/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>29747373
Are you saying all of the stock market money AND BTC money will flow into alts?

Which alts then?

>>29747471
all of them. now is our time

Stimulus bill will pass today, everything will be green next week

>>29747373
>not owning every type of major asset classes
>not understanding that money is like energy: it doesn't get destroyed, it just transforms
>not realizing that nobody will stay in cash in this economic climate and the money must flow somewhere

>>29747647

This is a good point. I've been wondering myself whether a real crash is even possible. There's so much money in the system now...

>>29747647
This is a very basic and flawed understanding of money

Sure each dollar won’t be destroyed but its buying power will go to near zero. You can lose money

>>29747373
nah, it's just establishing a new base

>>29747823
You dont really lose money unless you hold USD or other fiat.

>>29747823
>Sure each dollar won’t be destroyed but its buying power will go to near zero. You can lose money
did you even read what I said, dipshit?
I said nobody will stay in cash in this economic climate. The money will flow back into assets. How the fuck do I lose money by holding every type of asset class?

>>29747647
What about EURO? Eurobros are also printing more money? Do you think there will also be a collapse of usd against other currencies or is it the collapse of the whole fiat system?

>>29749956
I don't care because as I said, 99% of my money is in assets. There is literally no reason ever to be in cash, no matter what economic climate.

>>29747373
Can't wait

>>29747471
Hahahahahahaha

tfw Biden will be blamed by all except the media and lemmings for the crash. The media and the dems will blame Trump but Boomers will blame Joe en mass for messing up their retirement.

>>29750459
Pretty dumb to blame either of them, this shitstorm has been brewing since 2009

>>29750802
Joe Biden has been in the Oval Office for 2/3 of that period

>>29750802
Biden was the Vice President in 2009

>>29747373
Is it literally going to be like last year March? I don't want to believe

Really sad that this thread is buried on a "business board". Fuck this board man. I want intellectual discussion. This board is a piece of shit and I hope these faggots lose everything and they will.

Someone tell me already, when is the crash and what are the odds that the stimulus checks are released and prevent it

>>29751796
Poojeets are looking for normies to offload their bags to

>>29751634
>>29751049
Since when have VPs had any real power?

>>29750802
Biden has already been Vice President for 8 years you stupid nigger

Ok bros, I hold some S&P500 ETFs and I've been seriously considering selling it at a $200 loss recently. What do?

>>29751946
It will pass the house at least, Senate is a tossup

>>29751946
The stimulus adds to the crash dude
Just find a chart of how many dollars have ever been printed up to present day and youll see it, big ole pump n dump

>>29747373
Nah, it'll be another flash crash with another fed power grab reversing it in a matter of days. The decline of US will be slow and painful and it will not crash

>>29751985
This board is cancerous shit man. I love that they have no idea what the duck is going on right now. I called some dude a faggot today because he was like "did anyone else realize that all the stocks were down today? Amazon, palantir, Nak, tesla? Something is going on". What a worthless stupid faggot. His entire knowledge base is literally meme pump stocks. Has no idea what a bond yield is. These people are fucking sacks of worthless shit. Wastes of space. I want them to lose everything. Fucking normies. Pathetic know nothing loser faggots meme rushing into stocks.

You know they say 30% of new investors are black or brown, with less than $2000 in a portfolio, who score a 1.4 out of 5 on economic knowledge, who are rated as "particularly low" as a knowledge base. Fuck that shit man.

Meanwhile the fed and the government is rigging every aspect of the fucking market and clown world and it makes no fucking sense. People who research fundamentals and put the work in an read financial statements are sitting here with no fucking gains.

>>29749673
>hold every type of major asset class
>value drains from major classes to several specific minor classes
>???
>profit

>>29752498
That's my strategy. I'm pretty well diversified. Physical gold and silver. Mining stocks, commodities, international stocks, US stocks, and GDX. Uranium play as well. Guess I don't have any other choice than to ride it out.

>>29752091
Just because more money has been printed recently doesn't imply it causes a dump. All reason points to it causing a pump (even if artificial). The point is to know if it's safest to be in stocks or pm now

>>29747573
You know damn well they're gonna keep kicking the can till the 14th. Don't kid yourself.

>>29752353
>People who research fundamentals and put the work in an read financial statements are sitting here with no fucking gains.

Dude just claim gender dysphoria for maxgibs then buy BTC

>>29747373
Only so the big firms can buy up Bitcoin on the cheap

>>29752353
>Fundamentals
Jewish tricks that boomers fell for. As we've seen the past year unfold it has been proven there were never fundamentals. Ride the clown wave.

>>29752801

Precious metals are dogshit, why do they keep getting shilled? How has gold been performing the last 6 months? Inflation does NOT mean gold goes up. Inflation means high beta high leverage garbage stocks go up in a chase for the most yield. (HIGH BETA UP +13% YTD VS GOLD DOWN -7.5%)

GOLD WORKS IN ONLY 1 ENVIRONMENT: LOW GROWTH + HIGH INFLATION.

>>29747471
which alt is known for being a tax haven?

>>29752044
Since when have Presidents had power?

>>29753073
>LOW GROWTH + HIGH INFLATION.

I'm a retard but I thought that was the stage we're in now. So let's assume the stimulus is delayed enough and we expect stocks to crash. Where are you putting your money?

>>29753073
>>29753426

why would anyone need "precious" metals? aren't they only valuable for same reason bitcoin is valuable?

as long as dow jones is above 30k, all opinions about /mUHcRaSH/ are pure bullshit

sage

>>29753505
Yes, but until crypto stabilizes in price is seen as a risky asset, and so it moves with stocks rather than against them, meaning they move against pm. I'm holding crypto for entirely different reasons not related to these economic events. What I want to know is, expecting a crash, what are you holding with your non-crypto cash. If you aren't diversified, this discussion is not for you. Stop detailing the discussion and answer my fucking question you dumb fucking faggot

>>29753426

No, it was the time period pre-covid into early covid.

Right now we are seeing HIGH GROWTH. EARNINGS UP, GDP UP, PMIs UP. CONSUMER CONFIDENCE UP

CONSUMERS HAVE RECORD SAVINGS WAITING TO BE SPENT WHEN THE US REOPENS. ALSO STIMULUS INCOMING = MEGA HIGH GROWTH (fueled mostly by inflation)

= EQUITIES UP GOLD DOWN

I don’t expect stocks to crash cause I’m not a CNN/CNBC/Jim Cramer monkey. INFLATION/REFLATION is the trade for at least the next quarter

Stock market and bitcoin are full of retail investors who need USD to live. You need dollars to fight inflation since goods and services cost dollars. What good is hedging inflation with bitcoin when you're just watching prices increase?

>>29754026
>You need dollars to fight inflation
interesting, the people who actually control printing of dollars say they're printing more to "fight deflation"

>>29751049
>>29751634
lmao Trump was literally just prez and jacked up the debt for a worthless tax cut but you conservative bootlickers are making sure we know dementia joe is def to blame

i hope to see a big dump, i want to buy more avax

>>29754026
yes you need dollars to fight inflation. lots of them. MORE DOLLARS MORE DOLLARS MORE DOLLARS MORE DOLLARS

>>29747373
nothing is going to happen
nothing ever happens

>>29753979
>Right now we are seeing HIGH GROWTH. EARNINGS UP, GDP UP, PMIs UP. CONSUMER CONFIDENCE UP
>CONSUMERS HAVE RECORD SAVINGS WAITING TO BE SPENT WHEN THE US REOPENS. ALSO STIMULUS INCOMING = MEGA HIGH GROWTH (fueled mostly by inflation)

Again, I'm a retard, but it seems everything you listed here is only up as a result of inflation. I assumed you had an inflation-independent indicator to measure growth. But I guess I agree that the reopening points to high growth.

But again, I'm not saying stocks will crash. I'm saying ASSUMING THEY ARE GOING TO CRASH, WHERE ARE YOU PUTTING YOUR MONEY?

>>29754151
>muh debt
Where have you been for the past 20 years?

>>29754026
>You need dollars to fight inflation

Okay, hold your dollars. We'll be elsewhere

>>29752724
>commodities
meaning what exactly? what did you buy

>>29747573
They were taking about the second stimulus bill in July 2020. It’s never going to pass.

>>29750802
I know but it will be kino to watch, he will be held in universal contempt before the end of his first year in office

So hodl?

>>29754564
>debt policy isnt shorthand for bad fiscal policy in general
>cutting the governments income is irrelevant

>>29752724
>Physical gold and silver. Mining stocks,
lmaoooo

>>29754500

>Again, I'm a retard, but it seems everything you listed here is only up as a result of inflation.

You’re partly wrong, the dollar has tanked but it’s not the only reason equities are up

The growth was a result of mean reversion, that’s how rate of change works.

>covid happens
>stocks go down, growth down (gold went up first half of covid btw)
>then covid ends
>stocks go up, growth up, companies have shit easy comps to beat from covid times (gold down btw)

Go look at macro data, growth exists. Earnings season has been phenomenal this season

>ASSUMING THEY ARE GOING TO CRASH, WHERE ARE YOU PUTTING YOUR MONEY?

Long bonds long USD if you’re betting on deflation. But if you look at both bonds and dollars you’ll see they’re getting wrecked... cause we’re in the opposite of deflation or ((((muh crash))))

Intergalactic? Planetary.

>>29747723
“Too big to fail” does not exist

>>29753505

gold/silver/platinum have a ton of applications on the industrial side of things, which give them value. for example, silver has the highest electrical and thermal conductivity of any metal in existence, that makes it incredibly useful in the modern world. if it was 10x as plentiful, it would be used even more widely. the price would be lower, due to being less scarce, but it would be just as useful.

bitcoin has no applications, it's a ledger entry in a public database, much closer in properties to a central bank ledger entry than a physical metal.

>>29755044
Thank you

>>29752062
You need to determine what your strategy is / what you want it to be and stick to it. Are you a trader? If so you should have a plan in place. Or if like most people your strategy is buy and hold, you should buy more to bring your average cost down. Always keep cash on hand for this type of scenario in a buy and hold strategy.

Just my two cents

>>29747373
PPT buying sp500 futures and bond futures to protect the options structure of sp500

>>29750192
so I have to invest in boomer coins or stocks of boomer coins, ugh

>>29752353
>People who research fundamentals and put the work in an read financial statements are sitting here with no fucking gains.
Ahahaha you're so salty. Stop it with the value investing and buy Tesla already. Ask your uber driver what he invests in amd then buy that. You're doing it wrong.

>>29753979
>CONSUMERS HAVE RECORD SAVINGS WAITING TO BE SPENT
Do you not realize that's dangerous? If supply cant keep up with demand then we'll see some real inflation, and of course it can't because we have 10x the monetary base now with reduced production capacity.

>>29747471
Don't forget the bond market. Yes, and the housing market as well

>>29752062
What is the point of buying it in the first place if you are going to sell it soon after?

>>29756974
Yes, but you miss the point. Pent up demand, inflation, etc. That all leads to an increase in the stock market valuations, not a crash.

>>29747471

All the eth killers will have their day.
Matic / ftm /dot /avax /ada

>>29755919
>>29757372
Well, I want to buy and hold but since I'm from the UK, now I'm losing even if it goes up because dollar is such a piece of shit kek

>>29755009
yeah? why?

BUY THE FUCKING DIP

>>29747471
DOGE will win

>>29747373
>> Stock market dump
Jpow has entered the chat.
Jpow has a money printer.
Money printer go BRRRRT.
The stock market will never crash under Jpows watch, sorry bud.

X3 FOR A MONTH, THAT IS ABOUT BOMB ENQ

>these faggotsidiots can’t realize it and still try to mine their trash shitcoins
>I am not a tard who trusts this shit
>multiminer that is future for everybody

>>29754683
Executive order

>>29747647
>money
>imagine thinking inflated asset valuations are money
>imagine thinking these inflated valuations aren't completely destroyed in a deflationary crash
It's a game a musical chairs freindo. Right now there are MANY more players (valuation) than there are chairs (dollars). When the music stops, there will be a LOT of people holding the bag because they didn't get a chair.

>>29753073
Gold is gold. I don’t consider it an investment like some other anons, but it’s always going to be worth its weight in gold (lol). Has been that way since the dawn of time.

>>29752724
It's a good strat. Just have dry powder on the side to buy the fire sale on even more commodity producers. Everything will take a hit, even your good picks, in the short term.

>>29753073
This is peak zoomer. Doesn't understand the market anipulation of PMs to shore up fiat confidence and also unwind leverage as we approach Basel III revaluation at the end of June. Central banks are buying gold, you faggot, not crypto. Do what they do, not what they say.

>>29759133
why would gold prices go down if it was getting bought enmasse? Or are you also claiming there's market manipulation for the price of gold as well?

>>29747647
can you expand on that? why does it flow elsewhere? why wouldn't people just cash out and call it a day?

>>29759239
How retarded are you nigger?

>>29754151
Liberals are a mental disorder

BTC looks to be flagging down, now in the first impulse of another rising wedge formation. Even if we ignore the market events going on right now in the bigger markets, it looks like the steam has run out on this run for now and BTC is correcting. Overlay the broader market issues and it could correct further than it would have otherwise. Whether people want to admit it or not, one of the things that was making corporate treasurers consider BTC for their balance sheet was due to yields. Once they start rising, then the conversation changes. Go back to that tweet from Elon about the negative real yields. Now, we know that real yields are even more steeply negative than the official numbers, but corporates go with the official. We'll see how this plays out and if it impedes adoption at this time.

>>29750802
The stock market is a speculative market at this point. The current executive administration and their promised actions 100% have immediate impact.

>>29759133
Play all sides.

>>29759239
There are many more ounces of paper gold and silver than there are physical ounces. Many of the bars sitting in COMEX or LBMA or even in trust have multiple claims against them. If I can just "create" paper gold and silver out of thin air with derivatives like futures contracts and sell them into the market, I can drive the price down easily, even if supply of physical against demand would warrant a much higher price. Go look at JPM's history of metals manipulations. It's not conspiracy, it's news They paid a billion dollar fine last year for spoofing and have had several of their traders indicted. It was so egregious that even the friendly CFTC had to step in.

At the end of the day, 2020 had record deliveries and 2021 is even more extreme. There is a global rush to grab as much physical metal as possible at as low of a manipulated price as possible and to use the low price to unwind as much of these derivative plays as possible to reach Basel III compliance. Gold is going to be a full fledged tier 1 asset for central banks as of June 28, meaning it is on par with US treasuries.

Anyone getting spooked on metals due to paper price is getting jewed out of their opportunity to accumulate physical metals before price goes apeshit in the coming years. DO WHAT THEY DO.

>>29759996
I do. But my PM holdings are 5 times my crypto. Risk vs reward, this feels evenly balanced.

>>29760081
So move to New Zealand?

>>29750459
If people can blame Trump for a virus that spread during his presidency, I can 100% blame Biden for a failing economy/market crash. Also, don't assume hating Biden is only a boomer thing, either. That is down right retarded. half the country hates him. Zoomer to boomer and in between.

>>29759476
Go back to /pol you fucking faggots. I’m not here to read your faceberg memes

>>29759239
>Or are you also claiming there's market manipulation for the price of gold as well?
lmfao this has to be b8

>>29752353
kys nigger, and go back

>>29754151

>We're doomed because we were only 19 trillion dollars in the hole and now we're 26 trillion in! Oh noes!

Your next move will be to say "muh financial crisis" as if Obama did anything but sign whatever his Fed masters wanted

>>29760505
lib says some dumb shit
non lib points out the absurdity
>fuck off non lib!
go back to wsb

>>29758020
Strategize your time horizon. If you're planning on holding for at least one year this temporary loss is so unimportant. You're probably better off not even looking at the prices, like ever. You're quite literally in the safest ETF you could possibly be in, you just need to resolve to hold long enough. And this is at least 50% of the problem with investing or at least trading: disconnect your emotions from them. I think it's damn near impossible but I think it should be the #1 or #2 skill that you should focus on. Good luck

>>29747373
even better: the outflux of people selling btc for usd will prop up the stock market, this is delicious

>>29760682
Used the plural, you bitch. Like I said, I’m not here for boomer trumptards vs libshits. You’re a massive faggot too.

>>29758583
can someone please tell me whats up with shit lke this? the retardation is honestly unfathomable, these posts i see on here are the worst thing you could do for anything that you're shilling. I get a kick out of them but at the same time they disgust me

BLEASE ELON COULD YOU TELL HEDGEFUND FRIENDS TO BUY IN SO WE CAN DEFEAT EBBIL BILLIONAIRES??

>>29760628
no i always hide scamcoins and pmg threads

ELON BLEEASE!!!

>>29759359
what do they do once they cash out? they probably won't be sitting on it.

>>29760081
thanks for an actual answer, anon

>>29758559
daddy

>>29761196
lol
Yes, the precious metal markets are manipulated to holy hell.

>>29747573
Dude they’re talking about adding a UBI child tax credit of 14k a year holy shit, fear in the markets could be March 2020 levels and currencies are going to be insane.

>>29759359
Because what people want is yield. They don't want to hold the government's shitcoin. Only retards and poor people hoard cash.
Also institutional investors are given cash by people to INVEST, not to sit on it. They literally can't sit on $ because people would simply withdraw the money from their funds. You don't need a hedge fund or a mutual fund to do the same thing that you can do while charging you a fee. The system is built on money being invested, not hoarded.

The second reason is that in absolutely every economic scenario there are assets that will offer you a yield. (I already posted the pic). If you hold all types of assets, money will just move from one type to another. Some will go down, but others will rise. Sure there are periods where institutional investors sit in cash, but this is extremely temporary while they plan the next move. That's when normies shit themselves and sell like retards while the sharks and whales wait for the opportunity to buy cheaper.

>not a crypto dump.

>>29760081
>Gold is going to be a full fledged tier 1 asset for central banks as of June 28

Why 28th anon?

>>29753094
Monero

>>29753584
30k is just a meaningless number

It can go to 100k if we print enough money

>>29758553
Stay in your containment threads please

>>29752091
we went from 4 trillion to 18 trillion on the M1 it is horrifying.

>>29758559
market is getting more stressed over time
it's not a strategy you can run forever
expect a sudden crash in the upcoming months, either up or down

>>29761838
o look at the Basel III accords from 2019. There are a host of items that central banks and major banks need to be compliant on. Some of these regulations are Jan 1, 2022, but the gold reclass and revaluation is set by Basel III at June 28. That's when central banks can move gold from tier 3 to tier 1 and instead of only being able to recognize 50% of its fair value on their balance sheet, they can recognize 100%. For decades, they have only been able to recognize 50% for reserves, which is why many central banks sold their gold or leased it out to put treasuries and other assets in their reserves that they could benefit from the full value of. Now, many will be calling in their leased gold and have been busy buying it over the last few years. You've probably come across stories of China and Russia buying up gold over the years, they were ahead of the curve toward de-deollarization. But with Basel III, it put all central banks in that market to get as much as they could in a short period of time. That's really when the gold bull market started back in 2019.

I'm not saying that gold and silver are going to moon June 28. They could. But what I'm saying is that we are transitioning to a new paradigm as the Bretton Woods II system of dollar reserve currency status is coming to its end. It may be orderly or disorderly. It may be 2021 or 2024. There is much that can happen, but we are for sure moving in that direction. So I am positioning for that, because the dollar will not handle this change well, even if it's an orderly transition. Ultimately, I'd rather be buying the same thing the central banks are buying, because they have a hand in what is to come and I will do as they do, not what they say.

>>29759568
Zoom out retard. Primary trend is up and will continue to be up. Ah yes let us abandon an investment that has delivered 200% average annual returns for the past 12 years and instead get 1% returns on a highly inflationary fiat.

>>29762755
I never said abandon it. I said that it looks like we are flagging down. We'll find support at some point, but I'm not buying back in quite yet. I of course have my core position in cold storage and I don't touch it. But as far as trend swinging goes, I'm not quite a buyer yet. Maybe I'm wrong, but that volume has me worried.

>>29749673
Not sure what you mean with "every asset class". But in 2008-2010 everything from the stock market to real estate crashed.

>>29759476
Sure. And so are Trump tards. That dude is total conartist.

>>29762671
Thank you based Anon,
here in serbia one cannot buy physical silver for 11 months now, dealers say theres no supply

>>29747471
Buy Vixy calls at 18$ or higher

>>29763884
Godspeed, anon. It's the price. There is silver to be had, but not that the paper price. That may impact import/exports to other countries making it unavailable at all as you have found. When they decide or are forced to take their hands off the scale for PMs, then it will be available in many places again...but the price will be much higher. The next few years are going to bumpy. Stay safe.

>>29760446

people blame Trump for not taking it seriously and acting like an asshat about it.

>>29764520
And to reiterate, it's like any country that may have price control ceilings on items. You find these items harder to find or always out of stock. The paper price is basically acting as a price ceiling on gold and silver and at this time it is causing inventory to dry up as no one wants to part with it at spot. We can still get it in the US, but variety of inventory is much less than before nd premiums much higher. The physical market is picking up and the price ceiling no longer even closely resembles what the real price is. Governments are getting what they want, because they always do, but the average person is getting locked out. That's what happens in very distorted markets of all kinds with rice controls and the fact that gold and silver are following in that model should tell everyone that this market is heavily manipulated.

>>29752353
dumb nigger

>>29764626
Oh look it's reddit

>>29764895
Thanks m8,
I am long time lurker never posting, but feeling lucky to read b iz tards of your caliber, am honored to talk to you Sire, May the Force be with You ! :)

>>29753094
Most likely monero possibly Ghost as well

>>29766170
when I say long time I mean 2008-9

>>29754151
Obama bailed out the Jew banks retard. Trump bailed out the US citizen. Both are bad but one is significantly worse than the other

>>29762671
>buying the same thing the central banks are buying
how could I verify that they are actually buying gold?

>>29761692
>create relatively huge incentive to have as many children as possible
>only people that see a net gain from this incentive are people who are barely functional members of society, just smart enough to stay out of prison
>waves of ignorant and materialistic people rise from the ghettos
>too stupid to fight for an abstract concept such as freedom
>happy to mindlessly consume next product with their paycheck they take from same corps
>system is now running optimally with a small minority of high-IQ 1% running things while the 99%’s IQ has dropped by multiple standard deviations
>alienation in 99% as high-IQ individual reaches ATH
>high-IQ peoples begin to an-hero at record pace as the veil is lifted and it becomes easily seen that life is largely without meaning
>this all has already been happening for decades

>>29762671
>>29766549
>buying the same thing the central banks are buying

Yes there is the possibility that they will switch back to some kind of gold backed currency or even gold backed cryptocurrency.

But what do you think happens with the gold you own? It will just get nearly worthless over night. They will just forbid gold ownership globally and you will either be forces to give it away for a predefined price, which of course will be way less than you expect.
You could hide it for sure but they will certainly come looking for it, like the Nazis did already.
History repeats itself. Ownership of gold in higher amounts than jewellies was already forbidden in many countries and for many decades.

>>29747471
The 3 that are most easily accessible by normies.
Ltc, eth, bch

>>29747647
money gets destroyed when debts are repaid
some investments can go to zero and all the money that was in them get wiped out

>>29760728
Thanks a lot, I really appreciate your advice.

>>29763461
And in 2011 it was back where it left off before the crash. Thanks for proving my point that money doesn't leave the market for long.

>>29766378
>>29766170
should probably study financing and economics in the meantime. going by a few insightful posts alone can create large chasms of knowledge gaps.

>>29767827
Alice owes Bob $1000.
Pays Bob.
Bob now has $1000

The only way money gets destroyed is when the Fed is selling assets that it previously bought. In no other scenario money gets destroyed in the regular economy. Even when you pay a bank loan back, the money that you initially borrowed is out there in the economy and when you repay the banks, their reserves will increase and they will simply give other loans to someone else.

>>29759239
Holy shit look at this cretin
incredible

>>29768191
ty for interest, am too old to study all, would have been better if I just installed one of the first btc miners on my geforce4 then, my brother told wasnt delighted so I listened to him, now I am stacklet

>>29769406
it's okay. opportunity tends to rear its head when you least expect it. just keep lurking, keep an open mind and an even wider eye. ygmi anon.

>>29767092
jesus christ

>>29770439
ty bro, you are my special GTAutismo friends, will never made it without b/iz

>>29747373
its a beartrap, people are de-risking out of fear of a second covid dip (march 2020). once they realize we're not having a repeat black swan, markets will skyrocket.

Imagine sitting there holding UVXY or SQQQ today.

>>29755889
>it's a ledger entry in a public database, much closer in properties to a central bank ledger entry than a physical metal.
Bitcoins ledger like you said is public and the exact opposite of a bank ledger that you cannot audit. Physical precious metals I agree. But when you have a shit ton of fiat, its best to hedge both. The name of the game here is not to have USD.

>im so confident holding a shitcoin sustained by literal farms of chink's computers to protect against the "usd inflation"

>stock market take down bitcoin
false. It's the bond market.

>>29771946
kek I love these. Biggest fucking sell signal ever

>>29747373
>yes, trillions of dollars will be wiped out like nothing in this economy

do you fucking retards even listen to yourselves?

>>29754026
>You need dollars to fight inflation
What sort of retardation is this? Higher supply of money means higher price of goods which means inflation.

>what good is hedging against inflation with btc
If the dollar inflates while btc deflates and you hold the latter you'll have more purchasing power of the former.

>>29771946
As opposed to holding an inflationary shitcoin printed by kike bankers on a daily basis to ''stimulate'' the economy?

>>29771946
these people are putting at most $10 a week on btc, they don't matter a single bit. majority of population still doesn't realize you can buy fractions of btc

Bump

>>29747373
Almost, but not the whole story. Commodities are booming, bond yields mooning, sucking air from the stock market , and crypto is like the cat house of Wall Street, everybody goes there, but they prefer to keep quiet about it. If there's money to be made in commodities and bonds, money will move there. Stocks can tell lies, but Bonds don't. Bond yields rising, is the market calling Powell's bluff. At some point, he will either go for YCC, and the dollar is toast, or raise rates, and the debt market is toast. Interesting to see how it's gonna play out.

>>29747373
tl;dr xrp moons

>>29775012
As opposed to holding a shitcoin based on nothing that depends on chinks mining nothing vs a currency you are forced to use to pay taxes with, buy anything relevant and obey laws enforced by police and army paid in said currency.

This market is dead. You have Joe Biden and the Democrats to thank.

>>29777985
So at one hand you have a inflation-proof currency not dependent on any single entity to work - if chinks stopped mining someone would just take their place -, can be controlled and secured without the need for a bank and is growing in adoption organically as opposed to forcefully.
Versus colored paper inflated every year, controlled by a single entity and backed by politician's honesty, that's only used because people are forced to use it?

Wow, senpai. You really have a killer investment there. Just sold all my stocks and crypto to buy dollar.

>>29747647
If money was like energy , rice farmers , fruit pickers , and blue collar workers would be societies elite.

>>29747373
Fed goes Brrrr

>>29752353
Based and Agreed. Fuck everyone on this board

>>29776815
Actually this.
They have to sacrifice one of the two. And you guys should get ready for either outcome, since its basically a 50/50 chance now.

What is a bond, how do i buy it, how do i make money off it, and can i buy them any time

Choose an asset that will last 100 years.

>>29776815
wait isnt bond yielding rising because no one has any interest in bonds? bond % rises inversely to interest in bonds, correct?

>>29755889

Only 10-15% of gold/silver mined is used in practical applications like this.

>>29752353
>t. seething mitwit

>>29753094
MONERO IS IT

>>29767743
coinbase coins.
buy nucypher, its still low, ignore tranny devs

>>29755889
within our lifetimes someone will mine an asteroid containing precious metals. scarcity is a lie, and won't be able to be covered up when industry moves to space.

>>29747471
why do you think there will even be an alt season lol

>>29752353
this is the type of guy who takes warren buffet quotes seriously

>>29749956
yes the european central bank is printing money, lots of it, its the only thing keeping europe alive atm during corona.
The currency is stable though, never lost the trust in a currency I can use in all of western europe

I just can't
Fuck this shit, i just can't do it anymore.
I'm unironically out of fucks to give.
All this guesswork and graphs and estimates and ReSeaRcH and muh inflation and NO, muh deflation and bitcoin to 1 mil NO, to 0 and stonks and bonds and yields and FUCK. THIS. SHIT.
I've bought it all. I've got BTC, ETH, LTC, GRT, i've got PLTR, I've got Allworld gobblehead Boomer indexes, i've got silver LITERALLY UP IN FUCKING SWITZERLAND, i've got some GME left over for good luck after getting in at 30 and selling most at 300, ive got bay horse fucking silver and i don't even know fucking anything about it except there's a guy in a hat, i've got like 100k in bonds and shitty cash i've got a fucking house and some rental property.
It's been a long fucking road let me tell you AND I'M. FUCKING. DONE. I'mma ride this bitch for 20 years and i don't give a fuck anymore about burrys and cubans and schiffs and satoshis and willempoops. I'm not selling shit, i'm done, i'm prepared for financial fucking winter motherfuckers, see you on the other side in 2035.
I'm goin skiing.

>>29782511
>bank is printing money, lots of it
so they're literally stealing the last little value my remaining savings have right out of my wallet and bank account without giving ANY of the new money to me
>The currency is stable though, never lost the trust in a currency I can use in all of western europe
MY MONEY IS LITERALLY BEING STOLEN AND SIPHONED OFF, EMBEZZLED, BY HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS

>>29749956
>or is it the collapse of the whole fiat system
Iceland is not printing to speak of (central bank has bought 1% of the originally proposed amount of government debt) and it doesnt look like such buys are needed. and since its mainly backed by aluminium and fish who knows if the codcoin will be the stable coin when everyone else collapses!

>>29771946
If you needed any confirmation to sell, this is it

>>29775362
>majority of population still doesn't realize you can buy fractions of btc

Holy fuck.

>>29753505
Are you fucking retarded? Do you know how many industries rely on these metals?

>>29779928
not sure when this was written but trezor and ledger (ledger is dog shit do not buy) both support monero

>>29764626
He tried. You libshit niggers made it political by accusing him at the outset of racism when he shutdown boarders before everyone else did. He even left the job the governors and you niggers still found ways to blame Trump. You stupid diseased-brained loq-IQ retards will get what you deserve, bootlicker. Get fucked, libtard.

>>29767092
What if the high IQ internet money billionaire neets would pool together and genocide the normies?

>>29747373
>stock market dump taking down BTC, not a crypto dump
i fucking knew it. the reason i know this is because my group of friends are all buying crypto right now. when that is happening we are typically ATLEAST crabbing if not slightly pumping

>>29752724
>no bitcoin
ngmi
I pretty much have the same stuff other than that.

>>29747471
very obviously LINK & XRP

>>29750192
>There is literally no reason ever to be in cash, no matter what economic climate
Brainlet take, there is a reason if rates are very high.

>>29761989
>>29766177
>>29781577
So how does it happen? If I want to evade taxes with monero, how can I cash out it into fiat to buy things without getting caught? If it's a large sum let's say 6 figs

>>29747373
So tired of all you retards with your stupid fucking predictions based on nothing with the only purpose of stroking your ego

>>29764626

>>29752353
Fuck you, you pretentios niggerfaggot.
Well now that that is settled always do the opposite of what /biz/ says.

if you're confused this article lays it out pretty well the bear viewpoints, whether it's going to be a deflation -> inflation cycle or straight to inflation and then possibly hyperinflation. the mainstream majority consensus seems to be a continuing bull market; being a bear is still contrarian

https://www.forbes.com/sites/investor/2020/06/10/will-there-be-deflation-or-inflation-in-the-post-coronavirus-world/?sh=bf3ac956f189

>>29776815
>At some point, he will either go for YCC, and the dollar is toast, or raise rates, and the debt market is toast.

I keep hearing this, can someone explain for a brainlet? Why would ruining the dollar ever being considered over ruining the debt market? That just means mass defaults right? Just raise rates they have to.

>>29783764
Based. YGMI.

>>29789779
>50% in cash
>june 2020

definitely not happening. No one with a brain is holding that much cash anymore

>>29750192
>cash is low volatiltiy
what

>>29758854
cash is only worth it if you can time the top near perfect. But I'm thinking it's going to be the same, deflationary crash in nominal and real terms. USD moon if you time it perfect or you're patient missing out on gains.
if stocks crash upwards (down in real terms) due to hyperinflation we've got more things to worry about like the end of the world than my bags.

>>29747471
FTM, GRT, BNB, UNI, and LINK

>>29789956
i went 70% in crypto in march 2020. pulled out in january.
i'm mainly in stablecoins/cash and don't know where to reallocate.

>>29783764
Based anon is covered.
Have fun.

>>29790592
Smart. Solid stocks and PM. I'm personally in corona testing/biomed and gold mining stocks. I won't touch crypto because in a rapid inflation scenario that will be the first people pull from. Hoping to get on the silver train

>>29789788
He already did....

>>29783764
I can't wait until things go south because there will be a mass protest of rent and you landlord parasites will be the first to go.

>>29791044
>in a rapid inflation scenario that will be the first people pull from
Kek, enjoy your shiny rocks.

I love a market crash,
It's such a beautiful sight.
I love to feel the losses on my face,
Taste the salt on my lips,
In the pinkjak shadow.

>>29749956
Hold Polish Złoty
simple as

>>29750459
yeah just like in history obongo was blamed for the housing crash

>>29791658
The Zloty is basically tied to the Euro.

>>29753505
They're real. They're tangible. They're rare. They're very hard to mine. They are useful in many different industries. All of which creates real value. We're not even considering the "beauty" aspect.

>>29751796
That's why I hit /biz/ with a lot of filters. I can never get 100% of this crap out of the way, but I average at about 100 hidden threads

>>29749956
it's a race to the bottom. us europoors are going to lose too, but burgerfags are going to be hit harder mid-term because they're used to having the global reserve currency.
it's not about winning anymore. it's about losing the least.

>>29758582
good 1

>>29747373
>1D chart is red
>It's ogre

>>29747573
>0.03% of the GPD mostly distributed to drug addicts, niggers and consoomers are going to pump stocks

>>29747823
>He thinks money is his locally enforced currency unit
Ngmi

>>29783764
Fucking based

>>29767827
Wrong you idiot money gets destroyed when debts are defaulted. Are you stupid or stupid?

>>29760081
Good post.

>>29747471
If 2017 was any indicator alts will get absolutely fucked anon
90% of alts won't even exist after the next crash, get your fucking money and get the fuck out if things start going deep red.

>>29747573
HAHAHA POINT OF THIS FAGGOT AND LAUGH! HE ACTUUUUUALLY THINKS THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO PASS SOMETHING IN A REASONABLE TIME THAT BENEFITS PEOPLE LOLOLOLOL

>>29788625
Shhhh don't let the goyim know

>>29752062
buy more. index funds are buy and hold. never sell

>>29783764
See you on the other side, brother.

>>29783764
You IDIOT! you left out the only asset that is going to actually save your ass: XMR

>>29751677
god i hope so, 4k BTC? sign me the fuck up. FLAHS SALE LET'S GO

>>29796026
did DeFi exist in 2017?

>>29788900
I want to know this as well
Can I just wash my entire net worth in a single stack of Monero? How do I offramp from there?

>>29789783
Mass defaults on SOVEREIGN DEBT. This little bunny hill we just had this week already skullfucked the turkish Lira and the Rand, more to follow. When most debt is tied, one way or another the the US rates, raising rates is a ice bucket challenge on steroids for Emerging markets, who got gangraped this week, worse since March 2020 , and triggers everybody to raise rates to keep their little shit currencies usable. Powell is saying "no fucking way", the Bond market is saying "oh yes siray". Besides, US rates also make the framework under private loans operate. Your credit card debt, your car loan, your mortgage. Raising rates would put a lot of folks under the bridge rn. And Powell keeps saying that until he gets full employment, he's not budging. That's a toss up.

Is it a good idea to just yolo all my shit into this or what?

Can I just immediately trade the BTC for other cryptos or cash out and just take the 10% hit?

>>29747471
ASKO + RBC hold for a year and ignore fud.

>>29752353
ok boomer

I keep seeing that interest rates are going up based on bond prices gong down, but are they really the same thing? or just closely correlated?

>>29780419
Last week, there was an auction that went like a led zeppelin. Treasury had to add a premium to get some people to bite. On the 2yr, mind you. The 10yr is screaming rn, which means that the market is saying "if you're paying us in toilet paper, give us more "

>>29790040
oh look, a dumbshit who doesn't know how to read a chart but has an opinion. Look again and rub those 2 braincells, maybe you'll figure it out.

>>29747373
reminder that the Dow has failed to keep up with inflation over the past 50 years

>>29797075
They are, by definition, inversely proportional.

>>29752062
You are not meant to sell S&P 500 after holding it for less than a year or more

>>29791165
Yikes, ok reddit lets unpack this one!

>>29797075
Bond price goes down, yield goes up.

>>29787016
>that ad
There's no way that advertisement WASN'T made as demoralization propaganda. Either that or it was unironically made by a board of soulless bugmen, whose office drama are literally the highpoint of their days. The second possibility is even more terrifying than the first.

Will YCC work? What could stop it>?

>>29791044
>gold mining stocks
why should I do that instead of buying just gold?

>>29787016
>The boss's jokes
Ad made by pic related

>>29760446
Yeah but you’re just being a spiteful little faggot and admiring it’s all about the feels....like...a..Democrat

>>29747471
you madman

>>29791658
kek. How's that swiss franc thing working out for you ?

all the money will go into Matic and ETH

>>29752318
Correct.

>>29747471
>which alts then?

Mark, anon
>team all real, available in 5 chains popular on the eth fucking network

>>29747373
is there a reason to pay off credit cards when this is happening?

>>29747373
So true get the fucking out

>>29796026
this is the reason why the market got stable coins or better still fucking rebasing coin where you hold a part of the market cap
>Benchmark protocol

>>29783764
lmao

I know nobody will help but I’m in a dire situation trying to get out of this homeless shelter full of shitskin psychos, any help will get me a motel and the hell out of this shithole thanks guys....
0x984382c2c22eDc389c0e5895A58d5e01d551D8D2

>>29783764
kek pasta worthy

>>29752044
since Cheney

>>29799375
Find some method of virtual prostitution. You don't need to show your face or have a cunt or do anything sexual, just entertain teenagers in some way and let them pay you via patreon.

>>29799375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ_SaryharI

skip to the 33 sec mark

Can someone tell me what’s going on? I m in Northern Europe and for 2 weeks I was reading research papers about sugar intake, why is everyone talking about doom? Is it because of Corona or Biden ? What happened?

>>29798924
sorry anon, it's all already going into cardano.

>>29801016
Whenever you see everyone panicking, talking about selling, just do the opposite. Inflation is a concern if not handled properly in the future, but it is not an immediate risk. There is a psychological component to inflation risk, yes, but /pol/ is by no means close to representing the mindset of the majority and average person.

TLDR invest in Bitcoin, some PMs. Stocks are safe for at least another 1-2 years absent something truly mind breaking

>>29749956
Associate of mine who perhaps works at certain financial institution that delves in the business of printing money has begun to accumulate various assets in a rapid manner.

>>29801016
Yanks are panicking about their Monopoly currency. Honestly just hold if you have growth stocks (AI & automation + fintech here).

>>29789956
I'm holding 70-80% cash at all times and I still managed over 60% return on my entire net worth since corona started with minimal downside risk

>>29762671
Thank you for actually educating us and not being like “lol retard go back to plefitt”. I will research what you said because it made a lot of sense to me, but could you tell me how you know the central bank is buying gold ?

>>29796839
>And Powell keeps saying that until he gets full employment, he's not budging. That's a toss up.
Nope. Raising rates would hurt the Democrat base (think Housing Crash 2.0). Not going to happen. If the banks keep dumping bonds, then JPOW will shut down Wells Fargo and force BofA to sell to Citi.

>>29801198
Isn’t Corona mind breaking? As in destroying jobs and limiting growth? I don’t want to be a doomsayer but if something bad was about to happen now is the perfect time.

>>29801344
Which assets ?

>>29796839
Lol. Maybe for USD currency EM bonds.
Local currency EM bonds will outperform Treasuries and US high yield

>>29747373

>>29802094
Would trigger an insolvency crisis too as corporations couldn’t afford refinancing high debt levels at higher rates.

>>29801735
When the dollar crisis happens, all other fiats will have fallen or on their way to falling.

>>29753426
Silver

>>29802196
Not that anon, but I’d get physical gold, silver, gun, ammo, and other useful tradables.

>>29747471
kek what the fuck is wrong with these alt moonboys

>>29752724
Just loaded up on carbon credit etfs. In 3 months everyone will be back at work polluting. The third world will be churning out the CO2 and cuck countries paying them for the privilege... and I'm going to ride that train.

>>29747573
Never going to pass with budget reconcillation.

Stocks are dumping into crypto since investors are scared as fuck about inflation. Basically everyone in my investment firm have been trading stocks out for gold/silver and crypto.

It's a literal paradigm shift.

>>29752062
Sell and buy physical assets like gold/silver. Invest in crypto long term.

>>29806372
Why?isn’t more profitable to short them since every thing would be cheaper later on?

>>29797520
>he hasnt had a cheeky afternoon in the sun with his troupe of young milf coworkers

>>29804466
In 1980, zombie corporations were 2%. Now, they're 20%. If Powell chickens out, he's gonna blow up the dollar to save these zombies.

>>29807000
Trips of truth. He will. Our politics are based on next election cycle, not long term benefit. Also, those corporations are politicians’ real constituents who fund their campaigns and pay them large speaking fees. So when presented with a choice of saving the dollar or saving the zombies and regulating any lost asset values, he’ll choose the latter. Besides, nation debt to gdp is over 130% now and will be 140% EOY. There’s no fiscal solution out of this debt without debasement. Bretton Woods II is an old man and ready to die.

>>29778500
Well said anon.

>>29762671
i'm looking at the basel iii documents dated 2019 (and the transitional one from 2017-2028) but i can't find anything that corroborates gold moving from tier 3 to 1. granted i'm financially retarded so maybe they're using obfuscatory or technical language, or maybe i'm looking at the wrong documents, but i'm not seeing it

>>29755244
Stop being such an antisemite.

>>29752353
>People who research fundamentals and put the work in an read financial statements are sitting here with no fucking gains.
you won't believe me but I've been doing this, and I'm up more than everyone who is buying shitcoins

pic related is real

>>29810183
what the fuck

>>29810298
people here don't get it, they just don't, there are so many good projects with fantastic teams out there, thinks like link
ever since I've seen what link did, i realized that's where the real money is
people who buy defi meme coins with anon devs should unironically kill themselves, same with anyone who uses binance
i never used binance and will continue to only buy good projects at ridiculously low mcaps
when i try to make threads i get 0-1 replies

>>29750459
They only allow crashes during republican administrations, dumbfuck.

>>29810505
that was extremely easy to find. nice shill job, gonna look into it

LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

>>29810908
it wasn't supposed to be hard to find, just don't want the same people i dislike to find it
see ya in those threads

>>29753017
based I started with 8k of chaturbate money into btc a couple years ago, sold last week bc obviously growing too fast and muh Elon Musk advice, bought ADA on wednesday, up to 37k now, I'm confident I'll keep making profits just by riding on the jew's back