30076140
Here it is bros, the future of art. And now you can own it in NFT form.
https://app.rarible.com/token/0x60f80121c31a0d46b5279700f9df786054aa5ee5:235738:0xbbfe30a28485a8bb1bc26c28c518497f2763d502

>>30068915

>based

>>30077271
nah that's secondary sales royalty. I make the original amount and then if the collector wants to sell off that token I make 10% of that sale too

>>30077121
>>30077206
TrASSh

>>30068773
so let me get this straight
> open gimp
> spend ten minutes making shitty pixel art
> post on Rarible
> get .5 ETH
it can't be that simple can it?

>>30077206
Mine now, thanks, faggot

>>30077364
It's funny because an art fag would say that this adds to the discussion of the NFT space and thus is art in it of itself. It's meta or whatever lmao

>>30076982
Any floor punk, especially with higher numbers of attributes, is a good deal. Females are better than males. "Albino" is not a listed traits, but they're the really white ones, and they're valued higher. Purple hat, pink with hat, albino, buck teeth, straight hair, pigtails, hoodie, all good attributes. But really any floor punk and you can't go wrong, unless the whole system goes down.

>>30077418
for a quick buck? sure
but apparently there are NFT artist circles you can join and shit and make money on that

>>30077384
10% royalties forever? Damn the efferiums could add up

>>30077121
Great job, anon. Nice traditional painted look.

>>30077364
Proud of you, anon. Irony as a gateway to art is a time honored tradition.
>>30077469
It is meta. I like it. Others will too.

>>30077516
yeah imagine beeple and those dudes who sold theirs for millions; they'll begetting roalties for ever assuming they set their percent high - you can make it like 25% irc

People are trying to equate owning an NFT with owning an original Mona Lisa and shit. No amount of mental gymnastics makes this claim not retarded. Physical objects are not the same as digital "items".

If you pay $100k for a "punk" be prepared to hold your illiquid asset forever when the music stops and people are like "hey wait a minute, this is actually retarded". NFTs don't "have value because other people believe they do" in the same way Bitcoin does. But hey put your life savings in whatever you want, I don't care.

>>30077516
Das rite.

>>30077469
>>30077607
I could see some anon buying it and reselling in a few months for 300k

>>30077206
just saved it from this thread
thanks fren, really nice work

>>30077121
Thanks anon just saved it for free, thanks. Joke's on me though I don't "own it on the blockchain"

>>30074764
there's probably more bitcoins on some other shit planets

>>30077364
Can't even be mad. Hope you make a bag off of it anon.

>>30077607
Thanks fren, share it in one of those exclusive discords for me if you don't mind. I want to make big bucks off of it.

>>30077615
So all you gotta do is set up rarible account and post shit for the efferiums to roll in?

>>30077792
>>30077468
>>30077748
It's more like a signature or signed edition i think; like there's nothing stopping any of you anons from going to Rarible and screen capping what is for sale.

Here's a black swan doodle for you frens though I learned alot about money from you and this board over the years

>>30078034
there's a "gas fee" like 40-50 dollars per post.

>>30077364
I'd legit buy this for $100. Priced out at 1k though.

Props for spending the $40 gas fees though

>>30078034
There are currently law firms setting up new systems for inheritance based on NFT royalties for the children of artists 50 years from now.

Too many retards. Why would someone choose to have the original Mona Lisa as opposed to a knock off.

Use your fucking head

>>30078060
Love It! Just bought several pieces, yours would have been one of them had O seen it before now.

>>30078060
thx anon

>>30078189
Yeah. 1k is a little high for first sale. After a few flips, sure. Maybe .3, 500ish.

>>30077646
Wrong. Physical objects were never the same as digital items UNTIL NOW. You can have unique, uncopyable digital tokens.

In the future when VR becomes the dominant reality NFTs are all you will know.

>>30069960
>original of a digital painting

>>30078189
You can make bids for lower than the asking price. I'd accept $100.

>>30069960
Ah I see. There are enough people out there as stupid as you and this explains the current trend that will soon crash and burn.

>>30078322
Damn. If I was home, it would be mine. I'll check when I'm back, but it will probably be gone.

>>30069960
For the same reason I buy books and can't stand reading for hours off a fucking tablet. Digital just isn't the same, man.

>>30070454
Who is going to question whether or not you bought a shitty piece of art, and then stick around for you to prove it with some wallet address mumbo jumbo? Literally no one gives a shit dude

>>30078196
When my art gf gets off work I'll make her draw me some frogs. We're all gonna make it

>>30077474

Excuse my noob question ser, whats a floor punk?

>>30078462
I don't believe you

>>30068773
FUCK Etherieum I cant even profit on NFT tards without paying 80$ in gas fees to post ONE piece of art which isnt even guaranteed to sell.
Surely theres a solution/alternative to this? what do you mETH heads say about this?

>>30079789
Have talent, post good art, be good at sales

This IS a business board right?

>>30080325
My point was asking if there is a way around the insane gas fees

>>30080635
opensea.io

It's like everyone forgets about Urbit, basically NFT's with an actual usecase.

>>30071700
CK gen 0 will be 10k by EOY

>>30078237
thaks i appreciate it yo!

>>30074422
*unzips dick*

>>30077364
>>30078322
>>30078462
>>30079410
fuck it, i'll buy it
that's a piece of /biz/ history
bid is 0.06 eth

>>30077469
Art is such bullshit. I hate what the subversives have done to this world.

>>30081752
Nooo you bitch lol you beat me to it. Congrats anon! Maybe I'll buy it from you next.

Are you people just using your MM on this site?

>>30081752
An impressive offer anon. However, I've grown attached and will wait for more bids.
>>30082140
I haven't accepted his bid yet, you still have a chance. I think this bad boy is worth a little more than 0.06 ETH.

>>30070390
no you can't retard, that's the fucking point.

>>30079380
Floor punk means cheapest punks currently available. Generally low number of traits, the common of the set, but quite often a rare will be offered for floor price and snagged up quickly.

>>30082293
yes you can. what you can't copy is seeing a token inside some eth wallet, which is inconsequential when we're talking about digital art. that being said, tying these kinds of NFT tokens to real world items to prevent forgeries and whatnot is a very interesting use case.

>>30068773
Being uniquely scarce they lack liquidity and lack areas of support or resistance when trading them. I don’t have the risk tolerance to trade NFT’s cause when the music stops you’re holding worthless garbage.

>>30077364
If this sells... do I get royalties since I started this screenshot?

>>30081752
Going once, going twice...
SOLD to this fine young gentleman
>>30082639
Post your eth address, fren. I'll give you a portion of the proceeds.

>>30082288
>>30082726
Fuck, I was getting freddies steakburgers with my elderly mommy.

>>30081752
STILL GONNA BUY IT FROM YOU. congrats tho

>>30082726
And congrats to you, new NFT anon.

>>30069537
Sure it can be downloaded copied and pasted but as soon as someone uses it to make money (money in the future will be 100% crypto) it will be instantly demonetized and seized by the Kleros courts and given to the rightfull NFT owner address.

>>30082726
i'm an art collector now
nfts are fun

>>30072122
Kek! This. Wtf is so hard to understand about copying?

>>30082881
https://app.rarible.com/token/0x60f80121c31a0d46b5279700f9df786054aa5ee5:235738:0xc85105d1ef252b69377c06bc6b0381ca5037a174
it's on sale now if you want

>>30083036
Good start to the roaring 20s, anon. Wonder what your ROI will be in a year.

>>30082611
>tying these kinds of NFT tokens to real world items to prevent forgeries and whatnot is a very interesting use case

How are you so retarded? This is the exact use case for digital items as well. You're so close to understanding

>>30082726
0x89BCab49682b8f967C9Ec6d16af35fFB4d204103

>>30083255
But Rarible items won't work that way because anybody can just post a new copy of the image. Somebody else can just make a new NFT out of >>30077364 and upload it. How is that any different than the one I sold?

>>30083175
Wow, he actually sold something I made in paint and posted to /biz/. What a time to be alive.

>>30083175
You probably will sell it for .3, but not to me yet. Gonna peep your profile every now and then til it sells or you drop it though. Autism4.png, lol

>>30069960
>all these (You)s
>not a single accusation of baiting

>>30083339
Sent. 0.01 ETH in royalties coming your way.

>>30072100
literally no one cares, whatever it is you're talking about is absolute trash for retards

>>30083491
What a good guy.

>>30083562
And you can live with that opinion.

>>30083355
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_forgery

>>30083408
>the time /biz/ learned to nft
>like Helen Keller feeling water spelled in her hand

>>30083491
noice... keep it buddy! Maybe you've convinced me of NFT after all :)

>>30083726
But the one I uploaded wasn't the original either, it was created by >>30076140
The original is actually "trannysurprise.jpg."

>>30083491
>>30083583
glad to be part of this historic moment. kek

>>30077364
How about this one?

https://app.rarible.com/token/0x60f80121c31a0d46b5279700f9df786054aa5ee5:236935:0x326a19e2c9aa0c4c2b0d59eac67da0fc662894cb

You guys really don't see it do you? A certificate of authenticity that allows artists/dealer to retain a royalty on their work every time it's re-sold?

Getting your panties in a twist over some people buying GIFs, you're missing the real point... I guess you are autistic. Why would this not be adopted?

>>30083796
Well, I'm not a lawyer but I would suggest not posting your art on a public forum before you mint for the first time IF you're an unknown artist.

>>30083874
Well done, a fine piece of art. 2 ETH is a little too rich for my blood though

>>30068773
>what is clown world

>>30082611
>what you can't copy is seeing a token inside some eth wallet, which is inconsequential when we're talking about digital art.
yeah, that token IS the art piece, not just the image

>>30070213
>tulip bulbs
And now I know for sure that you're retarded

>>30083874
I like this other one too, somebody should buy it

One token that is going to fucking moon from this NFT hype is Sota. Multichain trading platform. Team of Singaporean geniuses behind it. Get in while it's early days lads

>>30081752
based and autismpilled

imagine being a nopunker

>>30076598
I can make one, tell me another thread before this one dies and I'll post a loli in there

>>30069960
>the original of a digital painting