/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>30061166
When the inflation wave will come it will be unstoppable.
Inflation is a self-fueled mechanism. People expecting inflation are creating inflation.

>>30061166

Yeah right...my house increased 62% in value since this time last year.

Real estate has completely collapsed yet prices are skyrocketing

>>30061342
no, the money supply increasing creates inflation

>>30061423
that's inflation. it hits consumer prices last.

>>30061342

Thats the thing people do not understand

Take a bag of rice that goes up in price every week. Consumers notice and start hoarding rice...then the next batch of rice hits the shelf twice as expensive

>>30061442
no, commercial banks giving out loans creates inflation

>>30061532
moron

>>30061587
You don't know how the financial system works. Fucking idiot.

>>30061532

>>30061757
Haha money printer goes brrr, right? Fuck off dumb prole

>>30061532
*also
ftfy

>>30061166
that's bullish

>>30061442
Inflation depends on money growth and the velocity of money. Prices increase when the product of the money supply and its velocity grows faster than real GDP.

>>30061511
Bro there's still walls of no brand hand sanitizer on sale at every store I go to. People panicked during the shortages last year and manufacturers overproduced the supply. Now stores can't get rid of the shit.

>>30061442
>no, the money supply increasing creates inflation
It's only a part of the equation, and what's trigger the hyperinflation. When the ball start rolling, it is very hard to stop it, even if you reduce the supply, because people start not trusting their cash, and spend everyhting they can to store goods.

>>30061423


A crash course in the understanding of value vs prices is coming right up

Should I buy gold? I have 170.000€ in cash laying around.

>>30062331
yes

>>30062403
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God we're literally in the twilight period waiting for the effects to be felt. We collectively jumped off a building but havent hit the ground yet

>democrats talking about a 4th round when they can't even get the 3rd round out the door

My big brain is telling me that the sheer amount of hoarding people have done means only consoomers will spend money, so Jpow is 'overcorrecting' for deflation by inflating the money supply. Either way the USA and by extension the world is doomed. Perhaps Nanking+Holocaust 2.0 will occur as a result of Chinkojew shenanigans.

>>30061342
HyperInflation is occurring in assets like real estate, and education and spills into materials and medicine. Has been occurring for years. Why do you idiots still measure it with the coffee and donuts economy, it fucking drives me crazy.

Serious question, why not just stop putting new money into circulation?

>>30061166
any smart people can tell what triggered this in 2004?

Fuck, I better buy a house before restate become impossible to buy.

>>30061166
riiight my friend bidding $40k over the sale price of the house they got is "2%" inflation...riiiight...

>>30062898
>Serious question, why not just stop putting new money into circulation?
because they're not putting money into "circulation", they're literally putting it right into pockets of their friends, its not to help you, its to steal the value of your money without having to offer you something for the money

>>30062657
If the economy collapses again, they won't be able to prop up the stock market with lower interest rates again. Then we will have to live through another great depression.

>>30061532
>>30061757
Fucking niggers, you are both correct. For fucks sake m2 money supply creates inflation = commercial banks lending

>>30063186
No, the boomers will have to live through a holocaust as I team up with Vaush and Nick Fuentes to put them all in camps for being the most retarded generation to ever live.

>>30062908
an economic recession. they never stopped

>he didn't hedge inflation

>>30063456
interesting. details?

>>30063186
why not just use negative interest rates?

>>30063527
Don't reply to the CLF tranny

>>30061532
Wrong. Only the FED creates money out of thin air. Banks take on cheap debt from the FED and loan it out.

In the end, it's still the FED increasing money supply that creates inflation. The banks are facilitators.

>>30063456
go away tranny

>>30063586
ok sorry

>>30061342
This
>>30061442
Not really hundret percent, inflation is depending how much the people trust the fiat. If there is no trust in the worth inflation comes independet from supply.

>>30063580
I talked about this with my friend once, creates bad incentives and would only cause hyper inflation.

>>30061342
>*hyperinflation is a self-fueled mechanism

inflation itself isn't necessarily psychological.

I only have a couple hundred in fiat to get by.everything I have is in crypto. if this 3rd stimulus passes its going right into crypto as well

>>30063443
oh is that the dot com printer?

>>30061166
grocery inflation is around 20% over the past year, from personal experience. of course the (((buruea of labor statistics))) claims it is a few percent.
>oy vey we adjusted beef prices because more people are eating HFCS onions products, which are cheaper than beef. so goyim, because of these substitutions, we can say, with a straight face, that beef isn't inflating 20%. it is merely inflating 2%!

>>30063946
I used to be able to go get a t-bone dinner for $20 few years back, now it costs that much just for one steak and no fixings.

>>30062871
>Why do you idiots still measure it with the coffee and donuts economy
The central banks construct CPI to be really low (look up hedonics and substitution) so the “inflation” naturally never shows in the figures no matter how much prices rise. Why? Because all states have issued so much debt and guaranteed social programs that it can never be payed. However, all guarantees are tied to inflation. Solution: run real inflation hot to get rid of the debt while pretending that inflation is low. That boomers are completely unable to see this is the greatest mystery.

>>30063237
No, M2 expanding doesn't equal commercial bank lending, tranny. You don't know what "=" means

>>30063602
Not even close lmao. Good luck dude

>>30062331
ffs, YES!

>>30063850
Everything stayed the same in the EU with negative Euribor. It's all fake statistics, the CPI, the money supplies, etc. It's all a scam for politicians to keep power.

>>30062898
the new money is stopping at the banks and corporations. see m1 and m2 charts.

>>30063580
>why not just use negative interest rates
if NIRP happens en masse, you better get to the bank and take out your money then since you will have to PAY to keep it in there

>>30062898
To give everyone a reason (especially rich purple) a reason to invest it in something and but things earlier than later to keep the economy afloat.
There are other reasons as well but this one is more or less the main reason for inflation and why it always should be at around 2%

>>30061166
Bro just print more its fine dude money lmao

>>30064103
What percentage of the $27T national debt has fixed interest rates?

>>30061166
I was told yesterday it's only in biz inflation is only 2% and to stop listen to pol about the end of the dollar.. Now I'm seeing this chart and I feel like someone on biz was lying to me again.

>>30064279
You ever saw that Stargate episode where they build a spaceship and they take it for a spin, get attacked and they activate a time machine that freezes them in time to save them from the enemy's killshot that has already been fired?
That's the Eurozone economies

>>30063527
he lost millions on that stock

>>30066514
link

>>30061166
Why are PMs performing so poorly when Inflation is around the corner?

>>30066825
good question
lots of people say the price is being suppressed without providing any proof

>>30064127

Nigger
https://www.lynalden.com/money-printing/

>>30067581
jp morgan literally gets fined like a billion dollars every year for doing it

>>30067581
https://youtu.be/hdyqwVEvyfY

>>30065152
Fuckin replicators man

>>30063527
>>30063586
>>30066514
>>30066605

Seethe

want to see new GEM?
lmao, go for BSC and go for Jul
forget about this fucking dumped gas on Ethereum
any coins can bring you benefits
>you shouldn’t be smart in trading, go for farming

>>30061166
Thanks Obama

>>30062908
slope started to severely change in 2008ish. same chart, but 25y

>>30066825
try to buy some pm's at spot (fake) price

I just bought my first gold. Feels good man.

>>30064103
>That boomers are completely unable to see this is the greatest mystery.
The real redpill is that they do see it and they accept it because they're the beneficiaries. Median home price in the 90s was ~$100K. Median home price now is ~$280K. Some people have basically gotten houses for free thanks to inflation paired with immigration influx and urban development.
Also pro immigration policies act as a failsafe against real inflation. In a community of 10 people, with $100 of real value split such that 1 person controls $90 and the remaining 9 control $10, when what used to be $100 value becomes $50 value thanks to inflation ($200 actually in circulation now), you, as a member of the elite, can set the breaks by importing another 9 people to fight over the $20 those people have access to, and pocket your $90 cut into illiquid assets.
Price changes on things like milk, gas, etc. wont be experienced by those at the bottom with that backstop. In fact, they may see deflation if the people you've imported breed like rabbits. Your own debts can get inflated away and your spending power can grow if you have a backstop like that in place.
Meanwhile people freaking out over inflation, buying silver, gold, etc. without understanding actual float issues are simply handing over their cash to you for cheap.

>>30061166

Feels good man

Always hedge inflation with steel

Remember the 08 recession

>if you ignore 70% of your monthly expenses, inflation is actually low

>>30061511
This is the lowest IQ thing I’ve ever read in my entire life.

>>30067796
You're trying to empirically disprove a conceptual distinction? Goddamn you're retarded

>>30067796
btw it only proves how dumb you are that you can't succinctly summarize the points you believe in but have to resort to throwing multi-page essays at me

>spending money decreases drastically
>money supply increases drastically
And are you surprised?

>>30067796
>Listens to a tranny
NGMI

>>30071414
>CPI doesn't include Taxes or Food
RIP

CLF baby

>>30066825
PMs have a bias against the 10Y treasury bill so if 10Y is high people don't buy as many when inflation is obvious for anyone to deny PMs skyrocket 1970s style.

>>30061511

fuck hyperinflation
god bless motherfucking goddamn cryptocurrency
Monero is what people think Bitcoin is

Only gonna get worse. They’ve started an unannounced yield curve control as a result of last week’s chaos. That middle one is the 10Y.

>>30061342
There is no Inflation wave. Pick up an economics book.

>>30070133
>Meanwhile people freaking out over inflation, buying silver, gold, etc. without understanding actual float issues are simply handing over their cash to you for cheap.

Cause everyone is priced out of real assets, homes and land. PMs are a second.
But yes you are right, that is why Canada is freaking out over not enough immigrants coming in, they quadrupled the amount in the past 2 months.

>>30061342
>>30061166
You don’t understand where the money is do you? It’s not ever gonna touch your hands, that’s for sure.

>>30061442
an increase in the money supply is monetary inflation. the resulting imbalance and change in prices is called price inflation.

>>30076736
>trying to teach a cow calculus

>>30070579
Kill yourself retard
You haven't the slightest idea how the banking system works

Why are they printing so much money?

>>30070579
>>30076989
that retard knows how it works
they are just shilling
notice how they seem to care way too much about wanting people to think they are 'smart and cool'

>>30077113
Because if they stop injecting magic cash into where they want it (Tbonds), no one else is going to be putting money there, and the whole thing falls apart. Its a race to the bottom for every fiat currency, and whoever lets off the gas first loses harder. And since the USD is the reserve currency, the dollar car has 1/2 a tank of gas compared to everyone elses' 1/4 tank.

>>30077113
1. to keep treasury bond yields low so that the federal government can borrow more and more money without going bankrup
2. to keep interest rates in the pleb economy just low enough so we don't get mass unemployment because of zombie (unprofitable) companies failing
3. to keep stonks and real estate prices high so that wall street banks and pension funds don't go belly up

None of it actually helps because it is artificial and debt-driven. We're headed for an economic meltdown that rivals the Great Depression

even if that money never sees the light of day for normal people, even if it goes straight into the stock market or is turned into bonds, its new money, meaning old money isn't being used for those purposes, and can be used for everything else that causes inflation.

>>30064337
Maybe they should have distributed more of the stimulus directly to actual people who will actually spend it to actually live instead of shoveling increasingly large sums at (((institutions))) that know they'll keep getting more if they keep it from trickling down. Fucking clowns.

>>30078741
Doesnt matter. inflation seeps through into the economy one way or the other. At the moment it's creeping into asset prices before it hits consumer goods

>>30078990
True, but if their aim is to keep the average consumer solvent while minimizing the total quantity of new money entering the system, they're doing a piss poor job. More likely their policy is intended to stave off institutional insolvency while driving the middle class to take on more debt before they deny them the opportunity to resolve it with inflated dollars by jacking up interest rates.

Fuck me. This was never about helping people at all was it? It's just another scheme to keep the cattle indentured, dependent, and easily controlled.

>>30063850
>I talked about this with my friend once
dear god, why hasn't the world economic council reached out to you yet?

>>30066825
They are being used as a bond substitute and declining as yields rise. When inflation hits money will flood in from equity investors