/biz/ - Business & Finance

rolling for a date with monerochan

>>29939006
speaking of, what happened to the last thread?

>>29939211
didn't follow, archived I guess?

>>29939414
It seems like it just disappeared from the catalog.
>>29904581
Maybe it archived.

I only have 10... :/

>>29939906
how does 400k sound?

I can spend my XMR on drugs, gambling, guns, and malware but not hookers. I won't feel like Monero has truly made it until whores are willing to suck my dick for it.

In time, Monero will be one of the most valuable commodities in existence.

*tee hee*
Hey anon! Prove to me you are a Monero chad. Go on, don't be shy...

>>29940644
>glowniggers are now larping as monerokun to get anons to expose themselves
what did they mean by this?

>>29940644
This post glows.

i love monero-chan
i dont have monero tho

>>29940644
I run a full node and solo mine to support the network.

I reduced my position from slightly above 1 to slightly below 1 XMR.

>>29940998
Sounds like something you should fix anon

>>29938906
I have 1 XMRs, when do I become rich

>>29941542
eoy

>>29941096
Just short it on Binance. I went from 1 to 10 in like two days

>>29941542
You have [redacted] amount. Pls anon be safe.

anon, is there a way to show your monero wallet size to the front gate staff at The Citadel? Some sort of view only option for a wallet?

>>29941763
if you have a wallet, you are already part of the citadel

If I buy a single monero every Friday for the next 6 months will I make it?

>>29941731
women anhero when they see my monero

>>29941913
>If I buy a single monero every Friday for the next 6 months will I make it?
yes, but 6 months from now, when you're about to spend 5k on one XMR, you'll look back on Feb 28th and wish you yolo'd at 200$. It's literally the difference between a suicide stack and a makeit stack.

The Citadel rewards those who yolo'd as much as they could within their means.

>>29941608
Their fees look better than Kraken's. What pair did you short?

>>29941877
holy shit xmr has the best memes

>>29938906
I know it has been a common Indian tactic to post this shitcoin lately, but I’m gonna help all the newfags out here with some facts about this coin.

>getting banned from exchanges, there will be no market very soon
>it provides privacy through obfuscation, not cryptography. This is bad news for privacy. The only thing “crypto” about it is that miners solve cryptographic hashes
>no smart contracts. Not really a robust currency for something that markets itself as such
>it is traceable, in a probabilistic way. Technically speaking, more traceable than cryptos that implement zk snarks
>Spam attacks are economically feasible for those with intent to destroy the network. From the monero plebbit itself (search “spam attack”in the monero subplebbit). It would show you that a spam attack could increase the blockchain by 60GB for a measly 1260XMR.

People will likely attack me but have no real defense or education on the subject matter to refute me.

is the makeit stack 18.7 or 187? I forgot

>>29942429
Mere assertion: the post

Sorry for being a retard. If I leave a 1700 cpu mining for an hour each day should I be worried about my power bill

>>29942727
Refute it then

>>29942429
thanks for the fud bro, let's keep the price down longer so we can accumulate...
>getting banned from exchanges, there will be no market very soon
no it won't, watch the Dr. kim video on game theory. Even if it does get banned in place, it won't get banned everywhere and you can always exchange other crypto for monero so you'd need to ban all crypto. also drugs are illegal but people still use them

>it provides privacy through obfuscation, not cryptography. This is bad news for privacy. The only thing “crypto” about it is that miners solve cryptographic hashes
it uses technology to make it private, no one fucking a care about whatever point you are trying to make

>no smart contracts. Not really a robust currency for something that markets itself as such
no need, monero is money - not contracts. leave that to something else

>it is traceable, in a probabilistic way. Technically speaking, more traceable than cryptos that implement zk snarks
trusted by DNMs, nothing is 100% and there is also user error. monero is the best we have and they keep on improving it. just because you might have a clue about the transactions, doesn't mean it is traceable

>Spam attacks are economically feasible for those with intent to destroy the network. From the monero plebbit itself (search “spam attack”in the monero subplebbit). It would show you that a spam attack could increase the blockchain by 60GB for a measly 1260XMR.
i don't know specifically about this case but attacks are inevitable, whats important is the response, resolution and future mitigation

>>29942429
some of the facts you state are correct, but your conclusions are just retarded. I could explain why for each one of those but I'm not even sure you want to know. The subreddit might be a better place to discuss them if you're really interested.
Also if you're so sure you can trace a single monero transaction, you should go get that $625k IRS bounty.

>>29942865
Provide something to refute beyond baseless assertions

>>29942842
honestly I feel like it would be comparable to having another refrigerator in your house

>>29942429
>>>29938906 (OP)
>>getting banned from exchanges, there will be no market very soon

Only exchange delisting I'm aware of is Bittrex and there was no liquidity there anyway. Atomic swaps will be implemented soon and then this is a non-issue.

>>it provides privacy through obfuscation, not cryptography. This is bad news for privacy. The only thing “crypto” about it is that miners solve cryptographic hashes

Wut? It's obviously more private than every other crypto out there. Why wise would darknet be adopting it instead of alternatives?

>>no smart contracts. Not really a robust currency for something that markets itself as such

Who cares, BTC has no smart contacts. Part of Monero 's appeal is it's trying to do one thing well: be a fungible currency.

>>it is traceable, in a probabilistic way. Technically speaking, more traceable than cryptos that implement zk snarks

Source on this? It's not traceable. Probabilities won't hold up in a civilized court.

>>Spam attacks are economically feasible for those with intent to destroy the network. From the monero plebbit itself (search “spam attack”in the monero subplebbit). It would show you that a spam attack could increase the blockchain by 60GB for a measly 1260XMR.

With responsive devs each attack just teaches them how to better strengthen the network. This isn't a serious concern if network keeps growing at current rate.

>>29942921
Sorry but this was a very bad defense of something I’m assuming you are invested in.

>it won’t get banned
This is the only pass, yes potentially people could still transact with monero if it gets taken off exchanges.

>no one cares about whatever point you are trying to make
Well, I care. Technically speaking, monero was more likely to be traceable until they increased the ring sig size. Point is, security through obfuscation is not a good approach

>no need for smart contracts. Leave that to something else
Smart contracts are huge. Lets say you want a decentralized poker system that uses monero. You don’t have a lot of options to show your game is provably fair and will pay out. So the currency itself remains decentralized, but the apps around it remain centralized. I.e. monero lacks utility

>trusted by DNMs
Monero did have the early mover advantage, made in 2014. Technically speaking, yes it’s better than BTC, sure. That said, just because junkies switched over to Monero doesn’t automatically make it good

>whats important is the response and future mitigation
No. This is what destroys a crypto. Ethereum does not scale, and now they are paying the price. Monero has been around since 2014, and that is a high risk high probability attack. That should have already been mitigated. Everyone in the security world knows preventative action is better than reactive action. Websites dont “wait” to be hacked or attacked before trying to implement security features

>>29942429
great post with some interesting questions.
>banned
There are plenty of exchanges that support Monero and have continued to support Monero. Regulation fud is a meme. Just last week Monero was added on a Turkish exchange. Why is this news not covered, but if an exchange in South Korea gets rid of it, then there is concern? Just yesterday, Grayscale announced interest in investment interest.
And, as often is said, Bitcoin went through this same cycle previously.
>provides privacy through obfuscation, not cryptography.
yeah this is completely fucking retarded.
monero uses zero knowledge proofs to hide transaction amounts and it uses the ed21559 curve when creating stealth addresses, etc..
>no smart contracts.
Monero has usecase. It is designed to be digital cash and financial freedom.
>>it is traceable, in a probabilistic way. Technically speaking, more traceable than cryptos that implement zk snarks
zk snarks are also traceable in a probalistic way too (through metadata leaking). Zk snarks are also trusted set up, which requires trust in a centralized company, which is an inherent weakness that Monero does not share.
You can argue that Monero's model may have some weaknesses, but every type of privacy can have ways of attacking it. The important thing is that the privacy is built into the base layer, and also that the protocol is improved if weaknesses in privacy emerge. Monero's built in privacy has been adopted by the dark net for a reason.
>Spam attacks are economically feasible for those with intent to destroy the network.
Spam attacks, also known as a big bang attack, have been talked about before. Your calculations are also behind because monero has become more expensive.

no digits for >>29939006
roll

>>29942495
18.7

>>29943646
Monerochad detected. Fudder destroyed.

>>29940644
Hodling an unspecified amount. I solo mine on a laptop and I expect my unspecified amount of XMR will significantly increase in value.

>>29943646
>PGP in the ID
I'm not going to ask for a signature on that

>>29943646
Don't forget tari, fluffy's project which will enable smart contracts as a sidechain for monero

>>29942429
>I know it has been a common Indian tactic to post this shitcoin lately
Poisoning the well
>but I’m gonna help all the newfags out here with some facts about this coin
Thanks for caring about their financial situation
>getting banned from exchanges, there will be no market very soon
source: just trust me bro
>it provides privacy through obfuscation, not cryptography. This is bad news for privacy. The only thing “crypto” about it is that miners solve cryptographic hashes
You don't know what security through obfuscation means, the second half is a straight lie
>no smart contracts. Not really a robust currency for something that markets itself as such
Why would a currency ever need smart contracts? How does a lack of them decrease its robustness?
>it is traceable, in a probabilistic way. Technically speaking, more traceable than cryptos that implement zk snarks
Provide proof, also provide an alternative crypto that provides less traceability in practical terms
>Spam attacks are economically feasible for those with intent to destroy the network. From the monero plebbit itself (search “spam attack”in the monero subplebbit). It would show you that a spam attack could increase the blockchain by 60GB for a measly 1260XMR.
Provide proof beyond supposed reddit posts
>People will likely attack me but have no real defense or education on the subject matter to refute me.
Poisoning the well again, for somebody that is so eager to discredit people before they respond you sure haven't said anything of value
2/10 made me respond

Will Monero become the standard?

>>29944125
yea

>>29939006
>sure we can have a drink anon! I'll meet you at [unknown location], say [obfuscated time]?

>>29939006
Rolling to pump and dump her

if i buy this on binance and send it to my mymonero wallet is that good enough or do i have to use a mixer like xmr.co ?

>>29944514
good enough. You can make a disposable address on your wallet

>>29944514
Anything marketing itself as a monero mixer is a scam taking your money. If 10 mixins are not enough for your threat model, you can 'mix' (churn) just by sending to yourself. Unless you are trying to evade someone with deep pockets who is actively trying to break your individual privacy, this is not needed though.
If that does describe you though, churning is a very good idea.

>>29942429
>source: dude trust me

>>29941877
>tiny bogs at the top
My unspecified amount of Monero and I had a good jej at that.

>>29940226
I'm sure there are hookers who accept Monero. Some guys were talking about that a month or so ago

>>29940644
I will never prove whether I am or not.

>>29942842
You can look up the power consumption of your CPU with HWMonitor or similar (it will tell you in Watts). You can compare that to e.g. a fridge

2 BTC and low hundreds XMR. I'm not 100% convinced I'm going to make it because there's some chance XMR ends up being the Linux of the cryptocurrencies, and not in the sense that Linux is being on almost all servers out there but in the desktop sense. I feel like it's going to be really hard to market and promote a project like XMR considering the high level of retardation from BTC maximalists. Too many people trust these shitty twitter influencers. Also, I know all of you faggots hate twitter and reddit and you do good to hate these platforms, but if you have an account there remember to advocate for privacy and XMR every now and then. Twitter is a huuuuge platform full of normies and the faster we can get people onboard with financial privacy the better the place this world is going to be.

How much do I need to make it? Is it enough if I buy in with 2000 euros now and some more later?

>>29940869
chad
>>29940920
chad
>>29941007
chad
>>29943856
chad
>>29945989
chad

>>29945367
>>29944540
thx brothers

>>29940644
Hey mr cia
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>>29942429
>a spam attack could increase the blockchain by 60GB for a measly 1260XMR.

"For the mere price of a house, you could make the blockchain 1.5% the size of Ethereum's!"

>>29946214
I think Monero can and should be the Linux of crypto. If we get to the point that using Monero is so user friendly your grandma can use it, the underlying tech will speak for itself. Android OS is Linux after all. Imagine an anonymous "bitcoin" wallet that uses lightning and atomic swaps to automatically use Monero as an anonymization layer. I think a lot of XMR maxis miss the mark, because it's not all or nothing in the currency game. I also think Monero has a decent chance of winning long term. Linux is only subjectively better than Windows while XMR is the closest thing to completely outclassing BTC. There is just such an asymmetric upside for Monero. It's worst case for adoption is being the number one privacy tool for anyone high IQ.

>>29940644
I have no XMR I just come here for the memes.

No XMR I’m just here for Monero Chan

>>29947306
lol seething chink

>>29948268
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>>29948268

I think the Chinese guy is angry that he doesnt know how to mine monero

>>29948503
It's an MSS officer raging that he can't track a Monero transaction so his family will be pig food for failure.

>>29948892
What?

My vault arrived :d

>>29949126
Beautiful

what does pic related mean? it says this when I'm going to make a trade buying monero by SEPA bank transfer. I haven't found any further details anywhere, but I found one listing of a guy selling for cash by mail where he said if the price of monero goes up he's only going to give how much monero the money is worth when it arrives, vs. if it goes down he doesn't give a shit and you only get the original amount agreed on. Is it the same for normal listings buying by bank payment?

Don't pay over 230 a coin for m onero buy it around 205-225 Dont let retards pump the coin

It will go up on its own

>>29949721
Yes. Imagine you run a business selling crypto for fiat. Someone sends payment of 100 usd which at the time equals 10 shitcoins. By the time the payment arrives the price of 1 shitcoin has doubled. Are you still going to give him 10? Ofc not.

When you buy crypto you essentially buy whatever amount of crypto the money you sent equals at the time of your money's arrival.

HELP. What’s the cheapest way to get some XMR in the U.S.? I’ve been told to exchange in Cake Wallet. Thoughts?

Literally just bought $10k worth because of Monero-chan

>>29950147
Absolutely based

>>29950096
cryptiswap.org worked fine for me

>>29950147

Im mad I want to buy 2k worth but i got to wait till tomorrow

Hate to be a nonbeliever but I'm waiting for the big crash before I buy into monero big time

>>29950421
Same. Still mining it though.

>>29950074
in that case, which exchanges are recommended that let you deposit money first and make instant payments later? I see kraken recommended a lot, does it have the cheapest fees buying monero?

>>29950511
I've got a few questions for you if you don't mind
>what's your monthly yield?
>what are your specs?
>does it cost a shit tonne of money to run?(electricity bills)

>>29950546
I use kucoin

Imagine being a XMRfag this entire bull run. You made like 2x max. Holy fuck.

>>29950815
it's completely useless to mine unless you have a $4k AMD Threadripper

I'm talking <$5 bucks a month. I think mining recommendations are just ways for unironic bulls to get people distracted from buying.

>>29938906
OXEN > XMR.

Monero is the AAPL of privacy coins.

>>29950944
give me a quick rundown on OXEN

>>29951016
Similar to Monero but more bullish.

>>29950861
>You made like 2x
Thanks for reminding me

>>29951154
that wasn't supposed to be a compliment. bitcoin did 14x, eth did 20x

>>29951136
>bullish
I am new to /biz/ and keep seeing this term everywhere now, not just /biz/. it's the most homosexual sounding thing I ever heard. is this meant to excite me? why do rich parasites have all these unnecessary gay-sounding words to explain their gambling addiction? just talk like a normal person amd stop reducing descriptive speech to buzzwords. might as well just say "Similar to Monero but more based", at least that doesn't sound homosexual.

>>29951301
Calm down, it was a joke based on the name.

>>29951219
I have a fat cock and a fat stack of monero, life is good, moonboy

>>29951467
ok forgive my autism

>>29951301
>is this meant to excite me?
Yes, it is supposed to conjure up images of your wife getting plowed by her black bull while you look on helplessly, your tiny dick leaking precum from its chastity cage as you anticipate having to clean up both their loins with your mouth.

>>29951626
>typing all this
cringe

>>29950861
So you know that monero hasn't pumped yet and you come here to shitpost instead of buying at the bottom? are you retarded?

>>29951637
I'm not the one who see's a word and has to suppress gay thoughts

>>29951672
>if you think something's gay that just means you're gay bro
>no u
asinine

Just imagine kidnapping with XMR, everybody will be doing it when they realize that they can get paid and not get caught. Also such cases will promote monero. Instructions for retards:

1) Steal some human being from rich fuck
2) Make sure to not get your face on camera
3) Preferably use vehicle not under your name
4) burn the vehicle, somewhere far from where you will be holding your victim
5) make sure you don't drop your DNA on victim or in the place where you will be holding them, use gloves, hats, no wool clothes
6) Record victim on video, delete Metadata from the file
7) send to rich fuck, send instructions to send monero
8) wait for money, preferably use some location that you can send address to rich fuck so you won't have to release victim yourself/drop down victim somewhere far away


Am I missing something biz? Maybe some other cool steps to add?

If you want to hide the fact you bought/own xmr from your bank/govt, you can never buy from a kyc exchange like kraken?
>t. poorfag brainlet

>>29952016
You forgot that kidnapping is illegal

>>29951906
If you think the word bullish is gay, yah you might be gay, bro. That's just classic subconscious suppression.
Now come out of that closet and suck my dick, I suck yours too. mutual satisfaction 1 inche

>>29947997
Based and agreed, king. My unspecified hodling of XMR and I now ignore other, far inferior, women. Monero-chan is perfect in every way.
>>29950147
You've done well anon. Horny analysis is the best analysis, and your love and devotion to Monero-chan shall grant you a ticket through tendie town and into Mars.
>>29950861
>buy my bags at the top. holy fuck imagine
jej. no thanks, I'm staying with Monero-chan.

>>29938906
still being shilled. I am thinking which one out of AOX, AOY or AOZ I should go with on the Apollo protocol

>>29951626
It appears that you are indeed the homosexual in this thread. I now politely ask you to stop posting and rethink your life. Having typed and then reread that post, I think you will recognize it was truly awful.

>>29951626
I will also suggest you close blacked.com for tonight and fap to Monero-chan instead.

reminder that when monero takes off normies will buy monero on Binance and leave it there then complain that monero doesn't work when the IRS anally gapes them for not paying taxes

>>29942842
It’s not gonna pull anymore energy than gaming would

>>29944125
For most of the dark net it already is

What is difference between 'account' and 'receive address' and why are mine the same?

>>29942842
the calculation for your daily electricity bill is
0.065 * ELEC PRICE * 24

>>29950815
Fren, I barely just started... Im using an 4 year old gaming pc. Mining on a 1700. Im just gonna mine an hour each day and see how that works out.

wanna check the true gem?
rofl, go for Binance Smart Chain and go for Jul
forget about this fucking dumped gas on Ethereum
any tokens can bring you benefits
>you shouldn’t be expert in trading, use holding

>>29953238
Is there an indian version of the chinese copypasta?

>>29953968
Pictures of toilets.

>>29945944

Probaly massage parlers in Thailand that convert monero to Thai baht for sexy time exchanges

I cant seem to connect to the daemon. Various p2p failures and something something invalid DNS txt received. I had 36gb of the blockchain downloaded the other day, then my desktop slept and corrupted it. Now nothing

>>29954347
Your ISP is fucking with you and/or stop using Windows.

>>29938906
Monero is inevitable.

>>29939006
Rolling to buy Monero

>>29944096
B-b-b-but exchanges will ban it! B-b-big government will tell me off if I have it!

If exchanges do ban it along with government's it simply proves exactly why we need shit like Monero.

Monero isn't perfect, show me one crypto that is, but it's fully private(minus retards user-error) But the blockchain is constantly evolving and changing. Recently went from GPU mining to CPU, show me one other crypto that has done this.

Monero isn't run by anyone, it's run by a group of people with one common goal: I don't want the government tracking every aspect of my life. And it's working if exchanges ban it, so I hope they do. Atomic swaps soon anyways lol

>>29943646
>>provides privacy through obfuscation, not cryptography.
>yeah this is completely fucking retarded.
>monero uses zero knowledge proofs to hide transaction amounts and it uses the ed21559 curve when creating stealth addresses, etc..

yeah, there are more parts to privacy than just the ring signitures:
1. hide sender (ring signiture)
2. hide amount (ringCT)
3. hide recevicer (stealth address)
4. hide IP (dandelion++)

Fudders always attack point 1, because all others are damn solid. Also ring signitures will get a lot stronger soon. In short term a bump to 15 or 17 participants is considered, in mid term triptych will be implemented at a moderate 64 or 128 participants, but for long term the very same tech can also do 8k+ participants.

Most cryptos have none of the 4 privacy measures, and yet if one can maybe be brocken fudders get hard.

>>29952016
You would have to destroy the plates and scratch out the vehicles VRM number so it cannot be identified.

>>29956957
it can be stolen

>>29944096
>60GB for a measly 1260XMR.
>Provide proof beyond supposed reddit posts

Fee is typically 0.000010 XMR
This means 1260XMR pay for 126M transactions
Each transaction is 2kB in size
So the total memory consumption is 240GB

However at the minimum block size (300kB) only 108000tx/day can be processed.
Without dynamic blockchain scaling an attack like this takes 11666 days or 32 years (lol)
even with scaling this attack is SLOW af, there will be plenty of time to fix it once it is noticed
tx count is public, so it's easy to detect, too

math doesn't check out

>>29946214
Windows only has a huge market share left because switching the ecosystem is hard, even for people who care about privacy. There are not always linux alternatives for software and even if they exist you'll have to learn a new workflow. This is not worth the effort.

Switching form BTC to XMR is a lot easier though. You'll need a new wallet, yes, but the workflow remains the same. Scan QR code, hit pay, done.

>>29938906
>>29939006
>>29940644
>>29943738
Fuck you I am buying Monero as soon I get my unemployment benefits. I jacked off to Monero Chan too many times.

Not sure if anyone mentioned this: fees will go down when more people use the blockchain at once. Don't ask me how, I'm not techy, and if you're not either don't call bs. DYOR, pajeet's

Upgrade your Monero to OхMoиero

>>29958153
Upgrade your village stream to a toilet.

I really like how the fud always crops up when Monero Is outperforming other projects. Is it XMR accumulators or btc maxis being afraid?

>>29958153
nope. 0xmonero is still vaporware bullshit
just like the last hundred times you spammed it
stop trying to steal from people by lying to them about the capabilities of the project
https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoMoonShots/comments/i27fhk/0xmonero_summary_of_findings/
>>/biz/thread/S24750658#p24755504
another recent beatdown >>/biz/thread/S28670476
ANOTHER recent beatdown >>/biz/thread/S29537367

>>29957484
>>29940644
I did it

>>29959410
Based.

xmr looks like a comfy af hold and something id like to support as well

the only thing that worries me is that its not deflationary, potentially making it a bad hold? can any anons put my qualms to rest?

>>29942842
No, it won't change your power bill, but it won't really be profitable either, 1 hour/day in a Ryzen 7 1700 is too little. You would be able to get a small profit by mining 24h/day.

>>29959488
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC9Uu5BUxII

>>29959488
Deflationary assets are hoarded, not used. Monero's "inflation rate" asymptotically approaches zero.

>>29938906
Upgrade your Monero to 0ЖMonero

>>29940644
i am building a cpu mining farm for monero

where the fuck is this shit on Binanace.us guys

>>29959542
>he bought into the people dont spend money without inflation meme
execute keynesian on sight

>>29959565
you have already been told to fuck off
see >>29958237

>>29959632
Not Keynesian. It is human nature to hoard something that diminishes in supply over time. Made worse in BTC because with the oligarchy of whales, it is not known which are just slumbering wallets and which are actually lost. Gresham's Law was already a problem with gold and silver, and it is much worse with locked in forever deflation.
If there is no mechanism to replace what is lost, there will be no incentive to use. Simple AS

>>29959612
again gentlemen, how do I buy my initial stack on Binance.us? I do not see it listed on Binance.us

also Guys, I bought GRT, ETH, BTC, ADA, BAT

Getting the original two stimulus checks in the form of a tax credit, along with the new $1400 check and I'm also getting 20k in free mone- I mean, unemployment

Where the fuck do I park this shit so it become a milli by the end of the year?

>>29959761
>If there is no mechanism to replace what is lost, there will be no incentive to use. Simple AS
there will always be a 0.6 XMR reward for solving a block

>>29959822
do I need to use Binance.US? Do I need a VPN? I see XRP is listed there as well.

Where the fuck can I buy ALL crypto, christ

I'm on Coinbase, Coinbase Pro, Binance - I need to get my shit together before I buy a Ledger

>>29959875
I don't understand. Are you aggressively agreeing with me? The OP I was replying to here >>29959488 wanted to know why XMR not being BTC deflationary is not worrying.
Block awards that asymptotically approach zero in terms of total supply is how you continue to incentivize miners, replace lost supply, and encourage use (among other things)

>>29938906
What’s the suicide stack for Monero?

>>29960094
18.7 xmr

>>29960094
0

>>29960126
Thanks

If I have my gui wallet on my pc (connected to a trezor) and I use my trezor seed phrase to recover will I also recover my gui wallet?

>>29957484
>>29959410
fucking legend

FUCK
I have BCH that I want to trade for monero, but i'm in australia where XMR is delisted on almost all CEXs and KYCs, and Morphtoken in under maintenance.
Where the fuck can I trade 0.09 bch for xmr?

Why won't we use the letter "ɱ" for nominating XMR values? For instance, "18.7 Ɱ is the suicide stack" Mj like letter references the MoneroJ usage when you're referring to multiple moneros.

I love the tech and in love with crypto not really because of money but coz of the unique features every new project gives..

I just found a gem its looks unique lets see how they work on it
https://mochimo.org/

Plz share with me more good projects.

>>29961210

https://sideshift.ai/bch/xmr

>>29941007
>t. chad mcchadestone

>>29941096
what did you buy

Ok guys, I want to become based. Is getting binance account and start buying monero enough? Do i need to set up wallet on PC? How to i start?

>>29961542

Buy XMR from either

KYC Exchanges like:
Binance (Non-US)
Kraken
Bitfinex

Or non-kyc exchanges like:
Local Monero
Morphtoken
Bisq
Kucoin
Tradeogre
Crypto ATMs
see: kycnot.me

You can use monero's official GUI wallet as your main wallet on PC.

>>29952922
Dyor

>>29961351
Thanks dude
I'm in

>>29961857
I know this might be a stupid question but if I would buy monero from binance can i store it on my pc wallet or it will be stored somewhere else?

bitcoin early adopter here, I can sell your private keys to 50x6 mined blocks from 2010 if you pay 2.5x the price in monero

>>29962055
You can send it to one of your wallets.

>>29962005

>>29962005

You're welcome dude but next time don't disclose how much you have cuz someone can identify your transaction
>>29962055
yeah when we say store it on your pc wallet, it's actually stored on the blockchain. So if you have seed phrases you can restore your wallet from anywhere anytime it's not just stored in your pc hardware

>>29962168
Nigger

>>29962055
please don't advertise here.

>>29939006
Just.. Dont

>>29948464
Is there a better feel than profiting from crime legally?

It's funny to me that the two most active generals on biz are for xmr and xrp. Anti fed vs pro fed. Non-premined vs premined. Which side are you on, anons?:

>>29964435
I only hold those two, playing both sides. Full confidence in both.

>>29948464
This but unironically.
Criminals also use cars to run away after a robbery, and we don't ban cars. Criminals may use encryption to secure their communications, but we don't ban it because everyone else (people not robbing, stealing, killing each other, etc.) also wants to have secure communications.
"X is used by criminals" cannot be an issue, because otherwise, we'd end up banning everything.

>>29964780
100% of criminals have consumed water within 24 hours of committing their crimes.

>>29964435
We are the polar opposite in almost all ways

Decentralized vs Centralized
Rational down to Earth vs Schizophrenic on edge
Technically savy vs Not knowing how technology works
Doesn't care about short term price vs Thread dominated by price speculation
Thread is helpful in setting up miners and general help to newcomers vs Hostile shitposting and demeaning other anons

It's pretty bizarre we share the same website and board with these people considering the total opposite way of thinking.

>>29964435
xrp is objectively a shitcoin while xmr is not

>>29965046
>xrp is objectively a shitcoin
Sounds more like a subjective opinion, I don’t know how anyone can look at the technology and not think it is useful for what it’s intended purpose is

>>29965269
He's right. Ripple network might be cool as in how it works. However XRP isn't even needed by the network itself and is a security. I mean it doesn't even use a blockchain at all. It shouldn't count as cryptocurrency but as corporate scrip instead (google it).

Current chart looks bullish to me.

>>29946535
Yes that's more or less what I did, I got a lump of xmr to start out at a good price and will buy more monthly from now on and any gains i make on shitcoins go to xmr also. I am holding for years

>>29949126
Aren't you worried about their security? I was think

>>29965606
*i was thinking of getting a trezor model T but it's probably smarter just to put tails on a usb and install the monero wallet on that

I believe in Monero, but I don't really see it mooning at this point. I'll be happy if it does though. I always have some xmr available because I am a filthy drug addict :^)

>>29965269
Token literally not needed

>>29965269
Algorand is better at doing what XRP tries to do.

In future we will have:
- Bitcoin as an easily auditable global reserve currency to back other currencies and assets with, including paper money (think of how Dollars used to be "silver certificates" or backed by gold and convertible into it at a fixed price)
- Monero as a store of wealth for anyone who desires privacy
- A handful of centralized digital currencies like Algorand or L2 solutions for BTC/Monero that enable quick transactions with low fees

>>29965376
>>29965698
ODL patent would require the use of XRP

>>29965554
I'm planning on buying with 2000 or 2500 euros and storing them in a cold wallet generated with moneroaddress.org. I'm planning to hold that for a long time, probably years. In addition to that I'm probably going to accumulate a smaller amount into a hot wallet.

>>29966738
>not buying an unspecified amount
ngmi

>>29950096
then when you want to do secure swaps use elude.in on the darkweb

>>29950259
i got a g, considering selling my 3k worth of other shitcoins and just all-inning monero.

>>29966738
based

bump

>>29966738
sounds like a good plan anon. buying and holding is the soundest strategy in crypto.
>>29964967
yeah XRP is brainlet tier
>>29962055
Your Monero isn't "stored" on your computer. It's stored on the blockchain. And the only way to access it on the blockchain is if you have your seed phrase (your seed phrase is basically your password).
You can use your seed phrase with different wallets to access your Monero.
>>29962005
nice anon! what wallet are you using?
>>29959488
Inflation isn't a bad thing, especially when it is a planned and provable inflation which, as others mentioned, asymptotically approaches zero.

>>29969556
>sounds like a good plan anon. buying and holding is the soundest strategy in crypto.
What I'm mostly worried about is storing the cold wallet safely. I've been thinking about ways to store it in a way that causes as little attention as possible, in case someone breaks into my apartment.

What I've also been thinking about is making a keepassxc database just for the cold wallet, in addition to paper storage. Just need to come up with a good password. I might just be paranoid, but I want to protect my investment.

>>29949126
>Actually adding your name, phone and address in a database of cryptocurrency holders.
Yikes.

Comfy

To the anon who built the kraken bot -
Where did you say was that crypto site that let you test bots out? I’m really curious to give this a shot.

Did you consider the endeavour successful?

>>29970496
perhaps keep an encrypted usb drive stashed in a good hiding place?
If you are having trouble thinking of a hiding place, I would recommend putting it inside something that would be a pain to get to (e.g. inside the wall, underneath the floorboard in a room with something heavy on top of it, inside a piece of hardware that would have to be taken apart to access it).
most important is to practice good opsec and don't tell people how much monero you have.

>>29970879
using >zsh

As a software engineer I already know this is a shit bot. ZSH is not a general programming language.

Anyone got any Firo? Thoughts about it?

>>29972478

Don't know much about it but mining reward are nice

>>29971580
It’s just a shell script for a trading bot- doesn’t need to be great so long as it works. Bruh is using a Mac probably right?

>>29972478
Pretty shit compared to monero but the guy who runs it is pretty cool and has spoke at Monero conferences.

>>29942429
Stakenet is planning to add XMR on their dex once XMR supports LN or atomic swaps. So that's at least one exchange that can never be taken down.

>>29973366
lol, whoops - hes using a raspi - sorry bros, im so high

>>29944204
kek
When will XMR support messaging like XEN?
>>29970641
Come and take it.

>>29974017
Based and gunpilled

This feels like that time I bought ETH under $100

>>29941877

The heavens: LINK

>>29942100

>5K XMR in 6 months

Anon I like the coin too, but I think you're overblowing it.

>>29976027
All the normies who panick sold btc when it dumped are now seeing xmr and shilling the fuck out of it. The fud levels in this general are way way too low.

Hey frens let's see those cake wallet balances! Heckin based and privacy pilled. To da moon!!

>>29959488
>not deflationary
Better, it's disinflationary.

>>29959981
it's not on binance us, only the global one: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/monero/markets/

Also in the OP there is a list of exchanges. You can use Kucoin and transfer BTC there and then exchange for Monero, then you should send it to your personal wallet (official GUI or CLI)

>>29971271
Thanks anon. That sounds like good advice.

>>29971271
The usb will die. You better have at least 3 backups on different types of media if you're going digital.

>>29975683
Nice. I trust Monero too.

>>29977773
so close ;_;

>>29976902
How long do usbs last?

>>29949126
I'm waiting mine to arrive. Fuck governamental postal services.

>>29976392
Most people in XRP hate BTC, why the fuck would we ever hold that surveillance tool?

>>29977829
Idk but having only one copy of your seed is insane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFO6NyLIP7M

BTW guys, has anyone been having issues mining with XMRig on xmrfast these days? For some reason, the XMR pending value stopped going up, despite mining continuing as usual.

>>29977773
>Nice. I trust Monero too.

OH NO NO NO

it's over monerobros. selling all my xmr while there's still time. I'll buy again when it's $50 next week.

Holy shit he did it, he did the mining tutorial

https://youtu.be/NMMiT_eMd-s

Can we add this video to other threads as well?

>>29979655
>>29979718
>Zooming out to 7 days
OH YES YES YES

>>29959612
you need to buy usdt, busd or bnb first, then buy monero with that. you pay transaction fee twice. the best I've seen so for just letting you buy monero is kraken, but they charge around 2%.

>>29938906
Just sent a completely private payment for $0.012
XMR forever

Hey guys, I know it's not much, but I'm happy to finally join the Monero train!

>>29979772
not bad, might be worth adding if we have the room still

>>29981562
based

>>29950825
kucoin is KYC

>>29981562

>disclosing how much monero you have

NGMI

How to into CPU mining XMR?
I have an OK desktop, i5-8400 CPU @ processor 2.8ghz
running win10 because absolute normie
Electricity is included where I live, so that is no cost

Would it be profitable to build a rig or should I just just mine on my main PC as a hobby
have ~1000 I could throw at a setup

>>29981562
congrats man!

the crypto bubble is a wealth trasnfer from NEETs and white people down on their luck, to the Jewish ruling class. Cash out while you still can.

>>29981794
>download official client
>click advanced
>click start mining
there's marginally more efficient ways to do it but you can look those up yourself. at current rates you won't turn much of a profit after accounting for electricity, so you definitely shouldn't set up a dedicated rig. feel free to buy an rpi or similar and set up a node to contribute to network health, though.

>>29981734
>use VPN and protonmail to sign up
>KYC
its not KYC unless your withdrawing more than 5BTC a day

Well, I forgot to take photos of the mining setup at my fathers but everything's set up there
He was blown away with how much I'd managed to push a bunch of old refurbs, told me he remembered when the R815 poweredge was a $5000 server
Going to be doing more hardware acquisition today so might be able to get some shots of it, my server shelf feels empty now though
Will follow up with pics

>>29981794
That should be enough to get started, you can check the OP for the mining guide at the bottom for tuning
I would recommend using XMRig and moneroocean as your mining pool but it's entirely up to you which pool you go with, you should try to support smaller pools though
Getting a dedicated rig might take a little while to break even, if you tune that current one really well though you should get a good hashrate, one pointer I would recommend is disabling hyperthread

>>29981562
You can mine that much in a month with a mediocre CPU. Try it unless you've only got a smartphone.

>>29978504
I just noticed this as well.... monero ocean...

>>29982237

take a look at Dex for JustLiquidity
don’t make fast dump
>go 500$ on yields
>waited a month
>increase to 1000$ yields pools
fees so low, kek don’t cry about gas on erc

>>29978504
I saw this on my end to with moneroocean, I think it's the chunk of the block reward for the next block the pool finds you are entitled too
After I brought my systems down it went down too with the hashrate
You're still getting your funds though once payout limit is reached

>>29982307
Sorry, are you suggesting to use monero ocean instead, or are you saying that you got the same issue there?
BTW, I tested both XMRig 6.8.1 and 6.9.0, same behavior. Seems to be server-side.

>>29982116
You realize this board has IDs right? Your 14 posts are all over the place.

>>29939006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha3QivnjbIU&feature=emb_title

>>29982483
my posts are perfectly coherent as well as my intentions

>>29980314
based, me too

>>29938906
scam coin the devs can print infinite coins

>>29939006
rolling for <UNKOWN>

>>29943604
I'm legitimately curious how new you are. meaning when did you first buy crypto. Because you seem new.

>>29982251
lol no you can't.
it takes about a month mining with 20000 h/s to get .2 xmr.

>>29983033
DUBS AND COOM ID

Guys I have a request: can you make Monerochan more muscular? I have thing for dommy girls.

it's dropped $5 in the last 45 minutes. I'm scared bros, what's going on?

>>29983033
Co0merrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>29979772
Imagine being a brainlet and needing this tutorial.
>Huurr download to software
>Add your pool
>Start your software

>>29983334
Just sell already and buy ADA or whatever is the next pump meme and leave this thread. Monero clearly isn't for you.

>>29982467
suggesting its on MONEROOCEAN, which i am also using and seeing similar that my hashrate is the same, but unpaid xmr seems to be stagnet or lagging

>>29979772
that's pretty bullish.
In the past week there have been multiple youtubers speaking out about Monero. These generals are active and consistently hitting the bump limit. Wallet downloads are breaking records. Monero holding strong on the BTC ratio during dumps.
Do you guys feel it?

>>29983765
I've been feeling it for 5 years desu

>>29983765
I feel myself getting priced out and want it to come back down to where it was 24 hours ago

>>29983318
kek, no way!

>>29979772
this guy is a nigger

I'm using Monero Ocean but not XMRIG and I don't have any problem. It's not a problem at the pool's end at least.

Try restarting or something. Perhaps the algorithm sorting in xmrig is bugging out and fetching wrong blocks

>>29983765
>Do you guys feel it?

There is definitely an increased buzz around XMR lately....better strap in just in case.

>>29979772
this guy is cringe and a nigger. he has the same cringe vocal patters as that mulatto freak "Vegan Gains".

Is Exodus safe? Obviously not as safe as a cold wallet, but is it as good as the GUI wallet?

>suicide stack still doesn't feel like enough
how do i just set and forget?
all i can think about is how many other opportunities to accumulate i've missed chasing pump and dumps
i cannot sleep and i want it to stop

>>29984042
>this guy is cringe and a nigger. he has the same cringe vocal patters as that mulatto freak "Vegan Gains".

Monegro might not be for you then.

>>29984316
monero is the White man's currency. fuck off nonWhite.

anyone got some nice high res xmr wallpapers?

>>29983904
Can people please stop with this meme, the ratio is in the fucking 400k sats, about -90% from ATH.
Why would anyone want it to go lower? Please stop measuring your gains in fiat monopoly money.

>>29984276
no

>>29983962
Leave the Monero general dude. There are plenty of threads on /biz/ where you can be racist.

>>29983962
Look I know you want to fud to keep prices low and I can't stop you from doing so. But is it truly worth muddying the thread with lots of low quality posts? Monero general tends to have a good atmosphere. It would be sad if we threw that away. The fudding Will have limited effect anyway. The big interest is coming from twitter, youtube and reddit after all. Not biz.

>>29983990
I've restarted a few times. Not sure when this problem started. Getting this issue on xmrfast.

>>29984579
stop taking these threads so seriously.

>>29984579
sounds like a kid from his posts t.bh. "what does bullish mean" lmfao
janny please do your job and ban children

>>29984379
>monero is the White man's currency. fuck off nonWhite.

LOL U MAD

ATTENTION IMPERIALISTS

I JUST BOUGHT AN [UNKNOWN AMOUNT] OF MONERO

>>29984379
>white man's currency
>biggest userbase is drug dealers and money launderers
hmm

>>29984752
What are you actually mining? RandomX algorithm or something else and trading it for XMR? RandomX should work.

>>29984433
Okay, I'm probably going to just use it for trading shitcoins for Monero then

>>29984404

Yeah but isn't that because bitcoin did a parabolic jump and monero didn't? I mean why should we do that too? There isn't much speculation on monero. And if bitcoin dumps we're dumping harder than bitcoin

>>29984507
>>29984579
like putting out a fire with gasoline kek

>>29984969
exchange fees are also incredibly high. use non custodial ones like changenow.io

>>29977829
NAND flash lasts about 10-20 years.Bit errors can appear much quicker, so having multiple copies, zipped with redundancy enabeld or both is a good idea.

>>29984404
>Why would anyone want it to go lower?
One last crab/dip for anons to load up. My personal goal will take me most of a year to accumulate buying from fiat at current prices.

>>29984855
RandomX. It has been working for some time, and xmrig doesn't show any issue, but the XMR pending value stopped increasing.

>>29984579
imagine taking a single thread on /biz/ too seriously. fuck off faggot.

>>29985055
>I mean why should we do that too?
Well it has a pretty similar supply and inflation rate at the moment, and it has had a parabolic pump just not to the magnitude of btc's. A lot of the interest in monero and altcoins in general is a direct result of the btc bubbles bringing money into the market which eventually flows into altcoins. And people tend to sell their altcoins to cover losses in their btc positions, or to buy btc when it starts to pump. So the goal is to outperform bitcoin otherwise you should just be holding bitcoin, or just buy xmr right before you intend to use it.

>>29984850
Money laundering is a white mans crime.

>>29984433

I'm a newbie, any reason for this?

>>29972478
I have an unknown amount of Firo that I mined during the bear market when ETH profitability was down. It's way better than Zcash, but I just don't see it going anywhere. It doesn't really do anything that Monero can't already do.

>>29986487
not open source

>>29983924
someone follow up with my question please thank you

>>29986487
Try to use a free (as in freedom) wallet as your main wallet

>>29940226
I'd suck dick for an unknown amount of monero. But I'm just a tranny.

>>29987729
based

>>29983962
yes. a based one. one that wants to evade taxes and not ask for handouts or welfare

> I am not an retard who will go for this shillers shit
>4ch is full of such genius traders and investors
my bnb is on julswap on holding, 54$ just for a week

>>29984507
N

>>29987987
Why do all these Indian swap websites look exactly the same? Are they just copy pastes?

>>29986440
white people launder money with Art and Paintings

>>29987729
spend an unknown amount of monero on a Bible and seek help

>>29983962
And he’s doing more for Monero than you ever will. Racism is elitist trickery designed to keep the common man poor and stupid, it’s working beautifully on you.

>>29988003
I

>>29988161
>anti-racism is elitist trickery designed to keep the common man poor and stupid, it’s working beautifully on you.
ftfy

>>29988313
Cope

>>29988119
>shilling muh jesus in a thread for a coin with the usecase of buying all sorts of non-christian things on the internet
:^)

new thread

>>29988744

new thread

>>29988744

new thread

>>29988744

>>29983318
This!