/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>29981595
by posting that link you've already been redpilled. why make this thread?

>>29981595
worse schizos than XRP

>>29981656
Cause it sounds like something from /pol/

To believe the BSV conspiracy theory, you have to believe Craig Wright when he says over and over that blockchain signatures can't be relied on to prove anything meaningfully but lawyers and judges can.

>>29981595
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Bitcoin, is in fact, BTC on the Bitcoin blockchain platform, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, BTC on Bitcoin.

>>29981656
For starters, how come the original Bitcoin was supposed to have "transaction fees 1/100 of a penny" and "instant transactions" but in practice, this is not even close to reality?
And if all of that knowledge is there, why hasn't it happened in over a decade after being published?

>>29982191
Based

>>29982240
Technology that upsets the power balance will be suppressed. Technology than cannot be controlled will be suppressed. Peer-to-peer electronic cash breaks the financial system, so the protocol was downgraded and the narrative was changed to "Bitcoin is a store of value".

>>29982240
>For starters, how come the original Bitcoin was supposed to have "transaction fees 1/100 of a penny" and "instant transactions" but in practice, this is not even close to reality?
I have ther same question.
Also they claim that "in the future, blablabla"... So they do intend to modifiy to original Bitcoin, right? Like BTC and BCH do.

>>29981595
fuck off fraud
stop scamming people

>>29983022
modifiy *the original Bitcoin

>>29983079
Absolutely seething.

>>29982240
>For starters, how come the original Bitcoin was supposed to have "transaction fees 1/100 of a penny" and "instant transactions" but in practice, this is not even close to reality?
I have the same question.
Also they claim that "in the future, blablabla"... So they do intend to modify the original Bitcoin, right? Like BTC and BCH do.

>>29983219
scammer get the rope
fuck off in antigua you fucking pedo

>>29981595
Bless whoever made that page.
Im arguing it up over here.
>>29973706

Ah thread just died.
Yes BSV id the original bitcoin.

>>29983255
BSV already has sub-cent transaction fees.
The solution is literally right here and already exists at your fingertips. It's just being suppressed via control of the narrative.

>>29982762
Correct

>>29983384
>BSV already has sub-cent transaction fees.
because nobody uses it lmao

>>29983418
Wrong. There are around 300k transactions per day on both BSV and BTC networks. Yet, BSV is over 20000x cheaper.

>>29983452
Nobody is buying your bags

how does it feel knowing BTC went 10x since march 2020, yet BSV is 70% of its march 2020 price?

>>29983384
>BSV already has sub-cent transaction fees.
Did the original Bitcoin (let's say the last commit from Satoshi himself) have such low fees and speed? Or it is because of improvements made on BSV?

>>29983255
>Also they claim that "in the future, blablabla"... So they do intend to modify the original Bitcoin, right? Like BTC and BCH do.
Yes by scaling Bitcoin, which BTC did not do.
BCH did it but they went against the protocol by adding in things like Schorr Signatures and Avalanche which makes it reliant upon third parties which is 100% against the protocol. Read the Abstract to the White paper (The white paper IS the protocol)
https://coingeek.com/what-the-fork-happened-to-bitcoin/

>>29983418
Wrong

>>29983524
>>how does it feel knowing BTC went 10x since march 2020, yet BSV is 70% of its march 2020 price?
Feels great! I own both.
BSV however will win in the end. Use trumps speculation in the end.

I have bought some BSV now in February, but didnt seem any price movement at all. The projects being built on it looks interesting, though. Unfortunatelly these projects are obfuscated by Craig and his court stuff. BSV should focus more in bringing these projects to light and show people what is being developed, instead of all the ego blasting intrigues around Craig. By what I have read, BSV should be in the top 10, it should have more value than BCH, or at least be close to it.

>>29983631
>removed bitcoin
>inserts scam coin line instead
holy shit. the sheer desperation.
this graph is so bullish for Bitcoin core, holy shit.

>>29983669

Except it doesn't and BSV isn't Bitcoin. But keep keep chirping about it you paid shills, no-one else actually cares

>>29983576
Before Blockstream and segwit, the blocksize was initially limited, but Satoshi mentioned increasing the blocksize over time:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1347.msg15366#msg15366
BSV has removed the blocksize limit, which massively boosts the potential scaling of the network.

>>29983739
Yes, you aren't saying anything that isn't said in BSV circles daily.
It's really about what Bitcoin was about, in say 2013; Changing the world.
Price will follow. BSV has some very heavy hitters shorting the shit out of it since 2019.
Don't worry about price. Use BSV just like what Satoshi envisioned. It will pop in time.

Look at all these use cases int he last 6 months. It's insane really.
https://metastore.app/apps?sort=hot

>>29981595
Thanks for the link, just sold all.
As soon as spergs like you take over it is unironically over.
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT CALL IT LINUX ITS GNU
Aspies like that are the reason nobody uses linux and it will be the same with Bitcoin

all of this obvious paid shilling is getting tiresome. cant you clean this shit up like you do everything else jannies?

>>29983806
Are you slow ? It's a live chart at the end of 2020
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/charts/total-transaction-count?compare=bitcoin-abc,bitcoin-sv&interval=1m

>btc not bitcoin
this just comes off as sour grapes seething

>>29981595
>stealth blames the jews
Makes it more confusing by jumping back and forth between BSV and Bitcoin.
So basically Bitcoin tried becoming money so then autists made a new bitcoin to replace it.
How does this not prove bitcoin is retarded and we should just stick with fiat?

You dumb niggers keep colliding with 2000 years of economic evolution and acting confused when you can't just cheat code your way into revamping the entire world's financial system.

>>29983961
Why would the world flip over to BSV, even if BTC completely collapses? Wouldn't they want to switch to ETH, XMR, LTC, or something else?

I personally won't invest in BSV because I already got burned with "BCH is the real bitcoin". Others feel the same way.

>>29983899
>Except it doesn't and BSV isn't Bitcoin
because you say so, right got it.
Just so you know the protocol IS the whitepaper and the Protocol was not included in the MIT License. BSV is the only fork of Bitcoin that uses the 2009 protocol.
and they are ALL forks. BTC, BSV and BCH.

>>29984101
Kek Idgaf how you call it, tard. I'm a newbie to crypto and wanted to know how's that possible the knowledge for a x1000 cheaper transactions is not used over a decade after it was originally envisioned

>>29984279
>Why would the world flip over to BSV, even if BTC completely collapses? Wouldn't they want to switch to ETH, XMR, LTC, or something else?
Because it does anything any other coin does but at scale and ON-Chain.
It's trustless, uses POW, No third party involved, Immutable and peer to peer with 1 sat fees. That's why.

>>29984129
>posts bullshit
>believes in a con artist and a liar
>useless spam generator
Excuse you, you are talking to one of your betters. I don't accept comments from people like you.

>>29984537

>>29984279
Scaling combined with scripting.
Monero is pretty nice though.

>>29981595
you know there is and it's the usual suspects
gregory maxwell, the loudest opponent is a _ _ _

Holy shit I just had to send $1000 in bitcoin core and the transaction fee was $175. what the fuck? people really think BTC is the future? why do people actually shill this bullshit??

>>29981595
>Desperate attempt to shill BSV bags #863

>>29984646
Just like Satoshi designed amirght ?

>>29983957
Did BSV add anything else? They changed a constant and that's it, the code is otherwise identical to the last commit from Satoshi?

>>29984646
Just use a credit card with cashback, BTC is a store of value and not meant to be spent.

>>29984709
That's right but technically they had to strip all the BTC and BCH changes to get it back to the 2009 protocol.

>>29984709
https://bitcoinsv.io/2020/01/15/changes-for-the-genesis-upgrade/

>>29984769
Why not start from the latest commit from Satoshi instead?

>>29984575

Go on, what's your excuse for this?

>>29984754
why wouldnt I just store my value in a coin that actually works? or an index fund for that matter

>>29984924
Because it would make millions of dollars disappear from people who support BSV and have supported Bitcoin from day 1. I bought my first bitcoin in 2011. Why should I lose them because Digital Currency Group, AXA and Blockstream decided to change the protocol in 2017 ?

genuine question about bsv, ifg its the true coin as satoshi wanted, how can one retard's patents get around something not even the government should be able to stop the advent of.

>>29984396
>I'm a newbie to crpypto and I'm just curious how <insert generic talking point for shitcoin #5493>
Classic astroturf tactics. Nobody over 120 IQ is falling for it nigger

>>29984989
Come on now... do you really doubt that Bitcoin (BTC) is a store of value? Satoshi intended it as digital gold! The limited supply makes it inherently valuable, I know the whitepaper says peer-to-peer electronic cash and Satoshi talked about massive scaling, but 6 megabytes per hour is enough and should never be changed.

>>29981595
Bitcoin was created as a competition to visa, and mastercard. Not to gold like it is right now. Although CIA niggers found Satoshi (they've stated it many year ago), and imo. they killed him. They installed blockstream to cripple Bitcoin, to give banking Jews more time to create CBDC. Craig is most probably a CIA asset. His role is to mock big blockers for good. In any case don't ever think of buying BSV. Craig didn't show any cryptographic proof for 6 years, and he won't, as he doesn't have any. BTC in the long run is also a dead end. Since miners can't earn revenue from fees, and block rewards are constantly getting smaller, than miners will simply not have money to run the blockchain. So either BTC will be moved to PoS, or inflation will be implemented at some point. Or it'll die. The best you can invest in would be coins, that are cooperating with bankers.

>>29984965
That's easy. In the 2020 Kleiman case the court ordered that Craig Wright show all his "Bitcoin address" that he has ever used or had control over.
Now if you you remember way back to 2009 one thing was set in stone by Satoshi as per proper use of Bitcoin addresses was; "Use a new address for every single transaction".
So, Craig Wright had literally millions of address. An Algorithm was made by Steve Shadders to make a list for the court of all the addresses. The algorithm was not perfect and addresses were added to the list that were not Craig Wright's.
The court accepted this and if you don't, who cares.

>>29984965
shadders bug scraped a lot of addresses into the list by mistake
fud dispelled already a year ago, go back greg

>>29985343
XRP?

>>29985306
https://coingeek.com/why-there-is-no-store-of-value-or-digital-gold-in-btc/
The whole 'store of value' debate and scarcity (21m) misses the point entirely. Satoshi's long game was to create a data infrastructure that can incentivize transactions/data interactions. If you think of the data-based economy that's evolving, that's MUCH MORE significant than the hodler narrative

>>29981595
it's great it has 100000 times more adoption than the cash forks.

>>29985952
So did the Rhodesian dollar. Whats you point ?

>>29986015
my point is when you betting against btc you are pissing against a hurricane

>>29985361
>>29985406
>He claimed that millions of addresses were all pointing at his money and then when it turned out that it wasn't actually his he said haha oops well that one isn't actually mine but the rest still are btw and we know it's true because a judge rolled his eyes and admitted the claim into evidence the same way you admit every other dumbass thing a claimant presents as long as it isn't a Rules of Evidence violation
Jesus Christ.

>>29985503
Anything ISO 20022 related. I'm biased towards XRP, and you won't hear anything good about it from me. It's too high in the marketcap for me to make it. Since I was hodling BSV, I lost a lot of potential gains (made like 70% instead of like 10x). Currently I need 10x to make it, and because of that I prefer Algorand way more. It doesn't have bad PR of XRP, and it's tx/s, and fees are on a level of BSV, without wasting tones of energy for mining.

>>29986152
BSV bagholders are truly fucking morons.

>>29985081
Thanks for all the answers.
That said, I'm uncomfortable with all versions of Bitcoin, desu. I admit BSV believers have some very good points (I do think BTC is manipulated as fuck), but I also don't think the original code, as is, is a viable solution. I'm going to stick to Monero for now, even if it's not the OG.

>>29986217
yeah it's amazing how stupid they can get when they go for it.

>>29986152
>>29986217
Based high IQ chads. I'm glad I get to share Biz with people like you who aren't falling for the most ovirt and obvious bullshit conjured on this basket weaving site.

>>29985862
Yep, well put.

>>29986154
nice i got a big bag of ALGO at .3150, so i would agree with that. still dont have any XDC or IOTA, probably should, but Im also making good money staking shitcoins so idk if its worth the opportunity cost when I already own 3 major ISO20022 coins.

>>29986112
You think we don't hold BTC as well ?
The vast majority of BSV proponents are early Bitcoin adopters.
We however believe in Satoshis Vision that Bitcoin was meant to be used as peer to peer cash in every corner of the world, to allow farmers to sell their crops directly to consumers and for people to be their own Uber amongst 1000 other use cases.

Watch this. This is what the vision is.
https://youtu.be/hXUOSCGfuJA

>>29986405
Nothing wrong with Monero. Completely different use case.

>>29986536
>You think we don't hold BTC as well ?
i always assume when i meet a retard that he is a full retard.

>>29986152
Too bad that law works in courts and not in your mind.
You do know that the Klieman's lawyers have agreed to the addresses in the Tulip trust.
Just wait till he get's the rights legally to the protocol.. Stay salty.

>>29986536
also you can't possibly pay me enough to listen to that homosexuals incoherent ramblings about things he doesn't understand.

>>29986770
Must have gleamed that from staring in the mirror

>>29986217
Seriously. And the low IQ shilling in every thread.

>>29986405
Monero indeed has a use case, but governments hate anonymity coins. They'll sooner or later make it impossible for you to cash out. I'd advise you to only use it, when you need it, and hodl something else, that you can actually make money on.

>>29986469
These picks might not be final. Imo. IOTA is a vaporware. But I might be wrong. If you want to jump on these coins, at least make a lot of research before doing so. I don't do research anymore on them, as I don't see them outperforming Algo.

>>29986536
Rulers will never let that happen. In 10 years there probably won't be a single PoW coin left.

>>29986875
>lso you can't possibly pay me enough to listen to that homosexuals incoherent ramblings about things he doesn't understand
Oh you mean like Bitcoin being turing complete.
You are a typical fag. Throwing around name calling and not showing any substance.

Wonder why you haters never bring this up
https://youtu.be/LdvQTwjVmrE?t=1006

Craig Wright smacked down every developer on planet earth.
He was the only person on PLANET EARTH that knew that Bitcoin was turing complete.
He told everyone that Bitcoin is Turing Complete at a conference. Look at the reaction.
This went on for months on Twitter and blogs and forums. He's insane, he's a grifter.
https://chescosteve.blogspot.com/2016/05/craig-wright-satoshi-and-turing.html

and yet it turns out he was 100% correct.
https://twitter.com/sinoTrinity/status/1355577117619044352 (embed)

and people don't understand WHY that is important. Keep buying your non scalable coins. BSV Will have it's day in the sun DESPITE 15,662,247 BSV being actively shorted for over a year. If those shorts ever close their position that will be a 433% rise in price if not one coin is purchased.

>>29981595
BSV is stupid white man corpo coin.

>>29987013
>Wonder why you haters never bring this up
>Shares video
>Craig gets BTFOed by first guy who responds on stage
>Second guy says "well, if another language is Turing complete, then it could talk with bitcoin if a whole new code was made"
(you):
>Thinks this means bitcoin is "turing complete"

>>29983669
how to buy bags for village?

>>29987013
>Oh you mean like Bitcoin being turing complete.
it's fucking not
attaching external turing machines to it to drive non deterministic smart contracts still don't count.

>>29987757
>Craig gets BTFOed by first guy who responds on stage
Yeah and that second guy was WRONG 100%
See you think calling someone an idiot wins a debate. This is why you will lose in the end.

Bitcoin IS Turing complete. That's just a fact.
https://twitter.com/sinoTrinity/status/1355577117619044352

>>29987854
Nope you are wrong.
https://youtu.be/hXUOSCGfuJA?t=395

>>29988056
>Bitcoin IS Turing complete. That's just a fact.
it's a well known fact it's not. and that was a conscious design decision as you would only need a single opcode to turn bitcoin turing complete: a conditional jump operator. satoshi was an accomplished programmer and added like a hundred opcodes he didn't make that by mistake.

>>29986847
>Too bad that law works in courts and not in your mind.
I'm literally a licensed attorney. That's why I'm not moved by all the ramblings of schizoid laypeople who conflate the minutia of procedural maneuvers that accompany this and every other piece of intentionally-murky complex litigation advanced by every other crack-smoking huckster with some kind of conclusive set of factual findings that outside observers should treat as proof.

The only thing more sad than the ride you are all being taken on by this dickhead's increasingly-complex web of lies is the fact that he's somehow gaslighted you all into eagerly accept a vision of Crypto's future where the real meat of validation and proof and establishing the viability of the space's future evidently happens in courtrooms with lawyers and ugly protracted shitflinging instead of through the actual use of the trustless technology that he claims such enthusiasm about championing.

>>29988201
>it's a well known fact it's not.
Bullshit. Game of life is running on the blockchain right now. you have ZERO clue what you are talking about.
BSV loops easily.

>>29988201
This. Although there is a wrong narrative, that if something is Turing complete, then it's instantly superior. Maybe Satoshi designed Bitcoin to not be Turing complete, as a feature? Silvio Micali, founder of Algorand mentions that a lot, that you rarely need Turing completeness in finances. And that most hacks in ETH ecosystem happened, because of overcomplicated contracts

>>29988160
i'm still not listening to that idiot i gave that up years ago at first i felt h deserves to at least be heard but the sheer amount of stupid and immature sperging and posturing just made me not care about a word that leaves his mouth.

what you can do to convince me is since any turing machine can emultate all other turing machines show me a bitcoin script that emulates the simplest turing machine in existence the subleq machine!

>>29981595
BIP 101 was voted on by the 90% of mining pools to be Bitcoin going forward, anybody who doesnt understand this is a fucking retard.

>>29988219
>I'm literally a licensed attorney.
Sure you are. What's you license number ?
The rest is veiled bullshit with zero content.
If he is lying, the courts will figure it out.

>>29988423
>i'm still not listening to that idiot i gave that up years ago
Cool... but you are still wrong if you can not refute what is said.

>>29988339
>Game of life is running on the blockchain right now
no it's not. it's running on a server and written to the blockchain like all other garbage be it weather data or forum posts...

>>29988483
no the burden of proof is on you. >>29988423
show me bitcoin script that emulates the simplest turing machine in existence!

>>29988593
>show me bitcoin script that emulates the simplest turing machine in existence!
Ok, I've posted it 4 times now. Just keep pluggin your ears.
https://coingeek.com/theory-of-bitcoin-part-5-bitcoin-and-turing-completeness-explained/
https://coingeek.com/bitcoin-script-is-turing-complete-scrypts-game-of-life-is-proof/

here I took a picture you

>>29988201
>>29988219
High IQ chads

>>29988776
but it's all bullshit. i have designed and implemented a couple of programming languages. bitcoin script is not turing complete. and on purpose. it would have been trivial to make it turing complete. it was avoided because it causes more problems than what it solves for bitcoin.

>>29988776
still waiting on bitcoin script that emulates subleq operator. a simple fucking little operator... there are only turing machines that are a million times more complex from there. and each and every one of them can emulate subleq and each other.

>>29989025
So says you. However you are incorrect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk2MH9O4pXY

>>29988776
Coingeek is as much of a source as CNN. It's literally being written by paid shills.

>>29989136
Oh so the wright brother's airplanes are not airplanes since they are not 747s.
GREAT argument!

>>29988431
It's truly remarkable that a BSV bagholder will expect a stranger to dox himself with a professional license on a cantonese paper mache penpal bulletin board to verify a credential, but will never expect a self-proclaimed Satoshi to sign a blockchain before they start dumping their own hard-earned money into his scam.

Here's a pro-tip for anyone ITT who cares to read it from a Professional who appreciates crypto specifically because he has seen first-hand exactly how much waste that trustless technology can cut out of Finance: The future of this space will not, and in a technical sense *cannot*, belong to people who think they can litigate a sense of legitimacy for their project into existence. Don't get strung along by bullshit just because picking up breadcrumbs and trying to parse through complicated legal proceedings makes you feel smart. Crypto is going to move on without this loudmouth schizoid scammer, and while he'll surely find a new racket like these bottom-feeders always do, it would be a shame if you got left behind with him.

>>29989279
Attack the Source and not the content.
Good job

>>29985343
''The best you can invest in would be coins, that are cooperating with bankers abd joos''

>Hedera hashgraph, HBAR

>>29989337
>It's truly remarkable that a BSV bagholder will expect a stranger to dox himself with a professional license
It's truly remarkable that someone should be belived because they say I am a Navy Seal on 4 chan.

>>29989304
subleq or btfo
your choice

>>29989256
i never said life was not turing complete. in fact you can write life in life. which is hilarious. i said they are not running it on bitcoin. they are running it on a pc. there is a big difference.

>>29989679
No that is running on the BSV blockchain, right now
https://twitter.com/CostaSga/status/1336929785310810114

>>29989808
every pc is turing complete so it will obviously run life.

>>29989808
i have to tell you something and it may come to you as a shock. you are being fed lies by these assholes in calvins employment.

>>29989987
He didn't say it was running on a computer.
It's running on the Blockchain.
https://coingeek.com/bitcoin-script-is-turing-complete-scrypts-game-of-life-is-proof/

for the 5th time.

>>29990065
This anon's got it right. I was played by Craig, and held BSV for months, and lost so much potential gains. Although since I left that sinking ship I started making very good investment decisions (buying dot at $5 for particular). Godspeed anon.

>>29990065
Yeah vs believing AXA, Blockstream and Digital Currency Group. Sure thing.

>>29990162
>He didn't say it was running on a computer.
lmao how fucking naive you are?
>It's running on the Blockchain.
no it's not. it can't. script on the blockchain has no state no deterministic state transitions and no ability to drive itself nor any ability to pass on parameters to other scripts.

and within the script itself while it has a stack it can use it has no conditional jump operator.

so within a single execution bitcoin script is definitely not turing complete and if you count transactions as iterations like a PC (program counter) it's definitely not turing complete.

but if you add an external turing machine like a personal computer then you can play pretend all you like.

>>29989462
You're right. Proof shouldn't be easy and cheap. That's why it's so special that Craig- Sorry, I mean Satoshi- is showing the world the true value of Crypto: As a complex mountain of inscrutable data for teams of attorneys to contrive paranoid amphetamine-fueled stories about to claim that their clients are entitled to millions of dollars.

>>29990222
i'm a dev i can read and debug code i believe myself.

>>29981940
Or just follow the money.

>>29990407
>but if you add an external turing machine like a personal computer then you can play pretend all you like.
So any blockchain can run it.. Cool... story.. bro

>>29982762
This

>>29990476
Of course. Devs and Lawyers all over the place on 4 can. Navy Seals too.

>>29990521
no i'm telling you they are running their retarded shit on a pc. if you find that pc and put an axe into it it will just stop.

>>29981595
it's the real bitcoin and craig is satoshi, unironically. that's it. that's the redpill.

>>29981764
Then what does it tell you about /pol/?

>>29990576
yeah we soo rare there is only a handful left on the planet. i totally understand the skepticism lmao.

>>29990619
Yes they are all just making it up.
it's actually all running on an Raspberry pi..

>>29981595

the ones believing crag wright is satoshi are the same ones believing q anon shit and that the elections were rigged.

don't follow mass stupidity and let natural selection remove their genes from the gene pool

>>29990830
uh huh

>>29983079
Why DID btc have 1 as the first number of wallets ?

Why do bsv wallets start with a ‘1’ now?

>so much discussion of BSV
>my margin long is about to get liq'd still

Feels bad man.

>>29990830
Found the Israeli shareblue agent . Hello rabbi Shalom nigger

>>29990909
Here, since you think excel sheets prove anything. Here is a confession from Craig stating he didn't make anything.

>>29991177
Thank Elon and China - and any of Elon’s faggot Twitter followers and China chat bots that shill for Elon

>>29991188
checked

THAT’S THE END!!!
RECKTED
I KNOW WHAT TO DO
YOU WILL STAY LOW ON THIS THREAD
JULB FARMING ON JULSWAP
1700$ FROM 33000$ FOR A MONTH

>>29991267
LMAo use the interenet bro.
It's easy to see that they were on the same IP. YOU blockstream shills gotta try harder.

>>29982240
because it's a lie and is not possible with Bitcoin's current or original design

>>29991833
sure thing

>>29992060
Indeed BTC is broken, but it doesn't make BSV automatically Bitcoin. BTC was overtaken by blockstream, while BSV is overtaken by faketoshi, which wants to change Bitcoin into turing complete public database.

>>29992163
You are gay. You have to tell your dad some day

>>29990811
could be or on an old laptop. but i guarantee you there is a computer that if you trashed that "game" "running" on bsv would just fucking stop.

because even if you add a few opcodes to make bitcoin script turing complete it would still not be able to drive deterministic smart contracts with predetermined outputs.

you see bitcoin script is unable to determine outputs. it can only unlock inputs.

>>29992163
>BTC is broken
i would say it proved a concept admirably and also proved it will survive the next n halvings as miners already have substantial income from fees. which can't be said for the cash forks. all they proved is big blocks lead to decreased security as subsidy goes away.

>>29992163
>BSV is overtaken by faketoshi
Nope. In you rmind maybe, but BSV has 200 devs and Craig doesn't have near the say in things that you believe. Calvin Ayre says as much every single day on twitter.

>which wants to change Bitcoin into turing complete public database
which is the 2009 protocol

where is BSV available?

>>29992651
>BSV has 200
you can divide anything calvin says by a 100.
like when he said he will acquire enough hashrate to 51 btc... and he ended up with less than 1% of bitcoins hashrate in total and bankrupted the company called squire (now taal).

>>29992316
>bitcoin script is unable to determine outputs
Yeap everyone is fooled except you
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-sv-turing-complete-creating-140000616.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABYrCqZ1wgDNfWdZ3rsMzS4tl3NcR4Z50KBTbe1LkACC6Qkdo1aKqguP0I_iLeTSAgsbjrpvGkyzOseoYIvhRonC4Hb6NE_R1930VwTO2BGuWi2Y0AmxDHyIYmAb5ZP9L5gcOLXXh6rZisJyFHOm4ioab4Rguf-7T9-Ylqy8NuL3

>>29992446
Wouldn't it be better to increase blocksize limit to like 10 MB? $2 for a transaction wouldn't really hurt people, while right now we're at $20, and at this rate we could see $100+ by the end of bullrun. Hard drives are not that expensive. you can buy 4TB for like $100. It wouldn't make Raspberri PI node owners go broke.

>>29993156
There are pictures of the 200 devs. They even showed up for a Livecast for the Genisis block day. Stop talking shit.
Tall is doing just fine up 300% this month. Why do you just constantly smear people. You are 100% full of shit.

>>29993354
because they would have to hard fork in order to do it.

>>29993301
yes because if there is ONE source on the entire planet that cannot be fooled its fucking yahoo finance .come on you fucking retard

>>29993475
i never seen that but i know calvin can throw a party and organize demonstrations he can gather up a bunch of uni dropouts with free pizza any day.

>>29981940
reminder that Craig Wright is willing to completely destroy the foundations of decentralized currency for a few shekels

second reminder that he thinks every world government will put a gun to the head of BTC miners to give him these shekels

>>29993354
>Wouldn't it be better to increase blocksize limit to like 10 MB?
maybe but i personally think moneros was is the was to go.
sma cap on block size as anti-spam measure. a miner can only include more tx if he pays penalty from the block subsidy to an anyone can spend time locked address.

that was miners will only make larger blocks than average if there is real demand willing to pay for it but fees don't go sky high and congestion don't occur. spamming and blockchain grafiti is still expensive but the stupid traffic jams won't occur.

>>29993812
--was
++way

>>29993586
Oh yeah because the ONLY place this is on the internet ins Yahoo.com
Sure we should believe YOU! Fuck off lmao

>>29993602
Yes it's all smoke and mirrors. All the devs don't really exist lmao.

>>29993636
Is that right ? then why didn't he dump any of the 600k bitcoin that he does have ?

>>29993636
it's a hilarious concept he shouldn't have emboldened by the imbeciles that pulled the whitepaper.
there had been quiet a few discussions on github you can look up for yourself about the whitepapers proper place. many felt it does not belong to the documentation folder because it does not describe how bitcoin works it's just a vague concept.
others argued that satoshi included in the original release as part of the documentation.
so in this mess comes craigs lawyer and some weak nerved soiboi pussy merged in a change under 2 hours thinking it doesn't fucking matter.

>>29993996
>>29994056
>>29994108
When you have to post three times in a row because you're slowly going mentally unhinged from being proven wrong over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over

>>29994056
they can or they can not. that's all i'm saying.
i won't believe anything calvin says or tweets by default. if proven otherwise sure i will change my stance. so far however calvin only proved to be more resilient than i thought.

>>29983631
filling the blocks with random weather data doesn't mean they are actually being used, retard

>>29982762
this is strategic.

you can hear it when people like Saylor talk about bitcoin too. They intentionally abstain from discussions involving how it could undermine our financial system or be used as currency in general and stick to the "store of value" rhetoric. This is 100% part of the plan.

BTC appears less threatening this way. It appears less criminal, more regulatory, less of a competitor to The System.

How much of a mushbrain do you have to be to not see how intelligently this is being played out. 4D chess.

>>29994258
Or maybe I am replying to three different people. lol
Try harder. That's ok I can handle more shit sniper.

>>29994362
Do you research the teams are there and showing thier work.

>>29994460
You think that is what it is ? LMFAO.
You could not be more wrong. Want me to paste over 100 working transaction cases ?
Or just look here.
https://bitcoinblocks.live/historical

Durrrr... Hurr de durrrrrr

>>29994537
you are telling me... that you don't know... how to respond to multiple people in one post...

>>29994772
Nah I am playing games while I fuck with this thread

so the price action of BTC is all theater?

>>29989337
>It's truly remarkable that a BSV bagholder will expect a stranger to dox himself with a professional license on a cantonese paper mache penpal bulletin board to verify a credential, but will never expect a self-proclaimed Satoshi to sign a blockchain before they start dumping their own hard-earned money into his scam.
hahahahaha rekt

>>29995440
it's an opera where Tether plays

>>29984646
Their leader Adam Back told BTC users to just start a tab with the business and settle it later. What a joke.

>>29994587
no i never researched the other coins dev teams. i'm only really bothering with bitcoin. i just know ho calvin is. i could be wrong but i doubt he has 200 actual devs. not that he can't afford it but it would be horrible investment.

>>29996198
Look at the smart contracts that have come out in the last 6 months.
https://metastore.app/apps?sort=hot

Or just believe Calvin is making it up. Whatever

>>29981595
I have the same number of BTC as I have BCH and BSV because I haven't bought either since before BCH forked. If there is a flippening I'm safe but I somehow doubt that will ever happen. So it doesn't matter if BSV is closest to Satoshi's original vision, it won't ever have first-mover status.

btw that tweet was taken out of context by s cucks.
peter was ironic about the ""evidence""

>>29996305
i'm not opening that url but if you can link me a github i will tell you why the project is bullshit and how.

>>29994460
The weather hasn't been leading the transactions for months. Educate yourself.

>>29982762
>>29994470
I don't understand this conspiracy theory. If the feds didn't want bitcoin to be spendable why does Nano exist? Why does litecoin exist?

Who gives a fuck about if Bitcoin™ does it if it happens.

It just seems like this guy is a fraudster who silences people with lawsuits. Satoshi would be happy that any crypto could accomplish his "vision" which is why we still don't know who he is

>>29996855
ya hear that boys? The graph is for years and years but its OK because the weather data hasn't been used "for months". Nothing to see here.

>>29994108
Why doesn't he sign a message with those wallets instead of trying to sue the blockchain

>>29997077
Can you read you retard? I said "leading", it's because it was overtaken by other sources of transactions, fucking idiots.

>>29990909

Bitcoin.com isn't a Bitcoin address

Bitcoin has and always will be .org

>>29997347
>yeah so basically we use weather data
>but recently we stopped using it and that is why other transactions are now outnumbering the weather data. Because the weather data is now zero.

holy kek

>>29990909
bitcoin.com wasnt even registered until 1/4/2008

https://who.is/whois/bitcoin.com

>>29997678
There is weather data still there.

>>29997858
hmm, maybe I misunderstood

>>29997347

KEK, they are all $0.01 transactions. "We are a real blockchain, muh transactions"

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-sv/transactions

>>29998040
As long as the miners pick them up, they still count as transactions. It is on chain data.

>>29992316
If anyone wonders, this anon is correct. And I thank him for arguing his point here. Earlier today I read an article claiming BSV could run smart contracts and I found it hard to believe.

>>29998335
weak
dibs on your GF this weekend when she goes out on girls night

>>29982240
so why hasnt BCH or BSV "broken the financial system"? inb4 muh exchanges delist

>>29997748
https://twitter.com/haydentiff/status/1139300067763003393

>>29998540
Ever heard of Tokenized? It's smart contracts on BSV.

>>29981764
/pol/ is based and redpilled. you’re a complete faggot if you disagree

>>29984431
XMR or even XRP allow on-chain and at scale more than Bitcoin Sperm Vision

>>29998840
No but the discussion about how bitcoin is Turing complete 100% demonstrates the concept is bullshit. And don't try to convince me otherwise. I don't even coutenance L2 on ethereum so this horseshit is a total nonstarter for me.

>>29999082
Alright, but can it work on any coin?

>>29998540
1 smart contract out of 1000s
https://twetch.app/

Every post is transaction handled by the smart contract and paid out instantly with 0 confs.

>>29998658
what does this have to do with bitcoin.com

also, where is the proof of that tweets claim?

>>29999559
Dont be so lazy dig around a bit
https://twitter.com/haydentiff/status/1365476625308131329

>>29999825
Sorry im on mobile, but this is very interesting, thanks for sharing

>>29998631
bump. BitcoinSpermVagina shills cant answer this

>>29990830
>elections were rigged
but they were, are you a jew faggot or a tranny?

>>30000639
https://twitter.com/haydentiff/status/1364776367842328576

>>30001236
where is tiffany getting this information, is it visibke on archive.org somewhere?

>>30001236
It's not public she is using a service that shows parked domains

>>30001687
if its not publicly verifiable, i am less inclined to beleive that what she is posting is true, but its still interesting.

haha, nice trash
my bro will never go for this shit on 4chan
we are not a retards

>JULB -all on holding on Julswap and JustLiquidity trading

>>30001834
It's public in so much as available to everyne. you just have to pay
https://twitter.com/hernandoJS/status/1365111626492489728

>>29983452
>300k transactions per day
Almost all of which is weather data X-D

>I AM THE CREATOR OF BITCORNS!1!!!
>I HAVE ZERO PROOF AND I'LL SUE ANYONE WHO SUGGESTS IM NOT ACTUALLY SATOSHI
>RATHER THAN CREATE A BLOCKCHAIN THAT FLOATS ON ITS OWN MERIT, MY MARKETING STRATEGY IS TO CLAIM IP RIGHTS AND RANT ABOUT HOW IM GONNA DOOMP ALLLLLLLLLL THE BITCORNS IN THE JIHAD BUTTFUCKENING OF THE CENTURY!
>BITCORNS KEEPS RISING IN VALUE WHILE THE REAL BITCORNS DOES SWEET FUCK ALL, BUT ONE DAY SOON MARK MY WORDS ALL THE MONEY WILL COME TO REAL BITCORNS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

csw is really the only thing holding bsv back, it would be a top 10 coin today if he wasnt such a lying camwhore

>>29982240
MasterCard and the rest of the (((elite finance dudes))) took over crypto, its BitCoin vs the world

>>30002285
Wrong
https://trends.cash/ranking/
https://bitcoinblocks.live/historical

>>29988219
Learn to use commas, nigger.

i forgot BSV was even a thing.

This is why I'm buying BSV.

>>30003968
That means bsv is going against the banksters?

all the bsv schizo posting from polnpcs is the biggest sell signal there could ever be

>>30003472
it isn't.

>>30004324
Ky(((s)))

>>30003019
Csw is the only reason i never bought and never will

>>30006140
Craig is the only reason there is a functioning implementation of the whitepaper, and is why i bought and will continue to buy.

>>30006557
same

>>29998955
Then maybe you should stay there

>>29986908
it was a one way mirror

>>29993636
If that's his writing he obviously is not Satoshi. This guy is a crank fraud.

>>29983739
True

>>30007162
We will see. Just relax and enjoy the show.

https://youtu.be/dC0wwFJ7cHM?t=100

>>29984646
>why do people actually shill this bullshit??
They are:
a) central banking shills
b) scared to lose invested money
c) don't understand blockchain
d) all of the above/Gregory Maxwell

>>29999999
>>30000000

>>29985119
>not even the government should be able to stop
Governments can seize hashpower. In fact the West should stop serving kikes and niggers for two seconds to invest in Bitcoin mining. Its unironically a national security concern.

>>29985343
Given Craig's antics for the past few years you might be right.

>>29985503
>>29989350
Centralized garbage is not at all the technological nor the economic breakthrough that is Bitcoin in the slightest.

>>29986405
Monero is the only coin besides Bitcoin worth holding.

>>29990909
>bitcoin.com
nice bait

>>30008517
Monero is the only coin worth hodling. It's the only coin worth spending an undisclosed amount of on undisclosed services.

>>29982762
Yep this anon gets it

>>29987013
They can print tether ad infinitum, anon. The shorts won't be stopping until tether is stopped and at this point I don't think it will be.

>>30002285
Imagine not knowing you can get paid 100% passive income by having an IoT Device report the local weather..
>NGMI

>>29982240
Because Adam Back realised he couldn't get rich that way, and it would be better to suck the dicks of the chinese miners.
>>29982762
Fucking spot on

>>29988201
You literally loop by adding transactions or using a payment channel. Its Turing complete, guy.

>>29982240
Because the price of btc increases faggot
Holyshit you bav fags have room temperature iq

>>30008737
10% IOTA
10% BTC
40% BSV
40% XMR
Never been comfier. Will flip IOTA for UDSC around $10-15 and buy into LTC during the January crash.

>>29984646
>b-bro stop fudding, l-lightning network is coming, next year, again!

>>29990476
You mean you can over engineer software to compensate for percieved problems with blockchain and scale that don't actually exist. You default to walling off the blockchain to users and moving Bitcoin to a bank to bank network instead of peer to peer. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but pushing Bitcoin in this direction while understanding the effects is the scummiest shit imaginable.

>>29992060
Kek this got as high as 100k times higher a week ago.

BTC = benis in vagene
BSV = benis in poppy butt

>>29993153
Bittrex if you're a burger.

>>29994460
>monitized data isn't actually monetized data, retard

>>30009007
>>30009659
>>30009801
>>30009908
>>30010062
When craig pays you by the post and you're desperate to keep a dead shill thread going

>>29994470
>BTC appears less threatening this way
Bankers literally reigned in ALL of the disruptive potential of Bitcoin.

At least with actual gold you can hand it off or even withdraw it from banks to cause a run. With BTC they've made a system where normal people literally cannot use Bitcoin because of the fees. The fees today are tiny to what they'll be as more people try to use it. They've created the perfect Goldsmith 2.0 scam using BTC. Its fucking blackpilling senpaitachi...

The one thing that was going to aid our fight against central banking has only entrenched its power further.

>>30009908
KuCoin*
>no reporting

>>29998040
Imagine thinking this was a bad thing on a technology that monitzies data.

>>29998955
Uhh based

>>30010292
>not knowing Btc was created by ((them)) to disrupt the gold market in the first place

>>30004203
Yes.

BSV goes against bankers, but still operates under the law. BSV is the only coin that does this.

>>29985343
>The best you can invest in would be coins, that are cooperating with bankers.
>>30011632
>but still operates under the law
*tee hee* Wait anon, you wouldn't really fall for that, right? Why don't you value your privacy in a free market?

>>30012604
>file at an undisclosed location

>>30012604
Is using cash privacy?

>>29981595
CSW intends to issue an additional 1.1 million new satoshi coins on BSV. There will be 22.1 million BSV ultimately. These coins will replace his stolen holdings are allow the chain to retain immutability.

>>30013247
Source?

>>30013480
Its fanfic.

>>29981595

Its make-believe internet money and its worth FUCKING 50k.

How is it not already great.

>>30014016
Because its effectively become a backend bank to bank network that serves none of the original purpose.

>>30008972
Jesus christ that pic