/biz/ - Business & Finance

Why would you pay taxes to a communist government that doesn't care about you?

As far as I'm aware, you simply pay money on the profits of all trades for the last year.
For me, it's simple, as I only use one exchange, so money out - money in = taxable profit.
>Do they even have any way to know how much money we are dealing with?
Your exchange will give up the details no question. Your bank too.

hijo de puta madre

>>30037204
Move to Portugal and declare your taxes there.

>>30037204
i hate spanish people, i work in a spanish company and the boomers from bilbao are so fucking insufferable

PDR SNCHZ will read this and will take care of the situation

>>30037228
I'm apolitical, but fair enough, then how do we evade taxes without getting fucked in the ass by la Agencia Tributaria?

>>30037308
>As far as I'm aware, you simply pay money on the profits of all trades for the last year.
That's fine I guess. Could be worse.
>Los primeros 6.000 euros de ganancia tributan al 19%. Los 44.000 euros siguientes tributan al 21%. Las ganancias obtenidas por encima de los 50.000 euros tributan al 23%.
Is this true? I read it here https://www.blockchaineconomia.es/las-criptomonedas-en-el-irpf/#:~:text=Los%20criptoactivos%20son%20considerados%20como,50.000%20euros%20tributan%20al%2023%25.

>>30037369
I was thinking about it but I don't know how to and I'm still in uni. Also I read some anons here who said their gov was going to start with fucking crypto next year.

>>30037460
oh god oh fuck he is unstoppable isn't he, bros?

>>30037386
Basque people are the worst
>t. american living in the basque region

si, tienes que pagar un cojon de impuestos, vendelas todas antes de que empiecen las regulaciones comunistas.

Crypto to crypto is taxable, but when you pull out money from an exchange, is that taxable as well? Say after converting your shitcoins to € on your exchange, you then withdraw that money to your bank account. Is this last step taxable?

Hola puto
Todavia hay much desempleo en españa?

que pasa si no hacen taxes? el govierno los jode? das a la carcel?

Well, now I'll write without joking. When I finally decide to do my taxes this is what I'll follow :)
https://forocoin.net/threads/tutorial-declaracion-de-la-renta-criptomonedas-espana.5054/
And this
https://forocoin.net/threads/tutorial-de-uso-de-cointracking-para-la-declaracion-de-criptomonedas.5058/#post-68537
Do you know when do we have to start doing all of that if we started trading this year?

>>30037583
No.

>>30037369
This, but unironically. Live there for a mere 6 months, cash out, pay 0 taxes.

LMAO
>Gas is rising
>Try to be alive
>fail everything

Go BSC, don’t spend your life
Lol, I hold SWG and use their marketplace, like 0 tax

Everyone talks about ecosystem
can’t remember even one system with full-workable eco
and these homeless beggars try to shill with their trashprojects
well, if you are an autist you can go for this
I am smart really and have enecuum ecosystem and their mining

>>30037660
>>30037668
Based anons

>>30037640
Si
Tener trabajo ahora mismo es imposible
Quiero que acabe esto...

>>30037204
cabrón

Dude only do your taxes when cashing out, which should be never.
>>30037783
What did you study

>>30037783
se puso mas dificil despues del covid?
onions un puto mexico-americano
me dan ganas de vivir en españa
al menos en tu pais no te matan los putos negros o los carteles

>>30037886
solo te digo que la gente con estudios que conozco todos tienen trabajo. Espero que te haya servido

>>30037204
hello spanish bro, just buy crypto from non kyc exchanges and try to build a fortune. Then cash out in a place where's no capital gains tax. Se van a poner las cosas horribles así que qué mejor que tener un colchón económico que nos podamos llevar a cualquier parte del mundo, porque llegará un momento en el que no tengamos más remedio que salir del país (igual que la gente abandona Venezuela o Argentina para venirse a España hace unos años) así que a aprender inglés y alguna habilidad que sea valiosa en el extranjero.

esto es desde YA un hilo hispano

still try to get profit with this erc fee?
what a retard, use BSC systems, hold SWG and see bonuses every day

>stop wasting your time with shitcoins

>>30037510
>I'm still in uni
Even better, go on exchange and spend a year at a Portuguese university

>>30037583
The only taxable steps are the ones where you make a profit. If you had EUR in your exchange and then transfer to your bank, there's no profit being made there. It's different if you convert from BTC to EUR in that step though.

>>30037523
>>30037640
Tenéis que volver a casa sudacas de mierda

>>30037204
As far as I know, you don't have to declare every crypto to crypto transaction (yet) in spain, only if you convert to fiat (€). And of course, only if you cash out of the exchange, right?

Fucking taxes man, you risk your own fucking money and you have to give 1/4 of what you invest...

LOL ANON STOP JERKING ON THIS SHIT
everyone here laughs on your shit
smart boy will check just liquidity yields
my purse is safe with juld tokens

>>30037204

>Thinks he can make money in Spain

>>30037204
do not declare how many cryptos you have. Many politicians have shilled about "it is necessary to report your cryptos" but it's actually a lie if you look up the long law list from agencia tributaria. In theory, every time you cash out in euros here, there is a tax, but there is no tax if you exchange crypto to crypto

I feel your SPain bros

Been living in this shithole you call a country for the last 4 years and i've got taxed for every single stuff i even laid my eyes on.

Fucking Communist shithole, 23% taxes for what? so the goddamn PEPE and PSUV can cash-out tax free and buy a new car/chalet?

FUCK ME

A partir de cuanto hay que pagar impuestos en cryptos? He metido mil a una estafa, pero si hace 20 mil euros (por ejemplo, ni de coña llega a eso), y solo tengo ese dinero, tengo que pagar impuestos?

I want a qt spanish gf when I make it.

>>30038646
En teoría si obtienes más de 1000€ de ingresos anuales, tienes que declararlos. Pero en la práctica, cantidades menores de 20.000€ anuales no declaradas ni se molestan en perseguirlas porque les sale más caro 'investigarlas' que lo que sacan de beneficio del impuesto

>>30038394
no onions sudaca
onions mexicano
puto arabe

Monero

>>30037204
Move to based Portugal

Anon check out this gem.

$MCM Mochimo
> Quantum Proof
> Scalable and Fast
> Decentralized and Fair
>Price going crazy right now =)))

>>30038997
That's one of my options aswell, fuck Spain.

Come home moor man

>>30038394
>sudaca
Ya quisieras, puto arabe de mierda
al menos tenemos trabajos aquí

ITT: People cmpletely illiterate about how a tax man works.

If you don't declare, government is gonna send you an "estimate" of what they think your fraud is. This is going to be based on fucking air and small details that banks have to report (large transactions).

THESE TRANSACTIONS CAN BE PERFECTLY NORMAL FOR YOUR AGE CATEGORY AND INCOME GROUP, THEY WILL MOST LIKELY BE IGNORED BY YOUR TAX MAN.

1) Government can't ask for your full bank records without proof of fraud. They don't have ANY idea of what you REALLY owe.

2) Government says "prove you didn't commit fraud"

3) You either accept their settlement offer or go to court over it, in court, you can literally get away with giving them the absolute fucking minimum effort estimates of your income.

4) "I didn't know crypto was a taxable asset class because the legal framework for it is horribly incomplete" is a legit defense against Fraud. at most, you'll be negligent, which makes you exempt from most "added fines" in eurocuck countries.


Tl;dr
Tax man bad, but tax man doesn't know jack shit unless you tell it to him.

>>30038858
Excepto aquellas ayudas a comprar un coche si entregabas el viejo, que con esa mierda fueron a saco para sacar una tajada rápida y traicionera.

>be spaniard
>get hired just after college
>too expensive to fire now
>one of the few companies that are doing better thanks to corona meme
>almost everybody is poor/no job so to women you are a valuate asset
>waste money on crypto, stocks, PCs, car, bike, drones every month
>living in one of my family houses paying a small rent

If you have a job this is one of the best countries to live. Too bad people is just too stupid. Won't sell my crypto here because my advisor told me that I would pay 23%. Probably will try in Portugal or something, but honestly I don't need the money.
There are still a few based spaniards out there and I hope you are doing ok anons

What is Spain like? I will move to Catalonia with my Spanish gf when I make it

>>30037204
Ok OP, i will show you.

First you take the ostia....and then you put it en su puta madre faggot.

>>30038858
>Pero en la práctica, cantidades menores de 20.000€ anuales no declaradas ni se molestan en perseguirlas porque les sale más caro 'investigarlas' que lo que sacan de beneficio del impuesto
los exchanges pasan info a hacienda. Con nada que tengas 1000€ en Coinbase por ejemplo ya me dirías tú lo caro que le sale a hacienda coger una lista de todos los españoles que tengan +1000€ y ponerse a mandarles cartas de o pagas o te multamos tal X%. Si habéis enseñado el dni para comprar cryptos estáis jodidos

>>30039209
>to Catalonia
If you like pakistan, moroccan pickpockets/stabbers, hate to tourists, loud separatists and riots you will love Barcelona.
The catalonian pyrenees part is beautiful tho

>>30037204
Ok, if your a Spanish national it's progressive, if not it's a flat 24% on profits. If you spend 181 days in spain you're officially a tax resident, so you will have to declare it. Crypto-crypto trading is a taxable event, if it's no shitcoins or through DeFi swaps it'll be hard to trace, but if it's through CeFi exchanges (ie Binance) they will inform hacienda if they ask. Your bank will hand your info no questions asked. Hacienda has retroactive punishments cause this country sucks ass on this department. There are no provisions for staking (the closest would be dividend payments, but even then there's a lot of gray areas on the matter). If you're above 5 figures I'd consider lawyering up.

>>30038858
tema inversiones al menos en euskadi es hasta 2500 segun mi asesor, si no pasas de eso anualmente no tienes que decir nada

>>30039418
Sounds like home, thanks anon

>>30037640
La cosa está de la verga. Pinche país rentista, no vengas porque la verdad hay más oportunidades en Mex. España es el país más desarrollado del Norte de África.

>>30037204
M'hawnx regoli hawn, tkellem bliema zobb ta lingwa trid. Spanjoli kolla kemm intkom pufti u bla bajd

>>30038456
That's bullshit, since a long time crypto-crypto trading has been seen as a taxable event. Almost completely unenforceable, but the law is very clear on that regard. Any tax lawyer will tell you this.

>>30037204
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>>30037510
>>30037523
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>>30037783
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>>30038241
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>>30038456
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>>30039193

Was once in Barcelona. Wonderful city but absolute hellhole when it comes to pickpockets. Gypsies everywhere. You have to watch your stuff 24/7. Like everybody is wearing his backpacks on the chest and is trusting anyone. Never saw this in any city on the world this dramatically. I saw it live in a overcrowded Taco Bell how organized these guys are. Absolutely horrific.


Hoe is it possible and why Spanish people don’t do anything about it?

>>30037523
Based.

I'm basque you faggot and you're right.

>>30037204
I don’t care about your country.

Mirad en el foro burbuja.info, ahí hay una sección cripto y algún hilo de fiscalidad

>>30039523
(((democracy))) happened. Those "people" are valuable voters of certain lefties parties.

>>30039209
Don’t worry anon, you won’t make it.

aj caramba dijo el var sinso

>>30039623
I will. I already have $200k. Another 10x is within the realms of possibilities. The altrun hasn't even begun yet

>>30039523
Separatists protect them. Their hate to spain is so deep that they prefer to live in an isis caliphate than in Spain. Barcelona is a fucking shithole anons DO NOT go there.

>>30039441
fake, tax agency doesnt track crypto movements by default. If u do ur own taxes, they wont know about it

>>30037369
Knowing our government, I wouldn't take this for granted.
They don't tax crypto yet because they don't understand it and think it's a meme.

>>30038401
soon 80% because comunists. ready up the cunetas, they are still filled since last time

>>30039879
This.
As long as you don't do autistic medium bank deposit and withdrawals on a monthly basis based on a retarded schedule, nobody going to care. If you want to deposit money from your earnings, do it big in one large sum and do it every other month at most.


I fudged my taxes for years and nobody from the agency asked me out for tea time yet.

>>30037308
Euro por euro sin ajustar con la inflación?

>>30040670
>do it big in one large sum
I assumed I should do smaller amounts at a time, can you expand?

>>30037386
Basques are barely human but whatever did Spaniards do to you?

>>30039523
Our goverments are socialist niggerlovers that give money for free to shitskins and victimize the criminals. Being honest in Spain is getting cucked 24/7.

>>30041029
Thanks to the decades of hard work from thousands of money-laundering morons in our country and millions in other part of the world, this kind of transaction triggered automatic red flags which not only alert the bank but both the tax agency and the frigging cops.

If you do it in one large sum, at most and very rarely only the bank will care enough to ask a few questions which they have to and you can bullshit away.

Which one you think is wiser?

>>30041202
Makes sense.

>>30037460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRom-xs2NGY

>>30041202
>only the bank will care enough to ask a few questions which they have to and you can bullshit away
How would you bullshit away those questions? Asking for a friend.

>>30039207
mood. Im pretty much doing the same.

>>30039726
Holy shit, will not go there again. sorry for you, anons. These people are so brain dead.


Want to visit the north of Spain next time (like in the border region to France). hope it’s better there.

>>30041173
Actually a lot European countries are like this. Germany, France and Sweden are even worse.

But these masses of pick pockets I only saw in barcelona so far. even Poland is actually pretty save when it comes to stuff like that.

>>30041286
Lmao

>>30039207
net 3000€/pm here, spain is a paradise with numbers like that

con cuantos euros al mes se puede vivir bien en españa?

>>30037204
>Also how to evade taxes or any tricks you guys know will be welcomed.

>>30042871
Segun lo que entiendas como bien o donde vivas. 2500 en una ciudad mediana-pequeña va bien.

>>30037204
Cómeme los huevos.

Me voy a mudar de aqui me voy a marcar un rubius

Hello spaniard, much love from USA. Hope you make many gains and live a comfy life.

>>30041202
ive been smurfing monthly for years, nobody asked shit.

>>30044557
thanks fren, we love 49% of you too. we will make it this century or else

>>30039879
You're a fucking 5 figure retard if your bank isn't tracking you. Ngmi

>>30039207
Spanish people are amongst the most incompetent people I've ever worked with. Catalans are mostly ok, so are Basque and SOME other northerners. But if you're outside of that area you're basically a glorified northern African. It baffles me the level of incompetence I've seen whilst being here. They complain about Latin Americans, but even Argentinians have better work ethic than you lot, and that's saying something. Not specifically targeting you anon, I'm sure you're part of the exception, but honestly I'd be embarrassed of being Spanish. And seeing most of you in your natural habitat has made me completely sympathetic to the Catalan and Basque cause.

>>30041627
yeah just go to Andorra if you're traveling. Prices are a bit more steep but it's far classier.
Andorra is to Spain what Taiwan is to China

>>30041627
>Want to visit the north of Spain next time (like in the border region to France). hope it’s better there.
It's extremely comfy up there, fren.

>>30037204
>Is it true that we have to declare crypto to crypto transactions?
Yes
>and unrealized gains?
Nop, unless you have more than 700k€ in which case you have to pay 0.5% of anything you have over 700k€ because wealth tax

>Try to buy Ethereum from spanish broker
>Translates ethereum to "a todo gas"

>>30037204
Comprad Coti
Arriba España

>>30048072
hes not wrong tho